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Forever
February 15th, 2012, 10:30 PM
Nah air balloon Heatran is great to switch in ON ANOTHER HEATRAN once you've already broken it. Funny thing is, people keep their opposing Heatran's in lool. But yeah that's about the only use and the only reason I keep it on Heatran tbh.

Also what makes PC's server so appealing to hack? Like... it's not like there's anything special there, lol. Taking Smogon sure that'd have big issues for some, but PC's, really, lol. ;x

Yoshikkko
February 16th, 2012, 04:15 AM
Ye agree with Nica here, balloon Heatran is great and especially against another Heatran.

Overlord Drakow
February 16th, 2012, 04:21 AM
I dislike Balloontran so much. It's like wtf my Dragon / Fire or Dragon / Ground combinations are USELESS AGAINST IT.

Forever
February 16th, 2012, 04:27 AM
See, it has a use. To destroy Drakow. Therefore we must continue using it... otherwise Drakow will take over CBC AND THEN THE WORLD? lol.

tbh you should go for other combinations, AKA DO THAT RAIN TEAM. D<

Overlord Drakow
February 16th, 2012, 04:36 AM
See, it has a use. To destroy Drakow. Therefore we must continue using it... otherwise Drakow will take over CBC AND THEN THE WORLD? lol.

tbh you should go for other combinations, AKA DO THAT RAIN TEAM. D<

I like sticking to my one thing though. It's just the way I am.

Musica
February 16th, 2012, 06:19 AM
Air Balloon Heatran? It still gets beaten easily, imho. Yes it is a great switch against most of the Pokemon bearing EQ/Earth Power, but it can't be strong, fast nor regenerative enough like Specs, Scarf, or Calm Tran respectively. I still say Specs for Heatran or Sp.Defensive one.

Exile
February 16th, 2012, 12:53 PM
man BP really needs to be banned complex with espeon, it's such an easy way to win, it's ridiculous, that and some gay hax just knocked me off of #1 on necturna playtest leaderboard. Genuine bs

Overlord Drakow
February 16th, 2012, 03:52 PM
Dude. I read BP as bullet punch at first and I was like how the hell does Scizor and Espeon wreck the meta together lmao. I thought maybe it was like Scizor U-turning into Espeon as the opponent sets Stealth Rock or something looooool but then I was like why would he say bullet punch then? I got there in the end man >_>

Baton pass is very frustrating to deal with. It's pretty much an all or nothing concept as far as I am aware though. Like the few times I faced off against it, if I could break the chain once, I would win pretty easily. Otherwise I would lose ¬____¬

The Void
February 16th, 2012, 04:40 PM
Nah air balloon Heatran is great to switch in ON ANOTHER HEATRAN once you've already broken it. Funny thing is, people keep their opposing Heatran's in lool. But yeah that's about the only use and the only reason I keep it on Heatran tbh.

Why would you use Air Balloon tran against another Air Balloon tran with almost the same moveset...? Earthquake won't be any use thanks to Air Balloon so I can't imagine who would be "smart" enough to do that....

See, it has a use. To destroy Drakow. Therefore we must continue using it... otherwise Drakow will take over CBC AND THEN THE WORLD? lol.

tbh you should go for other combinations, AKA DO THAT RAIN TEAM. D<

Ok, next time I fight Drakow, Imma sure to use Air Balloon tran!! MWAHAHAHA!!! Thanks for the tip :P

Dude. I read BP as bullet punch at first and I was like how the hell does Scizor and Espeon wreck the meta together lmao. I thought maybe it was like Scizor U-turning into Espeon as the opponent sets Stealth Rock or something looooool but then I was like why would he say bullet punch then? I got there in the end man >_>

Baton pass is very frustrating to deal with. It's pretty much an all or nothing concept as far as I am aware though. Like the few times I faced off against it, if I could break the chain once, I would win pretty easily. Otherwise I would lose ¬____¬

And no one even considers Shedinja for times like these... T.T
But seriously though, you should have at least one Pokemon with Pursuit... xD

Forever
February 16th, 2012, 05:24 PM
Well the point is to switch it in on something you're sure they'll use fire blast or flamethrower on, after you've broken their balloon. Then with the boosted fire blast, you keep that and use earth power (not eq) and they can do nothing but hidden power you and at that point you just use earth power and win :3

Dark Azelf
February 16th, 2012, 05:47 PM
Pursuit fails against Baton Pass Espeon, Baton Pass bypasses it and you hit the incoming Pokemon and then get further set up on @ chain.

@ Karp im assuming you use stall ? Perish Song, Haze, having more than one phazer (Roar + Dragon Tail is awesome for thos alone)or ghost type Curse really should be a staple on them. This is why im so very rigid with my stall team structure to avoid bs like that lol

Exile
February 16th, 2012, 05:51 PM
Pursuit fails against Baton Pass Espeon, Baton Pass bypasses it and you hit the incoming Pokemon and then get further set up on @ chain.

@ Karp im assuming you use stall ? Perish Song, Haze, having more than one phazer (Roar + Dragon Tail is awesome for thos alone)or ghost type Curse really should be a staple on them. This is why im so very rigid with my stall team structure to avoid bs like that lol

Can't fit on any of those, sadly. Roar doesn't work, though. Necturna is really more of a burden than a help, since it needs Recover as its SKetch move. I might try Roar TTar though since there are no Reuniclus anyways.

The Void
February 16th, 2012, 08:28 PM
What do you mean Baton Pass bypasses Pursuit? I remember using an Espeon against Gengar or Tyranitar... since my Esp couldn't do much, I tried to switch with Baton Pass, but my Esp was pawned from full hp to none -_-''

Embarrassing moment, really...

But if you insist Pursuit still doesn't work, then why not use someone like... SHEDINJA?? ;)

Be sure to teach it Final Gambit...

Dark Azelf
February 16th, 2012, 08:32 PM
What do you mean Baton Pass bypasses Pursuit? I remember using an Espeon against Gengar or Tyranitar... since my Esp couldn't do much, I tried to switch with Baton Pass, but my Esp was pawned from full hp to none -_-''

Embarrassing moment, really...

But if you insist Pursuit still doesn't work, then why not use someone like... SHEDINJA?? ;)

Be sure to teach it Final Gambit...

I like winning ? ;D trollol

The Void
February 16th, 2012, 08:36 PM
I like winning ? ;D trollol

Have you even TRIED using Pursuit on a Baton Passing Esp?

Oh, and nica:

Well the point is to switch it in on something you're sure they'll use fire blast or flamethrower on, after you've broken their balloon. Then with the boosted fire blast, you keep that and use earth power (not eq) and they can do nothing but hidden power you and at that point you just use earth power and win :3

Aaaanddd what if your opponent has the same strat with his tran?

Dark Azelf
February 16th, 2012, 08:40 PM
Have you even TRIED using Pursuit on a Baton Passing Esp?

Yep it hits the receiver. The only time it will hit you is if the Pursuiter is faster (40 BP). So Tyraitar example you gave was prolly a ScarfTar.

Only U-Turn/Volt Switch are effected by doubly powered Pursuit in regards to "switching" moves.

The Void
February 16th, 2012, 09:00 PM
Only U-Turn/Volt Switch are effected by doubly powered Pursuit in regards to "switching" moves.

Then that Gengar/Tar must have a heck lot of Atk to put my Esp's HP all the way down with Pursuit -_-''

Forever
February 16th, 2012, 09:01 PM
Aaaanddd what if your opponent has the same strat with his tran?

They can't if you popped their balloon on a previous turn which is what I mentioned like FIVE TIMES. :(

Dark Azelf
February 16th, 2012, 09:12 PM
Then that Gengar/Tar must have a heck lot of Atk to put my Esp's HP all the way down with Pursuit -_-''

Gengar doesn't get Pursuit, unless you mistakenly mean Shadow Ball ? But yes unboosted ScarfTars Pursuit does ~90% to Espeon not switching out.

Forever
February 16th, 2012, 09:23 PM
OR PERHAPS he means another Pokemon all together? Either that or he's really unlucky w/ speed tie if it happens often @ shadow ball, lol ;x

Vrai
February 17th, 2012, 03:57 AM
Also what makes PC's server so appealing to hack? Like... it's not like there's anything special there, lol. Taking Smogon sure that'd have big issues for some, but PC's, really, lol. ;x

It's no different than any other server. People do it because they think it's fun, regardless of the impact. ;(

Forever
February 17th, 2012, 04:08 AM
Nahhh, crazies who think that's fun are crazies! Instead they should join the server as normal people and become better battles imo - that's more fun! Well, assuming they're not mega-great players but I doubt the greatest players would spend their time hacking and rather spending that time improving themselves, lol.

Kittyipawd
February 17th, 2012, 07:07 AM
I love playing on cap server on pokemon showdown.

Dark Azelf
February 17th, 2012, 03:04 PM
OK GUYS, SERVER IS BACK UPPPPPPPP :)

The Void
February 17th, 2012, 04:33 PM
I ALMOST BEAT DA!!!
:D :D

He beat me 2-0 xD

Battle between dragon456 and Dark Azelf started!

Rule: Unrated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Freeze Clause
Rule: No Timeout
Rule: Species Clause
Rule: Wifi Battle
Rule: Self-KO Clause

Your team: Kyogre / Darkrai / Shedinja / Mewtwo / Espeon / Shaymin
Opponent's team: Skarmory / Heatran / Gastrodon / Salamence / Tentacruel / Cofagrigus

dragon456 sent out Mewtwo!
Dark Azelf sent out Salamence!
Mewtwo is exerting its Pressure!
Dark Azelf's Salamence intimidates Mewtwo!
Mewtwo's Attack fell!

Start of turn 1
Dark Azelf called Salamence back!
Dark Azelf sent out Cofagrigus!

Mewtwo used Ice Beam!
Dark Azelf's Cofagrigus lost 37% of its health!

Start of turn 2
dragon456 called Mewtwo back!
dragon456 sent out Shedinja!

Dark Azelf's Cofagrigus used Shadow Ball!
It's super effective!
Shedinja hung on using its Focus Sash!
Shedinja lost 0 HP! (0% of its health)

Start of turn 3
Shedinja used Shadow Claw!
It's super effective!
Dark Azelf's Cofagrigus lost 37% of its health!
Shedinja's ability became Mummy!

Dark Azelf's Cofagrigus used Shadow Ball!
It's super effective!
Shedinja lost 1 HP! (100% of its health)
Shedinja fainted!

dragon456 sent out Mewtwo!

Mewtwo is exerting its Pressure!

Start of turn 4
Dark Azelf called Cofagrigus back!
Dark Azelf sent out Heatran!

Mewtwo used Ice Beam!
It's not very effective...
Dark Azelf's Heatran lost 6% of its health!

Dark Azelf's Heatran restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 5
Mewtwo used Aura Sphere!
It's super effective!
Dark Azelf's Heatran lost 50% of its health!

Dark Azelf's Heatran used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around dragon456's team!

Dark Azelf's Heatran restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 6
Dark Azelf's Heatran used Protect!
Dark Azelf's Heatran protected itself!

Mewtwo used Aura Sphere!
Dark Azelf's Heatran protected itself!

Dark Azelf's Heatran restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 7
Mewtwo used Aura Sphere!
It's super effective!
Dark Azelf's Heatran lost 51% of its health!

Dark Azelf's Heatran used Lava Plume!
Mewtwo lost 124 HP! (35% of its health)

Dark Azelf's Heatran restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 8
Dark Azelf's Heatran used Protect!
Dark Azelf's Heatran protected itself!

Mewtwo used Grass Knot!
Dark Azelf's Heatran protected itself!

Dark Azelf's Heatran restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 9
Mewtwo used Aura Sphere!
It's super effective!
Dark Azelf's Heatran lost 22% of its health!
Dark Azelf's Heatran fainted!

Dark Azelf sent out Gastrodon!

