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Sodom
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Updated March 2012


What is The Rainbow Connection?


The Rainbow Connection is essentially The PokeCommunity’s version of a Gay/Straight Alliance. It is a place for people who are gay, bisexual, transgender or whatever else you may be to come and share your stories, get advice, and discuss everything from developments in the fight for equality to what it means to live day-to-day in our shoes. Supporters of the LGBT community are more than welcome (in fact, encouraged!) to come and join in the conversation – so really, it’s a club for everybody except bigots!

Rules and Guidelines


We’re a pretty well established community now, so we know that it’s a fairly lax place to post and we know by now what’s OK and what’s not. But for the new people, lets take it from the top:



Follow all forum rules. Failure to do so will result in you being dealt with accordingly by a member of staff.
You do not have to be a supporter or member of the LGBT community to join, but you must still be respectful. No bigotry will be tolerated.
If somebody asks a question, answer it seriously. If somebody has a real issue, the last thing they need is to be trolled.
If you have any questions or problems concerning this club, PM me. I’m very good with getting back to people quickly.




Key Terms


We use a lot of words here that you might only understand if you've paid much previous attention to the LGBT community. Here's a handy list of some of those words in case you get stuck, provided to us by Scarf.

Heterosexual
A person who is sexually and romantically attracted to a person of the opposite sex.

Homosexual
A person who is sexually and romantically attracted to a person of the same sex.

Bisexual
A person who is sexually and romantically attracted to persons of the same and opposite sex.

Demisexual
A person who is only sexually attracted to someone with whom they share a deep emotional connection.

Pansexual
A person who is sexually and romantically attracted to any human being, regardless of orientation, gender identity, or sex.

Asexual
A person who does not feel sexual attraction to any gender or sex. An asexual person can still have romantic attraction to other people, just not sexual attraction.

Heteroromantic
A person who is romantically attracted to a person of the opposite sex, but not sexually attracted.

Homoromantic
A person who is romantically attracted to a person of the same sex, but not sexually attracted.

Biromantic
A person who is romantically attracted to persons of the same and opposite sex, but not sexually attracted.

Demiromantic
A person who is romantically attracted to someone with whom they share a deep emotional connection, but not sexually attracted.

Panromantic
A person who is romantically attracted to any human being, regardless of orientation, gender identity, or sex, but not sexually attracted.

Aromantic
A person who does not feel romantic attraction to any gender or sex. An aromantic person can still have physical attraction to other people and desire platonic relationships.

Transgender
An umbrella term for several types of gender identities.

Transsexual
A person whose gender is inconsistent with their biological sex. They may or may not have undergone sexual reassignment surgery.

Cisgender
A person whose physical body matches their gender.

Genderqueer
A person who does not feel they fit into either a female or male gender.

Gender fluid
A person who moves between genders

Intersex(ed)
Having elements of both genders. For instance, a person who has XY-chromosomes and develops female secondary sexual characteristics or a person who has ambiguous genitalia.

Gender dysphoria / Gender identity disorder
Feeling uncomfortable with the gender or sex one is assigned at birth.



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G.U.Y.
May 24th, 2011, 02:05 PM
Gay headlines (May 24th, 2011)
Toronto parents raise "genderless" baby (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/05/24/toronto-parents-raise-genderless-baby/)
Tennessee passes "Don't Say Gay" bill (http://www.christianpost.com/news/new-wording-in-dont-say-gay-bill-elicits-approval-by-senate-50431/)
Not guilty plea for NJ teen in webcam case (http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/articles/plea-126836-teen-webcam.html)
East Bay schools offer gay studies for high school students (http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_18106850?nclick_check=1)
Two more transgender bills inch forward in the Nevada legislature (http://www.ctpost.com/news/article/2-more-transgender-bills-inch-closer-to-Nevada-law-1392121.php)

Hybrid Trainer
May 24th, 2011, 03:12 PM
Totally joining
The one in social groups was so interesting and popular i'm sure this'll explode with members :D

Ok wait, what the hell? raising a genderless baby?
Isn't being a transgender like being gay where your born like that? how will this benefit the child in anyway apart from make him less sexist?
also so annoying that transgender isn't in the default dictionary on chrome -.-

Alakazam17
May 24th, 2011, 03:34 PM
Sign me up as well. I was a member of the Social Group, and I thought it was a good experience. Twas sad to see it erased, but I'm glad to see it back here in another form. ^_^

Isn't being a transgender like being gay where your born like that?No, I'd say it's not, using myself as an example. I am transgender, but I am not gay. I'm not interested in malexmale or femalexfemale, just malexfemale.

I don't know how I feel about that story. On one hand, it does kind of appear like an experiment, but it doesn't seem any worse than the alternative of assigning a sex to a child who knows nothing about what that'll mean further down the road.

NurseBarbra
May 24th, 2011, 03:38 PM
Yup, Joining, totally joining.
http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/kathymenaregay.gif
.....Emm....Is this true? I hope so....Just saying~

Also,I've been listening to Gaga and for some reason I keep saying "Born this Gay" instead of "Born this Way".... Still works~

G.U.Y.
May 24th, 2011, 03:41 PM
More News
Afghanistan's accidental gay pride (made me laugh) (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/24/gay-pride-afghanistan-rainbow-flags)
Totally joining
The one in social groups was so interesting and popular i'm sure this'll explode with members :D

Ok wait, what the hell? raising a genderless baby?
Isn't being a transgender like being gay where your born like that? how will this benefit the child in anyway apart from make him less sexist?
also so annoying that transgender isn't in the default dictionary on chrome -.-
Welcome!

All gay people are born like that, excluding the bisexual people who chose to live exclusively heterosexual or homosexual lifestyles.

Transgender is when your biological unimportant sex doesn't match your mental actual sex.
Yeah, sign me up too, it sounds like it's going to be an interesting ride. Lets get our LGBTQIAA on!

I'm absolutely disgusted with Tennessee right now, but I have to say I doubt that legislature will be there for long. Gaga will be on the case before you know it...
Welcome! <3

Tennessee, seeing as it's..well..Tennessee, I don't care. xD
Sign me up as well. I was a member of the Social Group, and I thought it was a good experience. Twas sad to see it erased, but I'm glad to see it back here in another form. ^_^

No, I'd say it's not, using myself as an example. I am transgender, but I am not gay. I'm not interested in malexmale or femalexfemale, just malexfemale.

I don't know how I feel about that story. On one hand, it does kind of appear like an experiment, but it doesn't seem any worse than the alternative of assigning a sex to a child who knows nothing about what that'll mean further down the road.
Welcome! :D

Yup, Joining, totally joining.
http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/kathymenaregay.gif
.....Emm....Is this true? I hope so....Just saying~

Also,I've been listening to Gaga and for some reason I keep saying "Born this Gay" instead of "Born this Way".... Still works~
That'd be a nice surprise. xD (I love Kathy Griffin)

I was Born this Gay. <3

FreakyLocz14
May 24th, 2011, 03:45 PM
Can I join? I was a GSA Senator at my community college.

Team Fail
May 24th, 2011, 03:47 PM
OMG That Afghanistan one was too good.

I'm joining this group. Definately. I wanted to join the last one, but I wasn't compelled to. I'm only joining now, not because I want to, but because I have friends that are gay, and that I don't see why they are so looked down upon. After all, they are just people, like you and I.

G.U.Y.
May 24th, 2011, 03:49 PM
Can I join? I was a GSA Senator at my community college.
Welcome Freaky! :D

Ooh! What was it like?
OMG That Afghanistan one was too good.

I'm joining this group. Definately. I wanted to join the last one, but I wasn't compelled to. I'm only joining now, not because I want to, but because I have friends that are gay, and that I don't see why they are so looked down upon. After all, they are just people, like you and I.

Haha, welcome to the group Nyan Cat. o3o

Alakazam17
May 24th, 2011, 03:52 PM
I think the question of activity has been answered already. :P

I just read that article on Afghanistan, and I thought it was awesome. It's funny how our symbols often tend to get lost and/or twisted in translation, eh?

NurseBarbra
May 24th, 2011, 03:55 PM
I think I just laughed my lung up.... Ow...
Back onto topic, Just found this (Nsfw-ish):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPvVnrV1tow

Sodom
May 24th, 2011, 04:04 PM
Yup, Joining, totally joining.
http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/kathymenaregay.gif
.....Emm....Is this true? I hope so....Just saying~

Also,I've been listening to Gaga and for some reason I keep saying "Born this Gay" instead of "Born this Way".... Still works~

I LOVE KATHY GRIFFIN! When she comes on the TV I become a squealing fanboy. And yes, she is correct. Though I believe the statistic is actually 94.2%.

NurseBarbra
May 24th, 2011, 04:08 PM
I LOVE KATHY GRIFFIN! When she comes on the TV I become a squealing fanboy. And yes, she is correct. Though I believe the statistic is actually 94.2%.

94.2%.
94.2%.
94.2%.
94.2%.
94.2%.
.... WHY HAS NO ONE TOLD ME THIS BEFORE

GFA
May 24th, 2011, 04:16 PM
Because it's a complete, blatant lie created to empower those who aren't hetero-normative.

G.U.Y.
May 24th, 2011, 04:25 PM
I think I just laughed my lung up.... Ow...
Back onto topic, Just found this (Nsfw-ish):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPvVnrV1tow
I love him <3
I LOVE KATHY GRIFFIN! When she comes on the TV I become a squealing fanboy. And yes, she is correct. Though I believe the statistic is actually 94.2%.
Speaking of Kathy Griffin, my second favorite gay-idol next to Lady Gaga and my favorite comedian, I am so mad she canceled My Life on the D-List. :(
Because it's a complete, blatant lie created to empower those who aren't hetero-normative.
>:3

Sodom
May 24th, 2011, 04:59 PM
.... WHY HAS NO ONE TOLD ME THIS BEFORE

Haha it's not true, relax, you weren't left out of a big secret or anything :P

Because it's a complete, blatant lie created to empower those who aren't hetero-normative.

No, it's a joke which someone took a little too seriously :P


Speaking of Kathy Griffin, my second favorite gay-idol next to Lady Gaga and my favorite comedian, I am so mad she canceled My Life on the D-List. :(

I was devastated, it took me a while to forgive her for that one. She's my favourite gay icon, even above Lady Gaga, and I can't accept that I'll have to live my life without a yearly fix of D-List antics :( - my new dream is for a show called "Kathy Lately". Think about how awesome that would be - it can air straight after Chelsea Lately lol

Alternative
May 24th, 2011, 05:43 PM
I would like to join this club under the ally precident please. I'm not any of those things which make up the club, but I do support gay rights and whatnot. You can thank Lady Gaga for that. <3

Merzbau
May 25th, 2011, 01:09 AM
I think Lady Gaga's a cissexist, arrogant, white lady who thinks she speaks for everybody gay and otherwise, but hey. I can be a radical and ruin all your fun some other time if I want to.

As for me?

Androgynous, bigender, pansexual, queer, gay, trans*, genderqueer, unicorn, repeat. In any order.

I can be whatever I want to be, you got that, lovebirds? I'll be the Queen of Faeries if I want to be. As if I wasn't already that already.

Hybrid Trainer
May 25th, 2011, 02:05 AM
No, I'd say it's not, using myself as an example. I am transgender, but I am not gay. I'm not interested in malexmale or femalexfemale, just malexfemale.

I know that transgender doesn't mean that the person is gay/lesbian (thank waterloo road for that xD) I meant isn't it something your born with and not something you just pick up somewhere along the line.

I think Lady Gaga's a cissexist, arrogant, white lady who thinks she speaks for everybody gay and otherwise, but hey. I can be a radical and ruin all your fun some other time if I want to.

Well all lady gaga is doing is standing up for what she believes is right, it's the fact that she's a celebrity that makes everything she does epically huge and important.

EDIT: OMG how did i miss that last time, GAY STUDIES! :D At first i laughed thinking it would be easy, but now that i think about it. It would actually be pretty difficult to teach, with laws being passed all over the place things are always changing.
But nevertheless i would still totally take that class x]

Sodom
May 25th, 2011, 02:35 AM
I would like to join this club under the ally precident please. I'm not any of those things which make up the club, but I do support gay rights and whatnot. You can thank Lady Gaga for that. <3

*is a co-owner* Welcome aboard, Alternative! We owe Miss Gaga so much.

I think Lady Gaga's a cissexist, arrogant, white lady who thinks she speaks for everybody gay and otherwise, but hey. I can be a radical and ruin all your fun some other time if I want to.

As for me?

Androgynous, bigender, pansexual, queer, gay, trans*, genderqueer, unicorn, repeat. In any order.

I can be whatever I want to be, you got that, lovebirds? I'll be the Queen of Faeries if I want to be. As if I wasn't already that already.

I'm not sure what to do with this post, but if it means you're joining us also, then welcome! And you don't have to like Lady Gaga, it's just something most of us share :)

twistedpuppy
May 25th, 2011, 09:38 AM
May I join please? I fall into the gay catergoy.

The Afghanistan story was quite interesting. Maybe they shouldn't have spread the truth about the flags meaning. Who knows what could have happened if they continued hang the pride flag all around. There could've been a disco revival in that country. XD

G.U.Y.
May 25th, 2011, 12:23 PM
Gay News for May 25th 2011
Support for Legal Gay Relations Hits New High (http://www.gallup.com/poll/147785/Support-Legal-Gay-Relations-Hits-New-High.aspx?utm_source=tagrss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_term=USA)
Nevada Governor Sandoval signs transgender job discrimination bill (http://www.lvrj.com/news/sandoval-signs-transgender-job-discrimination-bill-122529078.html)
NYT On Coming Out (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/05/23/us/20110523-coming-out.html#)
Texans confront gay-bashing waitress (http://advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/05/24/Bashing_of_Gay_Family_Sparks_Reaction/)
I think Lady Gaga's a cissexist, arrogant, white lady who thinks she speaks for everybody gay and otherwise, but hey. I can be a radical and ruin all your fun some other time if I want to.
Don't post anything that is insulting to a group of people, it kind of defeats the entire purpose of this club.

And, for the record, I am not talking about your Lady Gaga hating, I am talking about how you list a bunch of qualities you believe she has, then say she's white. Whether or not you meant anything by it isn't the point, it's how other people conceive what you said. When you list a group of bad characteristics, then in the same sentence directly afterwards you say that they're white, it gives the vibe that that's something you don't like.

What if I said, "I think Oprah is a cissexist, arrogant, black lady.." Kind of gives the vibe of me not liking her because of her race.

Racism is a two-way street, just like any other form of hatred. It's also not a very bright idea to openly say some very hurtful things about someone other people in the club care so much about. You're entitled to your opinion, but it will cause a flame war, and no me gusta.

Welcome.
May I join please? I fall into the gay catergoy.

The Afghanistan story was quite interesting. Maybe they shouldn't have spread the truth about the flags meaning. Who knows what could have happened if they continued hang the pride flag all around. There could've been a disco revival in that country. XD
Welcome pup! :D

Drew
May 25th, 2011, 02:04 PM
I was wondering when something like this would be made, after the social groups died. D:
I'd like to join.

Maybe I'll be active in something besides the one or two clubs I'm in. =w=

Venusaur♣
May 25th, 2011, 02:23 PM
I'd like to join as well! Let's see if I can be active in this club. :3

Sodom
May 25th, 2011, 02:44 PM
I was wondering when something like this would be made, after the social groups died. D:
I'd like to join.

Maybe I'll be active in something besides the one or two clubs I'm in. =w=

Hey Drew, welcome! People have told me about the LGBT social group, but it was before my time and that sucks because I really wanted to read it as part of my PokeCommunity history research :P

I'd like to join as well! Let's see if I can be active in this club. :3

Hey there Charizard! I think this'll be an easier group to be active in, there's only so much you can say about something you're a fan of, but this is far more broad :) Welcome!

solarowl
May 25th, 2011, 04:55 PM
I'm not Gay, but I am a Supporter of being one, so I guess it's only natural I join. XD
YES THATS RIGHT ANOTHER ALLY. DEAL WITH IT.

Hopefully I can remember to be active enough. ^^;

Ctrl.Alt.Geak
May 25th, 2011, 05:40 PM
You can sign me up, I'll try my best to be active.

G.U.Y.
May 25th, 2011, 05:45 PM
Welcome to Drew, Charizard, solarowl, and Ctrl.Alt.Geek!

Here is a nice news story where Franken (Minnesota senator) speaks out against the proposed anti-gay marriage amendment (http://www.washingtonblade.com/2011/05/23/franken-comes-out-against-minn-marriage-amendment/)

Alternative
May 25th, 2011, 05:48 PM
I hope we do get more people being active, as this is a serious issue, and people really support it. I don't even know why people are against homosexual, bi-curious or anything of the like for that matter. They're still people, and they may have the same interests as you, and you could become good friends without one or another falling in love or anything.

What got you into supporting gay rights? Who/What was your inspiration to do so?

G.U.Y.
May 25th, 2011, 05:49 PM
What got you into supporting gay rights? Who/What was your inspiration to do so?

I simply just don't want people to go through what I had to go through. That is all~

Merzbau
May 25th, 2011, 06:56 PM
If you didn't comprehend my last message, this is my official request and intent to join this group and offer my support. Now, for the big question.

What got you into supporting gay rights? Who/What was your inspiration to do so?

When I was about fourteen years old, I learned that my best friend was gay. At the time, I was a very religious kid, and very heavily homophobic. Learning this was a huge shock to me, and I had to choose between the two. I chose my friend, and left my absurd religion behind.

Later on, in my first year of university, something really bad happened. One of my friends still in high school, after a long period of abuse, harassment and beatings at school, shot himself. He was gay and physically disabled. I was hurt, depressed, scared, confused, and I had no clue how to deal with this news. I had experienced death, but never of a friend, and never of anyone younger than me. It took a year of crying, failed counseling, and talking with my partner at the time, to get through it.

On the heels of this terribly painful event, I got to tell my friend's story at an anti-bullying rally a year later, and once again at an open mic event put on at my school. But something I am more proud of happened soon after - ten days after the death of my friend, I marched. I marched in the National Equality March in Washington, D.C. and ended up on the Capitol lawn. In my mind, I marched in his stead.

Today, I am an executive board member of my campus' LGBTQ group, and the chair of the committee on gender education. I've still got a lot I'd like to do, but the future looks promising for my campus, our population, and my new family.

twistedpuppy
May 25th, 2011, 07:27 PM
I hope we do get more people being active, as this is a serious issue, and people really support it. I don't even know why people are against homosexual, bi-curious or anything of the like for that matter. They're still people, and they may have the same interests as you, and you could become good friends without one or another falling in love or anything.

It's homophobia. I don't understand it either & part of the problem is they don't want to make the effort & educate themselves. We have to keep proving to them that homosexuality, bisexuality, transgendered people & so on, are not bad people.

What got you into supporting gay rights? Who/What was your inspiration to do so?

I'm gay. I think that answers both questions. :P

Sydian
May 25th, 2011, 07:31 PM
I enjoyed (lurking) the GSA social group, so I think I'll just hop in on this one as well. I hope I can stay active, haha. Haven't joined an actual club since...2008, probably.

Also, Merzbau, your story is inspiring.

What got you into supporting gay rights? Who/What was your inspiration to do so?

I too was very religious, however, I wasn't shoving my Bible in peoples' faces and telling them that they were wrong for being gay or any of that. I've always felt that all people should be treated fairly, no matter what. So I guess in that regard, I've abandoned my religion...or something to that extent, lmao. But my best friend during high school was that Bible face-shoving person, mainly during 10th grade. She started a lot of drama, and I couldn't take that. It was seriously embarrassing. I set out to be different than her, and show that not all Christians hate gays. It wasn't til really this year that I figured out my stance on the whole deal, which is that I support gay rights (if you haven't gathered that).

Oddly enough, when I realized that I could love someone over the internet, I realized that someone's sex shouldn't have to be a factor either. I know that's a weird way to finally realize something, but that's how I gathered it together, haha. Because you don't choose to have feelings for someone, whether they're here, online, the same sex as you, a different race/nationality, or any of that. That's probably the thing. As for an inspiration...I don't know if I have one. I love Lady Gaga, but I wouldn't really call her my inspiration as far as gay rights go.

tl;dr HI GUYS. :)

Timbjerr
May 25th, 2011, 07:33 PM
Skimming through the thread, I think I'm the first asexual representative. :D

As for the topic of the day:
What got me into gay rights? My Catholic upbringing ironically enough. The biggest value my parents instilled in me is based on one of Jesus' Commandmants: "Love your lord my Father and love one another as I have loved you. These are the greatest commandments."
Humanity is vastly diverse and we have to share this planet together, so we might as well understand and accept our differences peacefully. XD

In closing, here's something (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhl9MLno424&feature=player_embedded) that one of my cousins linked to on Facebook and I thought it would be appropriate here. :D

Team Fail
May 25th, 2011, 08:00 PM
What got you into supporting gay rights? Who/What was your inspiration to do so?


It was more of a personal choice to do so, mostly because I know that there isn't anything wrong with anyone. I know that it is wrong to be prejudicial based on one's orientation, let alone gender and age.

Drew
May 25th, 2011, 09:10 PM
Good to see this place gaining such activity. Yay. :D


This might get lengthy! I apologize in advance. orz

What got you into supporting gay rights? Who/What was your inspiration to do so?
A lot of people in my life have either been supporting of, or a member of the LGBT community. It started off with finding out that a few friends of mine were gay, back when they had first figured it out, and I never even blinked an eye at it. Let alone thought about being against it. That never crossed my mind, so I guess I was a supporter of the LGBT community before I knew it as being such. xD;

Also, from a real young age my mom taught me that people love who they love, and to not judge them on it. She pretty much just shrugged it off as being okay, and so I did the same. As I got older I was able to judge for myself, but it ended up being no different. My grandpa was against the gay / transgender community, but I'd never paid him much mind in that respect. n n;

Oh, and I've had gender issues of my own for my entire life. I'm physically female, but I've always identified more as a guy. I don't dress girly, or act super girly, etc. There's some there, but y'know. It was only really recently that something clicked, and I sorta just became okay with who I was as a person, no matter what my physical gender was. I am who I am, and I don't care that I'm not a guy, I also don't care that I'm just boyish girl. -shrug- I couldn't have said that a couple of months ago, but I'm not complaining.

