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Cassino
May 20th, 2011, 12:32 PM
Or something to the effect of 'self and staff only'; whatever works.

I was hoping to set my profile's recent vistors to something like that.

Xyrin
May 20th, 2011, 12:36 PM
I don't really see the point in this...

Razor Leaf
May 20th, 2011, 1:14 PM
I do. I'd like to see this really. I prefer to keep stuff on my profile as minimalistic as possible so it'd be nice if I was the only one able to see my recent visitors and stuff.

Karnavaly
May 20th, 2011, 1:17 PM
I don't think this is possible yet. There is no need for an option like this...

Cassino
May 21st, 2011, 6:36 AM
There is no need for an option like this...
Likewise, there's no need for anyone to see every part of my profile.
Of course an option like this isn't necessary, I just thought it'd be to nice to have if it's no trouble to implement.

Ivysaur
May 21st, 2011, 6:40 AM
I don't see why not, honestly. Higher staff should still be able to check them just in case, but I don't see why anybody else should be able to see them if the member doesn't want anybody else to.

Patchisou Yutohru
May 21st, 2011, 6:51 AM
I'd certainly put this to good use.

Vrai
May 21st, 2011, 7:05 AM
I don't really see the point in this...

The point is so that you can have friends and at the same time keep parts of your profile private. :) I would also put this to use if it's possible to work. :D

Melody
May 21st, 2011, 8:14 AM
While I see how it can be used...I oppose this. Why? Because honestly, I don't particularly like it when people hide stuff. Some things are indeed worth hiding, and some things are indeed private, but I believe that the privacy options we have currently are fine as they are. We don't need to just be able to hide everything!
Plus I like to stalker box on people's profiles...I like seeing who's stalking who anyway.

Vrai
May 21st, 2011, 8:18 AM
While I see how it can be used...I oppose this. Why? Because honestly, I don't particularly like it when people hide stuff. Some things are indeed worth hiding, and some things are indeed private, but I believe that the privacy options we have currently are fine as they are. We don't need to just be able to hide everything!
Plus I like to stalker box on people's profiles...I like seeing who's stalking who anyway.

Maybe I just don't want people to stalk me, then. I don't see why anyone would oppose this unless they just want to know things about some people that those people don't want anyone else to know.

Melody
May 21st, 2011, 8:55 AM
Honestly, you shouldn't be posting this information where all can see if you don't want people to know it. I think hiding that box is pointless. It's not a violation of anyone's privacy, we can see where any one person is online anyway if we choose to. You certainly don't use invisible despite it hiding you from all but staff. Why hide more of your profile??

It's utterly pointless. If you are afraid of being found, scrub your account clean and start fresh on a new alt or something. :/
If there's one thing I've learned at PC, you can't really escape the past unless you start over. Deal with it.

donavannj
May 21st, 2011, 8:55 AM
I don't see why we shouldn't implement this. I probably wouldn't use it, but this idea makes plenty of sense as an option.

PinkPirate
May 21st, 2011, 9:05 AM
I read this suggestion 3 minutes after it was posted and thought it was a good and relatively simple idea. I had nothing to say except "I second the motion" and other useless things at the time. I will admit I am suprised by the vehemence displayed against this idea.
Most people wont use this. But the fact that some WILL is what makes this an idea worth considering. I probably wouldnt use it but I find a certain amount of primitive comfort knowing that I could up my privacy.
What is so wrong with letting someone choose if only they get to see some of their profile?

Oryx
May 21st, 2011, 9:14 AM
Honestly, you shouldn't be posting this information where all can see if you don't want people to know it. I think hiding that box is pointless. It's not a violation of anyone's privacy, we can see where any one person is online anyway if we choose to. You certainly don't use invisible despite it hiding you from all but staff. Why hide more of your profile??

It's utterly pointless. If you are afraid of being found, scrub your account clean and start fresh on a new alt or something. :/
If there's one thing I've learned at PC, you can't really escape the past unless you start over. Deal with it.