Start of turn 10
Mewtwo used Grass Knot!
It's super effective!
Dark Azelf's Gastrodon lost 65% of its health!

Dark Azelf's Gastrodon used Scald!
Mewtwo lost 97 HP! (27% of its health)

Dark Azelf's Gastrodon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 11
Dark Azelf called Gastrodon back!
Dark Azelf sent out Cofagrigus!

Mewtwo used Grass Knot!
Dark Azelf's Cofagrigus lost 25% of its health!
Dark Azelf's Cofagrigus fainted!
Mewtwo's ability became Mummy!

Dark Azelf sent out Skarmory!

Start of turn 12
Mewtwo used Flamethrower!
It's super effective!
Dark Azelf's Skarmory lost 84% of its health!

Dark Azelf's Skarmory used Whirlwind!
Pointed stones dug into Kyogre!
Kyogre was dragged out!
Kyogre's Drizzle made it rain!

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 13
Dark Azelf called Skarmory back!
Dark Azelf sent out Tentacruel!

Kyogre used Thunder!
It's super effective!
Dark Azelf's Tentacruel lost 100% of its health!
Dark Azelf's Tentacruel fainted!

Rain continues to fall!
Dark Azelf sent out Gastrodon!

Start of turn 14
dragon456 called Kyogre back!
dragon456 sent out Espeon!
Pointed stones dug into Espeon!

Dark Azelf's Gastrodon used Scald!
Espeon lost 139 HP! (41% of its health)

Rain continues to fall!
Espeon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Dark Azelf's Gastrodon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 15
Espeon used Substitute!
Espeon made a substitute!

Dark Azelf's Gastrodon used Recover!
Dark Azelf's Gastrodon regained health!

Rain continues to fall!
Espeon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Dark Azelf's Gastrodon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 16
Espeon used Calm Mind!
Espeon's Sp. Att. rose!
Espeon's Sp. Def. rose!

Dark Azelf's Gastrodon used Scald!
Espeon's substitute faded!

Rain continues to fall!
Espeon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 17
Espeon used Substitute!
Espeon made a substitute!

Dark Azelf's Gastrodon used Scald!
Espeon's substitute faded!

Rain continues to fall!
Espeon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 18
Espeon used Calm Mind!
Espeon's Sp. Att. rose!
Espeon's Sp. Def. rose!

Dark Azelf's Gastrodon used Scald!
Espeon lost 68 HP! (20% of its health)
Espeon fainted!

Rain continues to fall!
dragon456 sent out Shaymin!
Pointed stones dug into Shaymin!

Start of turn 19
Dark Azelf called Gastrodon back!
Dark Azelf sent out Salamence!

Dark Azelf's Salamence intimidates Shaymin!
Shaymin's Attack fell!
Shaymin used Seed Flare!
It's not very effective...
Dark Azelf's Salamence lost 16% of its health!
Shaymin is hurt by its Life Orb!

Rain continues to fall!
Dark Azelf's Salamence restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 20
dragon456 called Shaymin back!
dragon456 sent out Darkrai!
Pointed stones dug into Darkrai!

Dark Azelf's Salamence used Wish!

Rain continues to fall!
Dark Azelf's Salamence restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 21
Dark Azelf called Salamence back!
Dark Azelf sent out Skarmory!

Darkrai used Dark Void!
Dark Azelf's Skarmory fell asleep!

Rain continues to fall!
Salamence's wish came true!
Dark Azelf's Skarmory has bad dreams!

Start of turn 22
Dark Azelf called Skarmory back!
Dark Azelf sent out Gastrodon!

Darkrai used Focus Blast!
The attack of Darkrai missed!

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 23
Darkrai used Focus Blast!
Dark Azelf's Gastrodon lost 29% of its health!

Dark Azelf's Gastrodon used Scald!
Darkrai lost 141 HP! (50% of its health)

Rain continues to fall!
Dark Azelf's Gastrodon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 24
Darkrai used Dark Pulse!
Dark Azelf's Gastrodon lost 26% of its health!

Dark Azelf's Gastrodon used Recover!
Dark Azelf's Gastrodon regained health!

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 25
dragon456 called Darkrai back!
dragon456 sent out Shaymin!
Pointed stones dug into Shaymin!

Dark Azelf's Gastrodon used Scald!
It's not very effective...
Shaymin lost 65 HP! (19% of its health)

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 26
Dark Azelf called Gastrodon back!
Dark Azelf sent out Salamence!

Dark Azelf's Salamence intimidates Shaymin!
Shaymin's Attack fell!
Shaymin used Seed Flare!
It's not very effective...
Dark Azelf's Salamence lost 16% of its health!
Shaymin is hurt by its Life Orb!

Rain continues to fall!
Dark Azelf's Salamence restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 27
Shaymin used Synthesis!
Shaymin regained health!

Dark Azelf's Salamence used Wish!

Rain continues to fall!
Dark Azelf's Salamence restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 28
dragon456 called Shaymin back!
dragon456 sent out Darkrai!
Pointed stones dug into Darkrai!

Dark Azelf's Salamence used Toxic!
Darkrai was badly poisoned!

Rain continues to fall!
Salamence's wish came true!
Darkrai is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 29
Dark Azelf's Salamence used Protect!
Dark Azelf's Salamence protected itself!

Darkrai used Dark Pulse!
Dark Azelf's Salamence protected itself!

Rain continues to fall!
Darkrai is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 30
Darkrai used Taunt!
Dark Azelf's Salamence fell for the taunt!

Dark Azelf's Salamence can't use Wish after the taunt!

Rain continues to fall!
Darkrai is hurt by poison!
Darkrai fainted!
dragon456 sent out Kyogre!
Pointed stones dug into Kyogre!

Start of turn 31
Dark Azelf called Salamence back!
Dark Azelf sent out Gastrodon!

Kyogre used Water Spout!
Dark Azelf's Gastrodon's Storm Drain raised its special attack!

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 32
dragon456 called Kyogre back!
dragon456 sent out Shaymin!
Pointed stones dug into Shaymin!

Dark Azelf's Gastrodon used Scald!
It's not very effective...
Shaymin lost 96 HP! (28% of its health)
Shaymin was burned!

Rain continues to fall!
Shaymin is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 33
Dark Azelf called Gastrodon back!
Dark Azelf sent out Salamence!

Dark Azelf's Salamence intimidates Shaymin!
Shaymin's Attack fell!
Shaymin used Synthesis!
Shaymin regained health!

Rain continues to fall!
Shaymin is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 34
dragon456 called Shaymin back!
dragon456 sent out Kyogre!
Pointed stones dug into Kyogre!

Dark Azelf's Salamence used Wish!

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 35
Dark Azelf called Salamence back!
Dark Azelf sent out Gastrodon!

Kyogre used Ice Beam!
Dark Azelf's Gastrodon lost 39% of its health!

Rain continues to fall!
Salamence's wish came true!

Start of turn 36
Kyogre used Ice Beam!
A critical hit!
Dark Azelf's Gastrodon lost 68% of its health!

Dark Azelf's Gastrodon used Toxic!
Kyogre was badly poisoned!

Rain continues to fall!
Dark Azelf's Gastrodon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Kyogre is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 37
Kyogre used Ice Beam!
Dark Azelf's Gastrodon lost 34% of its health!

Dark Azelf's Gastrodon used Recover!
Dark Azelf's Gastrodon regained health!

Rain continues to fall!
Dark Azelf's Gastrodon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Kyogre is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 38
Kyogre used Ice Beam!
Dark Azelf's Gastrodon lost 39% of its health!

Dark Azelf's Gastrodon used Recover!
Dark Azelf's Gastrodon regained health!

Rain continues to fall!
Dark Azelf's Gastrodon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Kyogre is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 39
dragon456 called Kyogre back!
dragon456 sent out Shaymin!
Pointed stones dug into Shaymin!

Dark Azelf's Gastrodon used Recover!
Dark Azelf's Gastrodon regained health!

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 40
dragon456 called Shaymin back!
dragon456 sent out Kyogre!
Pointed stones dug into Kyogre!

Dark Azelf called Gastrodon back!
Dark Azelf sent out Salamence!

Dark Azelf's Salamence intimidates Kyogre!
Kyogre's Attack fell!
Rain continues to fall!
Kyogre is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 41
Dark Azelf's Salamence used Protect!
Dark Azelf's Salamence protected itself!

Kyogre used Ice Beam!
Dark Azelf's Salamence protected itself!

Rain continues to fall!
Kyogre is hurt by poison!
Kyogre fainted!
dragon456 sent out Mewtwo!
Pointed stones dug into Mewtwo!

Mewtwo is exerting its Pressure!

Start of turn 42
Mewtwo used Ice Beam!
It's super effective!
Dark Azelf's Salamence lost 100% of its health!
Dark Azelf's Salamence fainted!

Rain continues to fall!
Dark Azelf sent out Gastrodon!

Start of turn 43
Mewtwo used Grass Knot!
It's super effective!
Dark Azelf's Gastrodon lost 63% of its health!

Dark Azelf's Gastrodon used Scald!
Mewtwo lost 89 HP! (25% of its health)
Mewtwo fainted!

Rain continues to fall!
Dark Azelf's Gastrodon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
dragon456 sent out Shaymin!
Pointed stones dug into Shaymin!
Shaymin fainted!

Dark Azelf won the battle!
Dark Azelf: GG
dragon456: Hmph. I was going easy on you.

But then again, he was using OU against my ubers, so I'm not sure if this is gonna count lol >.<

Forever
February 18th, 2012, 02:20 AM
All those logs prove is that Shedinja is still terrible to use. :3

Oh yeah I was meant to be working on a Keldeo team today and I didn't... oh well!

Perrie ✿
February 18th, 2012, 02:34 AM
why are you using shedinja, dragon?? it's really terrible and just terrible, ngl.

i haven't battled in a while... my uu team is getting kinda boring and since i no longer have a love for relicanth it can suck it. :< i need a theme ideas plz.

Forever
February 18th, 2012, 02:52 AM
You should make a team based around Keldeo too tbh dragonomega. In fact, everyone should prepare for its arrival.

On that note, all done w/ team making!

Yoshikkko
February 18th, 2012, 07:18 AM
Not if Keldeo is gonna go to ubers, which it is. I hope.

Kittyipawd
February 18th, 2012, 07:42 AM
why are you using shedinja, dragon?? it's really terrible and just terrible, ngl.

i haven't battled in a while... my uu team is getting kinda boring and since i no longer have a love for relicanth it can suck it. :< i need a theme ideas plz.

It isn't terrible. His skills are terrible for sending it in on a ghost who usally has mono ghost attacking sets lmao.

XEL
February 18th, 2012, 07:54 AM
Not if Keldeo is gonna go to ubers, which it is. I hope.

All those horses/ponies should die :)


aaaand, once again, after experimenting with strategic teams, I have gone back to using HO :P

Forever
February 18th, 2012, 08:00 AM
Yeah me too, it's hard for me to have a non-HO team. ;x

ALSO NO KILLING KELDEO. IT'S PERFECTION.

XEL
February 18th, 2012, 04:47 PM
Hahaha. I just can't play in any style other than hyper offensive. No matter what I do. Even if I'm defending, I wanna make sure I'm doing it offensively to put pressure on the opponent. I suck at the prediction game. and I find the defensive game to be of too slow a pace for my enjoyment.

and No. I just don't like the trio+Keldeo this gen. Their designs and history just seem gimmicky. Like wannabe Legendary Beasts. To be honest, I feel like Unova just used Johto as a template for legendaries lol. 2 powerful, but not overly powerful legendaries (Cannon wise, at least. We all know Ho-Oh and Lugia are behemoths). and Then 3.. things which were involved with a disaster in ancient times.

PokeRaidenFighter350Z
February 18th, 2012, 11:05 PM
Hahaha. I just can't play in any style other than hyper offensive. No matter what I do. Even if I'm defending, I wanna make sure I'm doing it offensively to put pressure on the opponent. I suck at the prediction game. and I find the defensive game to be of too slow a pace for my enjoyment.


