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Noblebeastx
April 14th, 2011, 08:23 PM
So, I would like to open this up for discussion. Now i have only been around the forums a year, so i don't know the real reason why some sections of forums do not add to post count, I can only guess to lower the amount of spam but my dear friend has it ever came to your mind the real reason why people post on forums is not only to Meet and make friends or discuss about the game or whatever they like, Its because they want to have a high post count.

I can't even begin to wrap my head around the amount of people who would gain a larger post count if Trivia or trading parts were added to post count.

I personally think its fair for trivia post to be added to post count because if people are going to take time out of there day to post games and play in games don't you think there post should be added to there post count and not just there for the fun of it.

I know people who that are not addicted to forums will not agree with me because they don't care about post count but i know there will be also people who do care about post count and think different.

What im suggesting is that the staff relook over the sections that have post count disabled and think about opening a few, if not all.

I would like to also here the community thoughts on this.

Meganium
April 14th, 2011, 08:27 PM
I'm pretty sure it was done like that because administrators don't want a user's post count to revolve just the Trivia sections. It makes the user post in other sections, not just the trivia.

Forever
April 14th, 2011, 08:28 PM
Well, post count is meant to be there for thoughtful posts, to take notes of the ones that somewhat demand more effort in the posts. While, for forums such as other trivia, it's easy to type four words and move along and in a way, those posts don't really go to show anything. Same for trade corner, which doesn't have the 4 word / 25 char rule anyway. People could essentially post "plz trade friend code" over and over in the trade corner and make millions of posts based off spam really.

If it's an issue though, post count could always get disabled so that every post counts for nothing really. This way, at least posts in the sections that do count posts actually count for something. :( I don't think the post count permissions will be changed as it is tbh.

Oryx
April 14th, 2011, 08:33 PM
In my old forum for a game that I used to visit, every post counted. Post count, as much as a lot of people would claim otherwise, often signifies respectability. People look to the users with 4,000 posts for an answer to a question before they look to someone with 50. The reason those are locked is to avoid people looking more respectable in the community than they are, if all they do is post in game threads.

I really like that the posts don't count, because it encourages you not to care about post count. I enjoy forums a lot and enjoy having a high post count, but I want my posts to be gotten by helping on the forums, answering questions, and having discussion related to the forums, not because I posted 1000+ times in the Count to Infinity.

Timbjerr
April 14th, 2011, 08:34 PM
The reason for having postcount disabled in all of those sections ids the fact that threads there rarely promote serious discussion. We don't want to inflate a user's major numerical status indicator simply because he's addicted to TCTI or trade shops. XD

I have been milling over some alternatives to postcount as far as numerical status indicators go just for this reason, but I don't know if the staff is willing to change anything that's been established for so long. XD

Melody
April 14th, 2011, 08:40 PM
Well personally, I don't oppose enabling posts to count everywhere.

THE PROBLEM LIES IN...The minimum post requirements to achieve different levels. Like now you must have 15 posts in order to post pictures or URLs. That would have to be effectively quadrupled or more! It wouldn't be just 15 posts, you'd be required to make 100 before you could post links or images...and that would be very annoying to new people joining. You thought the 15 post minimum was dumb, it'd be that much worse if we counted posts everywhere and didn't exclude the spammish sections from that count.

Blogs would no longer be attainable at a reasonable 5k posts...that would have to be at least increased by 2500 posts, if not doubled or tripled.


I don't agree with the fact that the administration disables postcount for places like OT, but I see that there is more reason than they want you to visit elsewhere. The post minimums are integral in repelling stupid spambots and spammers in general.

So yeah, upholding a minimum standard of post quality is fine for counted posts...because it makes the post minimums WAY LESS annoying.