You're escalating this into some dramatic huge situation, where someone who sets something to private does it out of an emotional decision due to a fight with another person, hiding themselves away out of a debilitating fear or something. Not everyone does something to cause drama. You can set something to private without any ill feelings towards anyone, just because you're a private person.

You can't control Recent Visitors btw. The other ones can be posted in, but honestly what I would use that to do would be to clean up my profile. If I chose not to use the About Me section, I would hide it so that tab wasn't sitting on my profile blank. If this was an option, I would hide my Albums, just because I don't use them and having the box there is messy. I would prefer my profile to only have links to things that I intend to use.

So there are enough good reasons to implement it, and the only negative reason that's been introduced with any reasoning behind it is yours, which is "It shouldn't be allowed because I like to stalk people". While that reason is a tad better than the "pointless" and "not needed" reasons, it's not a very good reason for the staff not to do it.

Lily
May 21st, 2011, 10:14 AM
While I see how it can be used...I oppose this. Why? Because honestly, I don't particularly like it when people hide stuff.

Your reason for opposing this is really because you don't like it when people hide stuff...? I agree with the above; I think you're making the issue to be bigger than it really is. Not everyone is out there to hide something from you.

I don't see anything wrong with this idea. Your own personal choice in the end, it would be a neat feature for some of us, and wouldn't really do anyone harm.

Melody
May 21st, 2011, 10:28 AM
...Had to be the Devil's Advocate.

I probably should have mentioned more than "I don't like it". My main beef with it is the one and same argument you have against my reasoning for not liking it. The things you'd like to hide? They technically aren't harming anything. I mean seriously, not even the "Recent Visitors" block has potential for any damage as far as I've seen and we have the options in place to go back to an "Old school" profile which includes none of that if you're interested in keeping useless information from being displayed.

So what if those unused boxes bug you? You can collapse 'em, use Adblock Plus or other addons to hide them...and more. They're not really anymore intruding than some of the features people insist we add, myself included in that group.

Don't get me wrong, this is as good an idea as they come...but I don't think it's really important in the grand scheme of things. If I were an admin, I'd rather bite the bullet and move to the next version of vB and hope that the minor things that bug us are either fixed, amended, or changed. Not to mention that a good portion of the ideas I'm seeing here could probably be suggested for the next vB release instead of here...because I'm sure it'll take that much longer for the administration to decide to, and perform the move to the next version anyway.

I'm a champion of privacy usually. But this is a point I think where we're defeating the point of what we've deployed on PC so far if we do it.

Zen
May 21st, 2011, 10:28 AM
@Lily "not everyone is out to hide somehing from you?" I don't think Pachy meant to single herself out. :/

Moving right along.
Since I do agree with Pachy's post in a way, because I admit it's fun to see people's Profile Views list, or different parts of their profile. Though at the same time, if they want it hidden, I do think they should be allowed to have that option. Like Nick said, it could be put to use. xD

Lily
May 21st, 2011, 10:33 AM
'You,' as in general. Not everyone is out to hide something from you (the people reading this). I'm not singling anyone out.

@Pachy - I see what you mean, but if the things you'd like to hide aren't harming anyone, then it goes the other way too; you should be able to hide it without harming anyone. I think it's a neat little feature that some people will appreciate. Up to the staff in the end. ^_^

Oryx
May 21st, 2011, 10:43 AM
...Had to be the Devil's Advocate.

I probably should have mentioned more than "I don't like it". My main beef with it is the one and same argument you have against my reasoning for not liking it. The things you'd like to hide? They technically aren't harming anything. I mean seriously, not even the "Recent Visitors" block has potential for any damage as far as I've seen and we have the options in place to go back to an "Old school" profile which includes none of that if you're interested in keeping useless information from being displayed.