You're just like me. I like to go all-out to have a quick fun battle. Being defensive may be slow but utilize those skills right and you may find yourself victorious. I have a few Pokemon that have Defensive-tactic moves but I don't use them as much.

Tachikaze
February 18th, 2012, 11:24 PM
Hyper Offense is probably the most fun, at least I think so. I don't have the patience for good stall. XD

Forever
February 19th, 2012, 01:39 AM
Nah XEL, you're jealous of their power imo!

I only recall trying stall a few times and I just found it so boring really, idk I don't like the idea of stalling and I'd rather attack straight out w/ power. At first (being like June-ish last year) I was like "omg stall looks awesome I WANNA PLAY STALL" ... yeah, lol. ;x

Musica
February 19th, 2012, 05:36 AM
Should I prefer Cofagrigus (Specially Defensive type) than Eviolite Dusclops (Defensive)? I got two more defensive Pokemons (excluding Dusclops). Or please suggest a Specially Defensive Pokemon for UU Tier. :) (excluding Deoxys-D, coz I'm building a Wi-Fi team.)

Yoshikkko
February 19th, 2012, 05:44 AM
Stall all the way for me. I LOVE stall. I don't mine sweepers but stalling and tanking and walling is just it for me haha.

Musica
February 19th, 2012, 06:50 AM
Yes, I love Strolling too, but I need a Specially Defensive one. o.o

Overlord Drakow
February 19th, 2012, 08:08 AM
Yes, I love Strolling too, but I need a Specially Defensive one. o.o

Chansey / Blissey?

Anyway, I'm with Xel on this one. Aggressive play all the way.

Musica
February 19th, 2012, 08:27 AM
Yep, have used them in OU. I was looking for UU this time. Mismagius was the first one I used but still lacked synergy with my team (although it went well with some battles), I'm trying to look for alternatives.

XEL
February 19th, 2012, 10:41 AM
Dear Server,

Again?! Seriously?!


On topic, I like offensive strategies more because of the risk taking factor. I like playing chicken and seeing if I'm stubborn enough to outplay the opponent. My style embodies high risk high reward haha. With defensive teams such as stall, I feel like it almost completely removes the risk-taking portion. There's still some risk but if you fail, its easier to play around it. It also means the battle drags on. Which in turn means your opponent gets better at reading you. I don't like battles that last beyond 30 turns, pretty much :P

Forever
February 21st, 2012, 04:37 AM
Yeah long battles are boring tbh. Besides it's totally in the spirit of Pokemon to have quick battles, considering that in-game teams are almost always offensive and never stall (who would play stall in-game against trainers, really lool). Totally the way battles are meant to be done. :)

EDIT: HEY GUYS "/ME" IS BACK AT THE SERVER. I FELT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW ABOUT THIS GREAT NEWS!

Perrie ✿
February 25th, 2012, 12:48 PM
It isn't terrible. His skills are terrible for sending it in on a ghost who usally has mono ghost attacking sets lmao.

No, no. Shedinja is just terrible. Fire, Rock, Flying, Dark and Ghost types are all common now. And not to mention Stealth Rock. Any hit from those and Shedinja is gone. Kinda bad calling his skills terrible. ):

So I finally got around to building an OU team which has been working pretty good. Why is CB Mamo so good???

shnen
March 2nd, 2012, 10:08 AM
Mm, I agree, CB Mamo is great due to the sheer amount of things that it's fantastic Dual-STAB hits; letting him get rid of some of the predominant threats easily: Tyranitar, Dragonite, Gliscor, Landorus, Flygon and many more all fall to him; and many things find it hard to switch in. I always end up making Mamoswine weak teams, I'm just lucky it isn't used much more.

deoxys121
March 2nd, 2012, 11:28 AM
Back on the topic of Keldeo: I don't think Keldeo would end up in ubers. While it has excellent stats to be a great Special Sweeper, especially with access to Calm Mind, it has an extremely limited special movepool. Perhaps OU will be his ultimate resting place.

Perrie ✿
March 2nd, 2012, 01:24 PM
Back on the topic of Keldeo: I don't think Keldeo would end up in ubers. While it has excellent stats to be a great Special Sweeper, especially with access to Calm Mind, it has an extremely limited special movepool. Perhaps OU will be his ultimate resting place.

It's movepool may not be enough to hold it back tbh. Look at Manaphy, it doesn't have a huge movepool and yet it's in ubers. But that's mostly because of Tail Glow and such, but still. A few uber Pokemon have low movepools but still manage to be destructive, the same may go for Keldeo.

Vrai
March 2nd, 2012, 01:45 PM
Mm, I agree, CB Mamo is great due to the sheer amount of things that it's fantastic Dual-STAB hits; letting him get rid of some of the predominant threats easily: Tyranitar, Dragonite, Gliscor, Landorus, Flygon and many more all fall to him; and many things find it hard to switch in. I always end up making Mamoswine weak teams, I'm just lucky it isn't used much more.



No, no. Shedinja is just terrible. Fire, Rock, Flying, Dark and Ghost types are all common now. And not to mention Stealth Rock. Any hit from those and Shedinja is gone. Kinda bad calling his skills terrible. ):

So I finally got around to building an OU team which has been working pretty good. Why is CB Mamo so good???

icicle plate mamo > cb

you get that surprise factor and people always always expect it to be choiced, so it nets at least one KO a game by being amazing in the first place and another by KOing a pokemon that they thought resisted your choice-locked move

Back on the topic of Keldeo: I don't think Keldeo would end up in ubers. While it has excellent stats to be a great Special Sweeper, especially with access to Calm Mind, it has an extremely limited special movepool. Perhaps OU will be his ultimate resting place.

but water/fighting dual stabs not only have excellent coverage, but when paired with uh hp ghost i think it was maybe, keldeo absolutely wrecks. don't judge something on its movepool alone, especially when it has great stab options with high base power moves, as well as a really good boost move and a pretty damn good stat spread. keldeo is going to have a huge impact, especially if it doesn't get the boot to ubers.

PlatinumDude
March 2nd, 2012, 03:19 PM
All this talk about Keldeo makes me want to use one even more. :D

Just to theorize, if Keldeo was released already, this would be the standard set, right?:
-Calm Mind
-Surf/Hydro Pump
-Secret Sword/Focus Blast
-Hidden Power (Ghost/Electric)
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

Dark Azelf
March 2nd, 2012, 03:39 PM
Yeah standard CMer or this

Keldeo @ Choice Specs
Timid Nature
252 Atk / 252 Speed / 6 HP
- Hydro Pump
- Secret Sword
- Hidden Power [Dark/Ghost]
- Surf

Use in rain, crushes p much everything lol.

deoxys121
March 2nd, 2012, 03:41 PM
Hmm, I see what you're going at there. I guess we'll just have to wait and see where it ends up. I hope it's OU though, not ubers. :\

Now, this makes me think of where Meloetta could end up. With Relic Song, it becomes one of the seemingly most dangerous Fighting-types, with base 128 Attack and Speed. With that, I could see Meloetta easily becoming Uber.

Dark Azelf
March 2nd, 2012, 03:45 PM
Hmm, I see what you're going at there. I guess we'll just have to wait and see where it ends up. I hope it's OU though, not ubers. :\

Now, this makes me think of where Meloetta could end up. With Relic Song, it becomes one of the seemingly most dangerous Fighting-types, with base 128 Attack and Speed. With that, I could see Meloetta easily becoming Uber.

Meloetta sucks tbh, its a really big gimmick.

I doubt Keldeo will be uber either. Its checked and countered by ALOT of common pokemon.

PokeRaidenFighter350Z
March 2nd, 2012, 04:00 PM
I doubt Keldeo will be uber either. Its checked and countered by ALOT of common pokemon.

I'm not sure because Keldeo is the ONLY pokemon who can learn Secret Sword, a special Fighting attack that is affected by the enemy's Defense. Even though Keldeo has same dual type as Poliwrath, I think it's going to be uber.

Perrie ✿
March 2nd, 2012, 05:10 PM
I'm not sure because Keldeo is the ONLY pokemon who can learn Secret Sword, a special Fighting attack that is affected by the enemy's Defense. Even though Keldeo has same dual type as Poliwrath, I think it's going to be uber.

And? Secret Sword isn't going to but into ubers alone. And tbh what DA said was right, Pokemon like Latios, Alakazam, Tornadus etc all go through it. Most of its checks and counters are faster than it so it'd pretty much get OHKO'd, that's before any Calm Minds though, idk damage calculations after a certain amount and such. I guess physical attacks could work but eeh. It'll probably be in OU. A small chance of it being in ubers, but if not, OU for sure.

The Void
March 8th, 2012, 05:06 PM
Ok, so this is a bit weird but... ARCEUS IS UU??!! WTF?

Dark Azelf
March 8th, 2012, 05:29 PM
Ok, so this is a bit weird but... ARCEUS IS UU??!! WTF?

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/153/800/Meth%20lab.jpg?1311625897

....................

Forever
March 8th, 2012, 07:21 PM
Dragon what. Pretty sure Arceus is definitely über, lol. Ew autocorrect.

Hay DA y u lack four words, young fool.

PlatinumDude
March 8th, 2012, 07:28 PM
Ok, so this is a bit weird but... ARCEUS IS UU??!! WTF?

It's still Uber. :P I think you were looking at "Arcanine," who's above Arceus-Bug on Smogon's Pokemon B/W list.

Vrai
March 8th, 2012, 08:32 PM
i see the server is down, as usual

also if anyone wants to play any matches at all (i have OU/RU/NU teams atm, gonna be getting UU and All-CAP soon as well) i'd definitely be down. brb wrecking RU with mono-bug

Hay DA y u lack four words, young fool.

as the proprietor of this thread i hereby establish that this rule no longer exists within the boundaries of this thread

tell me again why that is a rule? i thought da's post was pretty well-informed and thoughtful

Dark Azelf
March 9th, 2012, 09:13 PM
i see the server is down, as usual

also if anyone wants to play any matches at all (i have OU/RU/NU teams atm, gonna be getting UU and All-CAP soon as well) i'd definitely be down. brb wrecking RU with mono-bug

as the proprietor of this thread i hereby establish that this rule no longer exists within the boundaries of this thread

tell me again why that is a rule? i thought da's post was pretty well-informed and thoughtful


Yeah server being down constantly isnt helping lol :/

Also you're only wrecking the lower tiers cos im not there.....yet. Im like chuck norris, i decide what ladder to massacre and what position i want, its usually #1 lol!

Lastly my post was wonderful. If anyone has a problem ill spin you a yarn about mobiles treasure island and speys cave of 1000 regrets. ^__________________________________________^

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/556.gif

edit:
(fun fact: i am actually insane lolol)

Forever
March 11th, 2012, 04:47 AM
Server works again yay! /four hours late

Get back on y'all, etc.

Yoshikkko
March 11th, 2012, 06:41 AM
i find that rule a bit silly to begin with. it doesn't really prevent spam anyway because you can spam with over 4 words and 25 characters too.

server's back woo are you happy

KH Fan Bixran
March 11th, 2012, 03:17 PM
Is the server down AGAIN?! Geez po, why u gotta hate us this weekend?

Forever
March 11th, 2012, 03:39 PM
Is the server down AGAIN?! Geez po, why u gotta hate us this weekend?

Well it's up now like half an hour later, and from the looks of people idling, I don't think it was down at all. :x

March 11th, 2012, 04:08 PM
Meloetta sucks tbh, its a really big gimmick.

I doubt Keldeo will be uber either. Its checked and countered by ALOT of common pokemon.

The CM Variant is, but has anyone fought a Specs Keldeo in Rain? It's like a Special CB Terrakion o_O. If you're opponent can predict well enough, then you're in big trouble.