I still consider myself a part of the LGBT community though, as I'd still call myself transgender in a way. Even if I weren't, I'd still prefer dating girls to dating guys. So hurray.

Sodom
May 25th, 2011, 09:56 PM
What got you into supporting gay rights? Who/What was your inspiration to do so?

There was an out gay guy in my early high school years who was bullied a lot by the 'jock' stereotypes. He wasn't bashed or anything (to my knowledge) but I distinctly remember them chasing him around with a stick, poking him in the behind, chanting "He loves it, he loves it!" I was physically no match for them, so there was no way I could help him, but I remembered thinking "That's... not right." One time, after they'd finally left him alone, I went over and asked if he was OK, and we've been friends ever since. I just remembered seeing those disgusting excuses for human beings and NEVER wanting to be like them.

Before that, which is what possibly influenced my reactions above, was Will & Grace. It's just a sitcom, but people underestimate how powerful it was in de-stigmatising everything about the gay community. Growing up with it since I was 8 years old really made me believe there was nothing strange or even uncommon about being gay.

In closing, here's something (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhl9MLno424&feature=player_embedded) that one of my cousins linked to on Facebook and I thought it would be appropriate here. :D

That was absolutely beautiful. I was surprised when that man high-fived the waitress for throwing the gay men out though, but on reflection I don't know why I was surprised. Overall though, that was such an amazing video. Welcome, Timbjerr!


Finally, Sydian and Merzbau, your stories are incredible and inspiring. You're amazing people, welcome :)

FreakyLocz14
May 25th, 2011, 11:51 PM
What got you into supporting LGBT rights? Who/What was your inspiration to do so?

It just came to me naturally as a part of my political philosophy. I'm a conservative. When I say that; I mean a real conservative. I believe in a small, limited government that doesn't infringe on the civil liberty of the people. Liberty is the right to be left alone by the government. That includes keeping government regulation out of people's private lives.

The religious right and the Tea Party always use small government and less regulation as talking points; yet, they don't adhere to them. They want to use proactive government interference in order to regulate the private relationships of consenting adults. That expands the size, scope, and power of government.

That, my friends, is what we call a RINO.

Sydian
May 25th, 2011, 11:53 PM
I love that video, Tommy. I've always been one to stand up for people. I'm actually a very shy person and won't stand up for myself, but I can't stand seeing other people get picked on and I have a mean temper. So yeah, I've stood up for a lot of people, no matter what the cause. I don't think it would have been any different in this situation either, for me anyway. I would have said something, even in my little conservative area of Alabama. Which, with that in mind, like I said in my first post, I sought out to prove not all Christians hate gays. I don't mean to get all religious here, but I've grown up in church all my life, and if there's one thing I can say I've learned and stuck with is that I shouldn't judge people, and neither should anyone else. My dad taught me that everyone is different in many different ways, and that's okay. Doesn't make them a bad person.

I am pretty shocked that no one did anything in New York though! But then again...southern hospitality? XD; idk. I wish this would happen in Alabama!

/mushy rant lol

Finally, Sydian and Merzbau, your stories are incredible and inspiring. You're amazing people, welcome

Bawww, my story is anything but inspiring really. ^^; Thanks though. That's awful what they did to that boy in your school btw. :<

Vrai
May 26th, 2011, 02:56 AM
I'm not gay or any of the above, but I'd like to join and throw in my support. :)

...not that I'll post much. XD;

Sodom
May 26th, 2011, 03:24 AM
Bawww, my story is anything but inspiring really. ^^; Thanks though. That's awful what they did to that boy in your school btw. :<

Well I beg to differ, you saw something bad and strived to be something else :) And yeah it is, it's really awful, but hey - high school's over now, he's a lot happier. And he got off easy compared to a lot of gay high schoolers.

I'm not gay or any of the above, but I'd like to join and throw in my support. :)

...not that I'll post much. XD;

That's cool, thanks for joining anyway :D You can never have too much support.

Hybrid Trainer
May 26th, 2011, 03:33 AM
Stupid time zones ¬.¬ why am i always asleep when this club gets replies...

What got you into supporting gay rights? Who/What was your inspiration to do so?
Well my parent's had this mutual friend who was always over who was openly gay so i was brought up knowing that being gay was nothing wrong and shouldn't be hated.
But then i went to school and around 8/9 ish i learnt how people were so homophobic stupid catholic schools teaching kids bullcrap, and me being a total hipster cat http://webservice.imagesauce.net/image/479348/80x80.jpg went the oposite way and preached about how being gay was the same as being straight, the only difference is that the person falls in love with someone of the same gender.
And then i hit 10/11 and i realised i was gay so it would've been pretty weird if i was a homophobe whilst still checking guys out xD

also the omastar in my signature is now linking to this club because he looks fab-u-lous

Venusaur♣
May 26th, 2011, 05:16 AM
What got you into supporting gay rights? Who/What was your inspiration to do so?

My cousin and my friend. They both told me how they were bi and that they were scared of coming out of the closet due to family and peers. I decided that whenever they do decide to come out, I'll be there supporting them and protecting them from any negative things that people had to say to them. I mean, everyone deserves to love who they want, and marry who they want, they shouldn't be judges just because they're bisexual girls.

Timbjerr
May 26th, 2011, 08:34 AM
I love that video, Tommy. I've always been one to stand up for people. I'm actually a very shy person and won't stand up for myself, but I can't stand seeing other people get picked on and I have a mean temper. So yeah, I've stood up for a lot of people, no matter what the cause. I don't think it would have been any different in this situation either, for me anyway. I would have said something, even in my little conservative area of Alabama. Which, with that in mind, like I said in my first post, I sought out to prove not all Christians hate gays. I don't mean to get all religious here, but I've grown up in church all my life, and if there's one thing I can say I've learned and stuck with is that I shouldn't judge people, and neither should anyone else. My dad taught me that everyone is different in many different ways, and that's okay. Doesn't make them a bad person.

I am pretty shocked that no one did anything in New York though! But then again...southern hospitality? XD; idk. I wish this would happen in Alabama!

Surprisingly, I've lived in Texas all my life and I can probably recall one, maybe two times where openly gay friends of mine were bullied or harassed because of it. Granted, I do live in a large metropolitan area that is considerably more liberal than the rural areas like where that hidden camera scenario took place.

Like you, I also like to set out to prove that religious people aren't entirely bigoted. The actions of the more infamous branch of Conservative Christians directly contradict Jesus' teachings after all.

Drew
May 27th, 2011, 01:43 PM
It's cool that some of you went against the grain of what so many others believed, as far as religion and homophobia is concerned. I can't relate to that.. because my grandpa and myself went to church when I was very small, but other than that, I wasn't around friends or family that were very against homosexuality. So when I figured out that I fell into the LBGT community myself (in two different ways, apparently! orz), I really didn't have any one around me to give me a super hard time about it.

Except that I did lose two friends, both of whom I was real close with, and both were highly Christian. For both of them, it wasn't so much their own choice to break out friendship as it was their entire family telling them that they had to break contact with me. They were scared, because we were teenagers at the time, and of course they didn't want their family disowning them at that age, etc. I can't blame them. xD; It just bites that their religion controlled that choice for them.

Because there are people here who don't let religion influence their beliefs on the LGBT community, and it's a shame the rest of the world can't think the same way, religious or not.

Sydian
May 27th, 2011, 04:39 PM
It's cool that some of you went against the grain of what so many others believed, as far as religion and homophobia is concerned. I can't relate to that.. because my grandpa and myself went to church when I was very small, but other than that, I wasn't around friends or family that were very against homosexuality. So when I figured out that I fell into the LBGT community myself (in two different ways, apparently! orz), I really didn't have any one around me to give me a super hard time about it.

Except that I did lose two friends, both of whom I was real close with, and both were highly Christian. For both of them, it wasn't so much their own choice to break out friendship as it was their entire family telling them that they had to break contact with me. They were scared, because we were teenagers at the time, and of course they didn't want their family disowning them at that age, etc. I can't blame them. xD; It just bites that their religion controlled that choice for them.

Because there are people here who don't let religion influence their beliefs on the LGBT community, and it's a shame the rest of the world can't think the same way, religious or not.

It really is. :[ I remember when my group at church would talk about it sometimes (we got off topic a lot!) and it was just so awkward being the only one there that was in disagreement with nearly everything that was said. I just felt so uncomfortable. And not like I'm perfect or anything, but I mean, at least I didn't act like it at church. People there would be completely different people outside church and I'm just like ._.; the whole time. Sooo when my mom invites me to go on Sundays, I'm just like "no thanks those people are crazy :)" That's like so unrelated it's not even funny.

One thing that always bothered me in those discussions was when people would say it's a choice to be gay. Who in their right mind CHOOSES to go through that kind of stuff though? The bullying, confusion, and teasing and such...no one would just say "k guys i'm gay now" and WANT to put up with it. My friend tried to experiment with that "choice" thing our junior year (the Bible person yes lol) and she was like "K I'LL BE BI NOW" and I'm thinking "...you can't just...ugh...WOMAN! v_v" but the point was proven. Just cause she said she was gonna be bi at that point didn't mean she actually liked boys and girls. She couldn't do it, lol. She settled down with her gay bashing after that luckily. I don't associate with her anymore though, so I don't know where she stands on it now.

I'm sorry if I'm stepping on any toes here. ;-; I can get really ranty and say things without thinking sometimes, so I apologize in advance if that ever happens. 8D; Or if that happened just now...lol

Oryx
May 27th, 2011, 04:56 PM
I think I'll join. I'm not gay myself, but I have plenty of friends who are, as well as being part of the GSA at school...which is interesting because Notre Dame won't accept it as an actual student organization even though it's applied 15 years in a row.


What got you into supporting gay rights? Who/What was your inspiration to do so?

I never really thought about gay rights when I was younger, not until I transferred into Catholic school in 10th grade. In fact, I kind of have to say that the only people I had met that even mentioned it were the kind of people that I knew only did it for shock value, so all my experience was with people that were gay/bi as a joke pretty much, not taking it seriously and only doing it because it was cool among our group of friends. When I transferred though, I met one of my friends from middle school that came out while we hadn't been talking as being bi, and I had a huge crush on a boy that came out that year as being gay. Both of these people were in the top 10% of our class. They were honors students with big goals and big dreams, and just happened to be bi/gay (although the girl admitted later that she's actually gay as well, she just hates the word lesbian haha). From them I met a lot of people in my school who were either bi or gay, including a very popular lesbian couple.

Despite the fact that it was a Catholic school and everyone automatically thinks "oh, it's Catholic, that means everyone hates gays, right?", it mostly wasn't that way, even among the few nuns that still taught there. The principal was in love with my gay guy friend, and he would visit her for long talks about why same-sex couples can't buy couples tickets to proms, and any problems he might have with other guys messing with him. I had to visit her once with him myself because of an issue with a few guys that I happened to know, and she embodied the true Catholic spirit towards these kinds of things: she didn't think of him as an evil gay, but just as a person who's having trouble with bullying.

So after meeting more gay people in Catholic high school then I had met in my entire life (lol), I graduated and now I go to Notre Dame, where the students are...interesting. I had one friend who expressed interest in me, and one of the main reasons I would never date him is because he thinks being gay is "wrong". Meanwhile, there's a strong GSA who has applied for club status every year for 15 years straight and has been denied, and a school who refuses to add sexual orientation to their non-discrimination clause. So that's about where I am with LGBT issues right now, lol.

Sorry for the tl;dr. >_>

Hybrid Trainer
May 27th, 2011, 05:34 PM
One thing that always bothered me in those discussions was when people would say it's a choice to be gay. Who in their right mind CHOOSES to go through that kind of stuff though? The bullying, confusion, and teasing and such...
Not that being gay is a bad thing though x]

The amount of people I've had to try and convince that being gay isn't a choice has gone way past being funny. I'm even having constant arguments with one of my best friends who refuses to believe that being gay isn't a choice simply because he said he tried to be gay at one point. Which makes no sense at all ¬.¬

Is it just me who has no idea what these GSA clubs are all about? I find it funny that even though my college does an adult course that specialises in 'Sexual Minority Therapy Counselling' (which deals with coming out, oppression and the general life style) we still lack to have one x]

Drew
May 27th, 2011, 09:05 PM
15 years of denying a GSA club? Ugh, that's so wrong. Can't say that I'm surprised, though.

Also, yeah, I've never understood the people who think being gay is a choice. Like Syd said, what sane person would choose to just wake up one morning, decide to be gay, and go through all the suffering just for the heck of it? xD; Some people. -shakes head-

Likewise, I feel bad for the people who go through 'cleansing' or whatever, to try to get rid of their homosexuality. Like "Do these steps, repeat these actions daily, etc etc - and you will no longer be gay! The demons will be out of your body!", and then some of the people actually go with it, and say they aren't gay anymore, just to get people to leave them alone. Makes me feel bad for them. :/

FreakyLocz14
May 27th, 2011, 09:05 PM
Well, this makes me even more glad that I never became a member of the Human Rights Campaign. They are more concerned about their liberal politics than LGBT rights.

http://www.goproud.org/hrc-officially-ends-charade-of-%E2%80%9Cbipartisanship%E2%80%9D-with-pre-emptive-obama-endorsement/

donavannj
May 27th, 2011, 09:54 PM
Totally joining.

Welcome to Drew, Charizard, solarowl, and Ctrl.Alt.Geek!

Here is a nice news story where Franken (Minnesota senator) speaks out against the proposed anti-gay marriage amendment (http://www.washingtonblade.com/2011/05/23/franken-comes-out-against-minn-marriage-amendment/)

This marriage amendment is an embarrassment to the state of Minnesota. Many people voted the Republicans in for their financial policies (which I think are stupidly uncompromising in and of themselves, but I'll keep that out of here) and because they were sick of nothing getting done, not their social policies. Although we certainly do have our fair share of social conservatives here now, especially with the considerable number of transplants moving to the Twin Cities suburbs.

@Freaky: As it stands right now, Democrats are more likely to be friendlier to general human rights than their GOP counterparts.

What got you into supporting gay rights? Who/What was your inspiration to do so?
My personal views of what basic human rights consist of and exactly how far those should extend, as well as highly liberal teachers in elementary school teaching about accepting people for who they are.

Sydian
May 27th, 2011, 10:17 PM
@Drew: WHAAAAAAT. That's so weird. :( Reminds me of a member (don't think they're here anymore) that said he was gay, but was gonna marry a woman and have kids. I don't remember his reasons, but I felt so bad and concerned. He shouldn't have to hide who he is to make...whoever he was trying to make happy.

FreakyLocz14
May 27th, 2011, 10:46 PM
@Freaky: As it stands right now, Democrats are more likely to be friendlier to general human rights than their GOP counterparts.

I think it's unfair to endorse Obama until we know who the GOP candidate will be. I say that especially since we have two moderately pro-LGBT candidates running and an openly homosexual man running, as well.

I don't want to turn this thread into a debate, though. I'm just saying that this endorsement is pretty premature.

Impo
May 28th, 2011, 12:00 AM
I'll join this.

I think I am asexual, but I can't be sure (after all, I'm only young).
But despite my age I support in gay rights and believe if two people love each other their gender shouldn't matter.

Sodom
May 28th, 2011, 04:19 AM
I think I'll join. I'm not gaymyself, but I have plenty of friends who are, as well as being part of the GSA at school...which is interesting because Notre Dame won't accept it as an actual student organization even though it's applied 15 years in a row.

Hey Toujours, welcome! Have they given an actual reason for not accepting the group? It may not be appropriate given it's a Catholic school (gay-friendly as the school may be, it's not exactly in the official Catholic party line and may be hard to explain to higher-ups?)

Totally joining.

Welcome, donnavannj!

I'll join this.

I think I am asexual, but I can't be sure (after all, I'm only young).
But despite my age I support in gay rights and believe if two people love each other their gender shouldn't matter.

Welcome Impo! Well, I think as an asexual you're represented by one of the A's at the end anyway, so you fit :D


OK. Now the official business is over, I can actually get discussing stuff :P

On the "who chooses to be gay" line, I've actually come across a lot of parents who perpetuate this with their denial. Like, "oh he's just doing this to be rebellious" etc, simply because they can't get their head around the fact that the life they had envisioned for their child will not be the life their child gets. I think the worst thing a parent can do for a child is to want things for them. Let people want for themselves.

Impo
May 28th, 2011, 04:26 AM
On the "who chooses to be gay" line, I've actually come across a lot of parents who perpetuate this with their denial. Like, "oh he's just doing this to be rebellious" etc, simply because they can't get their head around the fact that the life they had envisioned for their child will not be the life their child gets. I think the worst thing a parent can do for a child is to want things for them. Let people want for themselves.

I don't like how some parents won't accept their child's sexual orientation. My mother is always telling me that I can be whoever I want and she'll always love me, which I think is great (I'm pretty sure she thinks I'm gay though, but it's nice to know if I was she wouldn't try to change me).

I'm a closeted asexual, particularly because during my age (school mostly) people will consider you rather... disorientated.

Sodom
May 28th, 2011, 04:45 AM
Ah, parents. This has actually given me inspiration for a new topic to introduce.

Have you come out of the closet? If so, and if you feel comfortable enough here in this safe space, share your coming out story with us. How did your parents/friends take it? Describe the scenario.

Or, if you aren't of a minority sexuality and are posting here as an ally, tell us what it's like on the other side. Has anyone ever come out to you? Were they scared of how you'd react? How did they do it?

Hybrid Trainer
May 28th, 2011, 05:31 AM
On the "who chooses to be gay" line, I've actually come across a lot of parents who perpetuate this with their denial. Like, "oh he's just doing this to be rebellious" etc, simply because they can't get their head around the fact that the life they had envisioned for their child will not be the life their child gets. I think the worst thing a parent can do for a child is to want things for them. Let people want for themselves.

Well that's really one of the biggest fears of anyone really, gay straight or whatever is for your parents not to accept who you are or who you've become. Yea it'll be harder for gay kids because being gay is still a fairly rare thing compared to being straight and there are so many different opinions its near impossible to know exactly how your parents will react to such news.

Have you come out of the closet? If so, and if you feel comfortable enough here in this safe space, share your coming out story with us. How did your parents/friends take it? Describe the scenario.


Well i'm not offically 'out' so to speak as there are still a large quantity of people that don't know yet but i did come out to my friends last summer. I only came out to one of my friends first because i thought that we'd got to know each other so well that i felt like I wanted to tell him about me. I was having a conversation with him over facebook through comments on some status, about half way through this conversation I got this urge to tell him. I can't really explain it but it was a bit like an epiphany moment x] So we moved the conversation over to MSN. Here i did this weird build up of making him promise he wouldn't tell anyone until i said he could, so after he swore he wouldn't i finally told him. It kinda killed the whole moment that he didn't read over the message properly and i had to tell him to go and read it again ¬.¬ But after that he went quite and we didn't talk much until we went offline. So unfortunately he wasn't really cool with knowing it and lets just say we don't talk any more.
But in-between all of the drama with the last guy i told i also told another one of my close friends. This time i wanted to see if it was any easier to tell someone in person rather than have that horrible part of silence over IM when the other person is typing. To do this when i met up with him i said i had something to tell him, because he was the really annoying noisy friend i knew he wouldn't let it drop until i told him. So we went the whole day and we met up with one of his friends and by the end he was starting to loose it because i'd still yet to tell him lol. After walking his friend home i thought i'd say it, this was actually a billion times harder than doing it over IM xD i was so nervous when the words came out of my mouth my entire body went tense. My hands went into fists so tight that my finger nails drew blood from my palms. But after that we decided to take the long way back to my bus stop so he could ask questions and such. He actually took it quite well which was a relief. He still finds it funny to take the mick out of me because of it though ¬.¬
And then after that i thought i'd try getting someone else to tell them, so i got the friend who i told in person to tell two of my other friends that i was gay. To be quite honest i found it amusing as usually they don't stop arguing and never shut but after he told them they went completely mute. There ok with it too, so everything worked out fine there.
And then finally i thought i'd tell the rest of my friends via facebook. I posted a status that someone on PC helped me write because my english skills suck xD At first people thought it was a joke and someone facebook raped me but once it finally sunk in i got a few messages saying that they were cool with it, and even better not a single message saying something negative :D about half my friend list did un-friend me over the next few weeks but still, at least they did it discreetly :D

Alternative
May 28th, 2011, 06:12 AM
As an ally of this place, I have known people who are gay, but no one has really come out to me. I'm not exactly the person who is everyone's best friend. I've known people who are gay and stuff, but I haven't had anyone come up to me and tell me that they are gay.

Anyway, this has brought me to thinking. Last year for a project, someone I knew who was in one of my certificate courses made a video for a totally not-related subject. Anyway, he made a mini-movie based on what like would be like if the whole gay/straight thing was reversed. So it was normal to be gay, and considered "weird" to our society today to be straight. I can say it sure was interesting.

Impo
May 28th, 2011, 06:49 AM
Anyway, this has brought me to thinking. Last year for a project, someone I knew who was in one of my certificate courses made a video for a totally not-related subject. Anyway, he made a mini-movie based on what like would be like if the whole gay/straight thing was reversed. So it was normal to be gay, and considered "weird" to our society today to be straight. I can say it sure was interesting.

...That sounds like a blockbuster-movie idea. It does sound interesting, sometimes I wonder why people think it's wrong to be gay. Considering I don't see anything wrong with it and I'm not gay, I don't see any reasons for others to see it as wrong.

Ctrl.Alt.Geak
May 28th, 2011, 07:21 AM
Have you come out of the closet? If so, and if you feel comfortable enough here in this safe space, share your coming out story with us. How did your parents/friends take it? Describe the scenario.
I tried to tell my mother about 6 years ago, she literally said "No you're not" and I agreed with her and made like it was a joke or something (so I basically re-closeted myself), a few years later she asks "If you were gay you'd tell me right?" to which I said "Of course! But I'm not so don't worry". When I first hit high school she sent me to an in-school program, that was run by the church which basically shoved gender stereotypes in our face and told us to act and look a certain way.
I did tell a friend of mine a few months ago, he didn't take it well, he has nothing against gay people but he wasnt exactly happy about it, we dont talk to each other anymore.
I met an FtM recently who just assumed that I had no interest in the opposite sex however I dont really plan to tell anyone else for a while now.

