YGO:That was then, This is now

[KLS]

i plan on coming back to YGO, and i have my deck set, now ever since the banning, i gave up on Yata, but first i want you guys to check out a deck, i created before i quit Yu-Gi-Oh.
Dragon:That was Then
1x BEWD
3x Dragon dwelling in Cave
2x Lord Of D.
1x Twin Headed Behemoth
1x Luster Dragon (before the other Luster Dragon was released)
1x Cave Dragon
1x Yata-Garasu (long live yata)
3x Spear Dragon
3x Troop Dragon
1x Witch of The Black Forest
1x Sangan
1x Cyber Jar
1x Tyrant Dragon
(20 monsters)

1x Imperial Order
1x Magic Cylinder
1x Mirror Force
2x Dragon Rage
1x Call Of The Haunted
1x Skull Lair (before the ruling was changed to removing monsters only)
(7 traps)

1x Raigeki
2x Flute Of Summoning Dragon
1x Harpie's Feather Duster
1x Change Of Heart
1x Dark hole
1x Pot Of Greed
1x Graceful Charity
1x Mystical Space Typhoon
1x Premature Burial
1x United We Stand
1x Noblemen Of Crossout
1x Monster Reborn
(13 "spells")

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Dragon:This Is Now

1x BEWD
3x Dragon dwelling in Cave
2x Lord Of D
1x Twin Headed Behemoth
1x Kaiser Glider
3x Luster Dragon (the second one)
3x Spear Dragon
3x Troop Dragon
1x Cyber Jar
1x Tyrant Dragon
1x Fiber Jar
(20 Monsters)

2x Magic Jammer
1x Torrential Tribute
1x Call Of The Haunted
1x Ring Of Destruction
3x Waboku
2x Dust Tornado
(9 Traps)

2x Fissure
1x Heavy Storm
2x Flute Of Summoning Dragon
1x Change Of Heart
1x Mystical Space Typhoon
1x Premature Burial
1x Nobleman Of Crossout
1x Snatch Steal
1x Mage Power
(11 "spells")

[Mullet]

Are you aware of the new bans and the limited list, MST is now limited to one, and Mirror Force is banned, take out the Mirror force and add in a Cursed seal of the Forrbidden Spell, and take out a Magic Jammer for one more cursed Seal. Take out Cyber Jar for a Call of the Haunted, Cyber can really hurt or help you but I don't really like him. Take out the 2 MSTs that are not needed because it's limited to one now, and add 2 Fissure. I think you should also take out a Crossout for another Dust Tornado. Even though it's a Dragon Deck I like the staple moster, that no one likes anymore, Jinzo, I really don't think you need 3 Troop Dragons, so 2 is enough, so take one out and add Jinzo.

Hope this helps!

[KLS]

ok i edited it, however i'd like to keep the troop dragons
i seem to have taken a liking to them, Jinzo is a great card, but i don't like Jinzo, so that's why i choose not to add him :( .

[Mullet]

I still don't see why you like Cyber Jar.

[KLS]

because Cyber Jar is a situational card,
and i don't know about where you live but in Cali it's extremely poular.

[Mullet]

Situational cards are bad, I live in Virginia, and Call is so much better than Cyber Jar,I have 18 monsters in my deck and it works fine! :D

[KLS]

if you haven't noticed Call Of The Haunted is in my deck so...
and once again that is your opinion, i favor Cyber Jar.

[Mullet]

[font=tahoma]Did you put that in when you edited it?

It is my opinion but Cyber Jar is ikey, try an MOF in place of that and see how you likw it, some people like to use Cyber Jar in my area too, but it doen't help them much, and there the best players around here, they seem to always draw it and I use Crossout on it![font]

[KLS]

nope, it was originally there.
Mullet, there is no way that i will remove Cyber Jar, i'm telling you, i like that card so i'm not going to remove it *sighs*.

[Mullet]

Fine, keep it in there, but MOF and her magic recycling ability is better.

Also, where is you POG? Every deck needs one!

[KLS]

Once again that is solely your opinion.

What's POG?

[Mullet]

I know that's my opinion, all my suggestions are my opinion.

Pot of Greed, dude. I think you should take out a Flute for it because POG is awesome.

[KLS]

i thought it's banned.
lol
well i'll add it anyways.

[Pogiforce-14]

if yotu can, take out magic jammer for spell sheild type 8. it has the same effect without having to discard.

[Mullet]

if yotu can, take out magic jammer for spell sheild type 8. it has the same effect without having to discard.

