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mzmingle
February 18th, 2011, 11:07 AM
Discuss your thoughts about the double typing!

I think that Chaoboo and Emboar shouldn't be fire/fighting. I think they should be plain Fire.

Dewott and Samurott should be Water/fighting (seriously, Samurott is Samurai + Otter. No fighting type?)

Servine and Serperior should be maybe Grass/dragon?

Also i think Deerling and Sawsbuck should change types according to season:
Summer - Fire
Autumn: Grass
Winter: Ice
Spring: Normal

What do you think?

ShaQuL
February 18th, 2011, 11:34 AM
hmmm... i guess emboar should be fighting but Samurott should be fighting or steel as well as water :/

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
February 18th, 2011, 03:29 PM
I say Oshawott should have evolved to Water/Steel too...
I don't think there is ever going to be a Grass/Dragon starter...

Gulpin
February 18th, 2011, 03:40 PM
Grass/Dragon would be too overpowered for a starter unless they added an Ice secondary as well. And Oshawott's evolutions should have been Water/Fighting and Tepig's evolutions should have been just Fire.

PlatinumDude
February 18th, 2011, 03:40 PM
I would've liked it if Samurott was Water/Fighting and Emboar to be Fire/Dark. I don't get why GF decided not to do that.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
February 18th, 2011, 03:44 PM
Emboar makes a good Fire/fighting though...
As for Samurrot...I don't know...

Forever
February 18th, 2011, 08:30 PM
So... we're discussing thoughts of types as a whole? Kay.

Well, I agree with mentioned about Deerling, but I think fire/fighting does suit Emboar's line. Pignite, especially, looks like a fighter, or a sumo wrestler, so by it being a fighting type it actually makes sense. As for Oshawott's, yeah would've been better as ice type but whatever. ;__;

One typing that should've been different though was Keldeo. I honestly don't get how water fits into its typing and should've stayed fighting, or at least got normal as a secondary typing at least. :x

Perrie ✿
February 19th, 2011, 06:52 AM
Serperior would never be Grass/Dragon, because there will never be Dragon/??? Starters simply because it would be OP.

I do agree with Tepig's evolutions being F/F even though people whined at the thought of more Fire/Fighting starters...

PiPVoda
February 19th, 2011, 11:08 AM
I say Oshawott should have evolved to Water/Steel too...
I don't think there is ever going to be a Grass/Dragon starter...
Really? Water steel? Hmmm, looks more water/fighting to me.
Grass/dragon would only happen, imo, if the other two types were able to balance it out. Serperior would have been a great grass/dragon.

Crimson5M
February 19th, 2011, 11:16 AM
The two alien things, Elgyem and Beeheyem just scream "Rock type" at me for some reason.

rocky505
February 19th, 2011, 11:29 AM
Cofagrigus should've been Ghost/Ground or Rock. It lives in the desert for god's sake.

Crimson5M
February 19th, 2011, 11:30 AM
Cofagrigus should've been Ghost/Ground or Rock. It lives in the desert for god's sake.

As do Sigilyph, Darumaka, and Cacnea in Gen 3.

Personally, I think Cofagrigus' type is fine. It looks like a Ghost type; nothing more.

Rai
February 19th, 2011, 12:29 PM
I think Accelgor should be Bug/Ghost or maybe Bug/Dark. I thought it was a ghost pokemon until I saw its page on Serebii. To me, it looks like it's about to do Dark Pulse or Shadow Ball.

King Gumball
February 19th, 2011, 02:18 PM
One typing that should've been different though was Keldeo. I honestly don't get how water fits into its typing and should've stayed fighting, or at least got normal as a secondary typing at least. :x

Kerudio can cross water though by ejecting water from it's hooves, appears at beautiful watersides, and runs through the oceans and rivers ;)

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Kerudio_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29

So I think water suits it quite well :) Plus it's body is blue too.

Pokemon Trainer Touko
February 21st, 2011, 03:52 AM
I think Solosis and it's evolutions should be Psychic/Water because they look sooo bubbly~

http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=6950&pictureid=52699http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=6950&pictureid=52700http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=6950&pictureid=52701

fenyx4
February 21st, 2011, 12:56 PM
Dewott and Samurott should be Water/fighting (seriously, Samurott is Samurai + Otter. No fighting type?)

Servine and Serperior should be maybe Grass/dragon?

Also i think Deerling and Sawsbuck should change types according to season:
Summer - Fire
Autumn: Grass
Winter: Ice
Spring: Normal

What do you think?