KH Fan Bixran
March 11th, 2012, 05:18 PM
Well it's up now like half an hour later, and from the looks of people idling, I don't think it was down at all. :x

Well, I cant seem to get on xp, its as if someone is using my name on there...idk really, but still..

Forever
March 11th, 2012, 05:56 PM
When I was on, nobody was using your name ;x you're also not banned afaik because they you'd be able to at least sign on. What's the exact connection issue it says?

Yoshikkko
March 12th, 2012, 08:56 AM
Uh I think it might have just been down Nica, PO is just wonky as ever, or it was just a little connection issue. It's no big deal really, it's probably a one time thing.

Vrai
March 12th, 2012, 10:08 AM
cbc election day is coming!! vote ban nica

this is not spam it has a veritable purpose and my exemplary vocabulary should prove my outstanding intelligence and a gentleman of my stature would not post such useless, incoherent things

Overlord Drakow
March 12th, 2012, 10:13 AM
cbc election day is coming!! vote ban nica

this is not spam it has a veritable purpose and my exemplary vocabulary should prove my outstanding intelligence and a gentleman of my stature would not post such useless, incoherent things

Quote for emphasis. Filler.

wolf
March 12th, 2012, 10:14 AM
Actually Bixran, you were banned by Luke for annoying him. Nica, you're next.

Forever
March 12th, 2012, 04:09 PM
It didn't occur to me to check the banned users list. :( I also feel I should not be banned, and Yoshi agrees I'm sure since I totally bring people to the server let's just ban Derk instead, he'll never notice!!

Vrai
March 12th, 2012, 04:25 PM
It didn't occur to me to check the banned users list. :( I also feel I should not be banned, and Yoshi agrees I'm sure since I totally bring people to the server let's just ban Derk instead, he'll never notice!!

winter was banned by Z​ebraiken!

now you're next

Yoshikkko
March 12th, 2012, 04:27 PM
Na I gotta agree with Vrai on this :>>>> maybe :>

Forever
March 12th, 2012, 04:39 PM
I feel I would not make a worthy ban subject and... ANTI WOULD OPPOSE IT. :(

(If he doesn't I'm out of options here but 99% sure due to being "Appleasing" @ server which is pleasing and stuff).

Anti
March 12th, 2012, 07:13 PM
If we're going to have CBC elections, Samuel Tilden has to be running against me. Mostly because I'll definitely beat him.

Anyhow, I approve Nica's ban. You may ban all of her non-Appleasing accounts. I agree with this measure wholeheartedly. Go Bucks.

Forever
March 12th, 2012, 08:38 PM
Not entirely what I wanted but close enough, at least I'm somewhat saved!!

Anti you're running against Wolflare by default. :( Whoever this guy is needs to mod CBC to run against you, lol. Besides I thought you'd want to beat Bosh more, etc.

Dark Azelf
March 14th, 2012, 06:28 AM
Ugh server is down AGAIN. This is becoming a joke. ~_~

Forever
March 14th, 2012, 06:37 AM
Then why am I not laughing. :(

Could we possibly get a proper backup server since it goes down so often or would that be too complicated?

Yoshikkko
March 14th, 2012, 08:34 AM
Well no that'd just be.. idk complicated yea, pc just needs to fix their stuff tbh.

wolf
March 14th, 2012, 09:37 AM
Sorry guys, it was probably another computer update (...that restarts Petie's computer), and he's quite busy right now. We used to have a backup server that I hosted, but I can't anymore thanks to my new router. If anyone wants to make a backup server, be my guest. All you have to do is download the server files, extract them, run server.exe, give the server a name, and just leave the program open. Obviously, you might have issues with the firewall and such blocking it though.

Yoshikkko
March 14th, 2012, 09:42 AM
what if you wanna sleep tho, do you just let it on like 24/7?

wolf
March 14th, 2012, 09:58 AM
Yeah, pretty much. That's why we need Petie to host it; his computer is meant to stay on 24/7.

Overlord Drakow
March 14th, 2012, 02:35 PM
The server is up and running again.

Forever
March 16th, 2012, 10:10 AM
Okay so earlier Vrai battled Drakow and I wanted to like, commentate on the battle sorta during it, and... you can see below, it's kind of amazing btw!

Appleasing: drakow falls to a stall
Zebraiken: this is
Appleasing: turning into his fate
Zebraiken: nowhere near stall
Zebraiken: lol
Appleasing: a rhyme?
Appleasing: well
Appleasing: i am commentating
Appleasing: crunch and munch
Appleasing: the deoxys lunch
Appleasing: rocks fly in the air
Appleasing: as edges soon desair
Appleasing: despair
Appleasing: *
Appleasing: dragonite flies in and watches the bulk
Appleasing: as dances lose to paybacking hulk
Appleasing: gengar sweeps in to sub
Appleasing: the payback is dealt and the gar is done
Appleasing: balls fly at zong
Appleasing: as prediction wins
Appleasing: and zone dies
Appleasing: a cruel fate, like a fly
Appleasing: scizor comes to save the day
vileplume is watching the battle.
Appleasing: but loses only just as he swaps away
vileplume: h
vileplume: i
vileplume: x)
Appleasing: hi vrai 2
Appleasing: quakes rise
Appleasing: and hydreigon awakes
Appleasing: turning out
Appleasing: into his fate
Appleasing: scizor enters, strong willed a fighter
Appleasing: durr arrives
Appleasing: scizor is mightier
Zebraiken: yeah i lose to scizor sadly
Appleasing: hydreigon appears on the other side
Appleasing: vrai comments to show he's still alive
Appleasing: punches are thrown blasts are blasted
Appleasing: gengar will surely be fastest
Appleasing: mamo comes in to save vrAY
vileplume: yay
Appleasing: as shards appear
Appleasing: vrai wins the day
Appleasing: but no
Appleasing: drakow shocks the men
Appleasing: and looks at the women
Appleasing: hydreigon has exhausted the tradition


Also so I do have something of relevance to add, sun is quickly becoming my favourite weather.

Yoshikkko
March 17th, 2012, 07:59 AM
at least I'm in it too :>

and yeah I love sun too buuuut can be tricky!!

Vrai
March 17th, 2012, 08:07 AM
vileplume: h
vileplume: i
vileplume: x)
Appleasing: hi vrai 2

rofl

Yoshikkko
March 17th, 2012, 09:07 AM
ikr im still laughing too best part of the poem tbh!!!

Vrai
March 17th, 2012, 09:10 AM
(12:04:34) +Zebraiken: just post it
(12:04:47) +Appleasing: guys
(12:04:49) +Zebraiken: click post
(12:04:50) +Appleasing: it's like giving birth
(12:04:51) +Zebraiken: and let it go
(12:04:54) +Appleasing: not that easy
(12:04:56) +Zebraiken: good god no it's not
(12:04:58) +Appleasing: you can't just say
(12:05:00) +Zebraiken: it's clicking a button
(12:05:02) Billyhill Willy: lol
(12:05:02) +Appleasing: baby get out of the vagina
(12:05:03) Billyhill Willy: nica
(12:05:06) Billyhill Willy: have you ever given birth
(12:05:07) +Appleasing: in 2 seconds
(12:05:09) +Appleasing: it takes time

posting a rmt is the equivalent of giving birth

Yoshikkko
March 17th, 2012, 09:28 AM
everyone go to nica's rmt and judge!!!!
http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=276047

Forever
March 17th, 2012, 09:39 AM
You people want to make me cry A THOUSAND TEARS and never post threads in CBC again! :(

It's a totally scary process. :x For me!!!

Vrai
March 17th, 2012, 10:08 AM
let's talk about battling

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/50/647Keldeo.png

more specifically this

Yoshikkko
March 17th, 2012, 10:09 AM
hahhaha keldeo has a butthole

anyways he's terrible

Vrai
March 17th, 2012, 02:20 PM
why is that

i believe keldeo is extraordinary!

Yoshikkko
March 17th, 2012, 04:36 PM
i believe keldeo is v annoying and ugly too

Forever
March 17th, 2012, 05:49 PM
Keldeo is perfect. I can't wait for its release, WHICH IS WHEN the metagame will fall victim to it and won't see what's coming. :3 In other words competitively Keldeo shall be wonderful.

Vrai
March 17th, 2012, 05:54 PM
Keldeo is perfect. I can't wait for its release, WHICH IS WHEN the metagame will fall victim to it and won't see what's coming. :3 In other words competitively Keldeo shall be wonderful.

why did you capitalize that :( the metagame isn't going to fall to it before its release!! nor will it at all

keldeo will be pretty cool though, i think. it has really cool typing and the same build as the other musketeers and a good speed number, so it's ready to do lots of great things!!!

Forever
March 17th, 2012, 05:59 PM
Because I figured it was an important point! tbh I think it could potentially corrupt the entire metagame, or at least fit in perfectly, -whichever you prefer-.

ya the typing is the entire highlight of it tbh. Poliwrath ain't got nothing on it.

Vrai
March 17th, 2012, 06:01 PM
Because I figured it was an important point! tbh I think it could potentially corrupt the entire metagame, or at least fit in perfectly, -whichever you prefer-.

ya the typing is the entire highlight of it tbh. Poliwrath ain't got nothing on it.

poliwrath has cuteness on it

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg689/scaled.php?server=689&filename=poliwrath.png&res=medium

Forever
March 17th, 2012, 06:05 PM
Keldeo is cuter. Poliwrath is useless and would die to Keldeo in a second.

btw kinda not really relevant but I want another comm night :(

potent445
March 17th, 2012, 06:31 PM
Keldeo is a huge threat, will definly be in the top 10 usuage. The calm mind varient is really hard to stop as it can hit on the physical side thanks to secret sword and if you run Hidden Power (ghost) you have perfect coverage. Also the specs varient is extremely poweful in rain and base 108 speed means thats its pretty hard to outpace without priority. Id expect that when Keldeo is released that rain teams will find more usuage again.

Broken Equity
March 17th, 2012, 06:32 PM
Specs Keldeo is a baller, it's like the Special Version of CB Terrakium. CM Keldeo is slightly less cooler, but still effective when used right. Latias is like the only hard counter to both sets.

potent445
March 17th, 2012, 07:14 PM
Specs Keldeo is even more powerful than CB Terrakion I feel. Secret sword to ruin Blissey and a rain boosted Hydro Pump destroys nearly anything that doesnt resist it. It does 47-55% to Blissey from memory.

Yoshikkko
March 18th, 2012, 08:26 AM
ya i'm in for another comm night too @ nica. it has to be in the weekend somewhere though because i really can't during school days D;

Domino™
March 26th, 2012, 01:30 PM
If the comm night is this weekend I'm actually gonna be so pissed. ;; Literally because I'm at a party.

The Void
March 27th, 2012, 04:14 PM
Sorry to disturb your discussion about Keldeo being overpowered and all.... but so I herd Deoxys-D haz been banned from UU? (http://pokemon-online.eu/forums/showthread.php?12425) xD

Dark Azelf
March 27th, 2012, 05:29 PM
Meh its PO, no one really cares about their tiers tbh lol

The Void
March 28th, 2012, 11:03 PM
PC's server is on PO... >.<

Anti
March 28th, 2012, 11:27 PM
PC's server is on PO... >.<

Indeed, but we go by Smogon's tiers. I didn't even know PO's forum ran its own tests, actually. Theoretically, we could make up totally random tiers for our server and go by those and we'd be allowed to do so. They don't force us to adhere to their tiers. But yeah, the only tests of any relevance here are those done on Smogon! As far as I know though, there hasn't been much news out of there, though I am out of the loop at times. :x

Exile
March 28th, 2012, 11:43 PM
PO's tiering is shoddy at best; they lack the resources that Smogon does and I didn't know they actually did a voting system until now, before they basically posted a discussion thread and any random could post whether to ban it or not and they went off of that.

Forever
March 29th, 2012, 11:25 PM
This thread has been completely inactive for too long, tbh.

