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Perrie ✿
April 17th, 2011, 06:49 AM
So, which do you prefer? The nostalgic first Elite's? Or the Hoenn Quads? Which one and why?

Maybe the good ol' Kanto Elite 4; Consisting of Lorelei, Bruno, Agatha, Lance and of course, Blue! Who prefer the types of Ice, Fighting, Ghost, Dragon & Mixed.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/8f/FL_Lorelei.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/2/2a/FL_Bruno.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/81/FRLG_Agatha.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/0b/FL_Lance.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/6a/FL_Blue.png

Or, do you prefer the Elitist's from Hoenn? Sydney, Phoebe, Glacia, Drake, Steven and Wallace. Who prefer Dark, Ghost, Ice, Dragon, Steel and Water.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/ba/E_Sidney.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d7/E_Phoebe.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/00/E_Glacia.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/34/E_Drake.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/88/RS_Steven.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/b6/E-Wallace.png

Note: Steven is the champ in R/S Whilst Wallace is the Champ in Emerald.

~Wind~
April 17th, 2011, 09:26 AM
I prefer Hoenn's elite four, since they employ a mix of some of the strongest types (Minus wallace, though he does have the most plentiful type) and also feature both dark and steel, which both got thier 'real' type intro in 3rd gen, catching up with the other types in terms of moves, pokemon, etc.
The Kanto elite four isn't without it's charms, though.

AntiZero
April 17th, 2011, 09:30 AM
I prefer the Kanto Elite 4 as I'm more used to them. I always played Fire Red, and got to the Elite 4 many more times than I did in R/S/E.
The Hoenn E4 are total strangers to me.

Doppelgänger
April 17th, 2011, 12:18 PM
Kanto's elite four, not because it's the original, but because I just hate Hoenn's elite 4. It was boring and not much of a challenge for me.

Hoenn
April 17th, 2011, 02:40 PM
Hoenn has an intresting mix of types,

Ghost, Dark, Ice & Water (Emerald)

plus I prefere Hoenn to Kanto & the members are cooler ;)

thegeneticway
April 17th, 2011, 03:57 PM
I prefer the Hoenn 4. Mainly because their types are exotic and vibrant and I played Ruby and Sapphire more than FR and LG :D

TheGoddessOfDiscord
April 18th, 2011, 06:43 AM
Kanto Elite Four is propably the hardest one I've challenged, so Kanto.

Hoenn Elite Four is easily the easiest I've challenged so far.

Buggyo
April 18th, 2011, 07:05 AM
Kanto Elite Four is propably the hardest one I've challenged, so Kanto.

Hoenn Elite Four is easily the easiest I've challenged so far.

Agreed. Plus, I didn't find the members themselves terribly interesting.
Drake was clearly a Lance imitator, and the other members weren't memorable enough for me to name before seeing the images.

This may be nitpicking, but Kanto's champion theme was also far better than Hoenn's, both the Gen 1 and Gen 2 versions.

Dave_
April 18th, 2011, 07:09 AM
Kanto Kanto Kanto!
Regardless of how many playthroughs leading to their defeat I do they are always my favourite =D

fenyx4
April 18th, 2011, 08:49 AM
Agreed. Plus, I didn't find the members themselves terribly interesting.
Drake was clearly a Lance imitator, and the other members weren't memorable enough for me to name before seeing the images.

How does an old mustache pirate guy copy a redhead spy guy? Well, they imitate in type specialty and cape usage, I'll give you that. >_> I hated how Drake replaced a Flygon with Kingdra in Emerald, because Lance had one in his FireRed rematch team as well, and Juan has one on all his teams. And it feel like nearly everyone uses a Gyarados (Lance, Gary, and Wallace use one at some point).

So, which do you prefer? The nostalgic first Elite's? Or the Hoenn Quads? Which one and why?

Maybe the good ol' Kanto Elite 4; Consisting of Lorelei, Bruno, Agatha, Lance and of course, Blue! Who prefer the types of Ice, Fighting, Ghost, Dragon & Mixed.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/8f/FL_Lorelei.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/2/2a/FL_Bruno.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/81/FRLG_Agatha.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/0b/FL_Lance.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/6a/FL_Blue.png

Or, do you prefer the Elitist's from Hoenn? Sydney, Phoebe, Glacia, Drake, Steven and Wallace. Who prefer Dark, Ghost, Ice, Dragon, Steel and Water.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/ba/E_Sidney.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d7/E_Phoebe.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/00/E_Glacia.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/34/E_Drake.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/88/RS_Steven.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/b6/E-Wallace.png

Note: Steven is the champ in R/S Whilst Wallace is the Champ in Emerald.

