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June 13th, 2011, 2:26 PM
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Looks like Ol' Karpy decided to try Stall again. This team is a lot better than Doomwashingbad, but it's nothing special, either. Hopefully you guys can help me excel with this team.

http://pokebattlecenter.net/ermt/sprites/248.gif http://pokebattlecenter.net/ermt/sprites/385.gif http://pokebattlecenter.net/ermt/sprites/233.gif http://pokebattlecenter.net/ermt/sprites/205.gif http://pokebattlecenter.net/ermt/sprites/130.gif http://pokebattlecenter.net/ermt/sprites/251.gif

http://pokebattlecenter.net/ermt/sprites/248.gif @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 152 Def / 104 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Crunch
- Stealth Rock

Monstrous, bulky lead T-Tar. It's main purpose is to set up Rocks, destroy stuff like Nattorei, or Scizor that switch in on him and stop weather. I was thinking of using Hippo, but it doesn't get the same powerful moves that T-Tar does/can't use attacks as well as T-Tar, nor does it get the SpDef boost from the sand.

http://pokebattlecenter.net/ermt/sprites/385.gif@ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 224 SDef / 32 Spd
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Iron Head
- Body Slam
- Wish
- Protect

Specially Defensive Haxrachi, it worked wonders for Aero and is pretty cute on this team as well. Its Wish support is extremely helpful, not to mention it's Steel typing and ability to beat or severely hamper Latios.

http://pokebattlecenter.net/ermt/sprites/233.gif@ Eviolite
Trait: Download
EVs: 252 HP / 40 SAtk / 216 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Thunder Wave
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Thunderbolt

Probably the star of the team. It's sort of like a Mini-Blissey that can hit back. Ice Beam murders Dragons, Thunder Wave hampers threats and Thunderbolt makes my team a lot less Gyarados weak. I kind of want to Substitute one of these attacks for Hidden Power Ground/Fire though, because this thing Walls, but doesn't beat Magnezone, who this team hates to fight.

http://pokebattlecenter.net/ermt/sprites/205.gif @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef / 4 Spd
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Spikes
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Payback

So yeah, this thing is kind of bad, but it's great to cause Jirachi switches by laying spikes/spinning. It was a lot more useful when Arghonaut was part of the team, because then it wasn't total Setup Bait.

http://pokebattlecenter.net/ermt/sprites/130.gif @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Waterfall
- Sleep Talk
- Rest
- Roar

Alright, so I was using the Create a Pokemon Arghonaut (http://www.smogon.com/cap/pokemon/arghonaut) before this. It pretty much made this team awesome and could easily switch in and beat things that tried to set up on Forretress. After some deep personal thought, I realized that this team could not be used on PC and to ladder seriously, if it had a fake Pokemon on it. With tears in my eyes, I replaced Arghonaut with Gyarados, the next closest thing. I basically just Roar stuff out while walling it with Gyara's cute defensive typing.

http://pokebattlecenter.net/ermt/sprites/251.gif@ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 232 HP / 240 SAtk / 36 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Recover
- Heal Bell
- Leaf Storm
- Hidden Power [Fire]

The team's adorable little cleric and Leech seed absorber. Leaf Storm generally murders stuff while HP Fire generally murders stuff resistant to Leaf Storm.

http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/530.pngExcadrill-Gyara does ok here, I guess
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/534.pngConkeldurr-Gyara Roar
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/635.pngHydreigon-Never fought one of these but imagine Jirachi or P2 would help here.
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/639.pngTerrakion-This will probably end up sweeping me
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/609.pngChandelure-P2, Gyara
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/612.pngHaxorus-Lum Haxorus is annoying, but Jirachi and P2 can usually take down the non-lum ones.
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/640.pngVirizion-Weak to this.
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/642.pngThundurus-P2, Jirachi
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/560.pngScrafty-Gyarados, unless it has Thunderpunch
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/579.pngReuniclus-Jirachi, Gyara
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/620.pngMienshao-This could cause me trouble
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/641.pngTornadus-P2, Jirachi
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/380.pngLatias-P2, Jirachi
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/445.pngGarchomp-P2 at full health? Otherwise I'm sort of in trouble here.
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/003.pngVenusaur-Celebi, I guess?
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/454.pngToxicroak-T-Tar if it's on the switch, otherwise I'm in trouble
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/286.pngBreloom-This thing is the antichrist, I really need something to beat it.
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/132.pngDitto-Uh, no idea.
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/212.pngScizor-Gyarados and T-Tar if it's a switch in. I can usually predict a SD and Fire Blast it.
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/272.pngLudicolo-Jirachi, probably.
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/376.pngMetagross-Maybe Gyarados or P2?
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/392.pngInfernape-Gyara, but not really. This thing is another nuisance to my team.
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/485.pngHeatran-Gyara, P2, T-Tar when I paralyze it
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/149.pngDragonite-Annoying, P2 should beat it, but it usually hits it too hard.
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/385.pngJirachi-I sorta just spam EQs and HP Fires at it until it dies and use Forry to cause it to switch.
http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/245.pngSuicune-Celebi or Gyara to roar it out
EDIT: So are Jellicent and Ferrothorn not considered threats at PBC?


Dark Azelf
June 13th, 2011, 2:56 PM
This team doesnt look too bad actually.

Tyranitar wants Sassy max hp and sp.def with Rest over Earthquake with a Chesto Berry to avoid being worn down, this also beats Magnezone quite well.

Trace > Download on P2.

Regardless this team is quite good. However you have a fatal flaw, this; http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRYmPGm8dN4-i8Uq_iGsvDZwEtjvf9RvVq4eRL6PKY9CghhRwVD aka Rapid Spin. I suggest you put a ghost over Celebi. This would help alot. Cofagrigus might work with Haze to stop SmashPassing shenanigans with Espeon which bounces back Roar.

You could also replace P2 with Chansey or Blissey whom could alleviate your Magnezone problems a little and to Heal Bell away Cofagrigus Rest.

Hope this helps, good luck with the team.

June 13th, 2011, 5:29 PM
I think this deserves mentioning:

You're team is great. I wish I had something constructive to add, but I don't.
I hope I can build a team like this someday.

Keep up the good work man.

June 15th, 2011, 2:53 PM
I'm on the same page as Elf about the ghost thing. Cofagrigus would be pretty good because, as Elf mentioned, SmashPass teams with Baton Pass Espeon (in other words, all of them) don't have to worry about Roar / Whirlwind phazing options because of magic bounce. :P Haze would help out by a lot, as a highly offensive team like a SmashPass team can wreck through stall without a problem (thanks to Espeon reflecting all your setup, and preventing roar/whirlwind phazing).

I don't have much else to say, as it's a really well constructed team. But on P-2 you could give Discharge >> Thunderbolt a shot, and then HP Ground/Fire >> Thunder Wave if you're worried about beating Magnezone. It obviously also helps with other steels as well.