There are very few suggestions that are suggested because they "harm" something the way it is. This is suggested because the person who suggested it would use it, and people posting in this thread that agree would use it. Imo, that's all a suggestion needs to be viable, unless the suggestion really does harm something if it's implemented. What if you want something like a Twitter box but not a Recent Visitors box?

So what if those unused boxes bug you? You can collapse 'em, use Adblock Plus or other addons to hide them...and more. They're not really anymore intruding than some of the features people insist we add, myself included in that group.

What I'm saying is that if we have the option, we hide it for everyone. Sure, I can hide it for myself, but what if I'm going for a minimalistic look on my profile and want it all to be gone for everyone?

Don't get me wrong, this is as good an idea as they come...but I don't think it's really important in the grand scheme of things. If I were an admin, I'd rather bite the bullet and move to the next version of vB and hope that the minor things that bug us are either fixed, amended, or changed. Not to mention that a good portion of the ideas I'm seeing here could probably be suggested for the next vB release instead of here...because I'm sure it'll take that much longer for the administration to decide to, and perform the move to the next version anyway.

If an admin comes around and says "this is really difficult to do", then I'll concede. But until then, I don't see why this shouldn't be implemented other than it's "unnecessary", which pretty much every feature is, so if we're going by that logic, why change anything ever?

Masqueraine
May 21st, 2011, 10:55 AM
Or something to the effect of 'self and staff only'; whatever works.

I was hoping to set my profile's recent vistors to something like that.

Not saying it wouldn't be a good addition, but in your case isn't setting it to friends only enough? You only have four and staff are probably going to be able to see it regardless even if a feature is implemented.. unless you plan to add a whole bunch of people slash don't trust the four you have with seeing who looked at your profile.

Sol Rovyn
May 21st, 2011, 12:34 PM
While the majority probably won't use this option, I don't see why it shouldn't be implemented if it can be easily done. Everyone has a different sense of privacy, some people value theirs more than others. If someone wants to hide a certain part of their profile, then by all means they should be able to do so.

riøt
May 21st, 2011, 12:59 PM
I see your points' validity, Pachy, but I still feel like it's no reason to disallow something like this from happening unless this is really hard to implement which I don't imagine it is. What it all boils down to is that you don't want people to hide information here and sure, I can agree with that to some extent but people do have varying levels of privacy. If I'm uncomfortable with someone viewing who all I have for friends regardless of whether they're friends of mine or not, I feel like I should have the right to prevent people from seeing who I'm friends with. Maybe I fear my friends judging me on who my friends are. Not saying that that's any reason (and people like that shouldn't be your friends anyway) but there are plenty of valid, personal reasons why someone might want to hide something and the only argument against this is that they shouldn't hide stuff because people like to find out. I understand your reasoning, Pachy, but like I said I don't believe that's any reason to deny this option. People should have a right to privacy against all people should they so desire.

If it's at all possible, like Cassino said, I'd be fine with a staff-only option but noting that I'd prefer it to be higher staff only. Why? Moderators have very little to do with moderating people of the forums - they have their sections, and that's that. Yeah, I'm being apprehensive here but if I really want parts of my profile to be private then I want it private to everyone except the people that need to be able to see it, which in my opinion are SMods+. Not that I personally have anything against moderators but I recall even when I was a moderator, the only reasons I ever ended up thinking when I was able to bypass people's profile privacy was to be nosy and look at stuff about them, nothing related to my job at all. And don't things like PM and VM reports go to higher staff, anyway?

Just my ideas. I don't have any grudges against anyone but that's what I feel about it.

Shining Raichu
May 21st, 2011, 3:37 PM
While I see how it can be used...I oppose this. Why? Because honestly, I don't particularly like it when people hide stuff. Some things are indeed worth hiding, and some things are indeed private, but I believe that the privacy options we have currently are fine as they are. We don't need to just be able to hide everything!
Plus I like to stalker box on people's profiles...I like seeing who's stalking who anyway.