Deerling changing type would be very nice. All the Formes would still be part Normal-type, with only the secondary type changing. Normal/Fire and Normal/Grass would be very nice. I think Spring Forme could be Normal/Water though, due to the frequency of rainfall.

And Daikenki should definitely have been Water/Fighting. Makes much more sense than a circular humanoid tadpole (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Poliwrath_%28Pok%C3%83%C2%A9mon%29), at least.

Cofagrigus should've been Ghost/Ground or Rock. It lives in the desert,

Agreed.


http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/47/Spr_5b_497.png
Why do people keep on saying that a Dragon-type starter would be overpowered? It would already have a 4x weakness to Ice-type and 2x weakness to Dragon, Flying, Bug, and Poison-types. Emboar can always Poison Jab it and Daikenki can use several Ice-type moves against it. Emboar could also unexpectedly learn Ice Punch (hey, if limbless ball ghosts (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Gastly) can learn punching attacks, Emboar can learn ice moves! And hey, it can already learn Boiling Water, a feat no other Fire-type Pokemon can do...)

Game Freak can also nerf the stats and/or movesets of a Grass/Dragon Jaroda if needed to give other Pokemon a fighting chance. And we've already had a Steel-type starter (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Empoleon), which only lets Grass-type moves hit for neutral damage. Not only is Torterra weak to Empoleon's Ice-type moves, it's also forced to rely on its secondary Ground-type to deal super-effective damage. Last time I checked, Ground-type was not part of the standard "Fire/Water/Grass" triangle. So yeah, a part-Dragon-type starter Pokemon is totally valid, as long as necessary precautions are taken to put said starter on equal footing with its counterparts.

skyluigi2
February 21st, 2011, 01:20 PM
I don't like Emboar's typing... -.-
Reminds me too much of Infernape...

Erufuun
February 21st, 2011, 03:27 PM
If we are talking about all new dual types in general, lets go to some of the weird ones!
Like the new ghosties!
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/evo/593.png (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/593.shtml)
Ghost/Water makes for an extremely annoying type combination. It is immune/resists all priority moves, and checks a lot of once powerful sweepers. Plus, he is also very defensive stat-wise.
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/evo/609.png (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/609.shtml)
Ghost/Fire, another interesting typing! Very good attacker, though is dominated by Tyranitar. D:

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/evo/623.png (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/623.shtml)
Ghost/Ground, really doesn't fit what he is. He's like a big giant robot megazord thing, he should be Ghost/Steel, which would be an epic typing! Though, his does grant him three useful immunities. :3

Forever
February 21st, 2011, 03:31 PM
Kerudio can cross water though by ejecting water from it's hooves, appears at beautiful watersides, and runs through the oceans and rivers ;)

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Kerudio_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29

So I think water suits it quite well :) Plus it's body is blue too.

...D: Without background information, water doesn't suit. XD

I think Solosis and it's evolutions should be Psychic/Water because they look sooo bubbly~

http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=6950&pictureid=52699http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=6950&pictureid=52700http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=6950&pictureid=52701

Kinda... but kinda not agreed. Yeah sure they look bubbly, but whether they learn any water moves is kinda important imo. If they wanted a bubbly design, they could've made a Pokemon based on that, whereas these three have a deeper meaning behind their creation (if that makes sense?)

JP
February 21st, 2011, 03:38 PM
If we are talking about all new dual types in general, lets go to some of the weird ones!
Like the new ghosties!
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/evo/593.png (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/593.shtml)
Ghost/Water makes for an extremely annoying type combination. It is immune/resists all priority moves, and checks a lot of once powerful sweepers. Plus, he is also very defensive stat-wise.
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/evo/609.png (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/609.shtml)
Ghost/Fire, another interesting typing! Very good attacker, though is dominated by Tyranitar. D:

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/evo/623.png (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/623.shtml)
Ghost/Ground, really doesn't fit what he is. He's like a big giant robot megazord thing, he should be Ghost/Steel, which would be an epic typing! Though, his does grant him three useful immunities. :3


These are definitely my favorites of the newly introduced double typings this gen. People have been asking for a Ghost/Fire type since forever, so naturally it's great to finally see one.

As for ones that shouldn't or should have been... Emboar really could have been something else. I must say that when I heard it was yet again another Fire/Fighting type, it pissed me off. I've made my peace with it now though, but another typing would have been greatly welcomed. As for Oshawutt's final evolution, a secondary Steel or even Fighting (with the whole samurai type thing going on) would have been great.