Spell Shield Type 8 has two effects, it's a Magic Jammer, but you still have to discard, and it negates and destroys a magic card that designates one monster as a target, the second effect is the one that you don't have to discard a card for. :D

[Vagabond Aeon]

SST-8 has an error. You have to discard a MAGIC card to use it's Magic Jammer effect.

[Orochi Breakwing]

Spell Shield Type 8 has two effects, it's a Magic Jammer, but you still have to discard, and it negates and destroys a magic card that designates one monster as a target, the second effect is the one that you don't have to discard a card for. :D

ACTUALLY....

Spell Sheild is kinda not worth it anymore sinve its been errata'd. You have to discard a SPELL in order to use the "jammer" effect. And Curse Seal is kinda useless too, seeing as how youre dropping a valuable SPELL...

Methinks spells are the backbone of YGO, so I REALLY dont like to willingly discard them. IMO Jammer is the card to go with. Though Magic Drain is better for control (I think you should try running a couple if you already arent, Pogi)

And Im behind you ALL THE WAY on the Cyber Jar thing. Only card I see that lets you pop all monsters on the field AND lets you "pick up" 5 cards. Mmm....And hes nice enough to let you summon a few monsters too. And even better, you can send him home with a well placed Compulsory Evacuation Device and do it all over again.

Anyway, its pretty good so far. Yeh.

[Ranusha]

Some of the new cards are duds. They just copied them from some of the classics. I stick with the classics and nothing else.

[Orochi Breakwing]

Like the ALMIGHTY Waboku. Old School to the fullest. But if you run mostly old school, you might be in for a THRASHING....

[Dsaerno]

Just as a question- how many Waboku's can you have in a deck? The max 3, or less?

Also, when you use cards like Enchanted Javelin, is the monster destroyed afterward, or does it still live? Just asking...

[Ranusha]

Like the ALMIGHTY Waboku. Old School to the fullest. But if you run mostly old school, you might be in for a THRASHING....
Hey!! I only use the cards that I know about. Ex.. Royal Decree. Now I can easily thrash you with that! ;) *grows fire wings again* This habit never goes away!! :( Oh, and KLS, don't call me a flaming idiot ever again.

[KLS]

Just as a question- how many Waboku's can you have in a deck? The max 3, or less?

Also, when you use cards like Enchanted Javelin, is the monster destroyed afterward, or does it still live? Just asking...

nope, enchanted javelin basically means you take 0 damage, so the creature doesn't die.

@ranusha, i never implied you were a flaming idiot, i don't know if you changed however, i did not like the way you posted so...

[Mullet]

ACTUALLY....

Spell Sheild is kinda not worth it anymore sinve its been errata'd. You have to discard a SPELL in order to use the "jammer" effect. And Curse Seal is kinda useless too, seeing as how youre dropping a valuable SPELL...

Methinks spells are the backbone of YGO, so I REALLY dont like to willingly discard them. IMO Jammer is the card to go with. Though Magic Drain is better for control (I think you should try running a couple if you already arent, Pogi)

And Im behind you ALL THE WAY on the Cyber Jar thing. Only card I see that lets you pop all monsters on the field AND lets you "pick up" 5 cards. Mmm....And hes nice enough to let you summon a few monsters too. And even better, you can send him home with a well placed Compulsory Evacuation Device and do it all over again.

Anyway, its pretty good so far. Yeh.

The point was Spell Shield has two effects, and Curse Seal is a very good card, and even better after you use Fiber Jar, because if they draw the card then, they can't use it. If your worried about dropping a good spell don't use Curse Seal, or run MOF over Cyber, no drawbacks to MOF like with Cyber, I've seen people in a bad postion and make it worse, for themselfs, like today for example, it happened to my friend several times today! :D

[KLS]

nah, i'm going old school, so forget about the new cards, and i mean old school, none of that cursed seal stuff, i'm going straight out old school dragons

[Mullet]

I regret to inform you, and if you don't mind me saying this than, if you go all straight out Old School Dragons, your going to most likely get SLAUGHTERED.

[Orochi Breakwing]

nope, enchanted javelin basically means you take 0 damage, so the creature doesn't die.

@ranusha, i never implied you were a flaming idiot, i don't know if you changed however, i did not like the way you posted so...

Uhm. NO.

Enchanted Javelin doesent negate the attack, so you gain the life points before the monster gets popped. Its best used when a monster is in DEF mode, that way, you gain a bunch and lose nothing.

Waboku is non restricted, therefore, you can use 3 of them.

Let us not forget that Curse Seal is a double edged sword, as you cannot use the spell you discarded, so youd be doing to yourself the same thing you did to them. ESPECIALLY after Fiber Jar.