BlooMilk C.
May 28th, 2011, 07:54 AM
Hi, I've been lurking this thread lately, but I'd like to join. I support the LGBTQ community 100% :). Anyway, I'll answer some of the new topics here so that I can keep the conversation going.

No, I haven't come out of the closet, but I've told two of my friends. I knew one of them wouldn't accept me, so I had to explain to her that homosexuality wasn't a choice, and that it is the way people are. I remember she said something about an "It Gets Better" video that she was looking at, and she had kind of set me off. She didn't know how hard it was for some people, and she asked me why I knew about all this, and I said it was because I'm gay, because I wanted to be honest. I told her that she was the first person I had told, and it was fine, but it was kind of a shock for her. It had caused a little anger with me from her, but we made up again. Then I told my other friend. She doesn't like inappropriate jokes, and is mostly set off from the other kids, so I told her, and she was completely fine with it. So far, these are the only people I've told.

FreakyLocz14
May 28th, 2011, 08:45 AM
Have you come out of the closet? If so, and if you feel comfortable enough here in this safe space, share your coming out story with us. How did your parents/friends take it? Describe the scenario.

Or, if you aren't of a minority sexuality and are posting here as an ally, tell us what it's like on the other side. Has anyone ever come out to you? Were they scared of how you'd react? How did they do it?

I advocate passively being out rather than actively coming out. Heterosexuals don't have to come out, so why should others? It draws unnecessary attention to the situation and reinforces the idea that it's so different that one felt the need to announce it.

Venusaur♣
May 28th, 2011, 08:48 AM
I'm trying to convince two people that are close to me (friend and family member) to come out of the closet and tell people. But, it's not working out to well, they're both girls, and they don't really want to be judged. My friends mom and dad are deeply against gay/bisexual marriages and people. I don't understand why they do, but they don't let any of her gay friends come into their house or at least while they are there. She once asked her parents what they would do if she was a lesbian and they told her that they would probably disown her. I really thought that was horrible, but I highly doubt her parents would do that.

As for my cousin, my family judges. A lot. But, I'm trying to get her to tell her mom, not her dad tho. I'm pretty sure her mom will be more understanding than her dad. Her mom is nice and all, but she's a bit suspicious because she overheard a part of our conversation. Her dad on the other hand is strongly against it. He even said all gay people should go shoot themselves because it's unnatural. He's the type of person who wouldn't be scared to beat his kids, and he even said 'If I end up killing one, I'll just make another one.' So yea, I don't know if I should still help them some out with it, but I told them I'm here for them.

Oryx
May 28th, 2011, 09:21 AM
Hey Toujours, welcome! Have they given an actual reason for not accepting the group? It may not be appropriate given it's a Catholic school (gay-friendly as the school may be, it's not exactly in the official Catholic party line and may be hard to explain to higher-ups?)

Their "explanation" is that we have something called the Core Council, which is a panel of 8 students that's like a GSA, except without open acceptance of everyone since it's a panel. They try to tell the GSA that it's unnecessary because it's redundant due to the Core Council, as much as the Core Council itself tries to explain otherwise.

Sodom
May 28th, 2011, 03:45 PM
Hi, I've been lurking this thread lately, but I'd like to join. I support the LGBTQ community 100% :).

Welcome, BlooMilk C.! It's great that we're attracting lurkers XD


I advocate passively being out rather than actively coming out. Heterosexuals don't have to come out, so why should others? It draws unnecessary attention to the situation and reinforces the idea that it's so different that one felt the need to announce it.

I totally agree, I've often thought this. If we stop making it a big deal, then it will stop being a big deal - but unfortunately, talking about it and actually being in the situation are two different things, so this change will be very slow and gradual at best.

I tried to tell my mother about 6 years ago, she literally said "No you're not" and I agreed with her and made like it was a joke or something (so I basically re-closeted myself), a few years later she asks "If you were gay you'd tell me right?" to which I said "Of course! But I'm not so don't worry". When I first hit high school she sent me to an in-school program, that was run by the church which basically shoved gender stereotypes in our face and told us to act and look a certain way.
I did tell a friend of mine a few months ago, he didn't take it well, he has nothing against gay people but he wasnt exactly happy about it, we dont talk to each other anymore.
I met an FtM recently who just assumed that I had no interest in the opposite sex however I dont really plan to tell anyone else for a while now.

Wow, you seem to have had a rougher time of it than anyone ever should! That's terrible what your mother said, I can't imagine how you'd react to someone saying "No, you're not." I think I'd get defensive and be all "uh, excuse me, I think I'd know!"

Also, your friend - if he didn't take it well and doesn't talk to you anymore, are you sure he doesn't have anything against gay people?



Their "explanation" is that we have something called the Core Council, which is a panel of 8 students that's like a GSA, except without open acceptance of everyone since it's a panel. They try to tell the GSA that it's unnecessary because it's redundant due to the Core Council, as much as the Core Council itself tries to explain otherwise.

Ah, I see. So basically they're trying to tactfully squash the group, using the Core Council as a scapegoat?

Astinus
May 28th, 2011, 08:07 PM
I'm joining. I wasn't a part of the social group, so hopefully I'll be active in the club. As for how I identify: genderqueer biromantic asexual

I haven't come out as anything in real life. My parents are very religious (my mother particularly so), and they're really not open at all to anything different than "normal". Especially trans* issues. Anytime they're presented with an opportunity to learn, they ignore. So I'm keeping my identity as much of a secret as I can from them. It's also from their raising that I wasn't even aware of gays until I entered high school, which was the experience that completely opened my mind to...everything. (That, and the Internet, of course.)

Plus I know a lot of other close-minded people who assume that I should act more of how my sex says I should act rather than the way I'm most comfortable being. (To give some insight, I'm a female assigned at birth, who has a fluid gender, presents as androgynous, and prefers either gender-neutral pronouns [zie and zir] or male pronouns.)

Then there's the fact that some of the people that I spend my days with don't have good views on people who are bi. And asexuality isn't that well-known. So if I do come out, there's a lot of explaining I would have to do, and some days I'm just so tired of explaining everything every time.

On the plus side, there are a few people that know what I am. Only one person in real life knows, and he accepts me no matter what I do, so knowing him helps me get through my days. And all of my friends online have some idea about me because I'm more comfortable online. Which is quite obvious from this post.

Drew
May 29th, 2011, 01:03 AM
Hi, Asty! :D Good to see you joining. Also.. biromantic? Haven't heard that term. Sounds it would be something like dating either gender, depending on the person, even if you don't have any physical spark with them. Like.. a mental type crush, or something. That might be just typical asexuality, though.

&Ctrl.Alt.Geak, sorry about how your mom reacted some years back.
I feel bad for anyone who's parents either deny, ignore, or try to talk them out of it. My mom did a bit of the ignoring the issue for awhile, but apparently it was still on her mind a lot, even if she didn't want to bring it up with me, and pay attention to it. She eventually did, though. I can't understand how some parents would disown their own child, or deny their feelings, etc. It's depressing to think about.

Sodom
May 29th, 2011, 03:27 AM
I've never heard the term biromantic either, I'd love to hear more about it. The more diversity the better. Welcome Astinus!

Impo
May 29th, 2011, 03:56 AM
I think biromantic is when someone enjoys the romantic side of a relationship, like cuddles and love-notes.

I'm only guessing though,

Hybrid Trainer
May 29th, 2011, 04:01 AM
Well google says biromantic is when an asexual person is attracted more than one gender but without physical attraction.

I love this group so much, i seem to be learning more and more about these things every day :D like i didn't even know there were gender-neutral pronouns x]

Welcome to the group Astinus!

Timbjerr
May 29th, 2011, 06:50 AM
I've never heard the term biromantic either, I'd love to hear more about it. The more diversity the better. Welcome Astinus!

Since asexuals don't have any sexual attraction to any gender, we further identify mainly by who we become romantically and aesthetically attracted to. A biromantic like Astinus is open to having romantic relationships with either gender, heteroromantics like myself are primarily attracted to the opposite gender, homoromantics are attracted primarily to the same gender, then you've got panromantics and aromantics as well. XD

Just because an asexual doesn't feel the need for sex doesn't mean we don't have the same emotional needs as everyone else. :P

For further study, here's a good resource for a lot of the terminology used by asexuals: [link] (http://www.asexuality.org)

G.U.Y.
May 29th, 2011, 06:53 AM
Hello everyone, and welcome to the new members (which I finally added to the list!)

Sorry for not posting, been getting ready for graduation.

Ctrl.Alt.Geak
May 29th, 2011, 07:46 AM
Wow, you seem to have had a rougher time of it than anyone ever should! That's terrible what your mother said, I can't imagine how you'd react to someone saying "No, you're not." I think I'd get defensive and be all "uh, excuse me, I think I'd know!"

It would take a strong willed person to get defensive, but at the time I figured it would be easier to just agree with her. Most of my family have a very misguided view on what a homosexuality is.

On a lighter note; welcome to BlooMilkC and Astinus! :)

twistedpuppy
May 29th, 2011, 03:15 PM
Have you come out of the closet? If so, and if you feel comfortable enough here in this safe space, share your coming out story with us. How did your parents/friends take it? Describe the scenario.

I didn't really come out of the closet. It was more like I was exposed. The first time I was exposed was when my father started to dig around my browser history & found out what I was looking up on the internet. It's normal for a teenage boy to be curious about that kind of stuff. Don't judge. Anyways...you can imagine he wasn't pleased to find out his only son was looking up two guys kissing. He confronted me about & I remember his exact words to this day. "If you choose to live that kind of lifestyle you can no longer stay under my roof.". I was 14 at the time.

Two years later I decided to come out to a friend who I thought I could confide in. I was wrong. She went told everyone she could. Eventually I lost a few friends & after a while my best friend, or who I thought was my best friend, stopped talking to me & avoided me like the plague.

A year passed & this time I decided to come out to some of my family members. I told my mother first & she kind of expected it, but to this day she won't accept my sexuality. I told an uncle (dad's brother) next & he had the opposite reaction my dad had. He assured me that I was still his nephew & no matter who I was or what I did he would still love me. A year after I came out to him, another uncle of mine confronted me about my sexuality. Somehow he knew, but his reaction was the same as my other uncle. I was shocked by what he did. I was expecting the same reaction I got from my mother because they're both very religious, but instead he told me he still loves me as if I was his own son & gave me a hug.

So the moral of the story is people will disappoint you & they'll abandon you. But only the most loving & caring will stay by your side. /hallmark moment :'-)

Anyway, this has brought me to thinking. Last year for a project, someone I knew who was in one of my certificate courses made a video for a totally not-related subject. Anyway, he made a mini-movie based on what like would be like if the whole gay/straight thing was reversed. So it was normal to be gay, and considered "weird" to our society today to be straight. I can say it sure was interesting.

There's a musical with the same premise. It's called Were the World Mine.

Sydian
May 29th, 2011, 03:56 PM
I didn't really come out of the closet. It was more like I was exposed. The first time I was exposed was when my father started to dig around my browser history & found out what I was looking up on the internet. It's normal for a teenage boy to be curious about that kind of stuff. Don't judge. Anyways...you can imagine he wasn't pleased to find out his only son was looking up two guys kissing. He confronted me about & I remember his exact words to this day. "If you choose to live that kind of lifestyle you can no longer stay under my roof.". I was 14 at the time.

Two years later I decided to come out to a friend who I thought I could confide in. I was wrong. She went told everyone she could. Eventually I lost a few friends & after a while my best friend, or who I thought was my best friend, stopped talking to me & avoided me like the plague.

A year passed & this time I decided to come out to some of my family members. I told my mother first & she kind of expected it, but to this day she won't accept my sexuality. I told uncle (dad's brother) next & he had the opposite reaction my dad had. He assured me that I was still his nephew & no matter who I was or what I did he would still love me. A year after I came out to him, another uncle of mine confronted me about my sexuality. Somehow he knew, but his reaction was the same as my other uncle. I was shocked by what he did. I was expecting the same reaction I got from my mother because they're both very religious, but instead he told me he still loves me as if I was his own son & game me a hug.

So the moral of the story is people will disappoint you & they'll abandon you. But only the most loving & caring will stay by your side. /hallmark moment :'-)

Awww, that's touching. :'( Sucks that your friend went around and told everyone though, omg. What a chatter box.

I dont' have a "coming out" story, but the closest I can get to it is breaking away from my religious family in that they don't agree with it. It shouldn't be too difficult, considering I have a very liberal aunt and grandmother, but still, it's a weird feeling to finally have an opinion way different than how you were raised to think.

I'm joining. I wasn't a part of the social group, so hopefully I'll be active in the club. As for how I identify: genderqueer biromantic asexual

I haven't come out as anything in real life. My parents are very religious (my mother particularly so), and they're really not open at all to anything different than "normal". Especially trans* issues. Anytime they're presented with an opportunity to learn, they ignore. So I'm keeping my identity as much of a secret as I can from them. It's also from their raising that I wasn't even aware of gays until I entered high school, which was the experience that completely opened my mind to...everything. (That, and the Internet, of course.)

Plus I know a lot of other close-minded people who assume that I should act more of how my sex says I should act rather than the way I'm most comfortable being. (To give some insight, I'm a female assigned at birth, who has a fluid gender, presents as androgynous, and prefers either gender-neutral pronouns [zie and zir] or male pronouns.)

Then there's the fact that some of the people that I spend my days with don't have good views on people who are bi. And asexuality isn't that well-known. So if I do come out, there's a lot of explaining I would have to do, and some days I'm just so tired of explaining everything every time.

On the plus side, there are a few people that know what I am. Only one person in real life knows, and he accepts me no matter what I do, so knowing him helps me get through my days. And all of my friends online have some idea about me because I'm more comfortable online. Which is quite obvious from this post.

Welcome mommy! :) <3 idc you're my mommy always lol ;;

Had a lot of reading and catching up to do, but I agree with Hybrid Trainer. It's so great to learn about all this stuff. :)

Also, about parents having difficult reactions, I'm not a parent, and don't really intend on being one (or well, at least not soon), but I am a sympathizer. I imagine it's hard to accept when your child has become something you disapprove of, or something that you would have never expected or wanted from your child. In all honesty, if I had a child that came out as being gay, I would have a hard time accepting it too, however, I wouldn't go as far to disown them and/or stop loving them. I'd learn to accept it eventually. I guess the whole "disowning" thing is just a weird way of trying to deal with it for them. This is just what I'm assuming though, judging from the stories here and stories I've heard elsewhere.

Or, if you aren't of a minority sexuality and are posting here as an ally, tell us what it's like on the other side. Has anyone ever come out to you? Were they scared of how you'd react? How did they do it?

I have never had anyone come out to me. But this does remind me of another story. My Bible face-shoving friend (yeah, I'll mention her a lot) dated a guy for three years that was using her as a cover up. And she had noooo idea. Figured she would have caught on by the fact he wouldn't kiss her or anything, but then again, they were younger so idk. But anyway, he eventually broke up with her after coming out and pretty much everyone in school thought she made him gay. Even she was convinced of it at one point, and just thought she turned guys gay. People wouldn't even talk to her and it was pretty much impossible for her to get a boyfriend for about a year.

Yeah, I've jumped topics like four times in one post. D; My bad, lmao.

Hybrid Trainer
May 29th, 2011, 04:01 PM
Omg twisted that is amazing that you could take something positive from such a negative experience. Its great about how your uncles reacted but to hear that from your own father must've been a horrible.

twistedpuppy
May 29th, 2011, 05:43 PM
I think that anyone here who has ever had estranged relationship with a parent, sibling, or extended family member would agree that family isn't just a blood relation. It's something you form through relationships with people. It hurts when the family you were given at birth rejects you, but you have to realize you're not alone in this world. Your family is bigger than you think it is. /cheesy speech over.

aRedMoon
May 29th, 2011, 07:46 PM
I remember the days when such a topic was taboo here at PC, even though a majority of us would admit to our not-straight sexualities on MSN or such...

Hi, I'm Greg. I'm gay, and moreorless out. My family knows (they just fail to acknowledge it, most of the time) and if anyone asks, I'm like "Oh, yeah."

What got you into supporting LGBT rights? Who/What was your inspiration to do so?
Uh, well, I'm gay. o/ It's also seemed like the right thing to do. I went through school in a "worldly" curriculum, and that basically opened me to the idea that everyone should be equal. Combined with my own personal bias, I don't see why adoption/marriage should be limited to just a man/woman. :-D


As for the Minnesota bill... grrrr. As a kid that's been born and raised here, it seriously pisses me off that my state would even consider that bull. I know it's already in the books that I won't be able to marry, but we should be going the opposite way!!! >O


Have you come out of the closet? If so, and if you feel comfortable enough here in this safe space, share your coming out story with us. How did your parents/friends take it? Describe the scenario.
My parental story is the same blah story of tears, hugs, and screams, so I'll ignore that.

My fun one is actually the first person I came out to IRL. (I've been a gayfag online forever, but not so much IRL. I was a closetcase) I had a serious crush on this boy a year younger than me, and my friend kinda had... access to the computer system, where information is stored.

She was bugging me to find out who I liked, and I made a deal - if I told her, she'd have to get the information for me. :D She was a little surprised when it was a boy, and I got my piece of paper with his full name, address... and *_* his picture. This was in like, November, way before the yearbook would come out - so this was my best bet. ;) Stalkerish, bad, but it made me life. I called it "Pretty Paper" and I kept it close to my heart.

---

I won't likely be active in here, but I may pop in from time to time :D I'm not active on PC at all (except in my Webbies section, where I post every few weeks to all the updated threads...) but I'll try. ;D

Sodom
May 30th, 2011, 03:29 AM
Welcome, Greg! Thanks for sharing your stories with us :) I look forward to your future pop-ins :)

Have you come out of the closet? If so, and if you feel comfortable enough here in this safe space, share your coming out story with us. How did your parents/friends take it? Describe the scenario.

I didn't really come out of the closet. It was more like I was exposed. The first time I was exposed was when my father started to dig around my browser history & found out what I was looking up on the internet. It's normal for a teenage boy to be curious about that kind of stuff. Don't judge. Anyways...you can imagine he wasn't pleased to find out his only son was looking up two guys kissing. He confronted me about & I remember his exact words to this day. "If you choose to live that kind of lifestyle you can no longer stay under my roof.". I was 14 at the time.

Two years later I decided to come out to a friend who I thought I could confide in. I was wrong. She went told everyone she could. Eventually I lost a few friends & after a while my best friend, or who I thought was my best friend, stopped talking to me & avoided me like the plague.

A year passed & this time I decided to come out to some of my family members. I told my mother first & she kind of expected it, but to this day she won't accept my sexuality. I told an uncle (dad's brother) next & he had the opposite reaction my dad had. He assured me that I was still his nephew & no matter who I was or what I did he would still love me. A year after I came out to him, another uncle of mine confronted me about my sexuality. Somehow he knew, but his reaction was the same as my other uncle. I was shocked by what he did. I was expecting the same reaction I got from my mother because they're both very religious, but instead he told me he still loves me as if I was his own son & gave me a hug.

So the moral of the story is people will disappoint you & they'll abandon you. But only the most loving & caring will stay by your side. /hallmark moment :'-)

Oh my God! So, your father... how are things with him now? If you're now 'out' and your father knows it, does that mean you're no longer allowed to live at home? I personally find him to be a disgusting excuse for a human being (there are more expletives I won't use because he's still your father and you may not like people talking badly of him :P)

Your friend I'm not so surprised by, but your parents' reactions break my heart. I'm so sorry you had to go through that.

twistedpuppy
June 1st, 2011, 08:03 AM
Oh my God! So, your father... how are things with him now? If you're now 'out' and your father knows it, does that mean you're no longer allowed to live at home? I personally find him to be a disgusting excuse for a human being (there are more expletives I won't use because he's still your father and you may not like people talking badly of him :P)

Your friend I'm not so surprised by, but your parents' reactions break my heart. I'm so sorry you had to go through that.

Things with him are ok. He's learn to tolerate my sexuality. Sort of.
He thinks that me being gay is my problem not his. Interpret that however you'd like.

I'm out & I'm still welcomed under 'his' roof. I'm just not allowed to bring any guys over. Gay ones at least. It's something to do with their religion & I have to respect that.

Sodom
June 1st, 2011, 04:08 PM
Ugh their religion, I think people use that as a cop-out because they know religion is the one thing people feel they have to respect. I get that you have to abide by it because it's their house (and I say house, not home, because it's your home too and you should be able to be yourself in it), but you do not have to respect it. I know I don't. So, they're never going to want anything to do with that part of your life? Even if you fall in love and decide to get married, you're never going to be allowed to bring your husband into their home? That's just disgusting.

FreakyLocz14
June 1st, 2011, 04:32 PM
Have you ever been "gay bashed" or know anybody that has? What tips would you give to others to avoid that or to defend yourself?

As much as I'd hate to interject politics into this, I firmly believe that the right to bear arms would benefit the LGBT community because of bashing.

Hybrid Trainer
June 1st, 2011, 04:47 PM
As much as I'd hate to interject politics into this, I firmly believe that the right to bear arms would benefit the LGBT community because of bashing.
I'm confused doesn't to bear arms mean to have weapons?

Have you ever been "gay bashed" or know anybody that has? What tips would you give to others to avoid that or to defend yourself.
Not once have i ever gay bashed. i've always been like, whats the problem with gay people?
but i have friends who casually gay bash against me as a joke, sometimes they go a bit to far by calling me something like ******, which is where i draw the line, and i end up flipping out at them and give the whole speech about me calling them some sort of racial word.
I also know a few people who are all like 'ZOMG JESUS WASN'T GAY SO GAY IS WRONG HERP DERP' which is just stupid so i usually avoid them and let them go and play with all the other bigots who believe in all that bull.

twistedpuppy
June 1st, 2011, 05:18 PM
As much as I'd hate to interject politics into this, I firmly believe that the right to bear arms would benefit the LGBT community because of bashing.

I get it, but doesn't that add fuel to the fire if the victim & the basher know each other?

Have you ever been "gay bashed" or know anybody that has? What tips would you give to others to avoid that or to defend yourself.