Vrai
April 14th, 2011, 08:41 PM
The reason for having postcount disabled in all of those sections ids the fact that threads there rarely promote serious discussion. We don't want to inflate a user's major numerical status indicator simply because he's addicted to TCTI or trade shops. XD

I have been milling over some alternatives to postcount as far as numerical status indicators go just for this reason, but I don't know if the staff is willing to change anything that's been established for so long. XD

After the rep fiasco, any alternatives don't sound very plausible. :/

Noblebeastx
April 14th, 2011, 08:47 PM
Well, Yes i agree some changes would have to be made if they were to enable post in a few area's. such as trivia or trade. Make it so that the post characters needed are longer, Some ablitys such as blogs would need to be raised to high post count.

But where im getting at is, For some of us a high post count matter and some it doesn't no matter what like someone else said people will look to people with highest post count and if anyone is willing to sit on a forums 24 hours spamming one post after another just to achieve a high post there crazy and need a life.

I admit i care about post count and it should be something earned and higher post count should be people who are well known in community and respected but lets be honest here. Half the people with 1k-3k post we don't even know each other. It wouldn't make that much of a difference. I have been here almost a year and have made a few friends but more than half the people here with high post count i have not even talked to.

flight
April 14th, 2011, 08:52 PM
Postcount shouldn't dictate who you should and shouldn't talk to. Honestly, it's just a number, it shouldn't dictate anything but how many posts that you've made during your stay here at the PokeCommunity. :D; I'm not trying to sound rude or anything, but it's a number that doesn't really hold a significant meaning at all, really. I hope you realize this.

Half the people with 1k-3k post we don't even know each other.

That's probably because they've never spoken to each other before? Why would they need a high postcount to talk to each other? You have people like me and Forever, who have ridiculously huge postcounts, but that doesn't mean that we're automatically the social butterflies of PC or anything, we're just really active.

Noblebeastx
April 14th, 2011, 08:58 PM
Yes but thats not true forever is social and as in this community it seems all the higher post count people are.

flight
April 14th, 2011, 09:02 PM
Yes but thats not true forever is social and as in this community it seems all the higher post count people are.

Nica is social? You're forgetting that out of every forum section in PC that there is she frequents less than like 3-4 at max, lol. She mainly sticks to modding B/W and browsing OVP occasionally, iirc and probably browses other forum sections every now and then(CQ&F, included).

I'm quite the lurker myself, despite having a huge postcount, and I post when it's necessary to. Also, you're forgetting that Nica is also social because she sorta has to, modding a huge forum section and all. :D;

Forever
April 14th, 2011, 09:04 PM
Yes but thats not true forever is social and as in this community it seems all the higher post count people are.

That's the thing, though. I reached this postcount in about 5 and a half years in forums where postcount counts. If you applied yourself and the number really matters that much to you, it's possible for you to do the same over that time period and have a high post count without the trade/trivia forums adding to the postcount.

Honestly, having a high postcount is more worthwhile when you actually have good posts and not all spammy ones. With my first 14000 or so posts not really worth anything to me.

Actually Derk, I managed to gain 16000 posts before I got modded, so it's still possible to have a high postcount and not be staff. :x And even still, that's only if it really does matter to you, which it shouldn't that much. :(

flight
April 14th, 2011, 09:05 PM
Actually Derk, I managed to gain 16000 posts before I got modded, so it's still possible to have a high postcount and not be staff. :x And even still, that's only if it really does matter to you, which it shouldn't that much. :(

I was not referring to this time period. :(

EDIT: I mean from when you were modded and then, you probably limited yourself to B/W, CQ&F, and OVP, and I can't remember any others. D:

Vrai
April 14th, 2011, 09:06 PM
Yes but thats not true forever is social and as in this community it seems all the higher post count people are.

I consider myself fairly social. I've been around the block once or twice. I know a good chunk of the current staff and I talk to people constantly to introduce new relationships and stuff. I also don't have a 10k+ postcount. A postcount doesn't define how social you are - you do. If you want to have more friends go talk to more people. If you want a bigger postcount post more in places where it counts. That's all there is to it.