And @ PO, I don't really like their tiers (not that I can name them but I vaguely remember them), but only because I'm used to Smogon's. :x

Vrai
March 30th, 2012, 05:22 AM
Smogon's tiering has the most competitive relevance here (and in most places) while PO's tiers really only apply to themselves.

Opposite Day
April 1st, 2012, 04:31 AM
err so what is going on around the rest of the forum? Seems everyone is like overreacting about minor things, sort of glad CBC is not doing anything.

Anyway to actually like add something to this thread which relates to tiers: tbh wouldn't it be easier if Smogon just deleted the BL tiers and just merged the Pokemon into the tier above already?

Yoshikkko
April 3rd, 2012, 06:15 AM
It's not really convincing if you just talk like yourself Nica lol ^

Forever
April 3rd, 2012, 06:16 AM
Nah you believed it. ;3 Nothing like what I'd say anyway :(

OH OH OH everyone go make a nu team... that is all. :3; yoshi/vrai already fulfill this requirement so they are exempt.

revelp8
April 6th, 2012, 05:01 PM
I think that's an interesting discussion. I think PO's tiers are way more balanced than smogon's tiers, being the only difference in OU is chandelure and excadrill aren't banned on smogon (though im probably forgetting some other pkmn but im going off of what i remember)

Archer
April 11th, 2012, 04:50 PM
I take it our PO server is down for everyone else, too?

I'm onto my second NU team, which seems to be okay, but I'm having horrible luck with hax, lol.

Gurdurr seems much more dangerous in the hands of others that it does in my team... When I'm reasonably happy with the team, I might post an RMT.

Vrai
April 11th, 2012, 08:50 PM
Yeah, the server's down. And I'll definitely rate any NU teams that drop by!

tinyranitar
April 12th, 2012, 07:33 AM
Hey guys, I just test a SubPunch set for dragonite and it actually work lol. It's a little crazy so I called him dragonuts. Here is the set:
Dragonite (M) @ Leftovers
Traits: Multiscale.
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Substitute
- Roost
- Focus Punch
- Dragon Claw
I don't know how to arrange the EVs for best performance so can you guys give some advice?

Matrss
April 12th, 2012, 03:05 PM
Would it be stupid to put substitute on Haxorus so it can set up swords dance? No baton passer at the moment.

Also is there any opportunity to battle at lower levels? Like level 55? I haven't had a battle with another person since I was a kid!

PlatinumDude
April 12th, 2012, 07:15 PM
Would it be stupid to put substitute on Haxorus so it can set up swords dance? No baton passer at the moment.

Also is there any opportunity to battle at lower levels? Like level 55? I haven't had a battle with another person since I was a kid!

Actually, giving Sub to Haxorus is (somewhat) viable because it protects it from status and gives it a protection buffer to ease set up.

If I remember correctly, there's an auto-level function in B/W to make all Pokemon level 50 before the battle starts.

Dark Azelf
April 13th, 2012, 01:51 PM
The following has been paid for by elf.inc.

SERVER IS BACK UP

:)

wolf
April 14th, 2012, 09:09 AM
I think that's an interesting discussion. I think PO's tiers are way more balanced than smogon's tiers, being the only difference in OU is chandelure and excadrill aren't banned on smogon (though im probably forgetting some other pkmn but im going off of what i remember)
Isn't it the other way around? Smogon bans Excadrill, but not Chandelure. You're probably thinking of Dream World, where they unbanned everything.

Hey guys, I just test a SubPunch set for dragonite and it actually work lol. It's a little crazy so I called him dragonuts. Here is the set:
Dragonite (M) @ Leftovers
Traits: Multiscale.
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Substitute
- Roost
- Focus Punch
- Dragon Claw
I don't know how to arrange the EVs for best performance so can you guys give some advice?
Looks pretty interesting actually, since the Dragon + Fighting combo isn't resisted by anything. Speed EVs aren't very good on SubPunchers though, as it's better to take a hit, use Sub, then fire off an attack. If Dragonite was faster, the Sub would have been broken. Something like 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Speed and Adamant nature should be fine.

Would it be stupid to put substitute on Haxorus so it can set up swords dance? No baton passer at the moment.

Also is there any opportunity to battle at lower levels? Like level 55? I haven't had a battle with another person since I was a kid!
Like PlatinumDude said, it's good for blocking status. You could do give it a Dragon Gem, similar to Sub + SD Terrakion. But Skarmory and the like can still survive a Dragon Gem boosted +2 Outrage pretty easily. I would think Double Dance is probably better though (Dragon Dance / Swords Dance / Outrage / Earthquake). It's more versatile since you can break through stall with SD, while DD is better against offense. And Lum Berry can be used for blocking status anyway.

The following has been paid for by elf.inc.

SERVER IS BACK UP

:)

More like Wolf, Inc. ;) Imma start editing the thread title with the server status so everyone knows when it's up.

Dark Azelf
April 16th, 2012, 04:21 PM
Nothing like trolling the nu ladder and spamming this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tOcK2wj3OE&feature=related to introduce some culture to the ladder peasants lol. Speaking of which im @ #7 atm, i will be @ #1 shortly.

Also even though its not really balanced, NU is fun.

Lastly you should get on PC server or ill cut you. :)

Vrai
April 22nd, 2012, 04:32 PM
(19:10:05) +Raikou: hey blubberchomp
(19:10:07) +Raikou: are u here
(19:10:31) Kaori joined the channel.
(19:10:41) +Entei: kaoriii
(19:10:41) +Raikou: if you are/when you look here could you look in the scripts and see if you can fix the -not letting us send links- thing

Just leaving this where wolf will see it. :)

Exile
April 22nd, 2012, 10:06 PM
Wowie wolf the scripter hero.

So um what are everybodys thoughts on tiering, anyone think stuff should be b&/unbanned??!?

Discuss~

Shinkirō
April 22nd, 2012, 11:06 PM
In regards to OU, I never really saw the logic behind Garchomps's banning, but Deo-S needs to stay in hell right where it belongs. I hate Deoxys.

Exile
April 22nd, 2012, 11:53 PM
In regards to OU, I never really saw the logic behind Garchomps's banning, but Deo-S needs to stay in hell right where it belongs. I hate Deoxys.

Garchomp was a cool pkmn, but its ability Sand Veil was uncompetitive for the most part since it had a 20% miss rate [30 with brightpowder] that could easily alter an otherwise one sided game in the losing player's favor, on sheer luck alone.

Forever
April 23rd, 2012, 01:59 AM
tbh I can't see anything that I necessarily want banned. :x I think just getting away from OU has been like a ban for me which is good, if that even makes sense lool.

edit: HEY WOLF FIX /ME PLZ. :(

Exile
April 23rd, 2012, 03:50 PM
So has anybody seen Vrai's sediments? Derk went to go with them a while ago, but they're nowhere to be found.

Anyways I'd probably like Sand Veil/Snow Cloak banned under evasion clause and Chomp retested, since those aren't inherently broken on their own and missing vs Gliscor has similar effects as missing vs. Chomp, in fact Sand Veil lets it beat one of its 'counters' in Rotom-W.

Forever
April 23rd, 2012, 08:29 PM
idk I'm still wondering where those sediments are tbh.

Yeah idgi why those forms of evasion aren't banned really, especially when Stone Edge/Focus Miss are common, decreasing their chances of hitting isn't really a good thing. :x

Izanagi.
April 24th, 2012, 10:40 AM
Personally I would love for Sand Veil/Snow Cloak to be banned under evasion clause. I still have nightmares about early BW OU where chomp was winning games off crucial misses. Chomp would be awesome to have back in the metagame, as without sand veil he's still a super mon that has lots of options.

Forever
May 3rd, 2012, 01:45 AM
This place is so dead :( Time to bring something up or whatever!! Do you guys think B2/W2 will change anything within the current tiers? Anything y'all want the games to do to battling by extending movesets or getting certain Pokemon in the Dream World, unlocking DW abilities for other Pokemon? Or that they'll throw competitive battling a curveball, idk.

Izanagi.
May 3rd, 2012, 11:26 AM
I would like it if they brought move tutors back. At the same time it seems like a horrifying idea because if **** like haxorus got fire punch there'd be no stopping it. If move tutors were available it probably would have an impact on the metagame. Certainly the release of other pokes DW abilities would do something to this metagame too. Though I haven't really kept track so I don't know what all is out there. I feel like this will change the metagame like Platinum did in 4th gen.

Forever
May 3rd, 2012, 06:53 PM
...that would be awesome :x but idk it might jump to ubers idk I don't remember it enough.

But yeah move tutors could also give us stuff like moxie DD outrage Mence since the DW only allows half of that. :(

The Void
May 4th, 2012, 08:30 PM
Maybe Pokemon will get newer DW abilties like Ferrothorn/Ferroseed with Sturdy or Growth, Hydreigon with Moxie, Shedinja with Sturdy, and Cofragigus with Cursed Body or something like that xD

Maybe new moves/movepools like Kyurem getting Frost Breath/Sheer Cold for a change and maybe Emolga/Pachirisu getting Volt Tackle through special breeding or something xD

Then again if that happened, tiers would probably change drastically and ban/demote a lot of Pokemon in a snap xD

Forever
May 4th, 2012, 11:50 PM
You do realise Shedinja with Sturdy would be completely useless, given Wonder Guard is like the only reason anyone ever uses it lol. Ferro with sturdy would be okay I guess. I want Sawk w/ whatever makes it unstoppable. Moxie or something!

PlatinumDude
May 4th, 2012, 11:55 PM
You do realise Shedinja with Sturdy would be completely useless, given Wonder Guard is like the only reason anyone ever uses it lol. Ferro with sturdy would be okay I guess. I want Sawk w/ whatever makes it unstoppable. Moxie or something!

If Shedinja did have Sturdy, then wouldn't it activate for every hit it takes? (making it immune to battle damage, but not passive damage)

Forever
May 4th, 2012, 11:58 PM
Oh wait maybe, idk. I was thinking it'd work like a sash, lol. :x So nvm, that would actually be worse to face than rn but I don't think they'd allow it to avoid EVERY attack.

The Void
May 5th, 2012, 12:10 AM
Shedinja could then be made Uber somehow if that happened since only poison/burn/sand/hail can destroy it xD

Besides, Shedinja has a strong shell that protected Nincada while evolving into Ninjask so it's reasonable for it to have Sturdy as a hidden move xD

Forever
May 5th, 2012, 12:13 AM
It already has a hidden ability, though :(

Oh I also want Sawk to have guts. And for an ability for psychic not to hurt it. I would then approve of it more. Actually scrap that, make Sawk fighting/dark, improve its stats a bit, hmmm.

The Void
May 5th, 2012, 12:42 AM
We already have Scrafty/Bisharp for that xD

Forever
May 5th, 2012, 12:48 AM
They are useless in the face of SAWK.

Exile
May 5th, 2012, 01:15 AM
Shedinja could then be made Uber somehow if that happened since only poison/burn/sand/hail can destroy it xD

Besides, Shedinja has a strong shell that protected Nincada while evolving into Ninjask so it's reasonable for it to have Sturdy as a hidden move xD

Even then teams would just carry something to kill it lol

The Void
May 5th, 2012, 01:22 AM
Even then teams would just carry something to kill it lol

As a wise man used to say:

"There's a counter for every counter."
--dragon456

Forever
May 5th, 2012, 01:23 AM
Not necessarily. Unless you mean your team mates help to remove that counter, but not everything has a reliable counter that you can always switch into etc etc.

The Void
May 5th, 2012, 01:39 AM
Well if Shedinja were to have Sturdy and your fighting a team with say Sandstorm/Hail, you can just switch in to something with Drizzle/Drought. Or give something like Lum Berry or support with Aromatherapy/Heal Bell with your team for status problems. And you can also counter a counter's counter if you use an all-out offensive team like a good sweeper to counter the counter counter team xD

COUNTEEERRR!!! :D

Yoshikkko
May 5th, 2012, 07:23 AM
ne you should use fear aron

The Void
May 5th, 2012, 09:49 PM
Yes, and keep spamming Endeavor at Shedinja.