I've never been gay bashed, but I do know someone who has. A friend of mine was coming back home after a book signing with his boyfriend. They stopped at gas station to refuel & while they were there they noticed a group of men giving them strange looks. My friend Larry knew something was wrong & immediately told his boyfriend to get back in the car. Before Larry could get back in the car & drive away, the group of me ran over & started beating him. The police were called, but the men had left the scene before they could arrive. Larry had suffered some serious head injuries. It was so bad that he had learn how to walk & talk all over again. He was like a blank slate. He's fine now, but there are still a few things he doesn't remember. He does carry a firearm with him at all times because of this incident.

If you ever run into a situation where someone is verbally harassing you, just walk away. If you want to talk some sense into that person then always maintain a sense of dignity. Don't make it into a screaming contest because things will just escalate into violence. But if you should ever run into a situation like my friend Larry did, protect yourself. Do whatever you have to do to keep yourself safe & whoever is with you, but also try your best to get out of it & call the authorities. Don't try to solve this on your own.

Esper
June 1st, 2011, 05:25 PM
Is this a private party or can anyone join? I don't know if I'd be very active, but I'd like to be.

What got you into supporting gay rights? Who/What was your inspiration to do so? Have you come out of the closet? If so, and if you feel comfortable enough here in this safe space, share your coming out story with us. How did your parents/friends take it? Describe the scenario.

Just gonna mix the questions together in one tl;dr answer. My story is that I was always a quiet boy, a boy because when I was really young I didn't think you could be anything but what you looked like and what people treated you as, and quiet because I didn't always feel comfortable doing things with other boys so I kept to myself a lot. So, yeah, I'm transgendered, although I'm not totally keen on using labels because I don't fall totally within the bounds of what that typically means since I'm also bisexual in the sense that I've been attracted to guys and girls, but I'm also not bisexual because I'm not generally attracted to the male or female body specifically. I'm also not completely sure I want to have surgery either. I'm actually fairly certain I don't want to.

I guess I got into the whole community/rights thing in high school. Before that I was just trying my best to keep people from pushing me to do boy things so I put on the guise, did a few token things here and there so no one would worry too much, and just didn't think too much about anything. Then I had this one teacher who was totally outside of what you expect from teachers, trying to get us to think and care about things in the world. That's kind of where I got into supporting people, standing up for rights, and all that. It wasn't really about gay rights per se, but it turned out that one of the first friends I made in high school (and you have to understand that until HS I had, like, 2 friends and they were both Mormon, so yeah) came out to me and eventually I got into the GSA and got to meet all the other queer kids who were out. I suppose it was all of them, my teacher included, who were my inspiration.

I guess I came out, sort of, at homecoming where I was on the GSA's float and I wore a dress in public for the first time. That whole night turned out badly and I went back into hiding, letting everyone assume I was just a troublemaker, until after high school. Even then I've been mostly quiet about it, or at least low key. I don't often wear skirts or dresses or anything that's not 'gender neutral' because I don't feel I *need* to prove my identity to people, but also because I'm still scared of loosing my job, some of my friends, and generally having bad reactions. I know, stupid, but hey, that's where I am. Still, I'm pushing the limits of how a 'guy' is supposed to look and act anyway and even little things like that make me happy.

Oh, that wasn't as long as I thought it would be. lol

Sodom
June 1st, 2011, 05:27 PM
Have you ever been "gay bashed" or know anybody that has? What tips would you give to others to avoid that or to defend yourself.

No, I haven't, and I don't know anyone in real life who has been physically bashed because of their sexuality.

Freaky, as against guns as I am, I can't help but partly agree that it would help the gay community to be able to pull something out of your jacket and say "back the hell off or I will kill you." But, satisfying as that image is in my head, I know that it would only escalate the contempt some feel for the gay community and make the overall problem worse.

Sydian
June 1st, 2011, 05:38 PM
Have you ever been "gay bashed" or know anybody that has? What tips would you give to others to avoid that or to defend yourself.

Hmm, I wanna say that I've been around when a bunch of guys were gay bashing, and I got tired of hearing it and just blurted out "You know, gay people are people too. And don't act like you don't enjoy lesbians, I know you do. They're gay too. How you like them apples?" lmao I tend to have horrible insults to people. :(

And actually, I don't know if this really counts, but I sorta have been gay bashed, or rather, accused of being gay. I went to this really horrible school in 6th grade. Like, if you hung out with someone of the same sex all the time, like I did, then OMG YOU WERE GAY. So I was trying to read this guy's shirt after lunch one day, but my far off vision isn't the best, so I mean, it looked like I was all into staring, but I was just trying to read his shirt was all. Then he took notice and loudly blurted out "Stop staring at me, you little gay freak!!" :| I was too embarrassed to even say that I was just reading his shirt. Oh well. v_v

NurseBarbra
June 1st, 2011, 06:24 PM
Have you ever been "gay bashed" or know anybody that has? What tips would you give to others to avoid that or to defend yourself.

As much as I'd hate to interject politics into this, I firmly believe that the right to bear arms would benefit the LGBT community because of bashing.
But you can't have that, because if the LGBT community gets guns, then anyone with half a braincell could get a gun.


I'm confused doesn't to bear arms mean to have weapons?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U36CML-ngpg/TazviQB5W0I/AAAAAAAAABE/NZ2PLcXLb2o/s1600/family+guy+bear+arms.jpg
This.

Have you ever been "gay bashed" or know anybody that has? What tips would you give to others to avoid that or to defend yourself.
Yes I have been "gay bashed". When I first came out in my school during first year, everyone whispered behind me as I walked by, I got different types of milkshakes trown at me and was even beaten up once, And when I told the teachers they said they needed hard proof that the bullying was because I was gay. At the start of summer I decided to take up shotokan karate (A tradition in my family when you hit the age 14/15 mark), It boosted my confidence, and eventually when some idiot (I'm using the phrase "Idiot" lightly...) decided he'd try fight me, He wound up with a broken wrist and 2 bruised ribs (I don't encourage violence BTW). I also lost a few friends just because I was gay, and a guy in my class hates me because I am who I am, He screamed In my face that being gay was sick and wrong and that I should go die, But ever since then up to a point he said that I was the A-hole.
At the end it turned out that he was gay and that he hated me for the fact that I had enough confidence to be who I am (Surprize surprize...).

As for advice, I'd find 2 or 3 girls to just hang around with so you don't get bullied as much (Breasts work in MAGICAL ways... *InsertKatyPerryJokeHere*), And If you do get bullied remember to not give a reaction, that's all they want from you. (I'm not really good at giving advice at 3:40am)

Astinus
June 1st, 2011, 06:40 PM
I'll admit that NurseBarbra's reference to Family Guy made me laugh.

Have you ever been "gay bashed" or know anybody that has? What tips would you give to others to avoid that or to defend yourself.

I've been harassed due to being genderqueer, instead of for my sexuality. I'm more open with my gender, not dressing or acting like how people thought I should. So all through my years at school, I was insulted or physically attacked (in petty ways) for being comfortable with myself.

Unfortunately, I don't have any advice for avoiding it. What I did was ignore who was doing it and count down the days until I was out of school.

Ctrl.Alt.Geak
June 1st, 2011, 07:31 PM
Have you ever been "gay bashed" or know anybody that has? What tips would you give to others to avoid that or to defend yourself.

I've never been gay bashed, but I do know someone who has. A friend of mine was coming back home after a book signing with his boyfriend. They stopped at gas station to refuel & while they were there they noticed a group of men giving them strange looks. My friend Larry knew something was wrong & immediately told his boyfriend to get back in the car. Before Larry could get back in the car & drive away, the group of me ran over & started beating him. The police were called, but the men had left the scene before they could arrive. Larry had suffered some serious head injuries. It was so bad that he had learn how to walk & talk all over again. He was like a blank slate. He's fine now, but there are still a few things he doesn't remember. He does carry a firearm with him at all times because of this incident.


That is absolutely terrible what happened to your friend Larry. I would not wish that upon anyone. I'm glad to hear he is fine now but it is quite scarey to think it happened in the first place.

FreakyLocz14
June 1st, 2011, 07:42 PM
I'm confused doesn't to bear arms mean to have weapons?.

Yes, that's what it means.

Have you ever been "gay bashed" or know anybody that has? What tips would you give to others to avoid that or to defend yourself?

No, I haven't, and I don't know anyone in real life who has been physically bashed because of their sexuality.

Freaky, as against guns as I am, I can't help but partly agree that it would help the gay community to be able to pull something out of your jacket and say "back the hell off or I will kill you." But, satisfying as that image is in my head, I know that it would only escalate the contempt some feel for the gay community and make the overall problem worse.

A person isn't worried about contempt when they're at risk of becoming the next Matthew Sheppard. If someone was to get physically bashed, I'd fully support their right to shoot their assailant(s). Hell, I'd shoot them if I were to see that happen. I'll be legally carrying one of these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_pistol) around once I turn 21, so they better not let me catch them.

Sodom
June 2nd, 2011, 01:31 AM
At the start of summer I decided to take up shotokan karate (A tradition in my family when you hit the age 14/15 mark), It boosted my confidence, and eventually when some idiot (I'm using the phrase "Idiot" lightly...) decided he'd try fight me, He wound up with a broken wrist and 2 bruised ribs (I don't encourage violence BTW).

This is easily the most satisfying thing I have read all day. I'm so sorry all that happened to you, but what you made of it put the hugest smile on my face :)

Is this a private party or can anyone join? I don't know if I'd be very active, but I'd like to be.

Of course it's not a private party! Welcome, thanks for being here :) and thanks for sharing your story!

I don't often wear skirts or dresses or anything that's not 'gender neutral' because I don't feel I *need* to prove my identity to people, but also because I'm still scared of loosing my job, some of my friends, and generally having bad reactions. I know, stupid, but hey, that's where I am. Still, I'm pushing the limits of how a 'guy' is supposed to look and act anyway and even little things like that make me happy.

That's not stupid, that's unfortunately where a lot of us are. That's why groups like these are created :)

Impo
June 2nd, 2011, 03:53 AM
At the start of summer I decided to take up shotokan karate (A tradition in my family when you hit the age 14/15 mark), It boosted my confidence, and eventually when some idiot (I'm using the phrase "Idiot" lightly...) decided he'd try fight me, He wound up with a broken wrist and 2 bruised ribs (I don't encourage violence BTW).


....That was great. I hope you stuck it to him good. It's nice to know you are proud of who you are and won't stand for bullying :) .

Ursula
June 2nd, 2011, 10:11 PM
I'll be joining this, of course. I'm gay, y'all & I'm the president of my university's Gay/Straight Alliance.

What got you into supporting gay rights? Who/What was your inspiration to do so?Being gay and not having my voice heard/represented. I can't exactly say who my inspiration was. It's quite a conglomeration of people.


Have you come out of the closet? If so, and if you feel comfortable enough here in this safe space, share your coming out story with us. How did your parents/friends take it? Describe the scenario.Yes, I have.
The first idea that my parents had I was gay was when I was thirteen and wrote about it in a spiral. They told me it was just a phase, and I was too young to be certain.
Time went on, and things would happen, but they'd continually say it was a phase.
I got my first boyfriend in the fall of my senior year of high school [around November 2009], and well . . . due to them finding something (;]) on my computer, I blurted out to my mom, "Well this makes it easier for me to tell you: I have a boyfriend."

We didn't talk about it much until the summer of 2010, when I entered my next relationship. There was a lot of crying on both ends, but yeah. She told me she still loved me.

My mom told my dad at my request in December of 2010. He was really upset at first, but by the end of the month . . i actually brought my boyfriend home from college during the week of New Year's and they met him.

After certain recent events in my life [early april 2011] [which effected my activity on PC, which is why remaking the group wasn't my number one priority], my parents and I have actually gotten a lot closer. My dad and I had a rather long conversation about me being gay, and yeah. He's pretty much okay with it. He just thinks flaunting it everywhere is tacky - and I agree. I'm not going to shove my sexuality down anyone's throat. I'm the same person I've always been, I just like guys.

Regardless, my parents, over time, have come to accept it, and yeah. while it took a few years, it happened. :]

With my friends . . . well it was awkward.
When I told my closest friend [at the time], she thought I was asking her out. Needless to say, we weren't very close afterwards. She later told me that she prayed for me to change back. [we've hence made up, though]

Most of my other friends were pretty okay with it. I either told them, or they found out because I was dating this guy who went to school with us. It was actually kinda funny - even the teachers were talking about us XD;

I advocate passively being out rather than actively coming out. Heterosexuals don't have to come out, so why should others? It draws unnecessary attention to the situation and reinforces the idea that it's so different that one felt the need to announce it. I agree, to an extent. However, the fact of the matter is that we still live in a hetero-normative society where most people are assumed to be straight. I know if I didn't come out to my parents, life would be absurdly weird, and awkward.

Have you ever been "gay bashed" or know anybody that has? What tips would you give to others to avoid that or to defend yourself.Bashed? Not particularly. I've been called fag, and whatnot, but other than that, nothing physical occurred.

and, yeah.
hi.

G.U.Y.
June 3rd, 2011, 07:38 AM
Hey everyone and welcome to all the new people!

Sorry for not posting, I've been busy again but most stuff is out of the way so I will start posting regularly with news.

GAY NEWS--
Heck: Lady Gaga And Don Lemon show that gay "fad" is leading to "sexual anarchy" (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/heck-lady-gaga-and-don-lemon-show-gay-fad-leading-sexual-anarchy)
Catholic doctors offer homeopathic 'treatment' for homosexuality (http://www.thelocal.de/society/20110602-35417.html)
Same-sex couples joined in ‘historic’ civil union ceremonies (http://www.suntimes.com/5732716-417/same-sex-couples-joined-in-historic-civil-union-ceremonies.html)

Hybrid Trainer
June 3rd, 2011, 07:55 AM
Hiya Erik!!! :D i was wondering when you'd pop up here xD

It actually makes me feel sick reading about how people think they can 'cure' any other sexuality different than hetero. The only thing that is special about being straight is that you can breed, yet most of this hate is coming from a religion where if you completely dedicate yourself to the religion your not allowed to have children.
It just doesn't make sense to me.

Sydian
June 3rd, 2011, 10:40 AM
Hi Erik<33 :)

It actually makes me feel sick reading about how people think they can 'cure' any other sexuality than hetero. The only thing that is special about being straight is that you can breed, yet most of this hate is coming from a religion where if you completely dedicate yourself to the religion your not allowed to have children.
It just doesn't make sense to me.

Haha, never thought of it that way, that the only advantage to being straight is that I can breed (though, I don't really wanna).

Also, what is intersex? It's the I of the group, but I don't think anyone has joined as that, so I was just wondering what it meant exactly. ^^;

FreakyLocz14
June 3rd, 2011, 11:09 AM
Hi Erik<33 :)



Haha, never thought of it that way, that the only advantage to being straight is that I can breed (though, I don't really wanna).

Also, what is intersex? It's the I of the group, but I don't think anyone has joined as that, so I was just wondering what it meant exactly. ^^;

So are they saying that only hetero's should or can be cured?

Esper
June 3rd, 2011, 12:41 PM
Intersex covers a lot of things, usually people who have anatomy that isn't clearly male or female. It can also be something like a person with male chromosomes who develops outwardly as female. (I've actually met someone like this.) And it can also be used by people who don't want to be identified as either female or male.

Have you ever been "gay bashed" or know anybody that has? What tips would you give to others to avoid that or to defend yourself.

Yeah, I have. On top of occasional slurs and things I had rocks thrown at me and the other people I was with by a bunch of hicks at my high school's homecoming while we were on our GSA float. That part was actually not so bad, but tt got kind of dangerous after when I didn't have that (somewhat) safe distance and was on my own. I got confronted, threatened and so I ran away as fast as I could. Lucky for me a teacher noticed and followed me before I could do anything stupid.

I really don't know how to avoid it. To some degree it's just going to happen. Trying to physically defend yourself isn't a great idea because usually things happen when you're outnumbered. The best thing to do is never be alone anywhere you feel unsafe.

I'm not at all comfortable with the idea of using weapons because that could escalate things to a very dangerous place very quickly and I'd rather be beaten up than killed. Like I said already, there are usually more of them than there are of you so even a gun wouldn't necessarily keep you safe. You can't always rely on bystanders to intervene either. Sometimes they will, but most people don't want to get involved.

Kevin
June 3rd, 2011, 02:19 PM
May I join also? It'd be cool to rejoin the alliance again from the social group.

PartiallyInsaneWhimsicott
June 3rd, 2011, 04:24 PM
I need something like this! I'm a closeted MtoF transgender (for those creepers who really need to know,) and I'd be absolutely devastated if anyone found out; mostly because I'm not sure how they would handle it. And because I'm going through the later stages of...physical maturity, and my dad would say it's just a part of my "who am I?" phase.

In answer to all of the questions adressed previously:

What got you into supporting LGBT rights? Who/What was your inspiration to do so?

I would say that no one really "inspired" me, per se, just the fact that I'm someone who seeks equal rights and treatment for all, justice, etc. etc. But really got me into the supporting was when my mom brought home this gay/lesbian/general homosexuality documentary, and at the time I was twelve and I thought I was gay, and was actually thinking about coming out as gay to my mother. This should be saved for later, though. Anyway, after that we all (except my obnoxious brother) became avid LGB (no "T" at the time; I didn't really know anything about them) Rights supporters. And so.

Have you come out of the closet? If so, and if you feel comfortable enough here in this safe space, share your coming out story with us. How did your parents/friends take it? Describe the scenario.

I have not ever come out of the closet, not once. I actually have been thinking about it as a whole, though, recently, and I'm just bursting to tell someone (as I have now); instead, I'll tell you the story of how I came to identify as female, despite what was in my pants...

I was thirteen, and I had overheard the word "transgender" in a heated debate on television or whatever. Using my superior spelling skillz, I decoded the word as meaning "cross-gender," but looked up, anyway, on Google, "transgender."

I was shocked at what I found. I found something stating that a transgender youth may or may not be uncomfortable with various or all stages of puberty. That being read, I learned more, and found out that I was, in fact, a mildly gender-variant child earlier in life, always wanting to play with my cousins' Barbies and kitchen sets. Whenever I played "made-believe" as a younger child of about five to eight, I would always play from a female perspective and play a female-empowering woman right in front of everyone else. I was also always hovering over skirts and my mom's and cousins' hair, always wanting to comb it or put it up in a ponytail (I actually did live through my mom at one point while I was seven) and actually once prance around in my mom's shoes.


And then I could identify, on further analysis, with many...hints, for lack of a better word, and found that my gender identity differed from my physical sex. And so I came to identify myself as a Male to Female transgender.


Now ain't that a lovely li'l anecdote?


Have you ever been "gay bashed" or know anybody that has? What tips would you give to others to avoid that or to defend yourself?

Luckily, neither I nor any of my friends have been gay-bashed, because no one knows about my...condition, and because of the fact that my school is somewhat gay-friendly. And while acting gay is a popular joke among kids my age around town, I hardly ever partake for the sake of respect.

And if you or anyone around you is being gay-bashed, if it's verbal, I suggest to ignore it and, if that doesn't work, confront whoever and tell them that something to the effect that you are a person too, and that you have rights, and from your eyes, what they do is unfavorable. In a physical case, though, stand up for yourself and don't let them hurt you. Or, at least try. And, if all else fails, just go and tell an authority figure that you are being harassed; no need for the reason. Harassment is enough of an...immoral act, if you will?

And in regard to anyone who might need it, if you are being told you dong belong or shouldn't exist, or what you are is unnatural, if you believe in a God and if they believe in a God, then inquire, "Why, then, if I'm not meant to be here or am unnatural or undesirable, did God make me the way I am? And don't say He made a mistake, because He doesn't make mistakes." Or something to that effect.

I hope to be active here and to gain positive feedback, help, and just people like me to talk to. :3

Kiyoshi the Polar Bear
June 3rd, 2011, 05:28 PM
I'd love to join this.

Personally, I'm homosexual. But not gay.

Probably a lot of you are quizzical about that last statement, so let me explain.

Back in the sort of beginning of the year, I was going through a large emotional struggle that was triggered (but wasn't the actual problem) by a crush with this quite amazing guy. Not only did depressed feelings rage in my soul, but so did jealousy and unjustified angst.
When this period of time was over, I started to truly dig into my opinions on the word "gay."

And I came to the conclusion, I'm not gay. I'm a homosexual. My sexuality has no effect on my true personality, and if anything, this was something I given as a gift to get me out of introverted phase of my freshmen year and make me more introspective. But now it's just the sex of my future husband. (Not partner, that's the most ridiculous title for a significant other just because you're the same sex in my opinion. But hey, if you like it, please, be my guess and use it.)

But how am I not gay but homosexual?
Homosexual is the actual sexuality.
Gay is a label.

Some people take pride and security with titles, but I'm not one of those people. I dislike very much to be categorized into some label rather than judged as a person for who I am.

Usually people realize very early that they're homosexual, and with that, they label themselves gay. But the ones who are insecure with the fact that their personalities are incomplete as teenagers can easily slip into the stereotype because it's an already made identity, and this gives them security, but they never acknowledge the personality that's the unique individual underneath afterwards. It restricts personality development and can lead to an identity crisis. Those who are naturally are more feminine (guy)/masculine (girl) are especially prone to this, because they think "oh, this is who I am!" when it's not.

I've seen the difference between naturally feminine guys and gay stereotype ones. It's quite staggering. It's like the difference between a naturally feminine girl and a stereotypical hyped-up cheerleader.

To me, the label doesn't fit me to the point where it was actually a hindrance and insulted my masculinity (I am naturally masculine, by the way. I'm also looking for an also masculine guy, if you were wondering.)
Why do I need this label?
So I choose not to use it. Simple as that.
And I felt so much more comfortable with myself and it helped me grow as a person.
I'm a homosexual, it's not even me, it's just who I like.
So why make it seem a huge part of who I am? I'm already comfortable with the fact.

So yeah, there's that summed up in a nutshell.
If you have questions or comments, don't hesitate.

But I have no problem with someone who likes using gay. If it makes you more comfortable like how not using it makes me comfortable.

And unless it's brought up or asked about, then why should I say it? It's not like it's important or anything.

But anyway, that's my spiel.
Now to the questions!