Noblebeastx
April 14th, 2011, 09:10 PM
Well post count isn't hard for me, I didn't make this topic for me it was a over all community suggestion. I am one of those types that post count means a lot and if i wanted i could sit on here 15 hours a day for a few days and gain a few thousand post count prob. I just am not into posting that much or I don't have noting useful to add to post it seems.

Vrai
April 14th, 2011, 09:13 PM
Well post count isn't hard for me, I didn't make this topic for me it was a over all community suggestion. I am one of those types that post count means a lot and if i wanted i could sit on here 15 hours a day for a few days and gain a few thousand post count prob. I just am not into posting that much or I don't have noting useful to add to post it seems.

If it really means that much to you then you would be able to post more/find more useful things to post. :(

I think that where we're sitting with the places that don't count posts etc is really good right now and nothing needs to be changed about it.

flight
April 14th, 2011, 09:15 PM
Well post count isn't hard for me, I didn't make this topic for me it was a over all community suggestion. I am one of those types that post count means a lot and if i wanted i could sit on here 15 hours a day for a few days and gain a few thousand post count prob. I just am not into posting that much or I don't have noting useful to add to post it seems.

Well, that's sort of the problem, here. Content to posts is extremely important, as when other people come and read certain threads and come across your post, the content will actually dictate whether you're actually worth responding to, or skimming over and facepalming. This is quite the blunt answer, but it gets the point across nonetheless. A lot of people that managed to have huge posts counts(including myself and Forever) have learned sort of the hard way in the past when we were noobs that postcount isn't really all that fancy like we thought it would be.

Although I wouldn't put it past you to gain a few thousand postcounts in a while(not a day, that's pretty much impossible) as long as they really have some meaningful content and whatever, then do what you want. Just be careful not to post mindless stuff and whatnot, y'know? You could get in trouble for that. D:

Noblebeastx
April 14th, 2011, 09:19 PM
Ya, i know ive racked up enought infractions. Can't afford anymore. I am very careful about what i do now, even more so when half my infractions were not on purpose, it was simply because i didn't know back then.

Zet
April 14th, 2011, 09:21 PM
Stupid suggestion is stupid, it may sound insulting to you but get over it. If post count was enabled everywhere bots could easily get 15 posts in a spammy section and just spam links and people could promote their forum easily.

If you want a higher post count, just post in the Daily Chit-Chat in Other Chat.

fenyx4
April 14th, 2011, 10:00 PM
So, I would like to open this up for discussion. Now i have only been around the forums a year, so i don't know the real reason why some sections of forums do not add to post count, I can only guess to lower the amount of spam but my dear friend has it ever came to your mind [S-HIGHLIGHT]the real reason why people post on forums is not only to Meet and make friends or discuss about the game or whatever they like, Its because they want to have a high post count.[/S-HIGHLIGHT]

No offense, but who the heck joins a forum purely for post counts? :cer_confused: That sounds like a terrible reason to join a forum. When I joined, I joined to talk about Pokemon. Most likely, that doesn't describe everyone's purpose for joining, but to have post count as the most important reason? That just seems...wrong. I would think one would join a forum either because they appreciate the people on said forum, or he/she would like to engage in discussion on whatever the forum's main interest is, but not for post count. Literally, it's just a number. Yeah, "big numbers" can be cool and all to look at and fathom, but at the end of the day, it's just a number...

Well, post count is meant to be there for thoughtful posts, to take notes of the ones that somewhat demand more effort in the posts. While, for forums such as other trivia, it's easy to type four words and move along and in a way, those posts don't really go to show anything. Same for trade corner, which doesn't have the 4 word / 25 char rule anyway. People could essentially post "plz trade friend code" over and over in the trade corner and make millions of posts based off spam really.

If it's an issue though, post count could always get disabled so that every post counts for nothing really. This way, at least posts in the sections that do count posts actually count for something. :( I don't think the post count permissions will be changed as it is tbh.