I prefer the Hoenn Elite 4 and RS Champion. I mean, the Kanto Elite 4 starts out superior - Lorelei is like a freaking challenge with her team comprised of Water-types and Ice-types, Bruno is a freaking muscleman, Agatha is wise in years, Lance is BA and tames Dragon-types, and Gary is just Gary Fire-Truckin' Oak (with a diverse team as well).

Sidney and Phoebe seem to fall short to them, but then you get Glacia who poses a challenge, and Drake and Steven just mop the floor with challengers, primarily with Salamence and Metagross, so you have to deal with two "pseudo-legendaries", as opposed to only Lance's Dragonite in Kanto (though Gary snagged a Tyranitar for his FRLG rematch team). And Steven got even more BA in Emerald. He also strays away from Steel-types a bit, which is evident with his Claydol (Ground-type), Armaldo (Bug/Rock), and Cradily (Grass/Rock).

Wallace is cool, just not so much as a Champion. >_> Plus, it seems like the Hoenn Elite 4/Champion would have more chemistry than their Generation 1 Kanto counterparts. Also, Hoenn E4 is classic, as I am way more used to them.

The Kanto and Hoenn Elite 4 themes rival each other just as the Kanto and Hoenn Champion themes songs tie for me, though Steven's theme has a bit of an edge due to being a bit more fast-paced and intense.

In conclusion, the Hoenn Elite 4 and Champion rock a bit more!

-I admit, Hoenn's Elite 4 could have used much more leveling in Emerald for rematch teams. I mean, Gary's rematch team peaks at Level 75, and even Lorelei's weakest rematch team Pokemon is stronger than the Hoenn Champion's strongest Pokemon in Generation 3. Not to mention that two-fifths (2/5) of Lance's original team clear the Levels of the Hoenn Elite 4 and Champion effortlessly. Hopefully, there'll be drastic re-leveling in RS remakes. >.<

Buggyo
April 18th, 2011, 08:58 AM
How does an old mustache pirate guy copy a redhead spy guy? Well, they imitate in type specialty and cape usage, I'll give you that. >_> I hated how Drake replaced a Flygon with Kingdra in Emerald, because Lance had one in his FireRed rematch team as well, and Juan has one on all his teams. And it feel like nearly everyone uses a Gyarados (Lance, Gary, and Wallace use one at some point).


By copying I meant...well, he just doesn't seem to differentiate himself from Lance enough to be memorable for me. Also, why does an old sea captain dude use Dragons? XD
But I guess it really just comes down to which one you're more familiar with. To me, Sid is an inferior Karen, and Phoebe is an inferior Agatha. Type usage is the main factor for me that I compare people to.
And I'd agree that Wallace is not suited for a champion. Steven was fairly varied in Emerald (although still dominated by fire), and had more of a BA personality than Wallace. Wallace is just...flamboyant. :P

fenyx4
April 18th, 2011, 11:26 AM
By copying I meant...well, he just doesn't seem to differentiate himself from Lance enough to be memorable for me. Also, why does an old sea captain dude use Dragons? XD
But I guess it really just comes down to which one you're more familiar with. To me, Sid is an inferior Karen, and Phoebe is an inferior Agatha. Type usage is the main factor for me that I compare people to.
And I'd agree that Wallace is not suited for a champion. Steven was fairly varied in Emerald (although still dominated by fire), and had more of a BA personality than Wallace. Wallace is just...flamboyant. :P

I see what you mean, though; Lance and Drake do give off similar draconic vibes. They even occupy parallel positions (4th slot preceding the Champion) in their respective Leagues! XD And an old sea captain dude uses dragons because dragons are just...awesome. :D Plus, you have all those sea dragons and sea serpents swimming about that are comparative to the leviathan in power, so it makes sense...

I've only fought Karen in Pokemon Stadium 2 (barely), so I can't draw a good comparison of her to Sidney. Phoebe does seem a bit inferior to Agatha, but that's probably because of her Elite 4 ranking and because the Gengar line is classic. Furthermore, while Agatha got to pool Ghost and Poison-types, Phoebe was limited strictly to Ghost-types, of which there were only three Ghost families introduced in the Hoenn regional Dex.

Technically, she could have used Shedinja in her team as well (Bug/Ghost), which receives the same super-effective damage like regular Ghosts would. I guess due to Shedinja's frustrating ability, Wonder Guard, it was left out. It really shouldn't have been a problem, though - if you were already hitting Phoebe's Ghost-types for super-effective damage before, Shedinja is hardly a threat. It only becomes a problem when you don't have super-effective moves to KO it. Hope it returns in RS remakes.

