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pokewalker
June 17th, 2011, 09:57 AM
Surprised there hasn't been made one yet lol. So, this place is basically about Christians. If you are Christians and believe in Christ, the Holy Spirit and God, please join :D Otherwise shut up xD

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The Pokécommunity Christian Group

Rules:

-All Pokécommunity rules.
-Doesn't matter what kind of Christian you are, just join either if you are Eastern-Orthodox or Catholic or whatever.
-No trolling about our religion. All trolling about our religion will get reported to the Pokécommunity staff.
-You can only join if you are Christian, but of course, you may ask questions about the religion.


Members:

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Members:
Destiny Demon (http://www.pokecommunity.com/member.php?u=225828)
Åzurε (http://www.pokecommunity.com/member.php?u=127416)
Xyrin (http://www.pokecommunity.com/member.php?u=87318)
FrostPheonix (http://www.pokecommunity.com/member.php?u=230108)
FreakyLocz14 (http://www.pokecommunity.com/member.php?u=153147)
chef30 (http://www.pokecommunity.com/member.php?u=258626)
Hassan_Abdillah (http://www.pokecommunity.com/member.php?u=246512)
hiff8 (http://www.pokecommunity.com/member.php?u=200640)
Cartmic (http://www.pokecommunity.com/member.php?u=430)
deku (http://www.pokecommunity.com/member.php?u=36192)
zZJoennZz (http://www.pokecommunity.com/member.php?u=205593)
Stoney the Togekiss (http://www.pokecommunity.com/member.php?u=92818)
Missingno.7-4468 (http://www.pokecommunity.com/member.php?u=140648)
Evanlyn (http://www.pokecommunity.com/member.php?u=275052)
Bluerang1 (http://www.pokecommunity.com/member.php?u=152149)
Tails05 (http://www.pokecommunity.com/member.php?u=275607)




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Questions:
What are you? As in sort of Christian. Catholic, (like me), Protestant, etc...
What do you think of the Vatican?
There will be added new questions soon. You may of course think of your own questions and share them here!

Peace to all, and may God be with you!

Kevin
June 17th, 2011, 01:27 PM
I'm a Christian, so why not join? (:

What are you?
A Baptist.

Åzurε
June 17th, 2011, 01:38 PM
Okay, sure I'll join.

As far as denomination, I'm Church of Christ. The label doesn't mean much to me personally, though.

Xyrin
June 17th, 2011, 01:52 PM
I guess I'll join. We're old regular baptists.

pokewalker
June 18th, 2011, 02:32 AM
Everything is updated! :D And a big welcome to the new members :)

Hassan_Abdillah
June 18th, 2011, 03:11 AM
I'm not a Christian, so obviously can't join. But I find religious discussions to be almost always beneficial. Especially in today's day and age.

I would not post, but will be keeping up with what is said in this thread if God wills.

FrostPheonix
June 18th, 2011, 03:42 AM
I'd like to join!

Also, I'm Catholic, even if I don't agree to some aspects of it's teaching.

FreakyLocz14
June 18th, 2011, 03:45 AM
I was so thinking of making this thread, but of course I'll join.

Roman Catholic here

pokewalker
June 18th, 2011, 05:10 AM
I'm not a Christian, so obviously can't join. But I find religious discussions to be almost always beneficial. Especially in today's day and age.

I would not post, but will be keeping up with what is said in this thread if God wills.

But you do believe in God? So if you do believe in Him, you can of course join! ^^

I'd like to join!

Also, I'm Catholic, even if I don't agree to some aspects of it's teaching.

Ok you're added. And yeah, I'm Catholic cos my parents decided; but still I don't always 100% agree with it, e.g. that priests can't get married. But still I don't like the Protestant church; just only Catholic.

I was so thinking of making this thread, but of course I'll join.

Roman Catholic here

Haha I was also surprised nothing was made yet. xD

Everything is updated! And new question;

What do you think of the Vatican?
Myself I think they just need to shut up with their condom things and stuff; cos that just doesnt make any sense. For the rest, I think they're ok.

Edit: lol, this is post Nr 6699999! xD

chef30
June 18th, 2011, 05:56 AM
Hi, I'm a christian, and I am very proud of it! I would like to join as well! ^_^

I am a baptist.

And I'm also competing in the Bible bee. It's like a spelling bee, but you have to memorize 500 verses, and get tested on the book of 1 Peter. It's so much fun!