Yeegh...I'm OK with Trivia and Trade Corner posts not counting toward the post total, but I'd like it if people were recognized for posts that they actually put thought into, simply for tabulation purposes... Eliminating post count of the "thoughtful posts", as you mentioned Forever, would mean that the effort users try to put in constructive or intelligent discussions wouldn't be recognized. It's not an absolute must that post count of thoughtful posts should stay though, as it's really quite trivial and just a piece of numerical data. But retaining minor recognition for fleshed-out posts in the form of such a display would be nice, IMO...

I was a bit startled that you suggested this, Forever, considering you have one of the more-insane post counts that I've come across on PC. :cer_laugh: I'd hate for all of your, or anyone's, "thought-out" posts to just vanish in an instant with no indication that they even exist.

In my old forum for a game that I used to visit, every post counted. Post count, as much as a lot of people would claim otherwise, often signifies respectability. People look to the users with 4,000 posts for an answer to a question before they look to someone with 50. The reason those are locked is to avoid people looking more respectable in the community than they are, if all they do is post in game threads.

I enjoy forums a lot and enjoy having a high post count, but I want my posts to be gotten by helping on the forums, answering questions, and having discussion related to the forums, not because I posted 1000+ times in the Count to Infinity.

As unfortunate as it may seem sometimes, users with higher post counts do typically seem to have more experience/more prominent roles when visiting online forums, from my experience. Primarily, this is because most of those users either founded the forums or registered early around the time of the forum's conception.
And it could be considered sensible to go to someone with a respectable post count who's familiar with forum rules and etiquette rather than the newbie user with only 1-10 posts who is similarly adjusting or possibly doesn't plan on sticking around for long.

I agree with your second post, though, Toujours. Just as it technically takes no skill at all to use one-hit knockout "insta-win" moves in Pokemon games, it takes no skill at all to fill trivia threads like The Count To Infinity with posts. Seriously, as long as you're following in the count, you can post the most random of stuff or say "This post has words in it/I have nothing to say today" repeatedly without infraction(s), even if it completely deviates from the present "topic".

The reason for having postcount disabled in all of those sections ids the fact that threads there rarely promote serious discussion. We don't want to inflate a user's major numerical status indicator simply because he's addicted to TCTI or trade shops. XD

This, too.

Well personally, I don't oppose enabling posts to count everywhere.

THE PROBLEM LIES IN...The minimum post requirements to achieve different levels. Like now you must have 15 posts in order to post pictures or URLs. That would have to be effectively quadrupled or more! It wouldn't be just 15 posts, you'd be required to make 100 before you could post links or images...and that would be very annoying to new people joining. You thought the 15 post minimum was dumb, it'd be that much worse if we counted posts everywhere and didn't exclude the spammish sections from that count.

Blogs would no longer be attainable at a reasonable 5k posts...that would have to be at least increased by 2500 posts, if not doubled or tripled.


I don't agree with the fact that the administration disables postcount for places like OT, but I see that there is more reason than they want you to visit elsewhere. The post minimums are integral in repelling stupid spambots and spammers in general.

So yeah, upholding a minimum standard of post quality is fine for counted posts...because it makes the post minimums WAY LESS annoying.

That's also a factor...though links and pictures aren't necessarily important for discussions, they can assist greatly at times. Substantial increase in such requirements could likely discourage and even drive away potential newcomers. The blog limit already seems high enough, and I'm hardly near the blog threshold post count as it stands.

But where im getting at is, For some of us a high post count matter and some it doesn't no matter what like someone else said people will look to people with highest post count and if anyone is willing to sit on a forums 24 hours spamming one post after another just to achieve a high post there crazy and need a life.

I admit i care about post count and it should be something earned and higher post count should be people who are well known in community and respected but lets be honest here. Half the people with 1k-3k post we don't even know each other. It wouldn't make that much of a difference. I have been here almost a year and have made a few friends but more than half the people here with high post count i have not even talked to.