Personally, I try not to judge Elite 4 members by type usage much, since there's a limited amount in the first place. XD Steven was indeed BA in like all of his appearances. And yeah, he was typically dominated by Fire-type moves - but woe to the Trainer who underestimates him and thinks they can sneak by the whole challenge with just a Fire-type; barring Skarmory, all of his Pokemon have moves that are super-effective against Fire-types. Wallace is quite flamboyant, though - but it works better when he is in Sootopolis Gym, not at EverGrande's Pokemon League headquarters. >_>

Buggyo
April 18th, 2011, 11:46 AM
I see what you mean, though; Lance and Drake do give off similar draconic vibes. They even occupy parallel positions (4th slot preceding the Champion) in their respective Leagues! XD And an old sea captain dude uses dragons because dragons are just...awesome. :D Plus, you have all those sea dragons and sea serpents swimming about that are comparative to the leviathan in power, so it makes sense...

I've only fought Karen in Pokemon Stadium 2 (barely), so I can't draw a good comparison of her to Sidney. Phoebe does seem a bit inferior to Agatha, but that's probably because of her Elite 4 ranking and because the Gengar line is classic. Furthermore, while Agatha got to pool Ghost and Poison-types, Phoebe was limited strictly to Ghost-types, of which there were only three Ghost families introduced in the Hoenn regional Dex.

Technically, she could have used Shedinja in her team as well (Bug/Ghost), which receives the same super-effective damage like regular Ghosts would. I guess due to Shedinja's frustrating ability, Wonder Guard, it was left out. It really shouldn't have been a problem, though - if you were already hitting Phoebe's Ghost-types for super-effective damage before, Shedinja is hardly a threat. It only becomes a problem when you don't have super-effective moves to KO it. Hope it returns in RS remakes.

Personally, I try not to judge Elite 4 members by type usage much, since there's a limited amount in the first place. XD Steven was indeed BA in like all of his appearances. And yeah, he was typically dominated by Fire-type moves - but woe to the Trainer who underestimates him and thinks they can sneak by the whole challenge with just a Fire-type; barring Skarmory, all of his Pokemon have moves that are super-effective against Fire-types. Wallace is quite flamboyant, though - but it works better when he is in Sootopolis Gym, not at EverGrande's Pokemon League headquarters. >_>

I suppose that does explain the Kingdra he has in Emerald(?). :P

As for Phoebe vs. Agatha, I was pretty much comparing them based on their characters. A creepy old woman seems more...ghostly? than a girl dressed for a beach outing. XD As frustrating as it would be, I would have liked to see Shedinja in her roster. It would have made her more interesting. I agree that it should make an appearance in the R/S remakes.

I remember kinda dominating Steven with a Salamence with Flamethrower...nevertheless, his team was certainly more balanced than Wallace's. He did fit in very well as the gym leader of Sootopolis, and actually liked him as a character. Just not as a champion. XD


I don't remember if this has been mentioned, but Bruno was actually fairly disappointing in that he used as many Rock types as fighting types. Granted, he used all the [fully evolved] Fighting types in the game, but I guess I'd have liked to see Tauros or something instead of Onix. I did like his HG/SS roster very much, however.

fenyx4
April 18th, 2011, 12:22 PM
I suppose that does explain the Kingdra he has in Emerald(?). :P

As for Phoebe vs. Agatha, I was pretty much comparing them based on their characters. A creepy old woman seems more...ghostly? than a girl dressed for a beach outing. XD As frustrating as it would be, I would have liked to see Shedinja in her roster. It would have made her more interesting. I agree that it should make an appearance in the R/S remakes.

I remember kinda dominating Steven with a Salamence with Flamethrower...nevertheless, his team was certainly more balanced than Wallace's. He did fit in very well as the gym leader of Sootopolis, and actually liked him as a character. Just not as a champion. XD


I don't remember if this has been mentioned, but Bruno was actually fairly disappointing in that he used as many Rock types as fighting types. Granted, he used all the [fully evolved] Fighting types in the game, but I guess I'd have liked to see Tauros or something instead of Onix. I did like his HG/SS roster very much, however.