The LORD will fight for you while you keep silent.
Exodus 14:14

Hassan_Abdillah
June 18th, 2011, 08:45 AM
But you do believe in God? So if you do believe in Him, you can of course join! ^^


If that's the criterion for joining, I'll be more than willing to join. No point missing out on religion.

However, just the mere belief in God doesn't make someone a Christian now does it? I believe in God, and I believe in the fact that a man by the name of Jesus (peace be upon him) came to Nazareth as a messenger from God to show them the straight path. As far as Im concerned though, to be a Christian you have to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior i.e. that he died for our sins. I don't believe that. If you're still willing to take me in, I will of course join.

hiff8
June 18th, 2011, 09:02 AM
Kool i'll join im Catholic, this is pretty ironic cause my pastor was talking about how pokemon were satanic the other day, im not even kidding anyone care to comment

pokewalker
June 18th, 2011, 09:47 AM
Hi, I'm a christian, and I am very proud of it! I would like to join as well! ^_^

I am a baptist.

And I'm also competing in the Bible bee. It's like a spelling bee, but you have to memorize 500 verses, and get tested on the book of 1 Peter. It's so much fun!

The LORD will fight for you while you keep silent.
Exodus 14:14

Cool! Souns fun ^^ Will probably try it when I finish school.

If that's the criterion for joining, I'll be more than willing to join. No point missing out on religion.

However, just the mere belief in God doesn't make someone a Christian now does it? I believe in God, and I believe in the fact that a man by the name of Jesus (peace be upon him) came to Nazareth as a messenger from God to show them the straight path. As far as Im concerned though, to be a Christian you have to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior i.e. that he died for our sins. I don't believe that. If you're still willing to take me in, I will of course join.

From what I get out of your words you do believe in God only you don't believe that Jesus died to save us. Well, if that is, you can join I guess. I was first like that too; I didn't know what was the truth. But now I believe in God with everything I got :D

Kool i'll join im Catholic, this is pretty ironic cause my pastor was talking about how pokemon were satanic the other day, im not even kidding anyone care to comment

Really? :o But still if it was why would there be so many people who play pokémon believe in God; I mean just look at the SPPf Christian Alliance, there are thousands of posts there and hundreds of members. xD I think your pastor had it wrong this time.

And I'll update the Member section later when I get time.

FrostPheonix
June 18th, 2011, 12:59 PM
What do you think of the Vatican?

As I am not very familiar with differences between different sects of christianity, I am not sure what the people over there talk abt ^^. What I do think abt it tho is that the pope has some wierd laws. Why shouldn't priests marry? Peter (the first pope?) married...

Hassan_Abdillah
June 19th, 2011, 12:30 AM
From what I get out of your words you do believe in God only you don't believe that Jesus died to save us. Well, if that is, you can join I guess. I was first like that too; I didn't know what was the truth. But now I believe in God with everything I got :D

Yeah I would definitely like to Join.

FreakyLocz14
June 20th, 2011, 09:32 PM
Do you guys attend church regularly.

Cartmic
June 22nd, 2011, 04:26 AM
I'm a Christian.

I believe:
- the bible is the inspired word of God.
- in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as one God.
- if you truly seek Jesus with all your heart he will reveal himself to you.
- in the Gifts of the Spirit.
- that Jesus died and rose physically.
- that through Jesus I can have relationship with God.

Kool i'll join im Catholic, this is pretty ironic cause my pastor was talking about how pokemon were satanic the other day, im not even kidding anyone care to comment

Sounds like he needs to read 1 Corinthians 10:23:
All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful for me, but not all things edify.[NKJV]

As long as it does not take your attention off Christ leading you to drift away you're fine. That is unless the Holy Spirit specifically tells you not to be involved with such things.

Gulpin
June 23rd, 2011, 07:37 PM
I'm Roman Catholic over here!
I'd love to join this club :D
My family attends church once a week, at whatever time we can. Sometimes it is 7:30 on Sunday, others 4:00, 5:00, or 6:00 Saturday/Sunday, just depending on when we don't have anything conflicting.

zZJoennZz
June 24th, 2011, 01:51 AM
Joining.
What are you? As in sort of Christian. Catholic, (like me), Protestant, etc...
I'm Catholic.