Forever
May 5th, 2012, 10:18 PM
Shedinja sucks, fangirl/boy over something more superior such as Sawk, Gurdurr, the surprisingly useful Golem, and so on. :)

The Void
May 5th, 2012, 11:30 PM
Sawk/Gurdurr, no. Machamp/Conkeldurr with No Guard, yes.
Golem, no, Golurk, yes.
Shedinja, yes. :D

Forever
May 6th, 2012, 04:39 AM
hay guys since yoshi stopped being poster girl currently all the boys are mine how do you feel discuss
(don't discuss really lool)

Sawk is 10x better than Machamp. Straight out KOing > confusion. Dats how the strong people play... yeah idk.

Gurdurr I haven't yet compared to Machamp, so I cannot make a comment on that. :(

Yoshikkko
May 6th, 2012, 04:41 AM
okay so jsyk all the guys I didn't quit and yes still the main poster girl of CBC with nica as my sidekick

and machamp is hotter than sawk so
sawk can suck it
he can sawk it LOL

Forever
May 6th, 2012, 04:43 AM
I will Sawk you. You're my poster sidekick, not me as yours, fool.

Sawk is legit awesome, though.

Oh and while we sharing all our thoughts - I feel Magmortar would be more suited for OU if like, you raised the speed stats more I don't remember the other stats but its sPA is good enough.

RudeStyle
May 6th, 2012, 04:55 AM
Flygon for OU.

That swagness is too much for UU

The Void
May 6th, 2012, 05:33 AM
Shedinja for Ubers.

Machamp with No Guard Stone Edge and Dynamic Punch can beat Sawk flat out straight in no time. Golem dies by the wrath of Golurk's Earthquake/Dynamic Punch. Everyone dies by Shedinja.

Perrie ✿
May 6th, 2012, 04:07 PM
Everyone dies by Shedinja.

Suddenly, Stealth Rock. And Sandstorm, Hail etc.

where is everyone

Forever
May 6th, 2012, 04:10 PM
and then Sawk outspeeds and kills (why stone edge lool), 2bad.

idk dragonomega, I'm right here if that helps?!

Dark Azelf
May 6th, 2012, 06:45 PM
okay so jsyk all the guys I didn't quit and yes still the main poster girl of CBC with nica as my sidekick

and machamp is hotter than sawk so
sawk can suck it
he can sawk it LOL

10/10 apart from the Nica part, that spoiler your post. </3 ;/ lol

The Void
May 8th, 2012, 12:28 AM
Suddenly, Drizzle/Rapid Spin comes to the rescue!! Yayz! xD

Forever
May 9th, 2012, 07:28 AM
One day you'll get over your Shedinja obsession.

btw guys as you can see the server is down, who wants to take bets on how many days it'll be? I'm betting at max 3, at min 2. y/y?

Yoshikkko
May 9th, 2012, 07:51 AM
Again? I hardly even bother going there anymore because whenever I do there's either NOBODY or it's down :/

The Void
May 9th, 2012, 03:36 PM
lol yoshikko

The server will be up until people start being active here again lol.
Btw, why were the clans closed? o.O

Yoshikkko
May 9th, 2012, 03:54 PM
Uhh the three main clans aren't closed? Other clans get closed because they need to be approved of first.

xdom
May 9th, 2012, 04:09 PM
right when i start playing the servers down :/

Forever
May 9th, 2012, 04:15 PM
Uhh the three main clans aren't closed? Other clans get closed because they need to be approved of first.

No they're meant to be closed or something idek anymore. Tis why I haven't been posting in Sacred anyways.

OH WAIT NEVERMIND THEY ARE YAY. Yoshi don't mislead meeeeee.

And sorry xdom that you caught the server at a bad time. ;; Stay around though it'll work soon!!

xdom
May 9th, 2012, 04:30 PM
i've playing playing on the main server not much luck though i've lost every match

Forever
May 11th, 2012, 04:44 PM
Hay Wolf, apparently paragraph-is-too-long-bot is back, as well as flood bot and caps bot. Remove please? :3

Cordelia
May 11th, 2012, 06:35 PM
I don't really do PO too much but if people were willing to play/try doubles that's what I'm interested in... I have wifi teams ready of course but I can make a PO team in ten minutes if someone wanted to try it.

Forever
May 11th, 2012, 08:09 PM
SORRY MAC BUT THIS INPORTANT. Anyone think sacred beast formes of Tornadus/Landorus will stay in OU? And who'll be first to go to ubers etc. Discuss!! See more on uh Serebii.

Exile
May 11th, 2012, 08:31 PM
SORRY MAC BUT THIS INPORTANT. Anyone think sacred beast formes of Tornadus/Landorus will stay in OU? And who'll be first to go to ubers etc. Discuss!! See more on uh Serebii.

I was trying to avoid spoilers but oh well.

Tornadus' Sacred Beast Forme focuses on Defense, Speed & Special Defense
Thundurus' Sacred Beast Forme has increased Special Attack
Landorus' Sacred Beast Forme has increased Attack

Well Thundurus itself is Uber and if its Speed stays as is and it retains Nasty Plot and its coverage moves, then it could find it's way to Uber, either that or both formes end up getting unbanned.

Landorus beast formecould potentially make Uber if the power increase is huge or it gets Sand Rush or something, but it's unlikely, OU probably.

No way Tornadus's forme is going to Uber, probably UU maybe RU.

Forever
May 11th, 2012, 08:43 PM
Oops sorry ;; didn't think of spoilers!

But I think with the speed boost and defences boost Tornadus could become an issue for players. Idk it depends by how much though if it's by like 50 or so that could still be annoying and make it a good revenge killer :(

Cordelia
May 12th, 2012, 04:53 AM
I can see Thundurus stayed banned and also the banning of Landorus, to be honest. Tornadus is pathetic so it might stay the same if not go lower, but prankster is a nasty ability so it might stay in OU. I'm interested to see how it turns out, as always... the new game will bring changes to all of the metagames, even mine (VGC). I can't wait to find out.

Forever
May 12th, 2012, 05:00 AM
Not really pathetic in rain tbh. Give it screens support, specs w/ modest (if the boosts help it outspeed even Jolteon lool) and with these new changes to its stats it'd be pretty awesome. As it is it's already 5th fastest, so add to that and give it better defenses so it can last longer? Yes plz.

Cordelia
May 12th, 2012, 05:09 AM
Not really pathetic in rain tbh. Give it screens support, specs w/ modest (if the boosts help it outspeed even Jolteon lool) and with these new changes to its stats it'd be pretty awesome. As it is it's already 5th fastest, so add to that and give it better defenses so it can last longer? Yes plz.

Yeah, I know, but in comparison it's just not as good. I use it in the rain occasionally, but I don't really play singles anymore... I can't stand how long the battles take, omg!

Exile
May 12th, 2012, 05:36 AM
Not really pathetic in rain tbh. Give it screens support, specs w/ modest (if the boosts help it outspeed even Jolteon lool) and with these new changes to its stats it'd be pretty awesome. As it is it's already 5th fastest, so add to that and give it better defenses so it can last longer? Yes plz.

I think he's referring to the fact that Tornadus's new forme will be pathetic since you're giving Defense to a pure flying type which is a more offensively oriented typing than a defensive one. I don't think the genies will get a stat boost; I think some of their existing stats will be changed, o at least that's what the article implied, so I wouldn't be surprised if Tornadus's spread was changed to like 79/70/125/80/115/111

Cordelia
May 12th, 2012, 06:14 AM
How do you guys stand the 30+ turn battles in singles? I know PO makes it better, but still!! It drives me insane. I am so spoiled by my 8 turn max battles in doubles xD

The Void
May 12th, 2012, 06:23 AM
I had a stall war with probably almost around 100 turns once lol xD
If you want a reeeeeeeeeeeaaaally long stall match I suggest using some guy like Skarm/Bliss/Chans/Jellicent with Softboiled and match them up against other Stall/Tank pokes xD

Exile
May 12th, 2012, 06:33 AM
How do you guys stand the 30+ turn battles in singles? I know PO makes it better, but still!! It drives me insane. I am so spoiled by my 8 turn max battles in doubles xD

I find long battles fun sometimes, and I guess the satisfaction of victory is enough to be worth it.

Cordelia
May 12th, 2012, 06:36 AM
I had a stall war with probably almost around 100 turns once lol xD
If you want a reeeeeeeeeeeaaaally long stall match I suggest using some guy like Skarm/Bliss/Chans/Jellicent with Softboiled and match them up against other Stall/Tank pokes xD

Oh man, no thanks xD In doubles, a stall battle is around twelve to fifteen turns xD That's long enough for me. But I don't do stall.

I find long battles fun sometimes, and I guess the satisfaction of victory is enough to be worth it.

That makes sense, but to each his own. Would anyone be interested in perhaps playing some doubles on PO sometime?

Forever
May 12th, 2012, 06:52 AM
I hate stall. Stall just angers me in various ways. Well, not really, but it's annoying. :(

I honestly don't mind the length of battles, I usually don't notice.

Cordelia
May 12th, 2012, 07:19 AM
I hate stall. Stall just angers me in various ways. Well, not really, but it's annoying. :(

I honestly don't mind the length of battles, I usually don't notice.

I don't mind defensive pokes, but stall can get annoying to run and go against... that's why you need stallbreakers \o/

PlatinumDude
May 12th, 2012, 07:50 AM
With the new Kami trio formes revealed, I'll guess what roles they may be playing in the metagame. These might have been said before, but I might elaborate on those.

Tornadus: with it specializing in high defenses and Speed, I'm guessing that it'll be more of a supporter than before, utilizing Prankster to set up Rain Dance for non-Drizzle Rain teams, and tanking a hit after with its high defenses, then U-turning out or attacking when necessary. Of course, Stealth Rock is still going to be a pain, and I hope GameFreak will make Roost a move tutor move that the Kami trio will be able to learn.

Thundurus: it's still going to tear things to shreds in Ubers with its high Special Attack. In other words, that new forme may perform the same role Thundurus' current forme does right now (pre-Uber and post-Uber).

Landorus: I dunno, but I think its new forme may perform the same role its original forme currently does in OU.

Forever
May 12th, 2012, 09:17 AM
Ooh right I forgot about that, I was thinking purely its attacking skills @ Tornadus. :x

@ Mac: Well luckily a lot of specially defensive/defensive Pokemon are normal (at least the most defensive ones I can think of in nu are weak to fighting lool) which is great for me considering I love fighting. :3

Cordelia
May 12th, 2012, 11:04 AM
Ooh right I forgot about that, I was thinking purely its attacking skills @ Tornadus. :x

@ Mac: Well luckily a lot of specially defensive/defensive Pokemon are normal (at least the most defensive ones I can think of in nu are weak to fighting lool) which is great for me considering I love fighting. :3

Fighting is a great offensive type, one of my favorites as well. Hitmontop is one of my favorites due to his intimidate ability and just general awesomeness... and I don't even use the technitop version xD At least not in doubles. In singles one could go with either, but I love it if he's burned he can still make an impact with intimidate abuse.

The Void
May 13th, 2012, 04:54 PM
I want Hydreigon to have Contrary so it can spam Draco Meteor all it wants rofl

Forever
May 14th, 2012, 04:11 AM
Maybe, or you could give it to something like Metagross w/ hammer arm.

The Void
May 14th, 2012, 04:44 AM
o.O Why would you give Metagross Hammer Arm? It's perfectly capable of beating Steels/Rocks without it using Meteor Mash/Earthquake. >_>

Forever
May 14th, 2012, 04:47 AM
Say hello to Heatran @ air balloon. Plus with contrary it would be beneficial to it anyways.

Dark Azelf
May 14th, 2012, 04:15 PM
Hammer Arm also hits Ferrothorn which is p much Metagross biggest counter.