LOL...it somewhat explains the Kingdra. I still think way too many people use Kingdra though (and I just remembered that Claire uses one too, just like her cousin does. >.<)

Yeah, Agatha's physical appearance complements Ghost-type Pokemon better than Phoebe's Hawaiian-like, joyous appearance. But Phoebe is hot, so yeah. I'll take a hot Ghost-type specialist Elite 4 lady over a creepy old Ghost-type specialist E4 lady any day. :3

Shedinja would be perfect for Phoebe's roster, and would also let people confront the ability in-game. I remember back in Generation 3 when one of my friends whipped out a Shedinja against another friend he was battling, everyone was confused about why it kept avoiding damage. The limited Gen 3 ability flavor text hardly helped. XD

Eh, with Salamence, of course you're going to dominate stuff; LOL. And excluding Whiscash and Shiftry, Wallace was basically "Thunderbolt spam!" ad nauseum. >_>

Bruno only used two Rock-types (2 Onix), and he had three Fighting-types in his original roster (Hitmonchan, Hitmonlee, and Machamp)! +1 Fighting-type Pokemon, as I see it! Though I kind of like Bruno's usage of rock/metallic Pokemon, as it hints at his fighting ability, being able to shatter boulders as if they were made of crackers. Or something.

Avoiding Bruno's HGSS team(s) to avert spoilers. >>

2Cool4Mewtwo
April 18th, 2011, 02:14 PM
Lorelei > Glacia
Bruno > Sidney
Agatha > Phoebe
Lance > Drake
Gary kida even with steven (rhyme :D), but definitely Gary > Wallace

Plus in Emerald you had a chance to catch rayquaza level 70 before challenging E4 so they should've been almost no match at all... (I've played Emerald... only with VBA :P)

Misheard Whisper
April 18th, 2011, 04:17 PM
Kanto, simply because I can't even remember who was in the Hoenn E4.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™
April 20th, 2011, 10:29 AM
Kanto because they left more of an impact on me. I've all but forgotten the Hoenn Elite Four, but Kanto's are like very familiar faces to me.

s0nido
April 24th, 2011, 04:51 AM
I've played FireRed a lot more than I've played Emerald, and I'm a lot more familiar with FireRed's Elite Four than Emerald's. I also think that FR/LG's Elite Four are better because they have higher-levelled Pokemon that are easier to defeat than Emerald's. Therefore, they'll end up yielding more EXP while still being easy to beat and allowing me to churn out a lot of lv100 Pokemon a lot faster.

The Void
April 29th, 2011, 10:21 PM
Definitely Kanto. They are more powerful than Hoenn E4.
In FireRed and LeafGreen, most of the E4's Pokémon are like Level 60 plus plus! Not to mention Blue. He'll kick Wallace's/Steven's butt anyday...

In Emerald, the E4's Pokémon's maximum level is 54... It's not much of a challenge. I could beat them on first try in 2-3 minutes! No need for special items unlike the Kanto E4, where you would still require Revives, Full Restores, etc. no matter what level you're in!

Binary
April 29th, 2011, 11:27 PM
Hoenn's E4 was the first E4 I faced (Ruby was my first Pokemon game XD;). And it took me quite a few tries before I could beat the E4. Yes, I was quite the noob. So yeah, they're all pretty familiar faces to me. I love Kanto's E4 too, but I'll just go with Hoenn's E4 on this occasion.

Andrew1989
April 30th, 2011, 04:36 AM
So, which do you prefer? The nostalgic first Elite's? Or the Hoenn Quads? Which one and why?

Maybe the good ol' Kanto Elite 4; Consisting of Lorelei, Bruno, Agatha, Lance and of course, Blue! Who prefer the types of Ice, Fighting, Ghost, Dragon & Mixed.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/8f/FL_Lorelei.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/2/2a/FL_Bruno.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/81/FRLG_Agatha.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/0b/FL_Lance.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/6a/FL_Blue.png

Or, do you prefer the Elitist's from Hoenn? Sydney, Phoebe, Glacia, Drake, Steven and Wallace. Who prefer Dark, Ghost, Ice, Dragon, Steel and Water.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/ba/E_Sidney.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d7/E_Phoebe.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/00/E_Glacia.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/34/E_Drake.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/88/RS_Steven.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/b6/E-Wallace.png

Note: Steven is the champ in R/S Whilst Wallace is the Champ in Emerald.

Pretty much the Hoenn Elite Four.

Not because of it's unique typing (ie: Dark, Ghost, Ice, Dragon, Steel, Water), but because how difficult they are compared to what the Kanto Elite Four is. Let's also not forget moveset choices as well.

I'm sorry if I can't come up with anything else other than this. But I quite enjoyed Hoenn's E4 despite them being the only E4 to not get a boost. That and the music is quite better than the Kanto E4 as well.

Ces soirees-la
April 30th, 2011, 06:04 AM
I think that Kanto wins in my opinion, mainly because I hate Hoenn's Pokemon.