Stoney the Mewtwo
June 25th, 2011, 05:54 PM
I'll join.
I have been a christian since birth, but I don't know what type of christian I am...

poopnate
June 25th, 2011, 06:22 PM
I am not Christian, but I do enjoy Religious Debate. I don't want to join, but I might keep an eye on the thread if I get bored. I don't bash on Christians, but I WOULD like to have debates/discussion. Feel free to say no and I will go away.

Cartmic
June 26th, 2011, 12:29 AM
I'll join.
I have been a christian since birth, but I don't know what type of christian I am...

It is not my right to question your salvation, but does this mean that you personally accepted Jesus Christ into your life as soon as you left your mothers womb?

You're either a Christian or not a Christian, there aren’t different types.

FrostPheonix
June 27th, 2011, 10:49 PM
I am not Christian, but I do enjoy Religious Debate. I don't want to join, but I might keep an eye on the thread if I get bored. I don't bash on Christians, but I WOULD like to have debates/discussion. Feel free to say no and I will go away.

what i do in the atheists alliance ^^.

It is not my right to question your salvation, but does this mean that you personally accepted Jesus Christ into your life as soon as you left your mothers womb?

You're either a Christian or not a Christian, there aren’t different types.
lol, i think he means that he's christian ever since he can remember, and his parents taught him the doctrine of God. thats how it was for me, only i really accepted christ in middle school.

Missingno.7-4468
June 29th, 2011, 09:46 AM
Non-denominational Christian who prefers to go by the values set forth by the reformers themselves rather than any set by modern churches. Of course I'd like to join!

Anyway, I've been raised as a Christian my entire life, went through the whole doubt period at a rather early age (10-11, as opposed to the usual 14+). Been through a lot of "little miracles" myself, causing my faith to be that much stronger in our Lord and Savior ~

Stoney the Mewtwo
June 29th, 2011, 11:52 AM
lol, i think he means that he's christian ever since he can remember, and his parents taught him the doctrine of God. thats how it was for me, only i really accepted christ in middle school.

Like this dude said.
But I live with my GRANDparents, since my mom made some bad choices.
& I can't remember ever doubting the existence of God...

Evanlyn
June 30th, 2011, 08:46 PM
Hi,

I'd like to join aswell :)

I am a Catholic

Hassan_Abdillah
July 3rd, 2011, 12:35 AM
Why is this club so inactive??

FrostPheonix
July 3rd, 2011, 04:29 AM
Dunno why, guess people just dont know what to talk abt....

Also, what do you all think abt the rapture? is it soon? is it far off? i dont want a date, i just want a time period, like the next couple of years or something. I personally think that it might happen sometime around the next 20 years.

Missingno.7-4468
July 3rd, 2011, 06:02 PM
I personally dislike giving even rough estimates on the end of this world. I personally see that the signs are beginning, and it will be soon. "Soon" is, however, a rather objective term. It could happen tomorrow, it could happen in a hundred years, it could happen in a thousand years. Really, I would say that the best thing to do for now is to simply prepare for it.

Bluerang1
July 3rd, 2011, 06:17 PM
Join! Join! Join! Though I'm not baptized yet :)

God has been SOOOO amazing to me and my family, "chance" doesn't explain it :)

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Oh, no one posted after me. Anyway, I made a banner:http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/bluerang1/PCG.png

pokewalker
July 6th, 2011, 11:29 AM
Why is this club so inactive??

I guess that's because I haven't posted here for a while xD

I personally dislike giving even rough estimates on the end of this world. I personally see that the signs are beginning, and it will be soon. "Soon" is, however, a rather objective term. It could happen tomorrow, it could happen in a hundred years, it could happen in a thousand years. Really, I would say that the best thing to do for now is to simply prepare for it.

Yeah, although the end of the world is hard to think off...

Join! Join! Join! Though I'm not baptized yet :)

God has been SOOOO amazing to me and my family, "chance" doesn't explain it :)

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Oh, no one posted after me. Anyway, I made a banner:http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/bluerang1/PCG.png

That's awesome! The banner is in the thread now ^^

Sorry for being so inactive people, I was just lazy and stuff xD Anyways, I updated everything now! And a big welcome to the new members!

Tails05
July 6th, 2011, 06:54 PM
I would love to join!

By denomination, I'm a Baptist, but I don't really go by denomination that much.

God is so awesome! :D

pokewalker
July 7th, 2011, 04:02 AM
I would love to join!

By denomination, I'm a Baptist, but I don't really go by denomination that much.