This is my opinion exactly. Pretend I said it first. :P

I'd also like to add though that it sort of detracts from a community feel if everybody wants to hide things from everybody. If it starts here, where does it end?

tente2
May 21st, 2011, 3:57 PM
This is my opinion exactly. Pretend I said it first. :P

I'd also like to add though that it sort of detracts from a community feel if everybody wants to hide things from everybody. If it starts here, where does it end?

Pachy and Shiny Raichu...it's because of stalkers like you that I agree with the idea for more privacy. I know you'll say "I'm not a stalker", but if you're not, then why do you care what people hide?

@Shiny Raichu

It kind of detracts from a community feel if people aren't comfortable, have you considered that? If it starts here, where does it end? Honestly, think about it. In a real community people are allowed to complain, if they are denied that, then it's not a real community, is it?

(I love how, when you read these kind of topics, it seems like everybody's shouting despite the fact there is no sound related to the conversation...)

Vrai
May 21st, 2011, 4:07 PM
This is my opinion exactly. Pretend I said it first. :P

I'd also like to add though that it sort of detracts from a community feel if everybody wants to hide things from everybody. If it starts here, where does it end?

I still feel like the prevailing argument against this is that "they shouldn't be able to hide things because people should be able to know" which I feel really isn't an argument at all. I mean if other reasons can be presented, sure, I'd love to debate, but I still feel like people have a right to their privacy if they want it and they shouldn't have to let everyone know things if they don't want them to know. :(

Guy
May 21st, 2011, 4:35 PM
I, by no means, have anything against this idea. I would actually take it into use myself.

If one chooses to keep something of theirs private to a certain level of degree that suits them, then they should be allowed to do so; regardless of what aspect it is on their profile. For one, it's their own profile, so they should be able to manage it in a way they feel most comfortable with. Secondly, everyone has their own terms of dealing with privacy. Just because someone else would want to see it, isn't reason enough for them to share it if they choose not to. What we have now is pretty decent and it works, but if we can make some members feel even more secure, then I have nothing against that.

Of course, if this is too much of a difficulty to add in, then I won't push this any further.

Rukario
May 21st, 2011, 10:56 PM
Its easy to hide.. seriously, Just don't enter anything into the profile field you don't want to share. simple.
only 2 things are required; your username/password and your email address (and it is hidden from public.)

Cassino
May 22nd, 2011, 12:12 PM
Not saying it wouldn't be a good addition, but in your case isn't setting it to friends only enough? You only have four and staff are probably going to be able to see it regardless even if a feature is implemented.. unless you plan to add a whole bunch of people slash don't trust the four you have with seeing who looked at your profile.
As it happens, for me, that is enough; but I'm quite fastidious and thought fully hiding something might be useful for others too (like if they're redoing their bio or something and want to see how it looks on their profile before actuating it).

Its easy to hide.. seriously, Just don't enter anything into the profile field you don't want to share. simple.
only 2 things are required; your username/password and your email address (and it is hidden from public.)
For much, that stands, but I can't exactly 'not enter' anything into my recent visitors or statistics tab.

tente2
May 22nd, 2011, 2:32 PM
Its easy to hide.. seriously, Just don't enter anything into the profile field you don't want to share. simple.
only 2 things are required; your username/password and your email address (and it is hidden from public.)

Another hypothetical reason is if you only want to share things with higher staff (Any and all of them, easier than looking up all of them and sending like >30 PMs. Also, if you were to send PMs, you couldn't talk to all of them together, you'd have to talk to each of them individually.). Don't have any reasons for this yet, but it's a possible case.

As it happens, for me, that is enough; but I'm quite fastidious and thought fully hiding something might be useful for others too (like if they're redoing their bio or something and want to see how it looks on their profile before actuating it).


For much, that stands, but I can't exactly 'not enter' anything into my recent visitors or statistics tab.

Exactly.

Not to be rude, but I find that the only people that oppose this idea are those who are way too nosy/stalkers or people that think it's a bad idea just because they wouldn't use it, despite the fact it would help many people.