LightOfTruth
May 1st, 2011, 08:22 AM
Kanto E4 is good for a challenge first time and are just more fun overall
Hoenn's E4 I find good because I don't need to buy any items and I can save my money

Venusaur♣
May 1st, 2011, 08:57 AM
Kantos Elite 4.
They're a lot stronger. They have better Pokemon and they are more nostalgic. :x

PlatinumDude
May 1st, 2011, 07:44 PM
Kanto's E4 because you get to battle your rival in the end.

banngr
May 1st, 2011, 10:46 PM
This is a flawed argument. People keep saying how they like Hoenn's interesting mix of types...some of those types didn't exist Gen I. Anyhow, I prefer Gen I...just cuz XD

NeroTH
May 2nd, 2011, 02:46 PM
I, myself, prefer Kanto's. Higher Levels, PLUS the fact that they get stronger the more you beat them, where as the Hoenn E4 is set at static levels between the low 40's to mid 50's no matter HOW frequently you destroy them.
In Emerald, Steven takes the cake though. He may not be the Hoenn E4 Champ in Emerald (being replaced by that water-treading Wallace), but his Pokemon are in the upper 70's when you face him in Meteor Falls.
But without a doubt, Kanto's E4 is superior to Hoenn's.
Lorelei >>>> Glacia
Bruno >>>>> Sidney
Agatha << Phoebe (Give Phoebe Agatha's team along with her Lv. 52 Dusclops and a Sableye and I'll give her that. Plus she's young and HOT. Don't judge me. =.=)
Lance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drake
Gary MOTHERTRUCKIN' Oak = Steven (Steven with his Emerald Team)
Gary MOTHERTRUCKIN' Oak >(x70) Wallace (Mainly because Wallace was a LOT easier than Steven was in R/S.)

BHwolfgang
May 2nd, 2011, 03:10 PM
The only challenge I had with the Hoenn Elite Four was Steven, and he was replaced with Wallace in Emerald. Plus, Hoenn's Elite Four is extremely easy to take down if you chose Blaziken.

However, for the Kanto's Elite Four, it was a little bit harder. Although having a Charizard as your starter makes defeating the first, second, and fourth Elite Four easier, I still found it more challenging. Blue was the toughest, especially with his mixed team. The great thing about the Kanto Elite Four was that they all have stronger Pokemons the next time you challenge them again.

ZetaLegacies
May 9th, 2011, 04:19 AM
Kanto elite 4 FTW!
It was the first time I beat the elite 4 ever.
They were the hardest elite 4 as well because they use the strongest, rarest, and most badass pokemon in the game.
For example:
Lorelei had the freaking loch ness monster (Lapras)
Bruno had a goro clone (Machamp)
Agatha had demonic spirits (Gengar)
and Lance was Lance, his whole team was badass.

Jubilation
May 9th, 2011, 11:57 PM
I always prefered the Elite Four in Hoen. Most likely because I loved Hoen the most out of every region hehe.

TheGr8
May 10th, 2011, 01:21 AM
Kanto, The first Elite Four I had to play against. Hoenn would be my second favorite though, so it's hard to choose.

clarify
May 13th, 2011, 10:20 AM
Honestly, I like both, but Kanto wins simply because Blue is the best Champion ever. Period.

XtinaIsMeLuvinWWE
May 13th, 2011, 05:34 PM
As much as it pains me to admit it, because I love Hoenn SO much more than Kanto, I would have to say I prefer Kanto's Elite Four by a smidge, a couple of the members just seem to stand out more, or something.

LatiasSoulDew
May 14th, 2011, 01:27 AM
I prefer Kanto Elite 4 than Hoenn Elite 4.

SuperSaiyanII
May 27th, 2011, 11:19 AM
The only thing I can say I liked about Hoenn's E4 was facing Steven after you beat them. I'm not too fond of the Kanto E4 either but in this situation I'll have to side with them.

solarowl
June 6th, 2011, 05:48 PM
I prefer Kanto's E4 over Hoenn's for a few reasons.
1. Kanto's E4 had higher levels.
2. Kanto's E4 had types (or characters) I liked.
3. Lance gave me more of a challenge then most of Hoenn's E4.

Hilbert
June 6th, 2011, 11:18 PM
Hoenn cause Emerald was my first game...

Imperator161
June 7th, 2011, 04:37 PM
I prefer Kanto's Elite Four, mainly for nostalgia value. I haven't actually gone through the 3rd gen Kanto Elite Four too many times, but whenever I battle those trainers, they remind me of my first few times beating the Elite Four back on Red Version. I've also never been a fan of Hoenn's Elite Four--the trainers have never appealed to me much, and Steven's definitely not one of my favorite champions.