God is so awesome! :D

I see a lot of Baptists around here! Thanks for joining, and je He is ^^

Ink Heart
July 12th, 2011, 04:19 AM
I would love to join as well, please. Haha. ^^

What are you?

I am a Catholic. \m/ Hehe.

--

I believe in God, but I also do believe in Mother Mary! :3

Åzurε
July 12th, 2011, 05:27 AM
I'm inclined to believe that the Rapture will occur within the next hundred years, but I'm unsure. All the Bible says is that "the Father alone knows the date and the time" and "Behold, I am coming soon" (hopefully those are exact quotes. :x). You just gotta remember that Jesus' soon has taken at least 2000 of our years, it's not much use trying to guess. It's much better to keep your guard up against the problems of this world so that when it happens, or doesn't within your lifetime, it's not something to fear for you.

FrostPheonix
August 12th, 2011, 01:04 AM
Wouldnt want this thread to be considered old. Dunno if the revival rule counts in this thread, but here is a quote just in case:
Do not post in threads that have not been posted in for more than a month. Taken from the rules. Its one month today, not more than one, so it should be alright.

I would expect it to be more active here, but oh well. Anyone reading, what do you think about aliens/sentient life outside of earth? Possible, impossible? C.S. Lewis's example in his space trilogy shows a way that it could be possible, but its impossible now that we have space tech and life in our solar system is disproved.... but what do you think? Sentient life outside of earth possible?

Evanlyn
August 12th, 2011, 01:14 AM
I would expect it to be more active here, but oh well. Anyone reading, what do you think about aliens/sentient life outside of earth? Possible, impossible? C.S. Lewis's example in his space trilogy shows a way that it could be possible, but its impossible now that we have space tech and life in our solar system is disproved.... but what do you think? Sentient life outside of earth possible?

I think that it might be possible for sentient life outside of Earth... just not very likely. I mean, why would God decide to make life on another planet, and why isn't it recorded anywhere in the Bible or anything?
But yeah.... it might be possible - maybe life is in another Galaxy, trillions and trillions of light years away. We haven't discovered the whole universe - so yes I'd say it is possible.

-ty-
August 12th, 2011, 07:28 AM
I'd like to join.

What do you guys think about homosexuality?

My personal belief is that the bible was written in a context 2000 years ago. What would it be like if the revelation were established in a modern sense? I think that Christians, have learned to look to their own relationship to God to arrive to great revelations. For instance, slavery. Slavery was very necessary for society to fumigation; therefore, the bible included verses like "slaves obey you masters, whether they be kind or cruel." So maybe it was the right thing to have that contract for labor back then in order for our society to progress. However, in the world we live in today, or even a few centuries back, the need for slaves has dwindled; we have created a moderately stable faith-based economy. In the 1850's, I believe that many Christians began contemplating the morality of slavery, and had a revelation of sorts to demolish it. So can the acceptance of gay people follow suit? Being homosexual 2000 years ago was not practical; society needed to procreate rapidly in order to survive. But as we have all seen; China and India are suffering from over-population. Also, millions of children are in need of parents. Think about, more and more we hear about gay people thriving; not only do they not procreate, but they also adopt children in need of homes. So homosexuality is also going through a modern revelation; it is VERY beneficial to have gay people in our society. Therefore, why not encourage gay couples to adopt children and establish marriages?

Cartmic
August 12th, 2011, 08:33 AM
I'd like to join.

What do you guys think about homosexuality?



This makes no sense. God created the way to the live presented within His Word, he did not base his word on the word and ways of man, so therefore if somehow his Word was written today it would be the same word that was written down back then. So therefore Homosexuality would still be regarded as sin. Rationalising that this act is right is like saying theft and murder are right because your town governor declares it legal, it's all a matter of authority, your earthly Kings or the Eternal King?

*Note I just want to get something straight(no pun intended) I was banned for a long time last time I mentioned Homosexuality on this forum, back then I was immature and didn't know Jesus and His Word as I do now, I do not hate Homosexuals I love them as I love my fellow brother in Christ, I just believe that Homosexuality it's self is sin, why? Because my Lord tells me so through his word and when it comes down it do sin is sin and we being fallen have to deal with our own personal issues everyday.

-ty-
August 12th, 2011, 06:56 PM
This makes no sense. God created the way to the live presented within His Word, he did not base his word on the word and ways of man, so therefore if somehow his Word was written today it would be the same word that was written down back then. So therefore Homosexuality would still be regarded as sin. Rationalising that this act is right is like saying theft and murder are right because your town governor declares it legal, it's all a matter of authority, your earthly Kings or the Eternal King?