What got you into supporting LGBT rights? Who/What was your inspiration to do so?

Being homosexual, I guess. Equality for the win. Woo. My friend Claire was the inspiration at the time,
so I'd like to thank her for everything.
It's really a pity that's right now she's wrapped up in her own misery.

Have you come out of the closet? If so, and if you feel comfortable enough here in this safe space, share your coming out story with us. How did your parents/friends take it? Describe the scenario.

I suppose you can say I'm out of the closet. I'm honest about it, and hey, if you don't like it, whatever. Your insecurity isn't my problem. Bye.

The first time I admitted it to anyone was via text message to my best friend at the time, Claire. She immediately called me and supported me to the point where I almost drowned. She pushed me to join the GSA, which I did. In my history, saying "Hi, I'm [Name], and I'm a Freshman. And.... yeah, I'm pretty gay." (Even though that term doesn't apply anymore) was one of the best things I ever did; I was on the road to becoming who I aspire to be, that is, a better version of myself.

And that's how it got out for the first time. Yay.

Have you ever been "gay bashed" or know anybody that has? What tips would you give to others to avoid that or to defend yourself?

I know of plenty stories and things that happened to people in my GSA, but I'm confident that I can handle myself and be strong if I ever face it myself. I'm not going to die or get injured because someone didn't follow the golden rule "treat people the way you want to be treated" that we learned in bloody kindergarten.

You just got to stand up for yourself. That's all. And lifting weights help in case a bigot is really violent about it.
Yeah.

*cough*

Thanks for reading this wall of text :D

Sodom
June 4th, 2011, 06:09 AM
Well wow. Welcome, Destiny Demon, PartiallyInsaneWhimsicott and Kiyoshi the Polar Bear!

Kiyoshi, I agree with everything you say. Gay has always been a default term, a synonym, but I've never thought of it as a hindrance to someone being able to show their masculinity. One point I do have to make though, is that while homosexuality is only about who you like, not who you are, the gay label does grant us certain freedoms that homosexual may not. For instance, gay men are typically (and this is a generalisation so don't shoot me for it) more able to express love for others than straight men would be.

What I'm trying to say is that it's great that you have this great self-awareness about who you are, but in some instances it's good to let a little bit of the "gay" in :). I'm also a masculine guy in real life ("straight-acting" if we're using labels), and I know that while I also prefer guys more toward the masculine end of the spectrum, I wouldn't want one so masculine that he'd feel uncomfortable saying he loved me.

That said, never has a wall of text made me feel so attracted to a person in my life.
/inappropriate

I think I'm going to regret making this post, but I don't know exactly why just yet lol

NurseBarbra
June 4th, 2011, 10:04 AM
Big wall of text


...... Marry me?

You sir, are awesome. I shall award you with cookies.
Also:
v/GdqdIvgCKzA

Anyone else have "Gay Powers"?

G.U.Y.
June 4th, 2011, 02:39 PM
Welcome to all new members! Today is a busy news day!


Flag at the Fed reignites gay-rights debate (http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/news/2011/jun/04/marshall-asks-richmond-fed-remove-rainbow-flag-hon-ar-1083565/)
Boehner Denies DOMA Contract Violates Law (http://www.washingtonblade.com/2011/06/03/boehner-denies-doma-contract-violates-statute/)
Civil union dissolution is part of law (http://beaconnews.suntimes.com/5714684-417/civil-union-law-also-provides-for-dissolution-of-gay-marriages.html)
Gay Toronto artist spared deportation (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/06/02/toronto-artist-deportation578.html)
A Gay Couple’s Tax Predicament (http://bucks.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/02/a-gay-couples-tax-predicament/)
Chicago Cubs to produce "It Gets Better" video (http://www.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20110603&content_id=19971920&vkey=pr_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc)
Rep. Wants Navy Chaplains to Marry Same-Sex Couples (http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/A-Call-for-Navy-Chaplains-to-Marry-Same-Sex-Couples-122952623.html)
Daniel Radcliffe To Accept Trevor Project's Hero Award (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1664951/daniel-radcliffe-trevor-project-hero-award.jhtml)
Walnut Creek church considers breakoff over gay clergy issue (http://www.mercurynews.com/samesexmarriage/ci_18193004?nclick_check=1)
Republicans advocating gay marriage will increase in Iowa, former lawmaker says (http://iowaindependent.com/56949/republicans-advocating-gay-marriage-will-increase-in-iowa-former-lawmaker-says)
Space Needle won’t fly gay pride flag again (http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/2011/06/03/space-needle-won%E2%80%99t-fly-gay-pride-flag-again/)

NurseBarbra
June 4th, 2011, 02:54 PM
Welcome to all new members! Today is a busy news day!


Oh god...Must... resist...urge...to rant... Anyway, In celebration of LGBT Month, I finally got my dear sweet mother to let me attend the LGBT Pride Festival in Dublin this month~ 17th - 21st is gonna be a long weekend~

G.U.Y.
June 4th, 2011, 03:07 PM
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Oh god...Must... resist...urge...to rant... Anyway, In celebration of LGBT Month, I finally got my dear sweet mother to let me attend the LGBT Pride Festival in Dublin this month~ 17th - 21st is gonna be a long weekend~

FFFFFFFFFF! You're Irish?

We need to find a way to have kids. Now.

I made a little comic regarding "No homo." If you've never seen rage comics before, you might not get the faces. :x

http://i.imgur.com/aIxhp.png

Hybrid Trainer
June 4th, 2011, 03:18 PM
http://i.imgur.com/aIxhp.png

This. This is now my new favorite comic ever.

Sodom
June 4th, 2011, 03:19 PM
In relation to the first story posted.

"What does flying the homosexual flag, or any other similar display, have to do with your central banking mission under the Federal Reserve Act passed by Congress?" writes Marshall, one of the General Assembly's most conservative members.

I think the real question to be asked is, why not? Does having the flag there hinder their ability to bank? No. So what's the problem, Mr. Conservative? I think the Fed needs to just ignore all this debate and keep the flag there as though there is no controversy going on at all. There is no better defense against bullies than pretending you don't hear them.


...... Marry me?

Haha, so it wasn't just me, then? :P

NurseBarbra
June 4th, 2011, 03:37 PM
FFFFFFFFFF! You're Irish?

We need to find a way to have kids. Now.



Uhhh.. Ok? You mean you didn't know?!?!

PartiallyInsaneWhimsicott
June 4th, 2011, 04:42 PM
Also:
v/GdqdIvgCKzA

Anyone else have "Gay Powers"?

Oh my G! This was just...unbelievable. I mean, I know it's fake, but even in a play, how can parents be that stupid, and totally turn a blind eye to what their child is saying about an important lifestyle?

And I guess you could say I have the "Gay Powers" they were ranting about; but they were utterly cornfused, thinking that homosexual people act like the stereotypical "gender role"(I put quotations around this because they are, in fact, inventions of the human mind), which isn't what being homosexual is, or even transgendered for that matter. I mean, basketball is out of the stereotypical norm for girls, and I like it. And my mommy over there ("Hi!") says I have an "eye for fashion," as if it's the most obvious thing about me.

Ah, well, some people are probably just stupid like that. Heck, I bet my mom thinks I'm gay from what I did when I was little and what skills I have and lack using two inventions of the human populus ("gay powers" and gender roles being these), and just the fact that I don't think that she's ever used, or even known, the word "transgender." Although, see, she does know how to appropriately use the term "drag queen," so I'm not so sure about that last one.

But I'm getting off topic. I'd better wrap this up with a little advice:

Look at my siggggggy! It works.

/rant

NurseBarbra
June 4th, 2011, 05:11 PM
Look at my siggggggy! It works.

What If I don't like lemonade? I make life TAKE THE LEMONS BACK! I GET MAD! I DON'T WANT THE DAMN LEMONS WHAT THE HECK AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THESE. I'LL DEMAND TO SEE LIFES MANAGER. LIFE WILL RUE THE DAY IT THOUGHT IT COULD GIVE NURSE BARBRA LEMONS! DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM. I'M THE PERSON WHO'S GONNA BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN! WITH THE LEMONS!!
/portal2 reference....

PartiallyInsaneWhimsicott
June 4th, 2011, 05:27 PM
I would think you might take it a little more seriously, but I almost peed my pants reading that! It's just as satisfactory.

My response, myself, to my signature's statements and questions would be, in respective order:

This means that life on Earth is just a trial, and the rest of your experiences will be something more real than what is now.

If I don't enjoy the lemonade, I would pour sugar in it in strife for it to be better! I sugar-coat e'rything as it is...

Ha~

They don't. HA~

Yes...who will argue with an idiot? An idiot? ^^


EDIT: Sorry guys, got off topic. Uh...Anyone else have "Gay Powers?"

Kiyoshi the Polar Bear
June 6th, 2011, 06:59 AM
COLOR COATED ORGANIZED RESPONSE TIME, EVERYONE!


Kiyoshi, I agree with everything you say. Gay has always been a default term, a synonym, but I've never thought of it as a hindrance to someone being able to show their masculinity. One point I do have to make though, is that while homosexuality is only about who you like, not who you are, the gay label does grant us certain freedoms that homosexual may not. For instance, gay men are typically (and this is a generalization so don't shoot me for it) more able to express love for others than straight men would be.

What I'm trying to say is that it's great that you have this great self-awareness about who you are, but in some instances it's good to let a little bit of the "gay" in :). I'm also a masculine guy in real life ("straight-acting" if we're using labels), and I know that while I also prefer guys more toward the masculine end of the spectrum, I wouldn't want one so masculine that he'd feel uncomfortable saying he loved me.

That said, never has a wall of text made me feel so attracted to a person in my life.
/inappropriate

I think I'm going to regret making this post, but I don't know exactly why just yet lol

I'm not quite sure I know exactly what you mean.
Not that I didn't grasp what you said, I'm just not sure of the concept.
I don't see how being "gay," rather than homosexual or heterosexual, allows one to feel more comfortable with expressing their love for someone else in any type relationship (familial, romantic, etc.)

If you could elaborate how this works in your opinion, that would be great for me to understand just exactly your point is. :D

If someone feels uncomfortable saying they love someone, whether it's a homosexual or heterosexual relationship, I don't think that's a problem of being über masculine; that's more of a problem of being insecure or fear of commitment.

However, if it is a problem because he thinks saying "I love you" is emasculating, he's a moron who thinks every little thing threatens his masculinity and you should dump him anyway, simply put.


...... Marry me?

You sir, are awesome. I shall award you with cookies.

Anyone else have "Gay Powers"?

Oh yay! I do enjoy cookies.

Gay Powers?
People tell me I can pull off a lot of different clothes and look great, so if you consider that a "gay power," then yes, I guess I do.
If being a wise-cracking prick is one too, then call me supergayman.

FreakyLocz14
June 6th, 2011, 08:43 AM
I'd like to comment on the whole masculine thingy.

In Hispanic and Black homosexual male culture (especially among youth), being effeminate makes you somewhat of a pariah. Being masculine to the point where you are considered passable as heterosexual is considered golden. I think this stems from the whole DL thing where closeted men might be married to a woman and have children, but have secret relationships with other men on the "down-low". Thus, being able to pass as straight is needed so that no suspicion is drawn when the two are seen in public. Even for those who aren't hiding their sexuality, it seems like its been ingrained in their psychology due to when they might have been doing the same thing in the past.

Being of Hispanic heritage myself, I know what I'm talking about. I had a friend who discovered that her boyfriend was cheating on her. All hell broke loose when she also discovered that he was cheating on her with a guy. She's not homophobic, but slurs were used by her because she was literally in shock.

Kiyoshi the Polar Bear
June 6th, 2011, 09:35 AM
In Hispanic and Black homosexual male culture (especially among youth), being effeminate makes you somewhat of a pariah. Being masculine to the point where you are considered passable as heterosexual is considered golden. I think this stems from the whole DL thing where closeted men might be married to a woman and have children, but have secret relationships with other men on the "down-low". Thus, being able to pass as straight is needed so that no suspicion is drawn when the two are seen in public. Even for those who aren't hiding their sexuality, it seems like its been ingrained in their psychology due to when they might have been doing the same thing in the past.

Being or Hispanic heritage myself, I know what I'm talking about. I had a friend who discovered that her boyfriend was cheating on her. All hell broke loose when she also discovered that he was cheating on her with a guy. She's not homophobic, but slurs were used by her because she was literally in shock.

I believe the concept you’re talking about is Cultural Machismo.

But what I was saying was, my masculinity was being subconsciously threatened by the stereotype that was associated with the term "gay." It was "in all honesty" type of comment.
Which doesn't really relate to what you just said, but you do bring up an interesting topic of your own.

Personally, I think it's awful and selfish when somebody lives on the "down-low."
Why?
Because think about it; A guy/girl can't accept themselves to the point where they lie not only to themselves, but the other people, bringing them into the lie. They get married to a member of the opposite sex, making their life a lie, too. Then they have kids, and their existence is a lie to.
So just because you can't accept yourself, you make other peoples' lives a huge bundle of lies?

That's quite awful. And pretty unforgivable.

G.U.Y.
June 6th, 2011, 11:38 AM
I am not going to comment on the whole masculinity thing lol. However I will say, I like a mix. I don't like only manly, or only feminine. I like them to be like me, a mix of both!

I made a comic about relationships..well, mine. Again, you probably wont understand the faces if you don't read rage comics.

Warning: Contains vulgar writing. (http://i.imgur.com/cSRrE.png)

I'll update the list and news later.

Sodom
June 6th, 2011, 03:44 PM
I'm not quite sure I know exactly what you mean.
Not that I didn't grasp what you said, I'm just not sure of the concept.
I don't see how being "gay," rather than homosexual or heterosexual, allows one to feel more comfortable with expressing their love for someone else in any type relationship (familial, romantic, etc.)

Well, I was sort of expanding on your concept that the term 'gay' is a hindrance to masculinity (therefore being stereotypically feminine), and that you don't see yourself as 'gay'. Displays of affection are typically seen as feminine (in my experience, anyway) so many men aren't comfortable partaking. That's what I mean by 'letting some of the "gay" in' :P

However, if it is a problem because he thinks saying "I love you" is emasculating, he's a moron who thinks every little thing threatens his masculinity and you should dump him anyway, simply put.

I quite agree, but still lol

Also, Nurse Barbra and I both hit on you and you don't acknowledge it? Are we not pretty enough? :P

PartiallyInsaneWhimsicott
June 6th, 2011, 03:51 PM
Oh, oh, oh, your comic was just...AWESOMELY HILARIOUS. LURVZ IT. DO MORE.

Oh, and, uh...

I came out today. To my parents. They received it very well. I wrote a note to my mom, upon my request she called my dad, and on his way there, my mom and I talked and I explained. My dad took me to Dairy Queen and got me ice cream, and we talked about it too. I was comfortable. We talked as a family (my little bro was at Camp Fitch, THANK GOD) and then my Dad went to go tell my stepmom at their house. My mom told her boyfriend over the phone, and he said that it didn't matter who I was inside. He didn't think any different of me.

I am sooooo relieved that all of the major people who need to know know now, and that they all understand. I have a meeting with the nearest professional, and we'll go from there. My parents are cutting me off whenever I say I'm sure, but we're on hypos like "if we start hormones..." and "I'll pay for this, she'll pay for that..." and all of it. I'm a lot happier NOW. I have to wait until this is all over and see how THAT feels!

/wall of text that bores you but is the best thing I've ever written

I'm happy. :3

NurseBarbra
June 6th, 2011, 03:56 PM
Wall'o'texts

Congratz~
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/140622/2/istockphoto_140622-confetti-1.jpg

I say we celebrate with a party!... GROUP HUG!!

Hybrid Trainer
June 6th, 2011, 04:08 PM
http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq103/CuriosityCat13/CatCongratulations.gif

Thats awesome that everyone took it all so well :D i love the idea of the note btw x]

NurseBarbra
June 6th, 2011, 04:18 PM
Scary kitty

That's the most scariest f'ing kitty ever.

Hybrid Trainer
June 6th, 2011, 04:20 PM
That's the most scariest f'ing kitty ever.

It was either that or some weird tellitubby things jumping up and down, and i think that could've been a bit insensitive xD

Impo
June 6th, 2011, 04:20 PM
Oh, oh, oh, your comic was just...AWESOMELY HILARIOUS. LURVZ IT. DO MORE.

Oh, and, uh...

I came out today. To my parents. They received it very well. I wrote a note to my mom, upon my request she called my dad, and on his way there, my mom and I talked and I explained. My dad took me to Dairy Queen and got me ice cream, and we talked about it too. I was comfortable. We talked as a family (my little bro was at Camp Fitch, THANK GOD) and then my Dad went to go tell my stepmom at their house. My mom told her boyfriend over the phone, and he said that it didn't matter who I was inside. He didn't think any different of me.

I am sooooo relieved that all of the major people who need to know know now, and that they all understand. I have a meeting with the nearest professional, and we'll go from there. My parents are cutting me off whenever I say I'm sure, but we're on hypos like "if we start hormones..." and "I'll pay for this, she'll pay for that..." and all of it. I'm a lot happier NOW. I have to wait until this is all over and see how THAT feels!

/wall of text that bores you but is the best thing I've ever written

I'm happy. :3

That's great!
I thought I'd just comment to say I'm happy for you!

Sodom
June 6th, 2011, 04:22 PM
Wow, congratulations, that's so amazing! That's all we could want, isn't it? Parents who love you anyway.

G.U.Y.
June 6th, 2011, 04:46 PM
Major congratulations to PIW (pew pew pew! *is shooting lasers*) I am so glad everything turned out alright for you!

I made another comic, it's not funny. But, I wanted to show my thanks to some of the people on Reddit and I figured it was relevant to post here.

http://i.imgur.com/GHdPM.png

Sydian
June 6th, 2011, 05:15 PM
Aww, that's great Whimsicott! I'm really happy for you! :) It's cute that you got to go to DQ also, lol. I wish I could go get ice cream.

FreakyLocz14
June 6th, 2011, 06:06 PM
I personally don't say the word "gay" a lot. I don't speak of my friend's sexual orientation unless it's absolutely necessary. It's not the defining characteristic in getting to know them as a person.

PartiallyInsaneWhimsicott
June 7th, 2011, 03:05 AM
Congratz~
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/140622/2/istockphoto_140622-confetti-1.jpg

I say we celebrate with a party!... GROUP HUG!!

http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq103/CuriosityCat13/CatCongratulations.gif

Thats awesome that everyone took it all so well :D i love the idea of the note btw x]

That's great!
I thought I'd just comment to say I'm happy for you!

Wow, congratulations, that's so amazing! That's all we could want, isn't it? Parents who love you anyway.

Major congratulations to PIW (pew pew pew! *is shooting lasers*) I am so glad everything turned out alright for you!

Aww, that's great Whimsicott! I'm really happy for you! :) It's cute that you got to go to DQ also, lol. I wish I could go get ice cream.

Thanks, guys. We're working through things, and I still have freaking four days left of school until we have all the time we need. Again, these (^) really mean a lot to me; heck, my hands are practically shaking right now! <33333333

Impo
June 7th, 2011, 03:48 AM
Thanks, guys. We're working through things, and I still have freaking four days left of school until we have all the time we need. Again, these (^) really mean a lot to me; heck, my hands are practically shaking right now! <33333333

Ah, I know that feeling!
Just know we all support you're decisions!

-

...I feel like making a topic, but none come to mind.
I don't know if this has been done (can't be bothered looking), or if I have the authority to do so (because I have no authority), but let's see...

How do you react when people make fun of people that aren't heterosexual?
Why do you think they do so (religion, etc.)?

Hybrid Trainer
June 7th, 2011, 08:58 AM
How do you react when people make fun of people that aren't heterosexual?
Why do you think they do so (religion, etc.)?
This is a bit like the gay bashing one but not the exact same x]

For the first question i guess its mostly disgust. What rights do straight people have that would possibly allow someone to single out someone for something they don't control and ridicule them for it?

As for the second question its mostly one of four reasons. First one is religion, where said person has been taught that being anything apart from heterosexual is wrong. Second one is being in the closet, everyone knows at least one person who is secretly gay or whatever and acts all homophobic to try and draw attention away from themselves. Third one is being un-educated, there were so many people in my high school class who believed silly rumors about gay people like if your gay you automatically have aids or something which they still believed until one of our teachers explained it to them. And finally there is the just plain (for lack of a better forum friendly word) morons who know all the facts and still say that being gay is wrong because it doesn't apply to them.
Theres probably more reasons but there the only ones i've come across x]

Esper
June 7th, 2011, 10:10 AM
How do you react when people make fun of people that aren't heterosexual?

I don't usually see people making fun of it exactly. Well, aside from people who aren't straight in the first place, but that's a kind of not-serious, self-referential humor that everyone does when they're with friends and it doesn't really mean anything. Mostly what I see is disgust and bewilderment, like "I heard that person of there is a he-she or whatever. So weird. How does that even work?"

Why do you think they do so (religion, etc.)?
Ignorance, lack of exposure to things that aren't heteronormative. They've never seen/thought about/talked to people who were different so they just fill in the gaps with whatever fills their heads. For some people it's not really as bad because they're not mean-spirited so it's kind of like little kids who make fun of other kids because they wear glasses. They just don't know better or know what it's like to be on the other side. Others have agendas and ideologies and they don't accept anything that doesn't fit into their worldviews so they fill the gaps with whatever matches best to them. That can be religion, but it can also be a cultural thing under the guise of religion.

Kiyoshi the Polar Bear
June 7th, 2011, 11:20 AM
Well, I was sort of expanding on your concept that the term 'gay' is a hindrance to masculinity (therefore being stereotypically feminine), and that you don't see yourself as 'gay'.Displays of affection are typically seen as feminine (in my experience, anyway) so many men aren't comfortable partaking. That's what I mean by 'letting some of the "gay" in'

I quite agree, but still lol

Also, Nurse Barbra and I both hit on you and you don't acknowledge it? Are we not pretty enough?