I still maintain that post count should mainly be for "thought-out" posts; counting the "spammish" threads and such would possibly require a raise in certain posting limits (i.e., blogs), which I believe would have a negative impact with adverse effects. Honestly, if people care that much about post count where all of their spammy/"counting" trivia posts need to be counted for a massive post count, they should just go in Paint.NET or Adobe Photoshop and edit their post count to have insanely high numbers to satiate their "immensely-high post count" thirst.

About the "not talking to people with higher post count"...I'm guessing that it could be partially mostly because a lot of those people happen to be moderators who've been here for a while, and they do have other responsibilities to attend to. That is not, however, the sole reason for this behavior. The "people with higher post counts" just may not share any common interests with you to strike up a conversation... It's a harsh reality, but it tends to be true.... However, most of the moderators and administrators (and even regular users) with "high post counts" that I've come across are quite friendly, and I'm pretty sure they'll at least take the time to say hi at least once in a VM if your messages are amicable towards them as well. :)

Furthermore, "high post count" people (I really hate using that term) may just be more involved in sections/subforums that you are not, so they may hardly come across you or your posts if the forums that you and them frequent are radically different.

Basically, there's a myriad of reasons why people do and don't talk to other people, including the reality that it's unreasonable to expect to talk/know everyone individually in a community...

Another reason why I appreciate post count being maintained is that all of your "meaningful/thought-out" posts from years ago are still referenced in some way (as minor as it is), instead of being strictly secluded to only being noticed in rarely-seen threads that have died long ago. In addition, I understand that some people do make thoughtful posts from time to time in meaningful threads such as TCTI and Don't Let The Mod Say Zero, and at times it does seem like a shame when a lengthy, meaningful TCTI is barred from tabulation, while a shorter opinionated post like "What's Your Pokemon Team Right Now?" may get counted instead.


Alternative option: I propose that an additional, subset Post Count be added... Either it shows the number of ALL of a user's post, Trivia/Trade Corner and Non-Trivia/Trade Corner, or it ONLY displays the number of a user's Trivia/Trade Corner posts (basically, all Posts that wouldn't be counted normally). For example:

USER
Posts: 1000
Trivia Posts: 2000
(by combining "thoughtful" posts and "trivia" posts, this user would have 3000 posts total on PokeCommunity).

OR

USER
Posts: 1000
Total Posts: 3000
(here, the sum of "Trivia/TC" and "Thoughtful" Posts is shown as "3000").

This way, trivia posts could get recognized too, though not as prominently as "thoughtful" posts. Personally, I prefer the second format, since only "thoughtful" posts receive focus in the post counts displayed. However, I cannot think of a good "formal" prefix that would serve as the equivalent to "thoughtful" posts... :\

But yeah, I'd really hate for Post Counts to go the way as Reputation did; "Post Counts" seem to serve a bit more of a purpose aside from data, if only that they can signify more experienced users who new users could look up to, should forum guidance be needed (though I'm assuming most new users ask mods/admins for assistance, anyway...).

HEY! I WROTE A "THOUGHT-OUT" POST ON POST COUNT! (I THINK). LOLOLOLOL

Melody
April 14th, 2011, 10:06 PM
Ya, i know ive racked up enought infractions. Can't afford anymore. I am very careful about what i do now, even more so when half my infractions were not on purpose, it was simply because i didn't know back then.

Chill out and take it easy. Have a good long, firm look at my post count and join date. I've only really been inactive for about a year of the 6 I've been on PC. I lurk moar. I post when I feel like it.

Don't fret about your post count, it makes people wary of you. Now, I know that's not right of them to be, for those who are that way, but you'd probably be the same way if you had 10 noobs a day trying to butter you up.

I will say this: It's not wrong to care about your postcount. If you seriously want to participate and contribute to PC in your heart of hearts, then by all means do so and don't let cranky staffies and veterans like Zet get your goat.