Rai
February 21st, 2011, 03:52 PM
Kerudio can cross water though by ejecting water from it's hooves, appears at beautiful watersides, and runs through the oceans and rivers ;)

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Kerudio_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29

So I think water suits it quite well :) Plus it's body is blue too.

I like Keldeo's type too :3

I like Jellicent; it's typing is awesome! But it's female form kind of scares me o_o;

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110213005646/pokemon/images/thumb/5/56/Jellicent.png/188px-Jellicent.png
http://img34.imageshack.us/i/665px593burungelpink.png/sr=1

Scorpio219
February 21st, 2011, 06:40 PM
how in the hell is the gen 5 electric eel line not water type, i can see how the last evo is electric dark but the first two are messed up, how do they levitate, really

Weavile05
February 21st, 2011, 06:54 PM
Tepig is a pig. I think they should've completely redesigned it's evolutions, to suit a Fire/Ground type.
I mean seriously, Pig screams ground type.

Zorua
February 21st, 2011, 07:53 PM
I think that Chaoboo and Emboar shouldn't be fire/fighting. I think they should be plain Fire.

All I really needed to read in this post.

Why the dual fire/fighting when we already have enough fire/fighting pokemon? Infernape and Blaziken do just fine at being their respectful types, we don't need a third one really. If anything, at least give Emboar high offensive abilities and and make it learn fighting moves or something. u_u;

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
February 21st, 2011, 08:54 PM
how in the hell is the gen 5 electric eel line not water type, i can see how the last evo is electric dark but the first two are messed up, how do they levitate, really
The thing is that it's final form is actually only Electric...

Barn
February 21st, 2011, 08:54 PM
Emboar's and Pignite's typing fits them fine. It's just that we already have 2 other fire/fighting starter evolutions. Blaziken and Infernape were awesome, we don't need to add to that. The Ghost/Fire and the Water/Ghost are pretty epic, though Golurk surprised me. Ground? Where'd that come from?

Keldeo - water is fine, I guess. But adding a fighting type makes it look like it was created just to be the "one off" of the Coballon, Terrakion, and Virizion trio.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
February 21st, 2011, 08:59 PM
Emboar's and Pignite's typing fits them fine. It's just that we already have 2 other fire/fighting starter evolutions. Blaziken and Infernape were awesome, we don't need to add to that. The Ghost/Fire and the Water/Ghost are pretty epic, though Golurk surprised me. Ground? Where'd that come from?

Keldeo - water is fine, I guess. But adding a fighting type makes it look like it was created just to be the "one off" of the Coballon, Terrakion, and Virizion trio.
All four though are Fighting types...

vaporeon7
February 22nd, 2011, 04:13 AM
I do think Grass/Dragon would have suited Serperior better. Grass has enough weaknesses to make it even.

Dominus Temporis
February 22nd, 2011, 06:07 AM
I agree that the starter types should have been changed. They were the only real disappointment of Gen V for me.

Personally, I think Tepig's line should have ended up Fire/Dark. Heck, Emboar looks like Ganon, it's a perfect fit. Or it should have gone Fire->Fire/Fighting->Fire/Dark. Like a fighter corrupted by dark powers or something.

Oshawott should have been Water/Fighting. Not pure Water. The fact that Keldeo actually is Water/Fighting only makes this more egregious.

As for the Snivy line... either Grass/Dragon, which could be balanced for reason already mentioned, or Grass/Poison.

Forever
February 22nd, 2011, 06:32 AM
how in the hell is the gen 5 electric eel line not water type, i can see how the last evo is electric dark but the first two are messed up, how do they levitate, really

I agree tbh. I think a lot of Pokemon this generation deserved to have three typings, rather than two (yes, defying tradition). But yeah as you say, the eels really look like water types. :x

Oh yeah, Dwebble/Crustle. Don't really see how bug fits in with them, they'd honestly be better off with water.

Boarbeque
February 22nd, 2011, 09:24 AM
Discuss your thoughts about the double typing!

I think that Chaoboo and Emboar shouldn't be fire/fighting. I think they should be plain Fire.

Dewott and Samurott should be Water/fighting (seriously, Samurott is Samurai + Otter. No fighting type?)

Servine and Serperior should be maybe Grass/dragon?