Well perhaps I should elaborate on this more;
The reason why I, at the time, felt like my masculinity was being insulted was because in my mind, it feels as if the term "gay" no longer has anything to do with the actual sexuality anymore. The media, common association, and common connotation very much made "gay" not homosexual, but the stereotype of homosexual people. And since nobody is the stereotype, and the stereotype didn't align with who I am and what my morals are, it in all honesty it sort of made me feel emasculated (because I wasn't secure about it at the time, and this ordeal I was facing sure wasn't helping) using it to define a certain aspect of myself, and making it bigger than it actually is. But that definitely wasn't the main focus of why I changed from using "gay" to "homosexual." That was just a promoter, if you will.
Also, I'd add this in; it's sort of a disclaimer: I don't care and fully accept people who are outside of "the gender box," meaning naturally feminine guys and naturally masculine girls. My problem had to do with struggling with the stereotype, not others' natural disposition.

Well I grew up with a ton of love from my parents and a very affectionate Dad, so in my view and opinion on being affectionate is definitely not a feminine or a masculine thing. It's a show of love to a friend, parent, anyone.
The reason why so many men seem to be not okay with it, is because (and this was said by a very intelligent friend of mine) men tend to be more sensitive to outside emotional stimuli, so affection is often exaggerated to take on other meanings if the relationship isn't clearly defined (to friend, close friend, etc.) that might make the receiving male uncomfortable. The uncomfortably results in the fear of emasculation, which is why affection may be seen as feminine in a person's eyes.
So, I have to disagree with you saying affection is a "gay" thing.
But you bring up a very interesting point of view from me. I'd love to hear your reaction to this. :3

Oh, I noticed. I was just too busy feeling torn to whom I’ll go to dinner with. *wink*

/wall of text that bores you but is the best thing I've ever written.

I couldn't be happier with your result!
Thank goodness that everyone around you is very supportive.
Best of luck with your future!

----

How do you react when people make fun of people that aren't heterosexual?

Well the only sort of thing I can say fit this is hearing "gay" or "fa(you-know-the-rest)" thrown around. When I hear it, I kind of feel a shock, but, it usually brush it off. They're throwing it around because they don't understand the magnitude of it. I don't really care unless someone is genuinely harassing someone.

Why do you think they do so (religion, etc.)?

Insecurity with subject, empowering, lack of education on subject, lack of education on word, etc.

Sydian
June 7th, 2011, 11:42 AM
How do you react when people make fun of people that aren't heterosexual?

Really bugs me. I usually get pissed off and say "well would you like it if someone made fun of how you ______." Just pick some random flaw you see with them right off the bat. As I'm sure I've mentioned plenty of times here, I have a horrible temper and I act without thinking quite a bit. So I'll just call them out on something. lol

Why do you think they do so (religion, etc.)?

Religion plays a part in it, but personally, I think the majority of those making fun of anyone that's not heterosexual is a lack of understanding of people. And hell, this goes for different races, religions, etc and not just orientations. It just shows a lack of respect and knowledge of groups of people that aren't like yourself.

solarowl
June 7th, 2011, 01:02 PM
Guess I should get active, since it's been a while and I haven't. XD
How do you react when people make fun of people that aren't heterosexual?

I just hate that. I usually stand up for the person that is being made fun of. I mean, it's not right to do that just because they're different.

Why do you think they do so (religion, etc.)?

I think they do that, like Sydian said, because maybe they just hate that person for being different. But just because someone is different, you don't have to tease or bully them.

PartiallyInsaneWhimsicott
June 7th, 2011, 02:02 PM
Thanks, guys. I would answer Impo's topics, but they've all been said. All of theirs above in one. That's basically how I feel. I mean, would you make fun of someone who was handicapped or mentally retarded? No, you wouldn't, and that's just like making fun of someone homosexual/in the wrong body. It's something you're born with and can't control, and you can't change it;just like being heterosexual.

FreakyLocz14
June 7th, 2011, 02:07 PM
How do you react when people make fun of people that aren't heterosexual?
I ignore it. If they want to get physical, Shining Raichu knows that it will be a very bad day for them (inside joke). I live in the Bay Area of California. Since I'm a 45 minute drive from San Francisco (in good traffic), it's a relatively LGBT friendly area. You'll hear people yell "f*g" once in awhile, but I've yet to see a physical bashing take place in public.

Why do you think they do so (religion, etc.)?
I'd say religion is a part of it, but we can't completely blame religion. Plenty of the more accepting youth I know are devout Catholics, myself likewise. I'd say it's more of a generational thing. The older generation grew up in a time when LGBT people were widely thought of as pedophiles with a mental disorder.

twistedpuppy
June 7th, 2011, 02:49 PM
Oh, oh, oh, your comic was just...AWESOMELY HILARIOUS. LURVZ IT. DO MORE.

Oh, and, uh...

I came out today. To my parents. They received it very well. I wrote a note to my mom, upon my request she called my dad, and on his way there, my mom and I talked and I explained. My dad took me to Dairy Queen and got me ice cream, and we talked about it too. I was comfortable. We talked as a family (my little bro was at Camp Fitch, THANK GOD) and then my Dad went to go tell my stepmom at their house. My mom told her boyfriend over the phone, and he said that it didn't matter who I was inside. He didn't think any different of me.

I am sooooo relieved that all of the major people who need to know know now, and that they all understand. I have a meeting with the nearest professional, and we'll go from there. My parents are cutting me off whenever I say I'm sure, but we're on hypos like "if we start hormones..." and "I'll pay for this, she'll pay for that..." and all of it. I'm a lot happier NOW. I have to wait until this is all over and see how THAT feels!