*Note I just want to get something straight(no pun intended) I was banned for a long time last time I mentioned Homosexuality on this forum, back then I was immature and didn't know Jesus and His Word as I do now, I do not hate Homosexuals I love them as I love my fellow brother in Christ, I just believe that Homosexuality it's self is sin, why? Because my Lord tells me so through his word and when it comes down it do sin is sin and we being fallen have to deal with our own personal issues everyday.

I understand the reasoning; however, what about slavery? When black people refused to do as their owners said, was that a sin? "slaves obey your masters whether they be kind or cruel." I think that there is a bias in religious institutions.

Also, the New Testament does not say anything about homosexuality being a sin, and Christians follow the doctrines in the New Testament, not the old testament. There is one verse that states that is a sin for heterosexual men to commit adultery with other men. Note: Before jumping to a conclusion about a verse, look at it's previous wordings. The only other verse that refers to homosexuality being a sin in the New Testament is that "homosexuals" will not inherit the kingdom of God. The word translated to "homosexuals" in recent times, has been translated as "sexual perverts" in past texts. The alteration to homosexuality is a fairly new interpretation concocted by some churches. So, homosexuality is not a sin, nor is same sex marriage. The bible says the heterosexual marriage is wholesome, but it doesn't mean that same sex marriage is not wholesome. I think that religious institutions have too much power; they manipulate the religious text and their followers. A relationship with God should be personal, not what others tell you it should be.

metalheadtomboy
August 14th, 2011, 10:29 AM
Well I'm a christian sign me up.

Cartmic
August 15th, 2011, 04:57 AM
I understand the reasoning; however, what about slavery? When black people refused to do as their owners said, was that a sin? "slaves obey your masters whether they be kind or cruel." I think that there is a bias in religious institutions.


This this requires a bit more of lengthly reply which I'll post up as soon as it's finished.


Also, the New Testament does not say anything about homosexuality being a sin, and Christians follow the doctrines in the New Testament, not the old testament. There is one verse that states that is a sin for heterosexual men to commit adultery with other men. Note: Before jumping to a conclusion about a verse, look at it's previous wordings. The only other verse that refers to homosexuality being a sin in the New Testament is that "homosexuals" will not inherit the kingdom of God. The word translated to "homosexuals" in recent times, has been translated as "sexual perverts" in past texts. The alteration to homosexuality is a fairly new interpretation concocted by some churches. So, homosexuality is not a sin, nor is same sex marriage. The bible says the heterosexual marriage is wholesome, but it doesn't mean that same sex marriage is not wholesome. I think that religious institutions have too much power; they manipulate the religious text and their followers. A relationship with God should be personal, not what others tell you it should be.

Well there are a few more verses than one, the follwing scripture comes from the New King James Version.

Romans 1:21-27(Read all of this, but make note of verse 27)

21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

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1 Timothy 1:8–10

8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully,

9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,

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Now you mention that the word Homosexual has only been included in recent translations from my reading this seems correct, but the meaning is still the same.

The verse you mention is from 1 Corinthians 6:9 and in the 400 year old King James Version Homosexuals is written as effeminate.

1 Corinthians 6:9

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

And for good measure here's the New King James Version.

1 Corinthians 6:9

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,


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Taking this we have to look on what makes up Homosexuality in this modern day.

Dictionary.com defines it as this: 'sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex'

Now a homosexual might not go around acting effeminately, but having sexual desires for anything even toward a women when out of marriage between one man and one women, one would be committing lust of a sexual nature, which is addressed within Romans 1:21-27. The physical Sexual acts that are sometimes committed within Homosexual relationships would be defined as Sodomy which is addressed 1 Timothy 1:8–10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9.

-ty-
August 15th, 2011, 02:01 PM
Yes, homosexuals have desires for the same-sex. But the verse that you quoted states men whom are LEAVING the natural use of woman and then with men. Men who have natural desires for women and may be married or in a relationship with women are sleeping with men. This is adultery; Men whom have wives do not sleep with other men. That does not condemn homosexuals; where does it say that men whom sleep with other men naturally, cannot have sex with men? Some churches have put their own spin on the meaning, when it clearly does not state the latter. You have to take it for what is says.