Overall, I prefer the mix of Elite Four members in the Johto-based games better than the original Kanto members, but as the original Kanto Elite Four contains several of the same members (I'm especially partial to Lance), Kanto still ranks above Hoenn on the Elite Four scale.

luigi123
June 24th, 2011, 03:55 PM
I vote Kanto because it was the first elite4 I faced (but lost) and I like all the members ( but lorelie who I lost to):\

Greenbeans
June 24th, 2011, 04:38 PM
to be truthfull i really like the kanto e4 because they are origonal and the hoen e4 to me kind of seemed kind of phoney and cheezy and i little too dressed up where the kanto e4 was cool and looked like really awsome pokemon trainers

RHIOneAlbum
June 24th, 2011, 04:55 PM
HOENN!
Wallace as the champ though so you can have that epic battle with Steven in the post game.

Lashh
June 24th, 2011, 08:32 PM
I definitely prefer the Kanto Elite 4 over the Hoenn Elite 4. I'm not gonna lie, the Hoenn E4 was tricky to beat the first time around, but I had to do so much more training to defeat the Kanto E4. You have to be ready and know it if you want to defeat them.

Amore
June 25th, 2011, 04:18 AM
Well, first of all: Kanto's Elite Four are just as good, with high levels, not actually sticking to their typings (Agatha, Lance), and a mixed Champion (Blue). Lance's Dragons are almost impossible to defeat with under-levelled teams, and you'll no doubt use so many items that it's really hard to fight Blue. I'm one of the billions of people who thinks Lance is awesome too. But lets be honest, he's much better with three Dragonites (That somehow levelled down upon evolution :P) and a Charizard (The greatest starter of all time).

However, I prefer Hoenn's Elite Four, for various regions. Firstly, they were my first Elite Four. Secondly, they have brilliant pokémon. I mean, Sidney has some lethal attackers in Absol, Shiftry, Crawdaunt, and Cacturne, and his Mightyena's Intimidate makes it even harder to defeat them, particularly as Fighting and Bug are physical types. Phoebe's Ghosts are really tough - three defensive behemoths, two who pack a punch (Dusclops), and one with no weaknesses (Sableye). Banette are really lethal, and not only is this team tough to take down, but with a combination of Pressure, Protect and Grudge, Phoebe successfully removes most of your PP making it that much harder to battle the others. Glacia does pretty well considering the many weaknesses of the Ice-type, and I personally love all of her pokémon. Drake's dragons are equally as tough to take down as Lance's dragons, and his Salamence is possibly more destructive than Lance's Dragonite. Oh, and Wallace (I played Emerald), despite being a mono-type champion, is extremely tough. I mean, you have Wailord with its' massive Hp and Water Spout, Ludicolo with Double Team and a sole weakness to Flying, Gyarados with its Intimidate and general destructiveness, Tentacruel and Whiscash with their odd combination of weaknesses - one is immune to Electric, the other isn't weak to Grass, and Milotic, the godly pokémon with a massive special defense to counter its' two weaknesses and plenty of attacking power too.

The fact that in Emerald you then get to battle Steven at even higher levels than Blue's team, in a region where no trainers stray above lv.60, and only gym leaders on their limited rematches and the Elite Four hit lv.50+, means that Hoenn's Elite Four and Champion, particularly if you include Steven either in RS or E, with his epicly defensive Steels and Fossils, are really tough still. Combine this with my own personal love of Emerald and the part of my childhood it represents, and Hoenn wins hands down for me.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~
June 25th, 2011, 11:00 AM
For me its 100% The Hoenn Pokemon league because it has a more variety of Pokemon and trainers. But the real reason is because of one of the Elite Four members being a Ghost type trainer which is my favorite type of Pokemon


:t354:TG

Noxxford, Bringer of Confusion
June 25th, 2011, 01:45 PM
Hoenn's E4 was INSANELY easy! Pheobe was a joke, Sydney was a pushover, Drake failed with his weak Shelgons, and Glacia was a weakling. Steven put up a fight for 2 minutes and lost. Honestly, they made the E4 way too easy if you picked Blaziken. It's basically designed to streamroll them.
Kanto, however, was a very different story. I got stuck on Lorelei, that cruel user of Ice-Types, many many many times. Bruno wasn't too hard, but Agatha's Gengars were annoyingly hard. Then we have Lance, who packed not only a Dragonite, but an Aerodactyl and a Gyarados! Then there was Gary. Gary Mothereffin' Oak. That Alakazam was a NIGHTMARE, his Gyarados was quite the sight as well.
All in all, Hoenn's E4 is a pathetic excuse for a challenge, and Kanto is just something else entirely.