/wall of text that bores you but is the best thing I've ever written

I'm happy. :3

tl;dr
I kid, I kid. That's so awesome! :cer_boogie: I know I'm tardy to the party, but I wasn't here yesterday. Still, congrats! n.n

~~~

How do you react when people make fun of people that aren't heterosexual?
If it's me they're making fun of, I just bite my tongue & get on with my day. However if it's someone else, then I'm quick to stand up for them.

Why do you think they do so (religion, etc.)?
I'd say religion does play a part of it. Other times it's baseless fear of the unknown. I can't say for sure because I don't read minds.

Hybrid Trainer
June 7th, 2011, 03:03 PM
Besides, it's their own choices, they can choose whether to be heterosexual or not, they don't need someone else's opinions.

I am reading this right? xD

PartiallyInsaneWhimsicott
June 7th, 2011, 04:03 PM
Thanks, twisted. I'm...happy.

Oh, and I'm with Hybrid Trainer;
http://th336.photobucket.com/albums/n359/SasukeAndGogeta/th_emote_wut.gif

Sodom
June 7th, 2011, 04:23 PM
Gah damn time zones, I hate having like twenty posts to catch up on lol

OK, to business first:

How do you react when people make fun of people that aren't heterosexual?
I tend to have a sense of humour about myself and about the whole sexuality thing, and I think it's incredibly important not to take yourself too seriously because people can be so highly strung and get offended easily. So it doesn't bug me at all if it's just good-natured banter, but I do find it easy to tell the difference between that and bigotry.

Why do you think they do so (religion, etc.)?
The ones that don't mean well do it for a variety of reasons. Fear of being seen as gay themselves is a big one, and as some people have said, lack of exposure to non-heteronormative people, or even just their upbringing. Bigotry is something that trickles down from generation to generation, unless the new generation are strong-minded enough to reject the hate.

Religion is a huge one, and I am a vocal lobbyist against all religions here on PC. The thing that bugs me is when religious people come and say "oh no, religion is all about love, we don't hate the gays at my church." It's not that I believe that all religious people are gay-haters, and it's not that I don't believe what they say about their own experiences, but it makes me feel like they're calling the LGBT community either liars or over-sensitive, like the evidential track record means nothing and we've just made the whole thing up in our heads. Religion has this gay-hating reputation for a reason, it did not just sprout from nowhere. For more on my opinions about religion, you can check my post history and a variety of threads on Other Chat :P

How do you react when people make fun of people that aren't heterosexual?
I ignore it. If they want to get physical, Shining Raichu knows that it will be a very bad day for them (inside joke).

LOL.


Well I grew up with a ton of love from my parents and a very affectionate Dad, so in my view and opinion on being affectionate is definitely not a feminine or a masculine thing. It's a show of love to a friend, parent, anyone.

The reason why so many men seem to be not okay with it, is because (and this was said by a very intelligent friend of mine) men tend to be more sensitive to outside emotional stimuli, so affection is often exaggerated to take on other meanings if the relationship isn't clearly defined (to friend, close friend, etc.) that might make the receiving male uncomfortable. The uncomfortably results in the fear of emasculation, which is why affection may be seen as feminine in a person's eyes.
So, I have to disagree with you saying affection is a "gay" thing.
But you bring up a very interesting point of view from me. I'd love to hear your reaction to this. :3

Oh, I noticed. I was just too busy feeling torn to whom I’ll go to dinner with. *wink*

Clearly we've had very very different experiences with our fathers lol. Mine was never affectionate at all, and we have an incredibly strained relationship because I'm not comfortable with his over-compensatory masculinity :P

Your friend's point is very very true, and I admit I'd never thought of it that way. But it also begs the question of my being seen as masculine is so much more important to men than being seen as feminine is to women. And I wasn't saying affection is a gay thing, I was just playing off what I thought you had said originally :P (confusing word jumble)

Pick me, I'll make it worth your while ;)


Besides, it's their own choices, they can choose whether to be heterosexual or not, they don't need someone else's opinions.

lol I'm not going to attack you for this because I've spoken to you on MSN about sexualities and I really do know that you mean well (and I'll ask everybody else not to attack you too - yeah, I see you over there with your blades, put them down. PUT THEM DOWN.) but this is the assumption we're fighting against - nobody chooses their sexuality. I'm sure you know that though, it was just a poor choice of words :P - it happens to all of us lol

Sydian
June 7th, 2011, 04:40 PM
Besides, it's their own choices, they can choose whether to be heterosexual or not, they don't need someone else's opinions.

I'm sorry, I laughed too hard at that to just let it go without y'all knowing. I know you might be misusing your words, but omg, laugh of the day. /scurries off

solarowl
June 7th, 2011, 05:41 PM
Sorry about that. ^^;
I think I must have zoned off there, because I don't remember typing that up. lol
It makes no sense. XD
What I meant was:
Nobody can choose their sexuality. But that doesn't make it right for people of another sexuality, to make fun of people from others, just because they're different. It shouldn't matter what race, or in this case, sexuality, people are in, because a person is a person. No one is really better or worse than another.
DUN KILL ME PEOPLZ!

FreakyLocz14
June 8th, 2011, 12:36 AM
One of the final votes that the Associated Students Senate Democrats having been pushing at my university before they slip even further into the minority (current: Senate: 13 R, 12 D; House: 52 D, 49 R; Democrats will lose 2 House seats on July 1) was a bill that passed the House and was voted on by the Senate. At the Republican Caucus meeting, I tried to solicit some GOP Senators to break with the party on a bill that would allow trans students to change their sex on school documents without having had gone through a sex change operation. There were 2 Democrats (the one for black students and the one for Muslim students) that were opposing the bill. That meant that I needed to sway at least one of my party members.

Final Vote:
14 Yeas, 11 Nays
Yeas: 10/12 Democrats, 4/13 Republicans
Nays: 2/12 Democrats, 9/13 Republicans

April House Vote:
56 Yeas, 45 Nays
Yeas: 44/52 Democrats, 12/49 Republicans
Nays: 8/52 Democrats, 37/49 Republicans

The AS President signed the bill the within an hour of the vote.

Trans students must still use the restrooms that correspond to their birth sexes. A bill that pass a year ago when the Democrats controlled all of the AS was vetoed by the President. The same bill passed the House 51-50, but died in the Senate.

Kiyoshi the Polar Bear
June 9th, 2011, 11:29 AM
Clearly we've had very very different experiences with our fathers lol. Mine was never affectionate at all, and we have an incredibly strained relationship because I'm not comfortable with his over-compensatory masculinity

Your friend's point is very very true, and I admit I'd never thought of it that way. But it also begs the question of my being seen as masculine is so much more important to men than being seen as feminine is to women. And I wasn't saying affection is a gay thing, I was just playing off what I thought you had said originally (confusing word jumble)

Pick me, I'll make it worth your while

And that's another thing; masculinity/femininity can never be everything. If it's you, it's you, but it's a completely different thing to be excessive and make it your world.
But being comfortable with masculinity/femininity is a long process- to be honest, I might be more secure now, but I'm not fully.
Then again, I have a lot to patch up on about myself. But good grief, have I made progress.
Ands that’s all there is left to this topic I think- Hm.

Yeah, I would say that if one is completely insecure about their masculinity that displaying masculinity that one possesses might seem very important to other males rather than females, and that females feel less of a need to express femininity, since girls tend to have a freer spectrum on it.
E.g. the "Tomboy."

Oh man I can't wait.

NurseBarbra
June 9th, 2011, 01:25 PM
Oh man I can't wait.

Don't I get a say in this relationship? Why can't we just have a 3-way?

Yes well, This is just gonna be a rant post.
Today (and for the past few days) I've had Summer Exams, And recently I've been getting "verbally bullied" by some.... neanderthals.. (not that I care about what they say), And have been forced to take action as they have progressed to near physical bullying (E.g Saying "I'll stab your neck" while holding pens and pencils), I've taken up a case with the schools board about the amount of bullying that not just I, but a number of LGBT students have been faced with lately (It's not just my year group apparently... :/ ), And so far it's going well. I could of just decided to break each and every bone in their bodies, But legal matters trimuph once again.
half of all your stuff please
So yeah, Anyone want to hear my argument for the school board?


Only real reason I'm ranting is because Portal2 decided not to work on my PC anymore, No matter how many times I reinstall Steam...

twistedpuppy
June 9th, 2011, 04:51 PM
Don't I get a say in this relationship? Why can't we just have a 3-way?

Yes well, This is just gonna be a rant post.
Today (and for the past few days) I've had Summer Exams, And recently I've been getting "verbally bullied" by some.... neanderthals.. (not that I care about what they say), And have been forced to take action as they have progressed to near physical bullying (E.g Saying "I'll stab your neck" while holding pens and pencils), I've taken up a case with the schools board about the amount of bullying that not just I, but a number of LGBT students have been faced with lately (It's not just my year group apparently... :/ ), And so far it's going well. I could of just decided to break each and every bone in their bodies, But legal matters trimuph once again.
half of all your stuff please
So yeah, Anyone want to hear my argument for the school board?


Only real reason I'm ranting is because Portal2 decided not to work on my PC anymore, No matter how many times I reinstall Steam...

*applause*
I congratulate you for standing up & fighting back. Through legal ways of course What was your argument to the school board & have they started taking any measures to prevent bullying?

Ctrl.Alt.Geak
June 9th, 2011, 05:26 PM
Don't I get a say in this relationship? Why can't we just have a 3-way?

Yes well, This is just gonna be a rant post.
Today (and for the past few days) I've had Summer Exams, And recently I've been getting "verbally bullied" by some.... neanderthals.. (not that I care about what they say), And have been forced to take action as they have progressed to near physical bullying (E.g Saying "I'll stab your neck" while holding pens and pencils), I've taken up a case with the schools board about the amount of bullying that not just I, but a number of LGBT students have been faced with lately (It's not just my year group apparently... :/ ), And so far it's going well. I could of just decided to break each and every bone in their bodies, But legal matters trimuph once again.
half of all your stuff please
So yeah, Anyone want to hear my argument for the school board?


Only real reason I'm ranting is because Portal2 decided not to work on my PC anymore, No matter how many times I reinstall Steam...
I'm quite interested to hear what argument you put forward too.

NurseBarbra
June 9th, 2011, 05:52 PM
*applause*
I congratulate you for standing up & fighting back. Through legal ways of course What was your argument to the school board & have they started taking any measures to prevent bullying?

My argument is this:

All students MUST sign a code of conduct every 6 months in my school to keep their place (It's a phone book of a contract basically). Students must abide by these rules in, on or within 50m of the school gates. Under the code ( Section 2.C.vii "Bullying and Harassment" ) : The school community will not tolerate any form of behaviour, by means of word or deed, which causes, or is percieved to cause, hurt or offence to a student, teacher or faculity member.

All instances of said behaviour must be reported to a teacher or faculity member, and filled to the deputy principal. All complaints of bullying/harassment shall be investigated.

In our school, students are protected under the Equal Status Act (2000), which cites nine grounds of discrimination: Gender, marital status, family status, sexual orientation, religion, age, disability, race, membership of the Travelling community.

The students involved were already on restricted timetables for other "instances".

As a member of the school, I shouldn't have to deal with acts of harm. I pay my re-enrollment fee every year, I make sure to read the code every 6 months, I write down and report any "instances". Why should I, aswell as others, feel unsafe in our school, a feeling which is caused by a small minority of... neanderthals (Why call them students if they don't even do any work. I did in the report I filed though.). So yeah. [/rant]

FreakyLocz14
June 9th, 2011, 05:54 PM
Don't I get a say in this relationship? Why can't we just have a 3-way?

Yes well, This is just gonna be a rant post.
Today (and for the past few days) I've had Summer Exams, And recently I've been getting "verbally bullied" by some.... neanderthals.. (not that I care about what they say), And have been forced to take action as they have progressed to near physical bullying (E.g Saying "I'll stab your neck" while holding pens and pencils), I've taken up a case with the schools board about the amount of bullying that not just I, but a number of LGBT students have been faced with lately (It's not just my year group apparently... :/ ), And so far it's going well. I could of just decided to break each and every bone in their bodies, But legal matters trimuph once again.
half of all your stuff please
So yeah, Anyone want to hear my argument for the school board?


Only real reason I'm ranting is because Portal2 decided not to work on my PC anymore, No matter how many times I reinstall Steam...

In my eyes, it would be perfectly acceptable (and in some places, legal) for you to use physical force to defend yourself.

NurseBarbra
June 9th, 2011, 06:00 PM
In my eyes, it would be perfectly acceptable (and in some places, legal) for you to use physical force to defend yourself.

Well there in lies the problem. While physical force WOULD solve this problem, It would only solve it for me for a short while, They'd still try and spook out other people, And what about when I eventually leave the school? Wouldn't future LGBT students have the same problem, just with different culprits? At least if I go to the school board, they can enforce it even after I leave school, which would be better in the long run. (even though I'd love to break some of their arms and legs.)

FreakyLocz14
June 9th, 2011, 08:07 PM
Well there in lies the problem. While physical force WOULD solve this problem, It would only solve it for me for a short while, They'd still try and spook out other people, And what about when I eventually leave the school? Wouldn't future LGBT students have the same problem, just with different culprits? At least if I go to the school board, they can enforce it even after I leave school, which would be better in the long run. (even though I'd love to break some of their arms and legs.)

In some places, self-defense law allows you to use force to protect others, as well.

Sodom
June 10th, 2011, 04:13 AM
Yes, Nurse Barbra, lets hear the argument in full! Though I think some physical pain might have been the order of the day as well :P - if I had martial arts skills it's what I would do. But I digress...

Point is, lets hear the argument :D

EDIT: LOL I must not have seen Page 7 when I posted this. Oh dear, don't mind me. I'm having a senior moment.

Esper
June 10th, 2011, 11:18 AM
One of the final votes that the Associated Students Senate Democrats having been pushing at my university before they slip even further into the minority (current: Senate: 13 R, 12 D; House: 52 D, 49 R; Democrats will lose 2 House seats on July 1) was a bill that passed the House and was voted on by the Senate. At the Republican Caucus meeting, I tried to solicit some GOP Senators to break with the party on a bill that would allow trans students to change their sex on school documents without having had gone through a sex change operation. There were 2 Democrats (the one for black students and the one for Muslim students) that were opposing the bill. That meant that I needed to sway at least one of my party members.

Final Vote:
14 Yeas, 11 Nays
Yeas: 10/12 Democrats, 4/13 Republicans
Nays: 2/12 Democrats, 9/13 Republicans

April House Vote:
56 Yeas, 45 Nays
Yeas: 44/52 Democrats, 12/49 Republicans
Nays: 8/52 Democrats, 37/49 Republicans

The AS President signed the bill the within an hour of the vote.

Trans students must still use the restrooms that correspond to their birth sexes. A bill that pass a year ago when the Democrats controlled all of the AS was vetoed by the President. The same bill passed the House 51-50, but died in the Senate.
Freaky, as much as I have a lot of differences with you I'm really grateful for the things you do. Especially things like this. It made me smile.

But it also reminds me how lucky I was that my college was so open about a lot of things. It had a GLTBQetc. center and everything. Sometimes it doesn't really hit home how even after high school there are a lot of problems even where people ought to feel accepted like in school.

FreakyLocz14
June 10th, 2011, 01:22 PM
Freaky, as much as I have a lot of differences with you I'm really grateful for the things you do. Especially things like this. It made me smile.

But it also reminds me how lucky I was that my college was so open about a lot of things. It had a GLTBQetc. center and everything. Sometimes it doesn't really hit home how even after high school there are a lot of problems even where people ought to feel accepted like in school.

We'd surely differ on our opinions on the gun bill that's being considered. My school is in a rural California county. Being in a rural area that has always gone for Republicans in every recent national and statewide election (and also overwhelmingly supported Proposition 8), getting these things done is harder. Most students don't harass or attack LGBT people, but they do have more traditional beliefs on marriage. Also, trans people are accepted less than homosexuals and bisexuals. There was an bashing attack this school year, though.

We have a Log Cabin Republicans chapter that tries to knock out incumbent GOP members in the primaries. I'm the GSA Senator, so I also chair the AS LGBT Committee, and the Log Cabin Republicans wing of the AS GOP.

NurseBarbra
June 10th, 2011, 04:56 PM
EDIT: LOL I must not have seen Page 7 when I posted this. Oh dear, don't mind me. I'm having a senior moment.

It's okay grandpa, you just go rest. LOL

Renii
June 11th, 2011, 12:55 AM
Hey! I'm a bisexual person and I would like to join this club =)

EDIT: Lol =)

Sodom
June 11th, 2011, 03:19 AM
It's okay grandpa, you just go rest. LOL

LOL. Oh dear, that was embarrassing.

Hey! I'm a bisexual guy and I would like to join this club =)

Hello Renii! Welcome! If you want to go back through the pages and find some of the questions written in bold and answer them for us, we'd love to hear what you have to say!


Now, I'm putting this bigger so that everybody will see it, because I am an attention wh... seeker. For those of you who haven't seen it already, this morning I posted a blog (http://www.pokecommunity.com/blog.php?b=11402) about being gay that I hope you guys will be kind enough to read and comment on :). It is a tl;dr, as my blogs always are, but I've tried to make it funny and read-worthy so you don't notice that so much XD

Renii
June 11th, 2011, 04:25 AM
Shining Raichu!!!!!! Thanks for the welcome. I already commented on your blog.

How do you react when people make fun of people that aren't heterosexual?
I get offended, and I bash them. (I usually don't argue or hit people.) Not that it happens very often. I know many homophobes, most of them try to keep their opinions to themselves when they're around me. Quite often, the homosexual people in consideration do deserve the making fun part: I mean, so many times, this friend of mine tells me that some random stranger tried to feel his "parts" in a public place. He is straight, therefore he is offended. It happens to me too. ;)

Why do you think they do so (religion, etc.)?
IMO, things like religion are just excuses for the homophobia. I live in India, where majority of the people are Hindus and Muslims. As far as Hinduism is concerned, I don't think it talks about homosexuality at all, and still my country is so conservative. It is so hard for people to come out, or even discuss homosexuality seriously.
"People hate/fear what they don't understand."

World King
June 12th, 2011, 05:59 PM
Where are the social groups?! D=

I just got back to PC after a while, and saw the news about them. Glad to have found this one, once again. So I would like to join up, as the ally I've always been with you people, and as the asexual I am. Acceptance of all people FTW! =D

PartiallyInsaneWhimsicott
June 13th, 2011, 02:29 PM
Raichu, it was awesome, and I read the whole thing; but yesterday! Heh...heh...heh...

But from what I remember, there was only awesome. :D

EDIT: At the..."doctor's." Turns out it's my elementary school guidance councillor, whom I was very familiar with due to parental divorce issues.

NurseBarbra
June 13th, 2011, 03:23 PM
REDIT: At the..."doctor's." Turns out it's my elementary school guidance councillor, whom I was very familiar with due to parental divorce issues.

My councillor was annoying. I had to go because I spoke out in class and thumped some.... idiot (can't say some "insert swears here").. and knocked him out. I've had quite the emotional outbursts over the last 3 years....

PartiallyInsaneWhimsicott
June 13th, 2011, 04:58 PM
Ah...well, I wasn't very violent as a kid, but it kinda started when I had this one outburst in first grade, when this girl didn't believe in Santa Clause (said as if I do, but I don't) and I slammed my fist on the table and screamed, "MY DAD ISN'T SANTA CLAUSE!" But that was when I was really autistic. I grew out of it.

Buuuuuut, anyway, being stuck in a stupid guy's body (not that there's anything wrong with guys) is sooooo stressful. And people are disgusted by people like me, but it's not wrong; it's just like guys in guy bodies and girls in girl bodies, except our bodies differ from us as people.

I hate labels.

Sodom
June 13th, 2011, 05:33 PM
Welcome, World King! And welcome back to PC too! If you want to go back and find some of the bold questions posted throughout the pages and answer them like Renii did, that would be great :) it helps everyone get to know you as a person/ally/asexual XD

And thank you so much PIW :D

Renii
June 14th, 2011, 06:09 AM
I was wondering something.

How do you deal with crushes on straight people?

Sydian
June 14th, 2011, 06:18 AM
I assume you deal with it the same way you deal with liking someone that doesn't like you back...which...yeah, I have yet to figure that one out myself. Anyone else wanna chime in? :D /not helpful

Renii
June 14th, 2011, 07:53 AM
I assume you deal with it the same way you deal with liking someone that doesn't like you back...which...yeah, I have yet to figure that one out myself. Anyone else wanna chime in? :D /not helpful
That is interesting. =P

But you don't creep the said person out... or am I just so scared?
Sometimes I feel I haven't been able to accept my homosexuality myself properly; not knowing any other gay person does not help :P

NurseBarbra
June 14th, 2011, 08:06 AM
My relationships have been all disasters until recently... and I mean RECENTLY.
Care to have an educated discussion?

Merzbau
June 14th, 2011, 08:17 AM
I say that relationships are suck. I haven't been in one since November (ended on my birthday, actually), and I haven't found anyone I'd even remotely want to date. So, I think that's good. My standards are getting a lot higher.

If things don't go right... in my experience, you could just cause a bunch of property damage to their kitchen with a hatchet.

Wait, sorry, that was my advice to Carrie Nation, not to queers with relationship struggles.

If things don't go right... or if they're straight... SCREAM!

Hybrid Trainer
June 14th, 2011, 08:21 AM
How do you deal with crushes on straight people?

Start crushing on someone else! :D
If it's just a crush you'll get over it, you just need to find something/someone to take your mind of said person.

Mew~
June 14th, 2011, 08:28 AM
I'm pretty much asexual, so I guess I'll join.

I've had crushes on about 50+ people, though never felt anything sexual. I pretty much a real oddball in my school. Though many people classify me as gay because they think being asexual doesn't make sense. But yeah, it's nothing serious or nothing. There are some pretty amazing people in this thread too, with some great stories.

/I give free hugs btw. I'm a hugable person. Even for me reason. I enjoy teletubbie hugs the best. You all should try one.. [/pffttt...]

Renii
June 14th, 2011, 09:38 AM
I hope I'll be over him soon.

Tbh, most of my relationships have sucked a lot, don't have much to say about that.

@Mew~: *Huggles* :D
To tell you the truth, I haven't ever felt sexually attracted to any person.
Not that I'm trying to tell you that you aren't asexual, because you always know in your heart who you are and where you belong =)

And the song, "Take me or Leave me," I love it too. [/offtopic]

Kiyoshi the Polar Bear
June 14th, 2011, 03:18 PM
I was wondering something.

How do you deal with crushes on straight people?

After that one big crush on a hetereosexual guy that sent me into the gutter a for a period of time, I don't develop crushes anymore.

I feel attraction, but unless I know everything can work out, I don't emotionally attached.

But hey, whatever! More friends for me if they turn out to be into girls.

I'm pretty much asexual, so I guess I'll join.

I've had crushes on about 50+ people, though never felt anything sexual. I pretty much a real oddball in my school. Though many people classify me as gay because they think being asexual doesn't make sense. But yeah, it's nothing serious or nothing. There are some pretty amazing people in this thread too, with some great stories.

/I give free hugs btw. I'm a hugable person. Even for me reason. I enjoy teletubbie hugs the best. You all should try one.. [/pffttt...]

Crushes on people?
What's it like for an asexual to have a crush?

Sorry, but, honestly, I'm unsure of how asexuality functions as a whole- I haven't had that much experience with it.

Sodom
June 14th, 2011, 04:24 PM
I was wondering something.

How do you deal with crushes on straight people?

It depends on the straight person. I've crushed on a few straight guys who sorta figured it out with me saying it, and then they used it to banter with me and joke-flirt with me, which helped get them out of my system, even though it did make me like them more as friends. Some of them still give me banter about it, which is awesome lol

But I'm lucky, I doubt very much all straight guys would feel that way. Generally if you have a crush on someone who's straight, don't ever tell them because it could make things incredibly awkward between you. As Hybrid Trainer said, if it's just a crush find someone else to crush on lol

EDIT: Oh, and welcome Mew~!

NurseBarbra
June 14th, 2011, 04:38 PM
Crushing on straight guys? emm well.. Most of 'em I ended up "experimenting" with because they were having homosexual thoughts. So I guess I'm kinda lucky?
My only bad crush was on my best friend, Eoin and his twin. They're both gay (no twincest ladies...) and Aiden his twin liked me, even though I had no intrest. Eoin liked my friend Adam (Who I'm now dating, funny eh?) and Adam liked Aiden. LOVE SQUARE BISH!

On an unrelated note, The...morons who I reported have been put on reduced classes for all of next year (Wooooh). In the mean time they're gonna be doing their exams in a seperate exam center for being pricks. The code of conduct in my school is being revised awaiting approval from the Board of managment, and my school now has a proper GSA set up. (I'm on the founding member's board. WOOOH).

Hybrid Trainer
June 14th, 2011, 04:53 PM
My only bad crush was on my best friend, Eoin and his twin. They're both gay (no twincest ladies...) and Aiden his twin liked me, even though I had no intrest. Eoin liked my friend Adam (Who I'm now dating, funny eh?) and Adam liked Aiden. LOVE SQUARE BISH!

I think my brain just broke o.o

On an unrelated note, The...morons who I reported have been put on reduced classes for all of next year (Wooooh). In the mean time they're gonna be doing their exams in a seperate exam center for being pricks. The code of conduct in my school is being revised awaiting approval from the Board of managment, and my school now has a proper GSA set up. (I'm on the founding member's board. WOOOH).

Woo! :D Glad to hear their finally getting whats coming to them! :D

Sodom
June 14th, 2011, 04:57 PM
Crushing on straight guys? emm well.. Most of 'em I ended up "experimenting" with because they were having homosexual thoughts. So I guess I'm kinda lucky?
My only bad crush was on my best friend, Eoin and his twin. They're both gay (no twincest ladies...) and Aiden his twin liked me, even though I had no intrest. Eoin liked my friend Adam (Who I'm now dating, funny eh?) and Adam liked Aiden. LOVE SQUARE BISH!

Twins.... who are BOTH gay? I don't even... how could two parents possibly get so lucky! Plus that's hot as hell, my brain just broke too. But no, no twincest, that would be gross.

On an unrelated note, The...morons who I reported have been put on reduced classes for all of next year (Wooooh). In the mean time they're gonna be doing their exams in a seperate exam center for being pricks. The code of conduct in my school is being revised awaiting approval from the Board of managment, and my school now has a proper GSA set up. (I'm on the founding member's board. WOOOH).

That is SO awesome. The idiots have to be quarantined! That makes me so happy to hear. So unbelievably happy. Homophobes get quarantined while the gays roam free. I love 2011 XD

FreakyLocz14
June 14th, 2011, 05:44 PM
What did these homophobes do to be quarantined, exactly?

NurseBarbra
June 14th, 2011, 06:11 PM
What did these homophobes do to be quarantined, exactly?

Lots and lots of gay bashing. Along with other offences. (apparently they had weed at one point.)

EDIT:
Twins.... who are BOTH gay? I don't even... how could two parents possibly get so lucky! Plus that's hot as hell, my brain just broke too. But no, no twincest, that would be gross.
Apparently If one twin is born gay, the other has about an 80% chance of being gay. But they are hot I will say.

FreakyLocz14
June 14th, 2011, 08:53 PM
Lots and lots of gay bashing. Along with other offences. (apparently they had weed at one point.)

EDIT:

Apparently If one twin is born gay, the other has about an 80% chance of being gay. But they are hot I will say.

Oh, so they physically based students and had drugs? That's worthy of punishment. I just don't like when people are punished for having opinions.

Alternative
June 14th, 2011, 09:02 PM
The whole gay twins thing does sound cool I guess. It's sort of rare for people to have twins nowadays, let alone both of them being gay.

NurseBarbra
June 14th, 2011, 09:06 PM
It's sort of rare for people to have twins nowadays, let alone both of them being gay.

R- Really? Seriousally? I know like... 4 sets of twins? (E&A, K&H, J&A, K&K).... So does this make me lucky or something?

Alternative
June 14th, 2011, 09:11 PM
I don't know, I'm just guessing. I'm just saying it's not everyday a bunch of twins are born. :|

Renii
June 14th, 2011, 09:17 PM
Crushing on straight guys? emm well.. Most of 'em I ended up "experimenting" with because they were having homosexual thoughts. So I guess I'm kinda lucky?
My only bad crush was on my best friend, Eoin and his twin. They're both gay (no twincest ladies...) and Aiden his twin liked me, even though I had no intrest. Eoin liked my friend Adam (Who I'm now dating, funny eh?) and Adam liked Aiden. LOVE SQUARE BISH!

On an unrelated note, The...morons who I reported have been put on reduced classes for all of next year (Wooooh). In the mean time they're gonna be doing their exams in a seperate exam center for being pricks. The code of conduct in my school is being revised awaiting approval from the Board of managment, and my school now has a proper GSA set up. (I'm on the founding member's board. WOOOH).
I'm... O.o Confused.

Anyway,
WOW. That is amazing... Twin gays :)
That is like super super super hot. xD

And thanks guys :P I'll hopefully get over that weird crush -_-'

EDIT: Forgot this But that is awesome. Homophobes getting into trouble. Love this =)

FreakyLocz14
June 14th, 2011, 09:40 PM
We voted on a few LGBT bills this week. Both of these bills failed.

HR 144
Introduced by Rep. Rossi (D - LGBT Students, 2nd District)
Passed the House with 51 Yes and 50 Nays
Got majority support in the Senate but was killed by a filibuster of all Republicans except me and Sen. Woudham (R - Comestology), and 2 Democrats, Sen. Afzal (D - Muslim Student Association) and Sen. Brown (D - Black Student Union).
It would have formally recognized that there is no reasonable evidence that people choose to be LGBT.
Those who didn't vote for cloture and/or opposed the motion stated that while they don't have anything against LGBT people, they can't say that the evidence to support the birth theory is a "general consensus within the scientific community". That statement was made by Senate Majority Leader Roberts (R - Christian Club).

SB 59
Introduced by Sen. Macias (R - Gay / Straight Alliance, which is me)
Passed the Senate by a party-line vote of 13 Yeas, and 12 Nays. (GOP Majority)
Failed to pass the House by a party-line vote of 49 Yeas, and 52 Nays. (Dem Majority)
It would have recognized the important contribution of Republican politicians and organizations like the Log Cabin Republicans and GOProud have made to LGBT equality. It is notable that the 2 House reps for LGBT students, both of whom are Democrats, voted against the bill.

Mew~
June 14th, 2011, 11:08 PM
Crushes on people?
What's it like for an asexual to have a crush?

Sorry, but, honestly, I'm unsure of how asexuality functions as a whole- I haven't had that much experience with it.
It's perfectly normal, asexuality just interprets you as not feeling sexually attracted towards any person. In any case, the only crushes I've had are just people I tend to think look cute or just really like, weather they're boys and girls, though I guess in some opinions, those aren't really crushes. But chya, I don't think I'll be asexual all my life.