Abusers of self with mankind would be a male prostitute. The homosexual version, is new, and manipulates the word of God, period. Jesus joins other ancient authorities in viewing the sins of the Sodomites as the abuse of strangers, neglecting the poor and needy, and the stigmatizing of outsiders. The bible never condemns homosexuals that are in committed relationships.

Those are the only verses? And none of them are conclusive.

JalordaSerpent
August 15th, 2011, 02:39 PM
I'll join!

What am I? I am a Methodist.

Cartmic
August 15th, 2011, 02:44 PM
[QUOTE=-ty-;6806008] The bible never condemns homosexuals that are in committed relationships.

Those are the only verses? And none of them are conclusive.[/QUOTE

Right before I post anymore I'd like to know two things,
1. Do you know the Bible well?
2. Do you love God?

-ty-
August 15th, 2011, 03:46 PM
I do not go to church often, because the priests are not God, and they often misinterpret the Bible, and do not understand much of the word origins. I don't like to think of my faith as a religion, but as a relationship with God. I do Bible study groups and individual studies. Those whom only attend church and do not read the Bible, study it's origins, and converse with others about their individualized perceptions are only getting a second-hand account of what the New Testament truly stands for. Beyond that, I do not think that I have the right to impose my views upon others through legal and societal means; everyone has the right to live their life the way the want to even if I would not follow the same lifestyle as them. You have to understand the that the Bible is 2000 years old, read it carefully and look up the various interpretations of the words. If you have taken a language study you will find that the word "sl*t" used to mean unkept man. As time progressed it became known as unkept woman, then something along the lines of a mistress, and then it transformed into woman that is promiscuous. Some words tend to become more derogatory and pejorative in meaning, but what was the meaning in a context 2000 years ago? Surely it is not identical. In that respect, I have learned about the meanings of certain words and phrases that are in the Bible that do not mean the same thing that they used to mean. Take Shakespeare for instance, his works were only written a few centuries ago, but the meanings of words are totally different from what they are now. Most individuals take on the bible with a superficial sense, they read, and take on a simplistic interpretation of the words, and they also are fueled by their predispositions to issues such as homosexuality. They were told it was wrong and then they read through the lines with preconceived notions.

bugbite250
August 15th, 2011, 10:58 PM
I want to join! :D I haven't been on this site in so many months, but I plan to be active again since I found this group! :D This really surprised me! :) I'm so glad there is Christian unity on the forums. ^__^ I'm a protestant Christian. Christianity is indeed a relationship with God. Not a religion. :)


God Bless All,

Timmy

FrostPheonix
August 17th, 2011, 01:00 AM
I'd like to join the discussion, but I won't bother quote any of those posts above. Too many to mention.

Homosexuality is in my opinion, immoral. The Bible clearly states that it is NOT accepted by God. I will not bother posting verses, because you should know this yourself (and I can't be bothered getting them.... soz). As to what you said b4, the Bible was NOT written only for the context of 2000 years ago! God is omniscient, meaning all knowing. He would have made the prophets write the Bible so that its meaning is clear all across the centuries. Also, homosexuality is NOT beneficial to society! It is gay people who spread HIV/AIDS the most, as well as other STDs. I have nothing against gay people, I just think that its a sin to be gay.

-ty-
August 17th, 2011, 10:02 AM
I'd like to join the discussion, but I won't bother quote any of those posts above. Too many to mention.

Homosexuality is in my opinion, immoral. The Bible clearly states that it is NOT accepted by God. I will not bother posting verses, because you should know this yourself (and I can't be bothered getting them.... soz). As to what you said b4, the Bible was NOT written only for the context of 2000 years ago! God is omniscient, meaning all knowing. He would have made the prophets write the Bible so that its meaning is clear all across the centuries. Also, homosexuality is NOT beneficial to society! It is gay people who spread HIV/AIDS the most, as well as other STDs. I have nothing against gay people, I just think that its a sin to be gay.