竜の子
June 25th, 2011, 02:10 PM
From Nostalgia's Experience(GenI) the only problem of GenI too me was te rival and lance,I soloed the rest with one haunter many times,so my guess would be Hoenn E4 as i never played FRLG

Flashmeteor
June 26th, 2011, 07:38 AM
I'll have to go with Kanto purely based on the fact that they were the first E4 I ever faced. And Hoenn's E4 is way too easy. At least in Emerald with a Rayquaza. xD

Atomic Pirate
July 7th, 2011, 02:02 PM
So, which do you prefer? The nostalgic first Elite's? Or the Hoenn Quads? Which one and why?

Maybe the good ol' Kanto Elite 4; Consisting of Lorelei, Bruno, Agatha, Lance and of course, Blue! Who prefer the types of Ice, Fighting, Ghost, Dragon & Mixed.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/8f/FL_Lorelei.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/2/2a/FL_Bruno.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/81/FRLG_Agatha.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/0b/FL_Lance.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/6a/FL_Blue.png

Or, do you prefer the Elitist's from Hoenn? Sydney, Phoebe, Glacia, Drake, Steven and Wallace. Who prefer Dark, Ghost, Ice, Dragon, Steel and Water.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/ba/E_Sidney.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d7/E_Phoebe.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/00/E_Glacia.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/34/E_Drake.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/88/RS_Steven.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/b6/E-Wallace.png

Note: Steven is the champ in R/S Whilst Wallace is the Champ in Emerald.

What are you talking about, Agatha specializes in Poison, not Ghost. I never understood why she is known as the master of Ghost types, because the Gastly line are part Poison and she uses some non-Ghost poison Pokemon. The E4 rematch helps this by giving her a Misdreavus, though. Anyways, I prefer the Hoenn E4. They specialize in some of the most interesting and rare Pokemon types.

GStheHero
July 7th, 2011, 02:18 PM
Kanto's Elite Four has always seemed much more challenging to me. So I think I'll go with them.

DowntownDumpling
July 12th, 2011, 03:28 AM
I prefer Hoenn's Elite Four. Kanto... ngeh. I mean, of course, they're classic, but I don't think they ordered them in the best way (aside from the Pokemon's levels). Anyway, I don't like it how Bruno has two Onixes.

Mentalii
July 12th, 2011, 06:40 AM
I prefer Hoenn Elite Four, just for the mythical theme song :p
And 'coz I find it harder than the Kanto E4 (Damn Phoebe).

Pokemon Game Fan
July 12th, 2011, 10:08 AM
They're both awesome, although I like Kanto's more for several reasons, including the fact that your rival is the champion afterwards and it's like "Ash vs. Gary on the big arena for the championship" and plus, Kanto's has Lance, Lance is one of the best trainers ever. 8)

DowntownDumpling
July 12th, 2011, 01:58 PM
They're both awesome, although I like Kanto's more for several reasons, including the fact that your rival is the champion afterwards and it's like "Ash vs. Gary on the big arena for the championship" and plus, Kanto's has Lance, Lance is one of the best trainers ever. 8)

That's true, but I never understood why you didn't become the de facto champion yourself. Even once you've beaten Gary and gone through his whole shpiel, he still won't step down.

moonlightning
July 13th, 2011, 07:52 PM
Kanto because Blaziken can rip through everyone in Hoenn besides Wallace with ease. Kanto had much more dangerous Pokemon in it like Gengar, Dragonite, Gyarados and a Starter. The levels in Kanto are significantly higher and they have cool rematch teams.

Pokemon Game Fan
July 13th, 2011, 10:40 PM
That's true, but I never understood why you didn't become the de facto champion yourself. Even once you've beaten Gary and gone through his whole shpiel, he still won't step down.

Lol I know huh.
Oh well, good anyway. :)

Guy
July 18th, 2011, 10:40 AM
Hoenn's E4 was the first E4 I faced (Ruby was my first Pokemon game XD;). And it took me quite a few tries before I could beat the E4. Yes, I was quite the noob. So yeah, they're all pretty familiar faces to me. I love Kanto's E4 too, but I'll just go with Hoenn's E4 on this occasion.
My thoughts exactly! Except, while it did take me a few tries to beat the Elite Four in Hoenn, it took me a lot longer just to find my way through Victory Road.

tente2
July 18th, 2011, 11:05 AM
Heonn in a heartbeat. I hate the Kanto squad with the burning passion of a thousand suns.

Lorelei was cool, but Luno was the most embarrassing thing that´s ever happened to Pokemon (I was furious they brought him back in HG, but Lorelei didn´t make the cut. In fact, I was furious G and HG leeched off Kanto´s success in the first place). Agatha might have been some less important NPC in my mind, Lance...isn´t even worth talking about, he´s so lame, and Blue...I wanted to rip my eyeballs off.