And yes. Most old school dragons are 1600 and WEAKER. With NO EFFECTS. New skool dragons are the way to go.

[Mullet]

It never said anthing about that on the official website for YGO and if it doesn't say it up there then I don't belive it.

[KLS]

I regret to inform you, and if you don't mind me saying this than, if you go all straight out Old School Dragons, your going to most likely get SLAUGHTERED.

then let me get slaughtered, because that is all your opinion, i'm ready to face the consequences of my actions, so if you do not wish to have anything positive to say, than please leave, i was waiting for some constructive critism but all i've been hearing from you lately, is about how i should run my deck....

[Mullet]

I was just informing you of the most likely fact of what is probally going to happen, it was constructive critism at first but you didn't want to do what I suggested, and then you said you wanted to run old school dragons, congrats on a theme deck, and if it can bet vets at this game then I'll be suprised, but I was only telling the truth. If you were once one of the best players, and said you were really good then people that duel you will be expecting you to be good and to have a hard duel I was trying to help keep your deck as good as it can be but you didn't take some of my advice. Now if you want to keep some of the cards I said take out just post the reson why you want to keep them. Sorry if I came off bad in that post but I was only trying to help! :D

[Kenny_C.002]

something came into mind the other day as I was observing the store that was going to host the next Regionals at my place: the guys are using time seal like it was god or something and I noticed just how good it was. Wow...the thing won this one guy like 3 games out of the amount of time I spent there almost single-handedly (I'm even talking about like those were regulars there and stuff. Crazy).

For the dragon thing: seriously tho if KLS can pull this one off we may see something pretty cool. That is provided that KLS pulls it off. Maybe we shouldn't pass down the judgements about it being a horrific deck against everything until it's at least molded into shape first.

[Ranusha]

then let me get slaughtered, because that is all your opinion, i'm ready to face the consequences of my actions, so if you do not wish to have anything positive to say, than please leave, i was waiting for some constructive critism but all i've been hearing from you lately, is about how i should run my deck....
I know what you mean about people criticizing you. I've had it happen to me before. Critics can be idiots because they look on the outside, not the inside. Only, when you criticzed the Egyptian God Monsters, You were criticizing me. I feel like I get no respect around here.

[KLS]

I was just informing you of the most likely fact of what is probally going to happen, it was constructive critism at first but you didn't want to do what I suggested, and then you said you wanted to run old school dragons, congrats on a theme deck, and if it can bet vets at this game then I'll be suprised, but I was only telling the truth. If you were once one of the best players, and said you were really good then people that duel you will be expecting you to be good and to have a hard duel I was trying to help keep your deck as good as it can be but you didn't take some of my advice. Now if you want to keep some of the cards I said take out just post the reson why you want to keep them. Sorry if I came off bad in that post but I was only trying to help! :D
excuse me, but i won tournaments with that deck....., and if you guys think that i really can't pull this off, you guys have another thing coming to you, believe me, i've made Warrior decks work in their ghetto days....

@ranusha
if you read my post carefully, i said "real duelists don't need god cards to win", i'm sorry if you felt offended by it, but that was my opinion and mine only, but when you said "don't mess with ra" i started giggling madly thinking "is she naturally retarded?" if you truly felt that way then you should've said something in that post, however you said something as mindless as "don't mess with ra" but i don't regret what i did so.....

[Pogiforce-14]

Let us not forget that Curse Seal is a double edged sword, as you cannot use the spell you discarded, so youd be doing to yourself the same thing you did to them. ESPECIALLY after Fiber Jar. .

Sorry, but I just had to say this: NO YOU WOULDN'T> You would not be hurting yourself as well as the opponent. What the card says, if I recall, is that it's effect includes the card DESTROYED by this effect. that includes the very card they played, but NOT the card you DISCARDED for Cursed Seal. It is the very same reason why DMoC isn't removed from play by a discard effect: because discard effects are not considered destroying them. Cursed Seal is not a double'edged sword. It's just a very heavy sword with a very, very sharp blade.

[Mullet]

excuse me, but i won tournaments with that deck....., and if you guys think that i really can't pull this off, you guys have another thing coming to you, believe me, i've made Warrior decks work in their ghetto days....

Warrior decks were always good if built right, they didn't have "ghetto days." So you won tourneys with that, maybe win it was Traditional Format, but now it's Advanced Format and the meta-game has changed a lot, and "Old school Dragons," have never worked since the old school days, that's why their one of the most underplayed types! :D

[Orochi Breakwing]

O_o....misread it....that shall be known as mistake number 2. So you DONT screw yourself over. But you still have to drop a spell card to use it, and its only useful against things people run in threes. This USED to screw MST over, but the banlist took care of that. Id run it if you didnt have to drop a spell, theyre just too useful to be thrown away like that...