For people who judge a person before they even talk to them...shame on them. Those aren't people you want to befriend anyway, because they tend to be queens of Drama. ;)

King Gumball
April 14th, 2011, 10:11 PM
I think that if post count was enabled everywhere, the Trivia sections would be more popular, other than the counting threads which have turned into chat threads, trivia sections aren't as active as they could be. I think that if the 5000 posts required for a blog was increased post count everywhere should be allowed, to gain activity in the trivia sections. I dont think it will cause spam, because like every other section has post count enabled and they aren't all spammed up. I just want Trivia to be booming thats all XD

Actually adding to the first part, I think the main reason posts do not count in Trivia is because too many people will post there for the sake of having a huge post counts. And therefore aren't really contributing to DISCUSSIONS which is what PC is all about, not four word posts. So basically although I see no harm in allowing trivia to have post count, the posts there aren't really worth anything so are not added to your post count.


Having a high post count wont necessarily make you more social, it is just a lot of the high post count users who are popular have been here for years now, so they have made lots of posts and friends, are recognizable, becoming a name everybody knows. You should not be posting to increase your post count, that is rather pointless and wont make you more popular. Forever and Lightning are so well known because, yes they are staff but also because they have been here for a long time and posts everywhere, and do go onto chat threads and help other members. If you want to be popular or social go to the IRC Chat and meet people there. All you need to do is say hi, if they just ignore you than they aren't worth talking to you.


EDIT: made text bigger because it is tl;dr and will hurt my eyes. Also bad grammar XD

Arcanine
April 15th, 2011, 12:33 AM
In my old forum for a game that I used to visit, every post counted. Post count, as much as a lot of people would claim otherwise, often signifies respectability. People look to the users with 4,000 posts for an answer to a question before they look to someone with 50. The reason those are locked is to avoid people looking more respectable in the community than they are, if all they do is post in game threads. PC used to be like that when I joined. Where someone with a higher post count would be looked at as someone who knew what they were talking about. And most of the cases the answers they gave were right, because they were around enough to know what was going on and could give a good answer. You have to keep in mind this was many years ago and back then PC only had around 800 members (and only a handful of them were active), we were small and really big questions didn't come up.
But these days you can have a ton of posts, post in the Community Questions & Feedback threads all day long and still be wrong. But the Staff tend to come along and straighten things out.



I just want to add this... When we do something (for example, turn off a post count in a forum) there's a reason behind it. You might not understand the reason, you might not like the reason, but there is a point behind it. The things we do for PC aren't fly by night changes, we talk about them a great deal before doing them. So if such and such forum doesn't add to the post count then we have a reason for turning them off.

Oryx
April 15th, 2011, 03:41 AM
USER
Posts: 1000
Total Posts: 3000
(here, the sum of "Trivia/TC" and "Thoughtful" Posts is shown as "3000").

This way, trivia posts could get recognized too, though not as prominently as "thoughtful" posts. Personally, I prefer the second format, since only "thoughtful" posts receive focus in the post counts displayed. However, I cannot think of a good "formal" prefix that would serve as the equivalent to "thoughtful" posts... :\

What about "Topical Posts" or "Topic Posts"? They're on the topic of the forum for the most part.

Lily
April 15th, 2011, 04:03 AM
Disagree with the subset option... are posts so important that people need two different types of them? I don't think so. :S

Arlen
April 15th, 2011, 04:10 AM
Post count shouldn't even matter in my opinion. Your posts contribute to the thread (well at least they're supposed to) and so they shouldn't be based off a number.

If you're in the Trivia Section you're usually there to have a fun time right? So post count shouldn't matter to you.

But the thing is, some people like coming on and posting blocks of text because they like to, whereas others just post some lines for their post count.

Which is why I believe post count should only be able to be viewed by the user.

Spinor
April 15th, 2011, 04:11 AM
What... the... hell...

Don't you have anything better to do with your life than to care about a damn number on a Pokemon forum?