Hammer Arm/MM/T-Punch/Zen Headbutt @ Contrary would be cute unless Meteor Mash got an attack raise aka drop lol! I guess you could use like Iron Head or some other garbage but yeah.

Forever
May 18th, 2012, 04:40 PM
Hey guys you all suck for not being on the server @ planned comm night.

(You all don't really suck BUT STILL you get my point!!)

Yoshikkko
May 18th, 2012, 04:47 PM
whattt when is comm night o_o;; not tonight right??!? omg please let it be after my exams D;

Forever
May 18th, 2012, 11:28 PM
Well luckily it was cancelled, idk, people should plan ahead next time and make time to come on! :(

The Void
May 22nd, 2012, 04:00 PM
CBC, yusoinactive? ._.
So when DOES comm night start? o.o

Forever
May 22nd, 2012, 04:01 PM
You say it's inactive yet it has 107 viewers right now (which makes no sense at all lol).

In a few weeks I think?

The Void
May 22nd, 2012, 04:04 PM
But but the last post was like four days ago o.o
Anyway, in the topic of competitive, I just remembered how Moody was banned... I think they should at least allow it in OU/Ubers. ._.

Forever
May 22nd, 2012, 04:39 PM
Why, lol. Firstly it's a terribly annoying ability and the fact that it's unreliable, can give boost to anything, so on and kinda ruins the point of EVing or min/max stats.

tj4bigred
May 22nd, 2012, 04:42 PM
The only problem with Moody is it affects evasion. If it didn't have a chance to affect Evasion, it wouldn't be banned. Yeah, it's only a little annoying, but trying to face +6 Evasion Bibarel is reason enough to want it banned.

Forever
May 22nd, 2012, 04:47 PM
Oh lol I thought I mentioned that. ;x The random jumps in general suck and take away the competitive imo.

Vrai
May 22nd, 2012, 05:58 PM
Why, lol. Firstly it's a terribly annoying ability and the fact that it's unreliable, can give boost to anything, so on and kinda ruins the point of EVing or min/max stats.

People would make teams with several Moody Pokemon, and all they have to do is Protect and hope they get a Speed or Evasion boost (which is a 2/7 chance) and then they can alternate between Sub and Protect until they've got +6 Evasion and/or impossible defenses. You literally cannot win against a well-played Moody Pokemon, lol. Unless you plan on using No Guard (one of those moves that crits all the time...) Machamp, I don't think anyone would ever want Moody around.

basically it's like double team on steroids

The Void
May 22nd, 2012, 06:52 PM
Yes, but that's still like banning Wonder Guard from the metagame since Moody also has a chance of lowering desirable stats (like accuracy/attack) and raising undesirable stats and there are many ways of countering it like No Guard, Unaware, never miss moves, etc. Jus sayin.

Forever
May 23rd, 2012, 04:30 AM
Bringing to everyone else on auth's attention here:

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Sooo yeah, I IP checked before and made sure it was none of any of us, but yeah, wtf?

Doronjo and I are kinda concerned because obviously if they can do that then chances are bypassing a ban won't be hard.

Also Doronjo and I can't umute Leavanny:
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Vrai
May 23rd, 2012, 05:41 AM
(08:38:10) +Zebraiken: hm
(08:38:55) +Zebraiken: it's
(08:39:03) +Zebraiken: probably some code manipulation or hopping around with broken code
(08:39:06) +Zebraiken: js
(08:39:17) +Zebraiken: seeing as you were "channel kicked" and not just kicked
(08:39:37) +Zebraiken: aka we just need wolfers to go through scripts and figure that out probably

diab_low
June 12th, 2012, 02:47 AM
k people im abit confused what are the different types of teams and whats their purpose. for example trick room teams and the rest


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PlatinumDude
June 12th, 2012, 03:44 AM
k people im abit confused what are the different types of teams and whats their purpose. for example trick room teams and the rest


Posted from Pokecommunity.com App for Android

Here are the ones that I know of (anyone can correct me if I'm wrong here):
-Hyper-offense: they're mostly comprised of sweepers who do as much damage as they can to the opposition (with support from Reflect/Light Screen to make up for their normally meager defenses, as well as Stealth Rock/Spikes to reduce the amount of PP they use for their moves to bring down opponents)
-Rain: utilizes Rain Dance or Politoed (OU)/Kyogre (Ubers) to give the rest of the team benefits from the rain (increased power of Water moves, healing from Dry Skin, 100% accurate Thunders, increased Speed for Swift Swim Pokemon, reduced damage from Fire moves). Note that Swift Swim Pokemon can't be used with Drizzle Pokemon.
-Sun: utilizes Sunny Day or Ninetales (OU)/Groudon (Ubers) to allow other Pokemon to benefit from it (increased power of Fire moves, increased Speed for Chlorophyll Pokemon, SolarBeam needing no charge turn, increased Special Attack for Solar Power Pokemon, reduced damage from Water moves)
-Sandstorm: utilizes Tyranitar or Hippowdon's Sandstream ability to wear down non-Rock/Steel/Ground Pokemon. Gives other benefits, like boosting the power of Rock/Ground/Steel moves of Sand Force Pokemon, increasing the Special Defense of Rock Pokemon and boosting the Speed of Sand Rush Pokemon.
-Stall: mostly consists of defensive Pokemon that use things like Toxic, Protect and entry hazards to wear down opponents
-Trick Room: utilizes the Trick Room move to allow slow Pokemon to move first temporarily
-Balanced: a blend of offensive and defensive Pokemon on a team

Forever
June 12th, 2012, 10:21 PM
SOILERS.

Tornadus has Regenerator, Thundurus has Volt Absorb, Landorus has Intimidate

With their new formes & the item giving them that forme. I can definitely see Landorus rise in usage from that ability, especially considering how many physical attackers are in OU and given its soon-to-be attack boost, it'll be pretty common imo and much more useful!! Thoughts??? DON'T FORGET SPOILER TAGS FOR KARP SINCE KARP WANTS TO AVOID SPOILERS!

Altairis
June 12th, 2012, 10:49 PM
Landorus's attack boost + intimidate... well. might as well just put down your games, it's gonna destroy everything D8

Is the PokeCommunity server down? I don't see it on the registry.

diab_low
June 13th, 2012, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by diab_low

k people im abit confused what are the different types of teams and whats their purpose. for example trick room teams and the rest


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Here are the ones that I know of (anyone can correct me if I'm wrong here):
-Hyper-offense: they're mostly comprised of sweepers who do as much damage as they can to the opposition (with support from Reflect/Light Screen to make up for their normally meager defenses, as well as Stealth Rock/Spikes to reduce the amount of PP they use for their moves)
-Rain: utilizes Rain Dance or Politoed (OU)/Kyogre (Ubers) to give the rest of the team benefits from the rain (increased power of Water moves, healing from Dry Skin, 100% accurate Thunders, increased Speed for Swift Swim Pokemon, reduced damage from Fire moves). Note that Swift Swim Pokemon can't be used with Drizzle Pokemon.
-Sun: utilizes Sunny Day or Ninetales (OU)/Groudon (Ubers) to allow other Pokemon to benefit from it (increased power of Fire moves, increased Speed for Chlorophyll Pokemon, SolarBeam needing no charge turn, increased Special Attack for Solar Power Pokemon, reduced damage from Water moves)
-Sandstorm: utilizes Tyranitar or Hippowdon's Sandstream ability to wear down non-Rock/Steel/Ground Pokemon. Gives other benefits, like boosting the power of Rock/Ground/Steel moves of Sand Force Pokemon, increasing the Special Defense of Rock Pokemon and boosting the Speed of Sand Rush Pokemon.
-Stall: mostly consists of defensive Pokemon that use things like Toxic, Protect and entry hazards to wear down opponents
-Trick Room: utilizes the Trick Room move to allow slow Pokemon to move first temporarily
-Balanced: a blend of offensive and defensive Pokemon on a team

Oh so its jst ways of using abillities to your advantage and. lol im more balanced


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Forever
June 13th, 2012, 01:21 AM
Landorus's attack boost + intimidate... well. might as well just put down your games, it's gonna destroy everything D8

Is the PokeCommunity server down? I don't see it on the registry.

ikr. Or at least I guess Starmie and other sPA attackers will become even more popular. :x

Oh I didn't see this post :( Nope the server is up, if you can't find it, alternatively home.brokenrevolution.com buuut from reading back, I see a Lapras was there so I assume that's you!

Altairis
June 13th, 2012, 09:48 AM
It might be kind of chaotic in OU as the Sacred Beast Forms + Keldeo (and Meloetta I guess). They all have enhanced atk/special attack and then Keldeo is kind of scary in DW D:

Oh, I was wondering who Starships was, lol. I saw that the PC server isn't really that popular/active :(

Perrie ✿
June 21st, 2012, 04:04 AM
SPOILERS (move tutors)


Last Resort, Iron defense, Magnet Rise, Magic Coat, Block, Hyper Voice, Electroweb, Icy Wind, Iron Tail, Aqua Tail, Earth Power, Zen Headbutt, Foul Play, Superpower, Gravity, Dragon Pulse and Dark Pulse, ThunderPunch, Ice Punch, Fire Punch, Low Kick, Gunk Shot, Dual Chop, Seed Bomb, Uproar, Super Fang, Iron Head, Signal Beam, Bounce, Drill Run, Bug Bit, Covet, Drain Punch, Giga Drain, Roost, Sky Attack, Role Play, Heat Wave, Pain Split & Tailwind.


rip current meta imo

PlatinumDude
June 21st, 2012, 04:10 AM
SPOILERS (move tutors)


Last Resort, Iron defense, Magnet Rise, Magic Coat, Block, Hyper Voice, Electroweb, Icy Wind, Iron Tail, Aqua Tail, Earth Power, Zen Headbutt, Foul Play, Superpower, Gravity, Dragon Pulse and Dark Pulse, ThunderPunch, Ice Punch, Fire Punch, Low Kick, Gunk Shot, Dual Chop, Seed Bomb, Uproar, Super Fang, Iron Head, Signal Beam, Bounce, Drill Run, Bug Bit, Covet, Drain Punch, Giga Drain, Roost, Sky Attack, Role Play, Heat Wave, Pain Split & Tailwind.


rip current meta imo

(forgot about Knock Off and Synthesis, but w/e)

Anyway, I like the current list, though some moves were a bit unexpected, like Drill Run. I was happy that some of the Gen IV tutor moves came back, like Giga Drain, Drain Punch, Roost, Dark Pulse and Dragon Pulse. This makes Dark Pulse + Earth Power legal on Hydreigon, for instance.

Forever
June 21st, 2012, 04:24 AM
It means I may get Superpower Haxorus. brb being excited.

Perrie ✿
June 21st, 2012, 04:32 AM
We also get Roost Gliscor again. But with PH ok

PlatinumDude
June 21st, 2012, 04:58 AM
I really hope Haxorus gets Fire Punch. Right now, Ferrothorn gives it a hard time, so Fire Punch could come in handy here.

Perrie ✿
June 21st, 2012, 05:18 AM
OH LORD STEALTH ROCK IS NOW A TUTOR MOVE

PlatinumDude
June 21st, 2012, 05:23 AM
OH LORD STEALTH ROCK IS NOW A TUTOR MOVE

Yup, I saw that one coming too. And Sleep Talk and Outrage came back as well. Now MoxieMence can sweep with near-impunity, and ResTalk Conekdurr could be potentially good.