Renii
June 15th, 2011, 01:49 AM
It's perfectly normal, asexuality just interprets you as not feeling sexually attracted towards any person. In any case, the only crushes I've had are just people I tend to think look cute or just really like, weather they're boys and girls, though I guess in some opinions, those aren't really crushes. But chya, I don't think I'll be asexual all my life.

Don't worry. Sexuality is way too complicated.

It's not that easy to understand :)

Sodom
June 15th, 2011, 04:12 AM
Oh, so they physically based students and had drugs? That's worthy of punishment. I just don't like when people are punished for having opinions.

That's incredibly noble, and I'm sure everybody will agree with you on that point (normally I would too), but I'm just going to take this opportunity to be completely subjective.

I do. Homophobes have opinions that are incredibly harmful to people and these opinions are still making it so that we are punished every single day. I know I shouldn't and I know that it's hypocritical and that an-eye-for-an-eye philosophies are wrong, and above all I know it's not healthy, but I want them to be punished. With the full force of whatever has the power to punish them. It gives me great satisfaction when they are, even if they're not forceful with their homophobia.

Sorry, I just had a feeling and had to let that out. I love that this thread is a safe space where we can talk based on what we think and feel without having to qualify what we say :)

Esper
June 15th, 2011, 07:43 AM
That's incredibly noble, and I'm sure everybody will agree with you on that point (normally I would too), but I'm just going to take this opportunity to be completely subjective.

I do. Homophobes have opinions that are incredibly harmful to people and these opinions are still making it so that we are punished every single day. I know I shouldn't and I know that it's hypocritical and that an-eye-for-an-eye philosophies are wrong, and above all I know it's not healthy, but I want them to be punished. With the full force of whatever has the power to punish them. It gives me great satisfaction when they are, even if they're not forceful with their homophobia.

Sorry, I just had a feeling and had to let that out. I love that this thread is a safe space where we can talk based on what we think and feel without having to qualify what we say :)
It's actually quite justifiable if you're talking about kids up to high school, and probably including high school. You have to be a little stricter than you would with grown adults who (should) be able to understand that everyone has opinions and some choose to show them in bigoted ways. Schools need to be safe so you gotta err on the side of protecting students from harm/bashing/bullying/etc.

Fernando
June 15th, 2011, 11:01 AM
I have been so lazy to even look around here but I'd totally love to join this Alliance. :3

Femme Fatale
June 16th, 2011, 10:50 AM
I'd like to join as an ally! :)

Esper
June 16th, 2011, 11:05 AM
It's great to have more allies. :D

So I have a question to maybe get some more discussion going. How does everyone feel about 'the gay community' and things like 'gay culture' and what kinds of experiences have you had with them?

Femme Fatale
June 16th, 2011, 11:08 AM
It's great to have more allies. :D

So I have a question to maybe get some more discussion going. How does everyone feel about 'the gay community' and things like 'gay culture' and what kinds of experiences have you had with them?

I think the gay community is fabulous! I hate when homophobes say "why do gays need a community or had pride parades? straight people don't have parades.." Ignorant people... I go to pride every year and it's the most fun I ever! There's amazing music, hot guys, and ALCOHOL. What's better than that?

NurseBarbra
June 16th, 2011, 04:54 PM
"why do gays need a community or had pride parades? straight people don't have parades.."
The reason for this is because "straight people" don't need to tell people about their sexuality, It's just assumed because of society.


So I have a question to maybe get some more discussion going. How does everyone feel about 'the gay community' and things like 'gay culture' and what kinds of experiences have you had with them?

I've had quite the experience, as I am part of BeLongTo Dublin, And I'm hopefully going to the pride parade next week. So yeah, anyway.

aRedMoon
June 16th, 2011, 10:15 PM
I was wondering something.

How do you deal with crushes on straight people?Like everyone else has said, I say: just let it run its course. Your body will be attracted to people that won't reciprocate the feelings, and there will be times when you have to simply deny that attraction... so it's a perfectly good time to get started.

It's just the major suckage when you're ~not sure~ and only figure out ~for sure~ after you've gotten too far interested. :(Twins.... who are BOTH gay? I don't even... how could two parents possibly get so lucky! Plus that's hot as hell, my brain just broke too. But no, no twincest, that would be gross.It's actually pretty common, if one twin identifies as gay, then the other one is extremely likely to at least have ~tendencies~. More on the gay side of the scale.

And I would totally disagree. I'd die to see twins making out. Nothing more, but making out = mmmmHow does everyone feel about 'the gay community' and things like 'gay culture' and what kinds of experiences have you had with them?I much prefer the online community in places like this over real life.

My experience IRL has been a rather let down. A lot of... what's a good PC-level word... sexually experienced people. I was kinda into this really cute guy at work until I found out that he's of that variety, and ~gets around~ quite a bit. A rather big turn-off for me.

Renii
June 16th, 2011, 10:41 PM
I haven't been a part of the gay community as such. :/
I've been a part of online LGBT related communities, though. :)
Meh, I would like to go to a pride parade someday :D

Those questions made me think,
How important is being queer for you, what do people primarily identify you as? And do you like that?

By the second question I'm asking whether being queer is your primary identity or something else?

Dr.Kotov
June 16th, 2011, 10:54 PM
Why in the world wouldn't I join?
Add my name to the list.


Also, what do you people think about this?

New York Assembly approves same-sex marriage.
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-06-15/us/new.york.gay.marriage_1_marriage-bill-domestic-relations-law-marriage-license?_s=PM:US

The title is a bit misleading, as it is still to be put to the final vote.

FreakyLocz14
June 16th, 2011, 11:12 PM
That's incredibly noble, and I'm sure everybody will agree with you on that point (normally I would too), but I'm just going to take this opportunity to be completely subjective.

I do. Homophobes have opinions that are incredibly harmful to people and these opinions are still making it so that we are punished every single day. I know I shouldn't and I know that it's hypocritical and that an-eye-for-an-eye philosophies are wrong, and above all I know it's not healthy, but I want them to be punished. With the full force of whatever has the power to punish them. It gives me great satisfaction when they are, even if they're not forceful with their homophobia.

Sorry, I just had a feeling and had to let that out. I love that this thread is a safe space where we can talk based on what we think and feel without having to qualify what we say :)

Internally, I wish I can give them a taste of the pink pistol, as well. Realistically, I believe that equality and freedom of expression is a double-edged sword. If the LGBT community wants to be able to have the right to express themselves openly, then those who disagree with the LGBT lifestyle should be able to, as well.

Esper
June 17th, 2011, 11:30 AM
Those questions made me think,
How important is being queer for you, what do people primarily identify you as? And do you like that?

By the second question I'm asking whether being queer is your primary identity or something else?
For me it's not very important. Or rather, I'd wish it wasn't that important. A lot of the time I do wish I'd been born differently, or developed differently, or just been more 'normal'. I don't like to be identified as queer because for me that just brings out all the differences I have and I'd really rather not have to deal with all that some of the time. I don't mean to say that I think it's bad to be queer, just that I'd prefer to be identified as a person before anything else, and then to be known for my personality and all of the things that are more 'me' than my body.

FreakyLocz14
June 18th, 2011, 03:47 AM
Quick poll: Would you like to see what it's like to be the opposite orientation by taking on that role for a week? Say hypothetically you changed for a week.

Renii
June 18th, 2011, 04:36 AM
For me it's not very important. Or rather, I'd wish it wasn't that important. A lot of the time I do wish I'd been born differently, or developed differently, or just been more 'normal'. I don't like to be identified as queer because for me that just brings out all the differences I have and I'd really rather not have to deal with all that some of the time. I don't mean to say that I think it's bad to be queer, just that I'd prefer to be identified as a person before anything else, and then to be known for my personality and all of the things that are more 'me' than my body.

And that just doesn't happen, no?

Quick poll: Would you like to see what it's like to be the opposite orientation by taking on that role for a week? Say hypothetically you changed for a week.

I wish I could answer that. Being bi leaves me nowhere in that sense. Haha :D
Oh wait. Asexuality. I don't think I'd like that a lot.
I need something to lust for :P

Sodom
June 18th, 2011, 04:48 AM
OK first things first: Welcome to Femme Fatale, Fuyuhiko and Dr.Kotov!

Now, onto business (eesh am so behind lol)

Internally, I wish I can give them a taste of the pink pistol, as well. Realistically, I believe that equality and freedom of expression is a double-edged sword. If the LGBT community wants to be able to have the right to express themselves openly, then those who disagree with the LGBT lifestyle should be able to, as well.

Logically I agree, though it's not often that I can think logically when it comes to homophobes :P

Quick poll: Would you like to see what it's like to be the opposite orientation by taking on that role for a week? Say hypothetically you changed for a week.

Not really. Girls are the one thing I've never really been curious about. I know what lust feels like, I can't really imagine it'd feel a whole lot different lusting over a girl.

aRedMoon
June 19th, 2011, 08:11 AM
How important is being queer for you, what do people primarily identify you as? And do you like that?I don't think people identify me as it. They just kinda identify me as the weird guy. Like, people know (thank you, Facebook!) but it's not a big thing.

For instance, a few weeks ago, I was out with some people and the subject of girlfriends came up or something, and one of my friends turns to me and goes "But you're gay, right?" and I nodded. That's pretty much the only time my orientation has come up with friends.

Except Jedi_Amara when she came to visit. D:Quick poll: Would you like to see what it's like to be the opposite orientation by taking on that role for a week? Say hypothetically you changed for a week.I don't think so. I think it'd be rather boring, being into ~girls~

Sodom
June 20th, 2011, 04:44 AM
Just a random question for y'all: Does anybody here go on AfterEllen or AfterElton.com? I have a lot of gay friends that can't get enough of them, but I just can't get into them.

Jubilation
June 20th, 2011, 04:51 AM
I'd like to join please. I'm gay : )

And yes, I go on both of those sites for news from time to time.

Sodom
June 20th, 2011, 04:58 AM
I'd like to join please. I'm gay : )

And yes, I go on both of those sites for news from time to time.

Welcome, Jubilation! I have to say, I've seen you around the boards and wondered when you would join us :)

And you've joined at a good time! Our wonderful new mod Alternative is going to update the list for us in the absence of our fearless leader.

And re: AfterEllen/Elton, which do you use? Because even though I should be on Elton, I feel like AfterEllen has more news for me lol

Sydian
June 20th, 2011, 07:39 AM
Welcome, Jubilation! I have to say, I've seen you around the boards and wondered when you would join us

So we're a cult now? :( lol

Quick poll: Would you like to see what it's like to be the opposite orientation by taking on that role for a week? Say hypothetically you changed for a week.

...Just thinking about that makes me quiver in fear. -goes to jump off a bridge-

Astinus
June 20th, 2011, 08:55 PM
How important is being queer for you, what do people primarily identify you as? And do you like that?
Being what I am is a part of who I am as a whole, but it's not all that I am. Unfortunately, some people who know that I'm attracted to the opposite sex act like that's all I am, when that's really not a big part of my life. They make it into a bigger deal than I do.

Would you like to see what it's like to be the opposite orientation by taking on that role for a week? Say hypothetically you changed for a week.
Absolutely not. Just the thought of not being asexual is making me want to clean my skin raw. And I would have no idea what to do with myself if I was cis.

Does anybody here go on AfterEllen or AfterElton.com?
I don't. The only time that I read anything from those sites is when AfterElton talks about Glee.

FreakyLocz14
June 20th, 2011, 09:29 PM
Ellen seems like a nice lady, but I don't really watch her show.

Jubilation
June 21st, 2011, 12:33 AM
I use Elton mainly too, though sometimes I might visit Ellen.

And thanks for letting me join the cult : D

Alternative
June 21st, 2011, 06:03 AM
I sometimes watch Ellen, only because it's usually the best thing on TV here at that time, which is normally 12pm or 5pm as a repeat, and even then it's only ever an old episode. Also tbh I don't think I've ever heard Ellen ramble on about her sexuality choices, unless she's talking about Portia, and even then she's kinda discreet about blurting it all out.

Quite the polite woman she is. :)

Sodom
June 21st, 2011, 06:24 AM
I never miss an episode of Ellen, her show is just epic. And no, she doesn't talk much about her sexuality on the show because that would de-normalise it. She makes little jokes about it once in a while, but just for a chuckle, nothing major. She talks about Portia a lot, just like they are a regular married couple. Because they are.

I love that she's "being the change she wants to see in the world" as it were.



So we're a cult now? :( lol

LOL it did come out that way, didn't it? Like I'm stalking people thinking "he's next..."

Alternative
June 21st, 2011, 06:29 AM
I know the last episode I watched she rambled on about how she went and bought loads of energy drinks and explained them all in detail. Like, 5 hour energy, 7 hour, energy and alcohol, just chill and other random things. And I thought pocket rockets were weird. :/

ELLEN IS INSPIRATIONAL SOMEWHAT! makes it on topic, ah yeah

Ctrl.Alt.Geak
June 21st, 2011, 06:48 AM
I apologize for not being too active lately

Quick poll: Would you like to see what it's like to be the opposite orientation by taking on that role for a week? Say hypothetically you changed for a week.
I really wouldnt. In a romantic and physical sense, I find the opposite sex to be disgusting (I hope I dont sound rude the way I said that, I mean I'm willing to be friends with anyone of any gender, but I wouldnt want to "date" someone of the opposite sex)

Just a random question for y'all: Does anybody here go on AfterEllen or AfterElton.com? I have a lot of gay friends that can't get enough of them, but I just can't get into them.
I dont but I have considered it. Could someone please tell me what both sites are like?

Hope you dont mind if I start my own little poll question, I tried to word it the best I can:
At what point in life did you come to realize you are [whatever sexual orientation you are]?
I mean I know that on some level most people know all their lives but for some there can be a more defining moment.

Renii
June 21st, 2011, 06:58 AM
This is the first time I have heard about AfterEllen and AfterElton. What are they like?


At what point in life did you come to realize you are [whatever sexual orientation you are]?

When I was 9-10 I think. I mean, I wasn't told what gay meant. I didn't know anyone who was gay either. But I found myself fantasizing about guys, so yeah that has to be it. The time I finally accepted it was 16(?) and decided to come out at 17.

Sodom
June 21st, 2011, 05:07 PM
www.afterellen.com and www.afterelton.com are partner sites that sort of act as news hubs and forums for the gay community. AfterElton caters for gay men, while AfterEllen is more directed toward lesbians. They're really good for support and I love what they're trying to do, but for some reason I can't make myself get into them, as much as I want to.

At what point in life did you come to realize you are [whatever sexual orientation you are]?
It's a funny story with me actually. I was about 12 or 13, because I was in Year 7. Everybody talks about how difficult it is for people to come to terms with the fact that they are gay - and they are scared of the attraction to the same sex and try to convince themselves that the are just bisexual at first until finally realise they're lying to themselves and have to relent. But I feel like I kind of cheated, because I went through none of that. I had no journey of self-acceptance. I remember it well; I was in the change rooms after a PE lesson and I saw one of the boys take his shirt off. Then that of course sent my hormones into crazy mode and I had to force myself to stop looking at him.

Then when I got out of the change room and had the presence of mind to realise what had just happened, my exact thought verbatim was "Huh. Alright then." and after that, I just sort of assumed I was gay and never gave it a second thought.

FreakyLocz14
June 21st, 2011, 10:16 PM
When I was a kid, we would call each other gay and related slurs jokingly or when we wanted to express disapproval. We picked this up from our elders, and other kids at school did the same, so we thought it was normal at the time. A lot of us didn't even know what those words actually meant.

Gymnotide
June 21st, 2011, 10:28 PM
Just going to drop this in here, if it hasn't been done so already.
http://www.itgetsbetter.org/blog/entry/rise-against-and-it-gets-better-project-tackle-bullying-in-new-music-video-/

Sydian
June 21st, 2011, 10:40 PM
At what point in life did you come to realize you are [whatever sexual orientation you are]?

Uhhh, I never really had any doubts? XD Never went through that "fad bi" phase like most people I went to high school with.

When I was a kid, we would call each other gay and related slurs jokingly or when we wanted to express disapproval. We picked this up from our elders, and other kids at school did the same, so we thought it was normal at the time. A lot of us didn't even know what those words actually meant.

When I was in...3rd grade, this dude across the lunch table from me was like "I'mma tell you a secret, but you can't tell nobody okay? Gay...means happy." And that's all she wrote.

Hybrid Trainer
June 22nd, 2011, 05:29 AM
At what point in life did you come to realize you are [whatever sexual orientation you are]?
Well i was apparently always a very 'gay' child x] while every other child my age was begging for the new action man i was throwing a tantrum to get a doll and pram, which when i got i took everywhere i went -.-
But i guess i was about 9-ish when i realized i liked boys because of a friend who knew way to much about sex than any 8 year old should, but like more other people i found out that i was called gay when i was 11 and i was in high school and i over heard the banter between everyone whilst we were changing for PE class.

Renii
June 22nd, 2011, 08:45 AM
I'm not being a sympathy-wh*re. I'm just super annoyed. This happened today:
http://img42.imageshack.us/i/capturejpy.png/
They sound so not like 17 year olds, do they?

I'm Chetan. I think that they thought it was a big joke or something. I mean, I got a text from the Archit guy saying "Omg someone hacked your account, you're bi!!!" And I said "It was me you retard."
Then he said "Omg I'm not talking to you." A few minutes later he asked me the homework -_-

EDIT: Siddharth isn't really guy, or at least not out ;)

Esper
June 22nd, 2011, 09:25 AM
Renii, I'm sorry you have to put up with immature people like that. I hope they are not too common where you are.

At what point in life did you come to realize you are [whatever sexual orientation you are]?
I can look back to almost as early as I can remember and see a lot of things that would have been signs if I'd been able to understand what they meant. Early in high school I came to terms with my sexuality when I realized that I'd had feeling for several people who were both girls and boys. Well, at the time just one boy, but that was when I realized it. Later in high school I began to understand better that I was transgendered although, like I said, I'd had the pieces from way back and it was just a matter of putting them together and having that light bulb moment.

Sydian
June 22nd, 2011, 09:35 AM
OMG I couldn't understand most of the comments. I thought they were just typing really bad...was that a different language? -shot- But still, I got the gist of it. Like Scarf said, I'm sorry you have to deal with immature people like that. :/ Unfortunately though, they're everywhere, for every cause.

Hybrid Trainer
June 22nd, 2011, 09:42 AM
Just ignore then Renii, science says most of them are probably gay anyway.
Well it's not science really but psychology says most of them are xD (http://www.philosophy-religion.org/handouts/homophobia.htm)

Renii
June 22nd, 2011, 10:19 AM
In a different language. I translated them for you.

I'm out of the initial shock :P
The first time this happened, I don't think I care that much though :)

NurseBarbra
June 22nd, 2011, 12:55 PM
I'm not being a sympathy-wh*re. I'm just super annoyed. This happened today:
http://img42.imageshack.us/i/capturejpy.png/
They sound so not like 17 year olds, do they?

They sound like ignorant fluff heads with nothing but the most absent minded and confounded beliefs. So what if you're bi. It's not like you're shoving your sexual orientation at them, you're not being bi AT them, Why should one little aspect of yourself have to make you lose friends, It's not like you being bi affects them and drastically changes who you are currently as if "OMG HE LIEKz Bois! Dnt Toch meh!"... And most likely they've thought about other guys and girls aswell, your just who you are, Don't change yourself to please others because everyone gets hurt in the end. [/rant]

aRedMoon
June 22nd, 2011, 01:04 PM
At what point in life did you come to realize you are [whatever sexual orientation you are]?I was 6th grade, and I remember walking around in the hallway and going "He's hot." or "I'd do him."

It kinda clicked.... :P

Sodom
June 22nd, 2011, 03:06 PM
Ugh I'm disgusted in those guys Renii. I'm reminded of a line from my blog, "The fact that we prefer penises does not mean that we want yours". You should tell them not to flatter themselves. One day, everybody will wake up.

Sydian
June 22nd, 2011, 03:25 PM
I was 6th grade, and I remember walking around in the hallway and going "He's hot." or "I'd do him."

OMG YOU WERE THINKING THAT IN 6TH GRADE? ;o; So young, lol. Or maybe I was just sheltered. I didn't know how sex even worked til 10th grade. I mean, I knew the technical stuff, but I mean, I literally thought that a guy's penis slithered into a girl's vagina. And that's all she wrote. lol As for how homosexual sex would happen, I don't even think I wanna try to remember how I thought that was supposed to work out. XD; I was dumb, yeah yeah.

aRedMoon
June 22nd, 2011, 07:42 PM
OMG YOU WERE THINKING THAT IN 6TH GRADE? ;o; So young, lol. Or maybe I was just sheltered. I didn't know how sex even worked til 10th grade. I mean, I knew the technical stuff, but I mean, I literally thought that a guy's penis slithered into a girl's vagina. And that's all she wrote. lol As for how homosexual sex would happen, I don't even think I wanna try to remember how I thought that was supposed to work out. XD; I was dumb, yeah yeah.
I hit puberty early >_> And had corrupting cousins. And I spent my childhood watching soap operas.

...yes, I can lay the blame anywhere. :3

Sydian
June 22nd, 2011, 09:32 PM
Well I knew about sex when I was in 4th grade, but idk. I hit puberty in 6th grade, but eh, sex wasn't on the brain. XD; I guess I wasn't informed enough about it and wasn't really curious enough to know. OH WELL tales of a sheltered child etc.

Renii
June 23rd, 2011, 08:19 AM
They sound like ignorant fluff heads with nothing but the most absent minded and confounded beliefs. So what if you're bi. It's not like you're shoving your sexual orientation at them, you're not being bi AT them, Why should one little aspect of yourself have to make you lose friends, It's not like you being bi affects them and drastically changes who you are currently as if "OMG HE LIEKz Bois! Dnt Toch meh!"... And most likely they've thought about other guys and girls aswell, your just who you are, Don't change yourself to please others because everyone gets hurt in the end. [/rant]

Awwweee... You're so cute when you're angry.

Ugh I'm disgusted in those guys Renii. I'm reminded of a line from my blog, "The fact that we prefer penises does not mean that we want yours". You should tell them not to flatter themselves. One day, everybody will wake up.
I made that clear. I was annoyed at them. They replied, "we were just confirming and publicly announcing that you are bi."
I am trying so hard to be angry... But the talk like 5 year olds -_-

Well I knew about sex when I was in 4th grade, but idk. I hit puberty in 6th grade, but eh, sex wasn't on the brain. XD; I guess I wasn't informed enough about it and wasn't really curious enough to know. OH WELL tales of a sheltered child etc.
You're still better off than people I know. They didn't hit puberty till they were 16. :O
Oh well I started puberty at around 9-10, so... :P

NurseBarbra
June 23rd, 2011, 01:45 PM
Awwweee... You're so cute when you're angry

Aw really? Thanks. So how is everyones summer so far? Mine has been Grand.

FreakyLocz14
June 23rd, 2011, 09:33 PM
SF Pride is tomorrow, btw. Are any of you going?

Esper
June 24th, 2011, 08:46 AM
Oh, I'd forgotten it was tomorrow. I mean, I knew it was happening since my friend kept talking about saving up enough drinking money to go (because apparently Pride in SF is just an excuse to drink at 3 in the afternoon), but I already made plans and it seems like yet another year before I can actually see it in person.

aRedMoon
June 24th, 2011, 06:51 PM
"History in the making! The New York state senate has just successfully passed the Marriage Equality bill with bipartisan support!"

--> "9 minutes ago" "You and 5,407 others like this."

Wow.

Jubilation
June 24th, 2011, 07:00 PM
I just saw this on facebook too. I think it's amazing and a step in the right direction for equality!

Alakazam17
June 24th, 2011, 07:04 PM
At what point in life did you come to realize you are [whatever sexual orientation you are]? Well, sexual orientation aside, while I didn't know the name for it until much later, I've known I was transgender since I was a baby. I had long hair until I started school, and for my first three Halloweens I was Raggedy Anne, a Native American princess, and the Queen of Hearts, respectively. Haha. I remember really accepting it and contemplating telling my parents when I was 7, but that never happened until I was 22. *sweatdrop*

As for sexual orientation, I wasn't really sure what to think growing up. When I was 11 I formally decided to keep my gender a secret "for the rest of my life," and since I wasn't a gay guy or a straight guy, and had no intentions of 'playing' either, I consequently denied myself from exploring my sexual preferences. I mistook dysphoria for attraction for the longest time, and finally accepted that I was straight when I was around 19.

Sodom
June 24th, 2011, 07:13 PM
"History in the making! The New York state senate has just successfully passed the Marriage Equality bill with bipartisan support!"

--> "9 minutes ago" "You and 5,407 others like this."

Wow.

I just heard about this on Twitter too, I'm so excited! I literally cannot stop smiling, and I don't even live anywhere near New York! I made a thread about it in Other Chat, y'all should post!

How wonderful is it? We got New York!

NurseBarbra
June 25th, 2011, 06:15 PM
How wonderful is it? We got New York!
We SHOULD have the world....

Sodom
June 25th, 2011, 08:19 PM
We SHOULD have the world....

We should, but there's no need to be bitter about that in a such an awesome celebratory time! This could well be our ticket to the world!

EDIT: It seems fitting that my 666th post is in the LGBT thread. I should have put it in the atheist alliance, but oh well XD

FreakyLocz14
June 27th, 2011, 11:27 AM
SF Pride was scary yet fun at the same time.

Ursula
June 28th, 2011, 05:11 AM
We should, but there's no need to be bitter about that in a such an awesome celebratory time! This could well be our ticket to the world!
Especially when one considers the amendment o3o;

Anyway, I can't wait to go to Dallas Pride in September XD; I'm so excited.

Jubilation
June 28th, 2011, 05:24 AM
I'm going to Minus18, it's a organisation which organises parties for gay and lesbian teens under 21 (straight people are allowed to come of course too!). This time it's a mask party ; D

FreakyLocz14
June 29th, 2011, 11:03 PM
I have a question. Are any of you bothered by the use of the term "gay" to express disapproval. Example: "That's so gay."?

I'm not. I actually don't think that people should have to filter their language if they clearly didn't mean for it to be an attack on a group of people. I think that people need to lighten up and drop this whole politically correct nonsense where people can't speak their minds because it might offend someone.

There's a clear difference is using slurs to put down a homosexual and saying that something they disapprove of is "gay."

Remember, that word actually means happy, so technically, using it to mean homosexual is also an incorrect usage of the word.

ソラ
June 29th, 2011, 11:33 PM
OMG YOU WERE THINKING THAT IN 6TH GRADE? ;o; So young, lol.

Lol. My bestie, she knew she was a lesbian about when she was 9 years old. O.O sometimes I try to trick her to liking boys cause i have a crush on her lol.

I was probably around 13 - 15 when I figured out I was attractive to boys >.<
But I'm bisexual. ;3.
But I live more to the heterosexual side, But I do find boys attractive. But I'm not exactly "open" to it, since in the past I tried it, but I had @$$holes friends who would call out your fail, or anything they dont agree on, and bash it to you for your whole life. But the people I care about know I am, but just not everyone, basically it's non of their beeswax, man. Lol.

But I'd like to join tho :3

I have a question. Are any of you bothered by the use of the term "gay" to express disapproval. Example: "That's so gay."?

I'm not. I actually don't think that people should have to filter their language if they clearly didn't mean for it to be an attack on a group of people. I think that people need to lighten up and drop this whole politically correct nonsense where people can't speak their minds because it might offend someone.

There's a clear difference is using slurs to put down a homosexual and saying that something they disapprove of is "gay."

Remember, that word actually means happy, so technically, using it to mean homosexual is also an incorrect usage of the word.

Well that is an interesting question. I mean I use it. :x But I dont say it to my gay friends except my bestie who is lesbians, and she said "hey, I'm gay you know", and I said "I know, but I loooove you", and She said "I prefer you used, "That is so homosexual"", she said she uses it all the time.
But everyone knows the rapper Eminem, uses slurrs that offends homosexuality people. But he said in an interview the word "f@g" isnt really towards homosexual, he said when he was growing up, that word was throwed alot in battles, and raps. He also said "If you're Straight, Gay, White, Black, Fat or Skinny, If you're nice to me, I'll be nice to you". So the word gay has two meanings too, Homosexual gay, and Happy Gay. But the slur for gay has been thrown around since i was in middle school and Highschool, its just grew on me when I'm like pissed like at this game "this is so gay" as in "Lame" not in a homophobic way. More of a lame, stinks, suck term. But mostly my friends who are gay dont care, they laugh and say it too, sometimes.

Esper
June 30th, 2011, 09:13 AM
I have a question. Are any of you bothered by the use of the term "gay" to express disapproval. Example: "That's so gay."?
When I hear people say "That's so gay" (though it's actually been quite a while since I've heard that so maybe the times are a-changing) I say things like "No, that's so straight" or "Yeah, it's totally attracted to _____ of the same sex." Basically, I make fun of them and try to make using the word in that context sound lame so no one will do it anyone. But yeah, it does bother me, partially because it's unconsciously hateful and partially because it's just a lazy/stupid use of English.

Now I'm curious. Does anyone hear stuff like that on a daily basis? I'd like to think we've kind of moved past that now.

FreakyLocz14
June 30th, 2011, 01:23 PM
When I hear people say "That's so gay" (though it's actually been quite a while since I've heard that so maybe the times are a-changing) I say things like "No, that's so straight" or "Yeah, it's totally attracted to _____ of the same sex." Basically, I make fun of them and try to make using the word in that context sound lame so no one will do it anyone. But yeah, it does bother me, partially because it's unconsciously hateful and partially because it's just a lazy/stupid use of English.

Now I'm curious. Does anyone hear stuff like that on a daily basis? I'd like to think we've kind of moved past that now.

This is where I disagree. I don't see it as hateful if it's not used in a context where it refers negatively to homosexuality. I just see it as slang. Just like the word "gay" developed a new meaning from happy to homosexual, this could be yet a new meaning. Slang terms have been added to the dictionary over time.

Sodom
June 30th, 2011, 03:46 PM
I have a question. Are any of you bothered by the use of the term "gay" to express disapproval. Example: "That's so gay."?

It doesn't offend me as such, but yeah it does bug me. Mostly because it's completely unnecessary, and when people used it in school it was clear that it did come from the homosexual meaning and was not a new meaning unto itself. We have enough words to express "bad", we don't need another one.