[Mullet]

Well if you Curse Seal one of their best magic cards and then use Fiber Jar they might draw it the time where they need something else, and if they need that card and draw it it has no use because they never played it. So dropping one magic card is a small price to pay for activating such a good effect, and if your that parinoid about losing a magic then use Magician of Faith.

[Pogiforce-14]

It's better than Magic Jammer though. MJ still makes you drop a card, but unlike Cursed Seal, if you MJ and then fiber, you totally wasted your magic jammer. however, curse seal a card and then fiber it all, and you'll get your magic card back plus Your opponent still can't user theirs.

[KLS]

Warrior decks were always good if built right, they didn't have "ghetto days." So you won tourneys with that, maybe win it was Traditional Format, but now it's Advanced Format and the meta-game has changed a lot, and "Old school Dragons," have never worked since the old school days, that's why their one of the most underplayed types! :D

maybe that's what happened around where you lived, however in California, Dragon decks were quite popular and that deck seemed to have never failed me, i thought that was my best creation ever since i played YGO.

[Mullet]

The meta-game has probally changed in Cali too, you just haven't been keeping up with it.

I suggest you won't listen to some of my advice then you just go back to the Yata-Hand Control you had before you quit YGO, just take out the banned cards. Post that deck up and I could help fix that.

[Orochi Breakwing]

Uhm...you kinda cant use Yata control with no bans. Yata himself is banned.

And by the way, of Dragons were so common, why didnt you just build a Buster Blader/Paladin deck and own all of the dragons around? WOuldnt that make more sense than following a trend.

Newer dragons = better dragons. Theres no excuse for running something like Koumori Dragon.

[KLS]

The meta-game has probally changed in Cali too, you just haven't been keeping up with it.

I suggest you won't listen to some of my advice then you just go back to the Yata-Hand Control you had before you quit YGO, just take out the banned cards. Post that deck up and I could help fix that.
......

what's a Yata-Hand Control without a Yata.

[Mullet]

Like I said take out the banned canrds and make it just a hand control deck, those are really good, Chaos is still winning tournys, Control, and Hand-Control also still works, as well as my Beatdown-Control.

[Pogiforce-14]

me, I run an overall control/beatdown deck. Field, hand, graveyard, and deck control. plus power to boot. Control is always the strongest and meanest tyupe of game to play. In yugioh, the world champ won with three drop offs in his deck. In Duel Masters, dark and water beats all with it's cruel controlling power. and even in POkemon, the meanest decks were always teh ones with four energy removal and a few super energy removal. Control is always key to winning any game. The trick is knowing how much control to have.

[KLS]

Like I said take out the banned canrds and make it just a hand control deck, those are really good, Chaos is still winning tournys, Control, and Hand-Control also still works, as well as my Beatdown-Control.

mullet, please don't even talk about hand control, i mean i was one of the first to run a Yata hand control when it first came out, you'd think i wouldn't have any experience?

[Pogiforce-14]

The thing is, if your hand control focused on Yata, with him banned, you'll have to have a completely different approach to hand control strategy. which means what you knew about yata hand-control frankly doesn't amount to much in modern format. :\

[Mullet]

mullet, please don't even talk about hand control, i mean i was one of the first to run a Yata hand control when it first came out, you'd think i wouldn't have any experience?

Maybe in your area you were the first one to play it, I know plenty about Hand Control and so do you (apperantly), so it would be easy for you to make. :\

[Ranusha]

you people just keep arguing. It's so bogus. Well, at least I use some of the new cards. Only, you should know who had an attack power of 2900 first. :D

[marillmonster2000]

Ummmm.... Mabey It's Just Me, But Isn't This A Pokémon Site? Not A Yu-Gi-oo Site?

[KLS]

...., haven't you read the sub-section
it said Other Cards, so we don't discuss Pokemon here.

[marillmonster2000]

oh sorry i din't realize......

[Kenny_C.002]

MM2K, your sig is WAYYYYYYY too big....

Anyway, not much to say other than good riddence to yata! lol

[KLS]

honestly though, i don't understand how he could've not gotten this section right, i mean it did say other cards....

[Mullet]

Well, this is off topic, so Kenny can close it or we can get back to the deck.:\

[Kenny_C.002]

OKay children, back to the decks! :P

[Mullet]

OKay children, back to the decks! :P

Arn't you funny.[/sacarsm]I've about given all the advice I can but he doesn't like some of them so I'm really done here, but I'll try later. :D