Noah Ridgewood
April 15th, 2011, 04:21 AM
In my old forum for a game that I used to visit, every post counted. Post count, as much as a lot of people would claim otherwise, often signifies respectability. People look to the users with 4,000 posts for an answer to a question before they look to someone with 50. The reason those are locked is to avoid people looking more respectable in the community than they are, if all they do is post in game threads.

I really like that the posts don't count, because it encourages you not to care about post count. I enjoy forums a lot and enjoy having a high post count, but I want my posts to be gotten by helping on the forums, answering questions, and having discussion related to the forums, not because I posted 1000+ times in the Count to Infinity.
I agree with this entire post, especially the bolded. And even if they're wrong in what they say, those are the people that are most likely to have an influence in what they say -- and the right answer -- when they answer someone's question, apart from a member of staff. I know I'm more inclined to believe someone with a high post count in something they say about the community than someone with only a handful or two posts if I'm new to a community and have know knowledge of it.

What... the... hell...

Don't you have anything better to do with your life than to care about a damn number on a Pokemon forum?
That's rather uncalled for. It's just a suggestion. :/

AshPikastar
April 15th, 2011, 04:30 AM
I don’t usually go to the Triva section but that is the game section am I right? Then I could see why that post counts are disabled. Just think about it; if post counts wasn’t disabled in the Triva then most of the members would most likely post their and then the other sections wouldn’t get that many members posting in that section. Everyone would be posting in the game section which isn’t really a quality post. There wouldn’t be that many good discussions either. My friend has a forum site and most of the members are posting in the game section/spam section which post counts aren’t disabled. The forum discussions started dying because they started moving towards those sections. Like most mentioned before; post counts shouldn’t matter to members. You should join if you like discussing about Pokémon and wanting to meet friends instead of just wanting a high number of post.

s0nido
April 15th, 2011, 05:20 AM
I've heard a lot about people saying that "post count doesn't matter". If it didn't matter, then there shouldn't be a problem enabling posts to be counted in the trivia sections. I like Pachy's point about how post-dependent perks would require a lot more posts since it would suddenly become easier to rack up post count.

I'm just here to say that post count in this forum isn't really a big deal, since the most important thing you'll need is probably the ability to post URLs and images, and you only need 15 posts for that. I'm happy the way things are, and if anyone wants a higher post count, they could always do what everyone else is doing and post in forums where it counts.

Ash
April 15th, 2011, 05:29 AM
As one of the Other Trivia mods (and the mod of Pokemon Trivia) I personally like the fact that there isn't a post count. If posts did start counting, then the rules would probably have to be stricter than some already think they are, and that would destroy the idea of having 'fun' in the Trivia section. The trivia sections are there to simply relax and have fun and (in the case of the counting/chatting threads we have) chill with other members. The relaxing environment of the Trivias is why I enjoy posting/modding the sections so much, and I'm afraid that if post count are added, it would destroy that relaxation, and the fun would be overlapped with a bunch of people going in just to increase their Post Count. We don't need that.

Captain Fabio
April 15th, 2011, 06:51 AM
If posts did start counting, then the rules would probably have to be stricter than some already think they are, and that would destroy the idea of having 'fun' in the Trivia section.

Spot on. That is exactly what I was thinking.
Because there is no post count currently, members go in there and take part for the fun of it, only getting enjoyment out of it instead of racking up their post count.
Personally, I feel that if the sections in question were to add to your post count, there would be so much more spam in those sections, because it is so easy to just add to your post count; I think it would hurt the section more than help.

I like how it is now and I don't think it should be changed, just my opinion.

Freedom Fighter N
April 15th, 2011, 07:57 AM
Post count, as much as a lot of people would claim otherwise, often signifies respectability
Agreed.
But then, I could spam other trivia with stupid posts or play a random game.. Yeah, I totally see me becomg a respectful user.
If it is seen as respectability, then it should be earned by actually participating in something and not who-knows-what-next like in other trivia. Respect has to be earned.