Also i think Deerling and Sawsbuck should change types according to season:
Summer - Fire
Autumn: Grass
Winter: Ice
Spring: Normal

What do you think?

Emboar is wearing a wrestling belt. He should be fighting.

Serperior is just a snake. Nothing more. He should stay pure Grass.

Sawsbuck shouldn't change types. It would mess with his moveset, and he doesnt get any fire or ice moves regardless.

Emboar's and Pignite's typing fits them fine. It's just that we already have 2 other fire/fighting starter evolutions. Blaziken and Infernape were awesome, we don't need to add to that. The Ghost/Fire and the Water/Ghost are pretty epic, though Golurk surprised me. Ground? Where'd that come from?

Keldeo - water is fine, I guess. But adding a fighting type makes it look like it was created just to be the "one off" of the Coballon, Terrakion, and Virizion trio.

There is a 4th muskateer, he just doesnt appear often.

bwburke94
February 22nd, 2011, 11:30 AM
The whole "fire/fighting starter" thing is likely just another reference to the Hoenn and Sinnoh games. Gen V is full of these kinds of references.

Personally, I like Fire/Fighting better as a typing than Fire/Flying like Charizard, probably because Fire/Flying has that 4x weakness to Rock. Offensively, Fire/Fighting is a good combination, being resisted by basically nothing early in the game. Emboar can also learn Rock Slide via TM, and no Pokémon resists all three types.

staryu_beast
February 24th, 2011, 04:55 PM
Anyone excited about the new type combinations that black/white have? like: ground/dark, water/rock, rock/flying, and bug/steel. I think battling will be taken up a level with new type combos and the triple battles.

Nyjil da Kid
February 24th, 2011, 04:57 PM
Lol, none of these are new except for Ground/Dark :p

Forever
February 24th, 2011, 04:58 PM
The typing combinations are being discussed in the double typing thread, so meergeed.

Quilava's Master
February 24th, 2011, 06:43 PM
I agree that the Tepig line should have been ground BUT Pignite just screams WRESTLER! I like that Samurott is a pure type but being part steel would have been cool too. Cofargius should be part rock since it's made of sand (presumably). i think the Musketeers being part Fighting is stupid. Simisage looks like it could have been part Fighting too.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
February 24th, 2011, 07:18 PM
I'm glad that they changed the double typing of Heat forme Rotom from Ghost/Electric to Fire/Electric as I like the idea of that typing seeing as it's strong against both Grass and Water along with other typing it's strong against namely Steel,ice,flying...

TheGoddessOfDiscord
March 1st, 2011, 06:40 AM
Hmm... Gothita, Gothorita and Gothitelle look more like Psychic/Dark than pure Psychic.
And I think Emboar should be Fire/Ground. But Fire/Fighting is okay too.

spike6958
March 1st, 2011, 07:43 AM
I personally think Emboar should be Fire/Dark, he just really looks like a Dark type, plus I am sick of Fire/Fighting starters.

And Serperior really should have been Grass/Dragon, it looks much more like a Dragon than a Snake IMO.

Esper
March 1st, 2011, 08:25 AM
Ground/Ghost works well. It's supposed to be some kind of golem or other ancient mystical machine thing brought to life. Ground suits that idea better then Steel or whatever else because ancient people would have used clay and stuff like that.

I don't think there are any in Gen V where I'd want to change the types because I thought they didn't fit the design. I like that there are a lot of single types, over half of them (82 single types and 74 double, and 13 of those doubles are legendaries). I don't think a lot of them need a second if their main type suits them well enough, even if they might have aspects that imply other types. Those can be covered by moves.

RYOUKI
March 1st, 2011, 11:03 AM
I like Keldeo's type too :3

I like Jellicent; it's typing is awesome! But it's female form kind of scares me o_o;

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110213005646/pokemon/images/thumb/5/56/Jellicent.png/188px-Jellicent.png
http://img34.imageshack.us/i/665px593burungelpink.png/sr=1
That's the point! It's part Ghost. :D

Erm, I face palmed when I learned that Emboar was Fire/Fighting.

It's really cool if Serperior is Grass/Dragon, but it would be over-powered. If Samurott and Emboar stayed the same typing, Serperior would seriously dominate. I think they think of the starter's type based on how it would affect the other two. Like Torterra can beat Infernape, and Infernape can beat Empoleon.

Sawsbuck can stay it's typing. I hate it when a Pokemon's type changes accordingly. I like it when Rotom was just Ghost/Electric.