False; 90%+ of HIV/AIDS is contracted by heterosexual people (CDC), and it is false to say homosexuality is a sin in the new testament. Beyond that, all STD are spread more so by heterosexuals, but that is no reason to condemn them. Obviously we are over-populated, and there are millions of orphaned children in the world. The only reason why some gay people have been "promiscuous" is because they cannot get married. If you were told that you were sinful, god hated you, and that you could not be married, I find it less likely that you will settle down with one person. Also, the change of the meaning of words throughout time is undeniable, the word for sexually perverted has now been twisted into homosexual. Read the above posts about the verses that have been presumed otherwise. So if you read the bible word for word, you are likely to get a different interpretation than what it was written to be. That is why you need to study the origin of words, the alternate versions, previous versions, and the previous customs in order to understand the intents of a scripture written 2,000 years ago.

deoxys121
August 17th, 2011, 11:16 AM
Disregard my dropping out messages. I kind of got mad when I read some of the messages in here, but I'm over it. Anyway, here's some healthy debate on homosexuality:

FrostPhoenix: You say that you have nothing against gay people, yet at the same time you say it is immoral to be gay, and I guarantee any gay person who reads that would be offended. It also offends me because my best friend is gay and my aunt is a lesbian. I am not going to call them immoral and disown them simply because they're gay. I'm also not going to tell them "God doesn't like the way you are, you're going to Hell," because I don't believe that. Think about it: Do you really think God would condemn someone for having a natural attraction to the same sex which He gave them? I don't think so. And, yes, I do believe that God puts those types of attractions on us at birth. As I've been told before, God has a plan for everyone. Though no religious leader has told me this before (that's why I don't agree with any particular branch of Christianity), I believe that God's plan for those people is to attempt to change the views of those around them. What if you have a child in the future that turns out gay? I would hope that you would not condemn or disown them or try to "cure" them through a reform camp or therapy.

Also, your saying that HIV/AIDS is spread through more homosexuals... Well, just read -ty-'s post. While it was originally believed that HIV/AIDS was directly linked to being gay, it has since been proven false. I would think that it is spread equally among homosexuals as it is among heterosexuals.

And you saying they would not be beneficial to society: I can name one undeniable way they would be beneficial. There are countless orphaned children out there, and they need loving homes. Homosexual couples, or even single homosexual people, could provide the loving homes that these children desperately need. Also, just FYI, I think gays should be allowed to get married.

-ty-
August 17th, 2011, 11:58 AM
Disregard my dropping out messages. I kind of got mad when I read some of the messages in here, but I'm over it. Anyway, here's some healthy debate on homosexuality:

FrostPhoenix: You say that you have nothing against gay people, yet at the same time you say it is immoral to be gay, and I guarantee any gay person who reads that would be offended. It also offends me because my best friend is gay and my aunt is a lesbian. I am not going to call them immoral and disown them simply because they're gay. I'm also not going to tell them "God doesn't like the way you are, you're going to Hell," because I don't believe that. Think about it: Do you really think God would condemn someone for having a natural attraction to the same sex which He gave them? I don't think so. And, yes, I do believe that God puts those types of attractions on us at birth. As I've been told before, God has a plan for everyone. Though no religious leader has told me this before (that's why I don't agree with any particular branch of Christianity), I believe that God's plan for those people is to attempt to change the views of those around them. What if you have a child in the future that turns out gay? I would hope that you would not condemn or disown them or try to "cure" them through a reform camp or therapy.

Also, your saying that HIV/AIDS is spread through more homosexuals... Well, just read -ty-'s post. While it was originally believed that HIV/AIDS was directly linked to being gay, it has since been proven false. I would think that it is spread equally among homosexuals as it is among heterosexuals.

And you saying they would not be beneficial to society: I can name one undeniable way they would be beneficial. There are countless orphaned children out there, and they need loving homes. Homosexual couples, or even single homosexual people, could provide the loving homes that these children desperately need. Also, just FYI, I think gays should be allowed to get married.

I know what you mean. It is one thing to disagree, but his comment was... a bit over the top, to say the least. It is interesting what you say about having friends and relatives that are gay; according to Gallup polls, the more gay people that are in your life, the more likely you are to support gay rights if you are heterosexual. Therefore, I think many people who are against gay rights do a lot of stereotyping, because they are not close enough to a gay person to actually realize that most of them are just like heterosexual people, except for the fact that they are attracted to the same gender; gay people are painfully normal, lol. I was about to go on a big angry rant myself, but I too realized it is not productive and not worth my time.

Basically, God makes gays. God doesn't condemn his creations for being created, unless he is condemning himself. lol.

deoxys121
August 18th, 2011, 10:21 AM
Since this previous discussion seems to have died, I'm going to ask a question to the group.

What is your opinion of the fact that there are so many different denominations of Christianity? Do you think there is one denomination that is the "correct" denomination? Or do you think that denominations don't matter and all that matters is that you have accepted Christ as your Lord and Savior and have a relationship with God?