Alli
April 15th, 2011, 08:21 AM
I don’t usually go to the Triva section but that is the game section am I right? Then I could see why that post counts are disabled. Just think about it; if post counts wasn’t disabled in the Triva then most of the members would most likely post their and then the other sections wouldn’t get that many members posting in that section. Everyone would be posting in the game section which isn’t really a quality post. There wouldn’t be that many good discussions either. My friend has a forum site and most of the members are posting in the game section/spam section which post counts aren’t disabled. The forum discussions started dying because they started moving towards those sections. Like most mentioned before; post counts shouldn’t matter to members. You should join if you like discussing about Pokémon and wanting to meet friends instead of just wanting a high number of post.

So true. I can attest to this. I was on another forum where all posts count to your post count, and I rarely ever posted in actual discussion threads. I stuck to the game threads and most members and staff stuck to it as well. The other sections were almost completely dead.

As one of the Other Trivia mods (and the mod of Pokemon Trivia) I personally like the fact that there isn't a post count. If posts did start counting, then the rules would probably have to be stricter than some already think they are, and that would destroy the idea of having 'fun' in the Trivia section. The trivia sections are there to simply relax and have fun and (in the case of the counting/chatting threads we have) chill with other members. The relaxing environment of the Trivias is why I enjoy posting/modding the sections so much, and I'm afraid that if post count are added, it would destroy that relaxation, and the fun would be overlapped with a bunch of people going in just to increase their Post Count. We don't need that.

And this. We want the Trivia sections to stay light and friendly, and I feel that they already are.

But yeah, enabling the post count in those sections without it right now just wouldn't be a good idea. I've been beaten to the punch on my reasonings, but my biggest concern are the bots and spammers that join to advertise, post indecent content, troll, etc.

fenyx4
April 15th, 2011, 08:57 PM
What about "Topical Posts" or "Topic Posts"? They're on the topic of the forum for the most part.

:) That would be a perfect preface, expect for the problem that there are three subforums under Off-topic Discussions (Other Clubs, Other Voting Polls, and Other Chat) where post number does count, IIRC. Despite being in an "off-topic" subforum, posts in those areas are "on-topic", so to speak. Furthermore, the posts in the Wi-Fi Center subforum are technically "on-topic" as well.

Otherwise, a differentiating label such as "On-Topic post" and "Off-topic post" would be useful for the alternative option I suggested.

Disagree with the subset option... are posts so important that people need two different types of them? I don't think so. :S

Well, I guess one of the subsets could be hidden by default... :S

I've heard a lot about people saying that "post count doesn't matter". If it didn't matter, then there shouldn't be a problem enabling posts to be counted in the trivia sections.

Hmm...I don't know how I could properly explain this... :\

This is somewhat subjective - they don't matter in the whole scheme of things because they are simply just numerical records of data. However, they do matter in the sense that the minority of users who actually care about post count will likely flock to Pokemon Trivia and Other Trivia simply for the purpose of racking up their post count, and they destroy the air of "relaxation" that can currently be found in those trivia subforums. Posts aren't necessarily the problem here - it's the certain users in particular who happen to have a fervent mindset about increasing post count purely for the sake of a high post count.

As one of the Other Trivia mods (and the mod of Pokemon Trivia) I personally like the fact that there isn't a post count. If posts did start counting, then the rules would probably have to be stricter than some already think they are, and that would destroy the idea of having 'fun' in the Trivia section. The trivia sections are there to simply relax and have fun and (in the case of the counting/chatting threads we have) chill with other members. The relaxing environment of the Trivias is why I enjoy posting/modding the sections so much, and I'm afraid that if post count are added, it would destroy that relaxation, and the fun would be overlapped with a bunch of people going in just to increase their Post Count. We don't need that.

Well said. The "relaxing environment" may be a bit subjective to some, but I would say that it can be one of the pluses of visiting the Trivia Subforums. :)