The Heonn group was much more decent, yet I´m angry that they are completely irrelevant to the story. They didn´t have a E4, so they made one up on the spot, with absolutely no background and never to be heard of again. They were nothing but plot devices.

死神さま
July 18th, 2011, 12:19 PM
Hoenn

Ice woman fails
Phoebe Heh
Syddy meh
Drake heh

Steven OK
Wallace Meh

Kanto

Ice woman Spam Thunderbolt/FIre attack
Bruno Watyer/Grass take care
Agatha Psychic OHKO
Lance ICe and Thunder OHKO
Rival Meh

So Hoenn

Nakuzami
July 18th, 2011, 02:45 PM
So, which do you prefer? The nostalgic first Elite's? Or the Hoenn Quads? Which one and why?

Maybe the good ol' Kanto Elite 4; Consisting of Lorelei, Bruno, Agatha, Lance and of course, Blue! Who prefer the types of Ice, Fighting, Ghost, Dragon & Mixed.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/8f/FL_Lorelei.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/2/2a/FL_Bruno.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/81/FRLG_Agatha.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/0b/FL_Lance.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/6a/FL_Blue.png

Or, do you prefer the Elitist's from Hoenn? Sydney, Phoebe, Glacia, Drake, Steven and Wallace. Who prefer Dark, Ghost, Ice, Dragon, Steel and Water.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/ba/E_Sidney.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d7/E_Phoebe.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/00/E_Glacia.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/34/E_Drake.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/88/RS_Steven.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/b6/E-Wallace.png

Note: Steven is the champ in R/S Whilst Wallace is the Champ in Emerald.

Lorelei: <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3 She is completely amazing. And the fact that Will replaces her in GSC and HGSS makes me hate Will by default.
Bruno: ...Yeah, sure, whatever.
Agatha: Cool old lady with cooler Ghosts. She wins.
Lance: With that sprite he looks horrid. I hate his look overall, and I don't really care for him.
Blue: Yeah, he's cool, but he's not as great as someone like Lorelei.

Sydney: Hi Mr. Australian!!!!! BTW, you're weird. I don't remember ever really facing you, you're just that forgetable. I only remember your name because it's Sydney.
Pheobe: You look like ****. Bye ****.
Glacia: Agatha hits you in your face with her cane. You are better than others though.
Drake: ...You need a peg leg :3 You're almost coolio though :3

Hoenn
July 18th, 2011, 05:31 PM
Nice captions for them all ;)

Yeah, I prefere Hoenn Elite Four, it's a better mix of types, but that's just my opinion, I do like Kanto E4 ofc just Hoenn slightly beats them for me, it would be better if they were rematchable 60-70's, hopefully in an R/S/E remake. I do agree that Lorelei is beautiful <3

Jarred0809
July 18th, 2011, 06:38 PM
Kanto. Pokémon Sapphire was the first game I played, and without any real experience in the series I was able to pwn the Elite 4 on my first try. Kanto's Elite 4 made me practice, train, and try different tactics until I finally figured out a way to beat Blue.

Hoenn is still my favorite region.

Trainer Kathleen
August 12th, 2011, 03:24 PM
Kanto's elite four, not because it's the original, but because I just hate Hoenn's elite 4. It was boring and not much of a challenge for me.

Same here. I've beaten the Hoenn E4 more times than I can count. I find Kanto much more difficult, and have only beaten them once or twice.

Super Red
August 13th, 2011, 10:41 AM
I prefer the Hoenn Elite Four because I am used to it more than the Kanto Elite Four. I've played through Ruby and Emerald way more times than Fire Red.

Simmy93
August 13th, 2011, 10:58 AM
I prefer Hoenn and i'm not sure why. I played through Emerald for the first time in years and totally forgot about the members of the Elite four bar Wallace. It was amazing, like a new game!

MotherPunker970
August 15th, 2011, 12:25 PM
kanto definatively,they left more impact on me and were harder if you ask me...i completely destroyed the champ and e4 in emerald,while in fire red lalilulelo girl and lance were such a pain...and maybe agathas gengars too,but not nearly as much as these two...on the other hand,hoenn elite 4 has an awesome beat,while kanto has a normal gym leader song,but then kanto has a waaaay better final boss theme than hoenn...

Kevin
August 15th, 2011, 03:35 PM
I dunno why but I just liked Hoenn. I liked the typing of the Elite Four members (Dark, Ghost, Ice, and Dragon). They looked unique also, so yeah. And I liked how there were two champions.

I also like the Elite Four battle theme better.