King Gumball
March 1st, 2011, 12:38 PM
If still confused as to why Flouderp hasn't got the water as its second typing... js :/ It is a land fish... How does it move around without swimming?

j2y8n2x
March 1st, 2011, 02:36 PM
I think Gothitelle should be Dark and Psychic, considering the tons of dark moves it can learn.
Also, there are too many pure psychics, it's getting boring now.

Rai
March 1st, 2011, 08:53 PM
I feel that Solosis' line should be Psychic/Grass. I thought it was a grass pokemon at first. It's green and its coating looks like chlorophyll to me.

fenyx4
March 1st, 2011, 09:08 PM
Almost forgot; why did Game Freak permit this Rotom Forme of redundancy (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment) to continue?

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/8a/Spr_5b_479F.png

I mean, Flying-type and Levitate on one Pokemon? T_T Give it some useful ability! I like how Rotom's new Generation 5 type combinations knocked out the obscure dual typings of Electric/Fire, Electric/Ice, and Electric/Grass, though I still wish that the elements replaced the Electric-typing rather than the Ghost-typing...

Golurk should have been Steel-type IMO; we already have "ancient" golems, and Golurk looks more like an Iron Giant/Megazord-like Pokemon, both of which have metal components. At times I wish that Regigigas had taken the Ground-type or Normal/Ground-type instead, so we could have our generic inclusive earth "Golem"...

Also, I like Sawsbucks' Normal/Grass typing, but six weaknesses? My gosh... I really wish it had very formidable stats to compensate for those weaknesses, or at least some Rock and Psychic-type moves in its arsenal to combat said weaknesses... Changing its secondary type with its Forme would've helped it out a little, IMO...

j2y8n2x
March 2nd, 2011, 12:53 AM
Almost forgot; why did Game Freak permit this Rotom Forme of redundancy (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment) to continue?

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/8a/Spr_5b_479F.png

I mean, Flying-type and Levitate on one Pokemon? T_T Give it some useful ability! I like how Rotom's new Generation 5 type combinations knocked out the obscure dual typings of Electric/Fire, Electric/Ice, and Electric/Grass, though I still wish that the elements replaced the Electric-typing rather than the Ghost-typing...

Golurk should have been Steel-type IMO; we already have "ancient" golems, and Golurk looks more like an Iron Giant/Megazord-like Pokemon, both of which have metal components. At times I wish that Regigigas had taken the Ground-type or Normal/Ground-type instead, so we could have our generic inclusive earth "Golem"...

Also, I like Sawsbucks' Normal/Grass typing, but six weaknesses? My gosh... I really wish it had very formidable stats to compensate for those weaknesses, or at least some Rock and Psychic-type moves in its arsenal to combat said weaknesses... Changing its secondary type with its Forme would've helped it out a little, IMO...
Jynx's abilities has always been useless...
what...? Oblivious? It should be mero-mero-body!!
She's the one that needs to attract people XD

Golurk so looks like a robot more than a ghost to me!
It should be steel!! and not ghost!!

lamby101
March 2nd, 2011, 02:21 PM
Discuss your thoughts about the double typing!

I think that Chaoboo and Emboar shouldn't be fire/fighting. I think they should be plain Fire.

Dewott and Samurott should be Water/fighting (seriously, Samurott is Samurai + Otter. No fighting type?)

Servine and Serperior should be maybe Grass/dragon?

Also i think Deerling and Sawsbuck should change types according to season:
Summer - Fire
Autumn: Grass
Winter: Ice
Spring: Normal

What do you think?

I was thinking that about Deerling and Sawsbuck just now when I was in the seasons thread.

I think it could be a good idea but it may get annoying if every season you need to teach it a new STAB attack. Although an idea would be to have a fixed STAB attack that also changes with the seasons.

fenyx4
March 2nd, 2011, 08:59 PM
I was thinking that about Deerling and Sawsbuck just now when I was in the seasons thread.

I think it could be a good idea but it may get annoying if every season you need to teach it a new STAB attack. [S-HIGHLIGHT]Although an idea would be to have a fixed STAB attack that also changes with the seasons.[/S-HIGHLIGHT]

Sigh...that's a great idea. Horn Leech/Wood Horn (Sawsbucks' signature move) could have been that move that changes type with the seasons, and we would have had unprecedented Fire-type (Summer), Ice-type (Winter), and Water-type (Spring) Draining/HP Restoration moves. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MissedMomentOfAwesome) :(