Perrie ✿
June 22nd, 2012, 08:06 AM
Base stats of the new formes


[hp / atk / def / spa / spd / spe]
Tornadus - 79 / 100 / 80 / 110 / 90 / 121
Thundurus - 79 / 105 / 70 / 145 / 80 / 101
Landorus - 89 / 145 / 90 / 105 / 80 / 91
Black Kyurem - 125 / 170 / 100 / 120 / 90 / 95
White Kyurem - 125 / 120 / 90 / 170 / 100 / 95
Resolution Keldeo - 91 / 72 / 90 / 129 / 90 / 108

lawd @those offenses

Landorus isn't that bad now that his speed is 91

PlatinumDude
June 22nd, 2012, 08:20 AM
Base stats of the new formes


[hp / atk / def / spa / spd / spe]
Tornadus - 79 / 100 / 80 / 110 / 90 / 121
Thundurus - 79 / 105 / 70 / 145 / 80 / 101
Landorus - 89 / 145 / 90 / 105 / 80 / 91
Black Kyurem - 125 / 170 / 100 / 120 / 90 / 95
White Kyurem - 125 / 120 / 90 / 170 / 100 / 95
Resolution Keldeo - 91 / 72 / 90 / 129 / 90 / 108

lawd @those offenses

Landorus isn't that bad now that his speed is 91

Resolution Keldeo's stats are the same as before. :/

Anyway, I like Thundurus' stats. Sure, it lost out on 10 Speed and Prankster, but Volt Absorb makes up for it, and it's still pretty fast.

It's kind of sad to see that Landorus' Speed suffered a bit (probably to keep its massive Attack in check), but it can still use Rock Polish to fix it.

Now for Tornadus: its defenses aren't really the best, but its Speed improved quite a bit, at the cost of 15 points from each of its offenses. I think a support set would be best for this Tornadus because of those stats paired with Regenerator (and possibly Roost).

Perrie ✿
June 22nd, 2012, 08:24 AM
They've been generous with Tornadus. Roost, Regenerator, balanced stats, thanks to the move tutors, new moves.

edit - wait just looked at the tutor list and saw that there's about 5 moves that Tornadus can actually use, never mind use in competitive battling. Heat Wave, Iron/Aqua Tail and Zen Headbutt (possibly), Roost and Sky Attack.


ALSO GLISCOR GETS SKY UPPERCUT JSYK

PlatinumDude
June 23rd, 2012, 05:47 AM
Well, now that the tutor compatibilities have been revealed, how about I propose a couple of possible new sets for Serperior? Serperior actually gained a couple of useful moves (Dragon Pulse, Aqua Tail, and possibly Outrage, but I don't think that would see some use):

Physical (similar to the on-site Coil set):
-Coil/Swords Dance
-Leaf Blade
-Aqua Tail
-Dragon Tail/Return/Substitute
Nature: Jolly/Adamant
EVs: 32 HP/252 Atk/224 Spe
Item: Leftovers

Special (if Contrary gets released):
-Leaf Storm
-Hidden Power (Fire)
-Dragon Pulse
-Giga Drain/Substitute
Nature: Timid
EVs: 32 HP/252 SAtk/224 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Contrary

Perrie ✿
June 25th, 2012, 08:22 AM
Posting for the 3rd time that Technician Breloom has been released. ;;

Dark Azelf
June 25th, 2012, 01:38 PM
Posting for the 3rd time that Technician Breloom has been released. ;;

About time, now we have another check to Excadrill so it might hopefully see a retest.

wolf
June 25th, 2012, 02:32 PM
About time, now we have another check to Excadrill so it might hopefully see a retest.
Excadrill still has a small amount of checks, so I doubt it will be retested. Then again, the same could be said about a lot of Pokémon that are currently unbanned (Terrakion, Volcarona, Reuniclus). But it's going to be fun using Breloom without Shadow Tag Chandelure lurking around!

potent445
June 25th, 2012, 06:25 PM
Rain teams are dominating BW2. Anyone made a team thats had success thats not a rain team? id be interested to see it. Iv tried running sun but its just to hard to match up agaist Rain, but my SubSplit Ninetales has done pretty well

-Substitute
-Pain Split
-Will-O-Wisp
-Flamethrower
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252HP/108Def/148Spdef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Drought

Forever
June 25th, 2012, 06:51 PM
I already expressed my excitement in B2W2 in regards to Techniloom. n_n

Uhh I only really like sun/rain in OU and out of my teams I think I did best with sun. For Ninetales I always go for power so I went for NP. Actually for most things I tend to go for power...

Perrie ✿
June 25th, 2012, 08:24 PM
Tornadus-T is actually really good. Well the set I'm running anyways.

Tornadus-T @Life Orb
Timid (+Spe; -Atk)
Regenerator
4 Hp / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Air Slash
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Heat Wave
- Focus Blast

potent445
June 25th, 2012, 08:25 PM
I was so happy when I heard TechLoom got released.
And Tornadus-T is a beast. Base 121 speed and Regenerator make it such a good hit and run pokemon.
Iv been testing this set

Tornadus-T @Flying Gem
Jolly (+Spe; -Atk)
Regenerator
4 Hp / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
- Bulk UP
- Acrobatics
- Superpower
- Substitute/U-Turn

It actually works really well because everyone is expecting the special set. Substitute if to black spore since its so popular due to Amonguss and the release on TechLoom and U-Turn works when you have the stat drops from superpower

PlatinumDude
June 25th, 2012, 08:27 PM
Tornadus-T is actually really good. Well the set I'm running anyways.

Tornadus-T @Life Orb
Timid (+Spe; -Atk)
Regenerator
4 Hp / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Air Slash
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Heat Wave
- Focus Blast

In Rain, Hurricane would be the better option. But Heat Wave has to be switched out for U-turn.

Perrie ✿
June 25th, 2012, 08:32 PM
Well yeah Hurricane > Air Slash if you're running Rain. Heatwave gives it great coverage against Ferro & Co. though. Focus Blast doesn't OHKO + HW hits Scizor + Forry

Also, just because I wanted to use an Elemental punch on Conkeldurr I replace SE/Payback with Ice Punch. I honestly thought it would flop but amazingly it didn't. I've had people switch in Landorus and the likes thinking I'll switch and I end up OHKO'ing them with Ice Punch. Loses to Volcarona though.

potent445
June 26th, 2012, 12:33 AM
Aparently the Sould Dew has been released. This is good and bad. Latias now counters most members of rain teams but also means its extremely broken if your running a calm mind varient.
Latios is even more broken offensivly

Forever
June 26th, 2012, 12:41 AM
@previous posts: Has PO been updated with the new stuff yet? I DIDN'T SEE AN UPDATE IS THIS SMOGON EXCLUSIVE? :(

And as for Latias/Latios they'll go back to uber imo.

potent445
June 26th, 2012, 01:36 AM
I know PO has Techloom and all the new forms but not sure about soul dew Lati@s

Forever
June 26th, 2012, 01:52 AM
Did we need to update in order to get everything? Cause I got no message telling me to update. :(

Exile
June 26th, 2012, 03:49 AM
Did we need to update in order to get everything? Cause I got no message telling me to update. :(

Uhh idk I think you can still battle without the update and the only server you can do BW2 battles on atm if beta iirc, the pkmn will just show up as their regular sprites though, like torno-t will just look like tornado but still have torno-t stats and abilities.

PlatinumDude
June 26th, 2012, 04:28 AM
Okay, I think this would be good news for all of you: Imposter Ditto is one of the Hidden Hollow Pokemon!

A lot of people (including me) were disappointed that Ditto didn't win the event DW poll, but Imposter Ditto is now available to us!

potent445
June 26th, 2012, 04:45 AM
I don't know what to think of imposter ditto. It's a great revenge killer but I don't know if I like not being able to set up Pokemon like dragonite just to have this thing come in and sweep me. I mean it would be stupid to set up when you know your opponent has a ditto but still it effectively stops you from using one of your Pokemon to its full potential

Exile
June 26th, 2012, 05:33 AM
how is that good news .-. its just more broken **** added to the metagame

techniloom might be underwhelming though, although it does have the potential to be extremely dangerous to both defensive and offensive teams alike

Lila.
June 26th, 2012, 08:18 AM
Yeah, I'm not really excited about ditto at all... Tbh, I'm not all that excited about a lot of the changes. It's a fresh change of pace I suppose, but a lot of things are going to be changing in regards to the competitive aspect of this game in the coming months.

Forever
June 26th, 2012, 08:24 AM
I never wanted Ditto in the first place really. Having to have a check to all the Pokemon in your team, ugh. :(

I'd much rather have like, move tutors, then a few months later DW abilities are all released then it might be a bit easier to adjust to but now it's like everything idk so many changes.

mystletainn
June 26th, 2012, 11:00 AM
I don't know if any of you saw but Multiscale Lugia/Regenerator Ho-oh are being released in that AR searcher game. Only relevant to Ubers players but interesting to say the least.

Perrie ✿
June 26th, 2012, 11:24 AM
Imposter Ditto wasn't that much of a problem for me when I played in DW OU. It was full of Shadow Tag Chandelure, Technician Breloom, Prankster Liepard and mostly just the random Serperior, Sceptile etc. Although when I did run into one it wasn't that hard to take down. I probably just got lucky since I've heard that they can sweep entire teams, lmao.

Dark Azelf
June 26th, 2012, 12:45 PM
lol Imposter ditto will stop newbs setting up dd 6 times, played against it its really not that good.

(21:15:49) Elfnan the barbarian: its not that hard to thwart
(21:15:55) Elfnan the barbarian: though if you see it in team preview dont set up
(21:16:03) Elfnan the barbarian: plus with sr and no lefties its kinda lol
(21:16:16) Elfnan the barbarian: dat 300 hp stat

Exile
July 6th, 2012, 11:00 AM
just gonna tell everybody not to download PO v2 until PC's server has unless we're switching to PS because its apparently bad and has 2 separate registries, meaning servers equipped with PO v2 only show up to PO v2 users so you wont be able to see pc's server if you upgrade

tj4bigred
July 7th, 2012, 05:42 PM
just gonna tell everybody not to download PO v2 until PC's server has unless we're switching to PS because its apparently bad and has 2 separate registries, meaning servers equipped with PO v2 only show up to PO v2 users so you wont be able to see pc's server if you upgrade

I downloaded it into a separate folder for now, and it still has some pretty serious bugs to work out, so PC shouldn't update anytime soon.

First, the Therian formes appeared as [Normal][Normal] types for some reason, and take damage accordingly. Also, from what I played, Lum, pinch, and type effectiveness berries didn't work at all, so I'm inclined to believe none of the berries work. I was randomly disconnected from the PO server several times, and couldn't reconnect.

That's just what I got from yesterday, and I doubt they've been fixed yet. Stick with the previous versions of PO for now. >_<

wolf
July 11th, 2012, 03:43 PM
What should we do with the server? Should we update to PO2, keep it the way it is, or convert to Pokémon Showdown? I would rather change to PS because it seems like a higher quality simulator, and I hear it's easier to make mods for it (i.e. create fake Pokémon).

PlatinumDude
July 11th, 2012, 04:48 PM
What should we do with the server? Should we update to PO2, keep it the way it is, or convert to Pokémon Showdown? I would rather change to PS because it seems like a higher quality simulator, and I hear it's easier to make mods for it (i.e. create fake Pokémon).

I think we should move to Pokemon Showdown. I liked how they integrated the moving Pokemon sprites and some form of attack animation to make battles look more interesting to the eye. It also doesn't lag much.

Lila.
July 11th, 2012, 05:09 PM
PS is in a beta stage right now so it's REALLY laggy. I think that we should stay with po version 1.0.60 for now until pokemon showdown upgrades to a better version. The problem with PO version 2 is that most people haven't downloaded it as it is incompatible with older versions of po...

vaporeon7
July 11th, 2012, 05:20 PM
If we move to PS, then I might actually be more active here. From what I've used on PS, it is really quite good.

...the Challenge Cup is a lot better too.

PlatinumDude
July 11th, 2012, 05:22 PM
PS is in a beta stage right now so it's REALLY laggy. I think that we should stay with po version 1.0.60 for now until pokemon showdown upgrades to a better version. The problem with PO version 2 is that most people haven't downloaded it as it is incompatible with older versions of po...

Huh, I could've sworn that Showdown was working fine for me. I haven't bothered downloading the latest PO, so I'll stick with Showdown for now.