I personally believe that all these denominations are actually somewhat ridiculous, especially in the sense that if you, for example, put a Catholic priest and a Protestant priest in the same room, they will never come to an agreement. Like I said before, I'm non-denominational. All that matters is that I have accepted Christ as my Lord and Savior, and that I have a relationship with God.

-ty-
August 18th, 2011, 05:33 PM
What is your opinion of the fact that there are so many different denominations of Christianity? Do you think there is one denomination that is the "correct" denomination? Or do you think that denominations don't matter and all that matters is that you have accepted Christ as your Lord and Savior and have a relationship with God?

I just see denomenations as residual institutions formed to garner more power over another denomination. Think about it. Especially a few centuries ago, the churches played a major role in government and society; whomever had the most followers had the most power to tell others what is right and what is wrong. It's a common belief among Mormons that their denomination is the only one that will find salvation. You can see how the original followers feared damnation and became Mormons. I do not want to single out one sect, because this is a common occurrence among the many denominations. That is why I love God, just not the institutions with convoluted messages. I am not saying it is bad to be a part of a congregation, I am simply saying the fight for power among the different sects is kinda sacrilegious. So no, I think that it doesn't really matter what sect you choose to be affiliated with as long as you live your life upholding morals and being considerate of others.

FrostPheonix
August 20th, 2011, 05:39 PM
In my opinion, denominations are bringing us farther apart. Jesus wanted christians to be united, instead we are using christianity itself to drive ourselves farther apart. All of the denominations have good parts and bad parts, we have to decide ourselves what is the truth. And generally, you know when you made the right decision. Or if you made the wrong decision.

-ty-
August 20th, 2011, 07:34 PM
In my opinion, denominations are bringing us farther apart. Jesus wanted christians to be united, instead we are using christianity itself to drive ourselves farther apart. All of the denominations have good parts and bad parts, we have to decide ourselves what is the truth. And generally, you know when you made the right decision. Or if you made the wrong decision.

A agree for the most part. I think that people truly believe that they are "right". But what happens when two different groups have fundamental differences in ideology, and they both believe that they are correct? Whose to say which one is right, and which one is wrong? But yes, even if we have some dissenting opinions and interpretations we should not segregate our selves into different groups.

FrostPheonix
August 22nd, 2011, 12:18 AM
What I meant with deciding what is true for yourselves is by reading the Bible and growing in your relationship with God. You generally know by the holy spirit if what you decided is what God wants.

The Author
October 14th, 2011, 04:36 PM
May I join?
I'm non-denominational. ;)

What do you guys think about homosexuality?

My personal belief is that the bible was written in a context 2000 years ago. What would it be like if the revelation were established in a modern sense? I think that Christians, have learned to look to their own relationship to God to arrive to great revelations. For instance, slavery. Slavery was very necessary for society to fumigation; therefore, the bible included verses like "slaves obey you masters, whether they be kind or cruel." So maybe it was the right thing to have that contract for labor back then in order for our society to progress. However, in the world we live in today, or even a few centuries back, the need for slaves has dwindled; we have created a moderately stable faith-based economy. In the 1850's, I believe that many Christians began contemplating the morality of slavery, and had a revelation of sorts to demolish it. So can the acceptance of gay people follow suit? Being homosexual 2000 years ago was not practical; society needed to procreate rapidly in order to survive. But as we have all seen; China and India are suffering from over-population. Also, millions of children are in need of parents. Think about, more and more we hear about gay people thriving; not only do they not procreate, but they also adopt children in need of homes. So homosexuality is also going through a modern revelation; it is VERY beneficial to have gay people in our society. Therefore, why not encourage gay couples to adopt children and establish marriages?

To be 100% honest, I'm against homosexuality. But that doesn't mean that they should be denied their rights! Yeah, sure, they're gay. BUT THEY'RE HUMAN‼ The only right that I believe should be taken away is marriage. Should one not be allowed to adopt a child just because they lied when they were six? No! So why shouldn't a gay couple be allowed to adopt?

I feel it's wrong for a man and a man or a woman and a woman to be together because that's not how God designed us. God designed marriage to be an act of being together with Him in creation. Homosexual couples don't, er, create.

I know homosexuality is a touchy subject, so I'm terribly sorry if I ever sound blunt.

Alternative
October 14th, 2011, 05:42 PM
The rules state that you're not allowed to revive threads with no posts over a month old, since they are considered dead. Please do not do this again.

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