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Lance
August 10th, 2011, 09:16 PM
I'm making this now so i can get any perspective changes and alterations added before fall semester.

That being said, this thread's purpose is to generate feedback about Other chat and to brainstorm solutions and new ideas to spice the forum up a bit. Basically, post any and all things you think of when you think of Other Chat, and how to improve it.

Possibilities include:



New forum name?
More emblems?
Thread ideas?
Get-Together events?
Rules & changes?


Any and all ideas, please please please post them and let's come up with some new additions for Other Chat. VM or PM me with any questions.

Mariah Carey
August 10th, 2011, 09:39 PM
No more emblems. Like I said on the blog, we don't need any more emblems. However, I am willing to say they'd be fine if they were for important events/achievements in the Other Chat section. I can't really define important, it'd have to be what the community defines it it as.

Kyoko
August 10th, 2011, 10:17 PM
I feel like the name "other chat" is too vague in a way. A lot of the threads in here deal with current events or big news stories so maybe a name similar to that? Something like "Current Events/Issues" or "News Discussions" etc. I get that sounds kinda dull and will throw people off who don't pay attention to politics or news stories, but also the same people who always post here will stay because they already know what's posted and participate anyway. I'm sure a better/more creative name could be chosen than what I suggested, but you see what I mean.

That's my two cents :)

Oryx
August 10th, 2011, 10:25 PM
Gonna throw Sydian's name onto the thread so people can comment on it as well since it's so good:

Debates and Discussions.

Debates for all those serious topics that get heated, discussions for everything else. :3

Anders
August 11th, 2011, 01:51 AM
I think making it an entirely different section would make sense. It seems to be all debates and news, and ovp seems to be what would be an 'other chat' section on other forums. The two would be more easily distinguished with other chat having that title, as it is now it's easy for threads to be able to exist in both, an example being the ipod thread which has the quality of every ovp thread I've seen but it's been in other chat for days most likely due to the debate quality it has. Making this just a debate and news section doesn't seem like it would change much while being more true to what the section is.

Cherrim
August 11th, 2011, 03:15 PM
Less stickies (omg so many ._., maybe try merging the pictures threads again?) and maybe some events. Emblems shouldn't... reaaaally be introduced for the sake of having emblems but take a look around and see what you think needs to be encouraged, and make and advertise some emblems for it to see if it gets people doing them.

Team Fail
August 11th, 2011, 03:31 PM
I'm kinda unsure of any events we can hold here. But it'd be fun to see if we could hold a contest for the most interesting news article or something. idk

Bluerang1
August 11th, 2011, 03:40 PM
Debates and Discussions sounds good. And more Get-Togethers.

Mr Cat Dog
August 11th, 2011, 03:46 PM
Less stickies is a definite. It's a cliché, but less is definitely more.

Captain Fabio
August 11th, 2011, 03:51 PM
Agreed with Lightning and Mr Cat Dog, less stickies please! :3
Emblems you are fine with, otherwise there could be just topics made for the sake of hoarding them and not for discussion.
Events would be tough I think, unless you have some existing ideas! :3

Either way, I know you will do the best thing for the board, Love_Wire. I would be happy to lend a hand bro, if you need it! :3

Guy
August 11th, 2011, 04:05 PM
I've had this thought in my mind for a little over a week now, but what about debate teams? We could have sort of like a weekly topic that can generate a healthy debate between two teams. Each team can consist of anywhere between three to six people each. To keep the debate intact and not lose focus or get anywhere nasty, we could have about two or three judges. They watch over the debate, keep the teams in check, and by the end of the debate they judge and deem the team who had the better stand of arguments winner for that week's debate topic. The members within the teams can alternate each week, that way it's not the same people debating every time so long as they're willing to participate. It also doesn't have to be weekly, but every other week or maybe monthly.

Avey
August 11th, 2011, 04:07 PM
I've had this thought in my mind for a little over a week now, but what about debate teams? We could have sort of like a weekly topic that can generate a healthy debate between two teams. Each team can consist of anywhere between three to six people each. To keep the debate intact and not lose focus or get anywhere nasty, we could have about two or three judges. They watch over the debate, keep the teams in check, and by the end of the debate they judge and deem the team who had the better stand of arguments winner for that week's debate topic. The members within the teams can alternate each week, that way it's not the same people debating every time so long as they're willing to participate. It also doesn't have to be weekly, but every other week or maybe monthly.

this would be pretty awesome but there would have to be strict moderation to keep it going. also the organisation of it would have to be down to a tread because if one factor was left out, this sort of thing would easily crash and burn

Lance
August 11th, 2011, 06:07 PM
Less stickies (omg so many ._., maybe try merging the pictures threads again?) and maybe some events. Emblems shouldn't... reaaaally be introduced for the sake of having emblems but take a look around and see what you think needs to be encouraged, and make and advertise some emblems for it to see if it gets people doing them.


I was actually planning on merging the pictures threads into one, big post & discuss thread. Sound good?

Jak
August 11th, 2011, 06:15 PM
- Like I said in the blog, Debates & Discussions for a new name would be great. Kyoko's name suggestions are nice too. As it's been stated though, Other Chat is just too vague.
- Less stickies. This place didn't have so many before, and now there's a lot and it's like...slfjdkla idk. It feels cluttery. Merging the picture threads like you said sounds good.
- Don't think any emblems are necessary, but if there's a high demand for them (though there doesn't seem to be) perhaps one for being a good debater and sticking with your choices on things and defending them well.
- Get-Together events are hard to come up with for OC...I like Hiiro's idea, but maybe have it as a GT event? Like Rekky said, it'd need better moderation. And I don't think you'd wanna be having to give it that attention if it were going on all the time. You've got your hands full enough, really.

That's all I really have to say. :)

marz
August 11th, 2011, 06:23 PM
ngl I don't want you to change anything. Esp not the forum name, Other Chat is basically exactly what's going on here.. I'm not sure what emblems you're giving out, I only know of the one where your thread got 100+ replies, but I wouldn't add any other unless it's actually for something accomplishable.

A good Get-Together event would be a (or multiple) debate event(s). But it'd be tough to keep contained, cause you don't want random people jumping in at random times. You'd have to have certain people setup debate topics, and have debaters sign up, either for or against the topic at hand -- say, 3 people per team. And then they debate it out until the organizer of that debate decides there is a winner. And then, that team would win an emblem.

Actually, the 3 strikes rule is not very effective when the punishment is being banned from a particular thread. Cause that means I can just go troll around in a thread I don't actually care about, get 3 strikes and never even have an inkling to go back to that thread. But if the 3 strikes were to ban you from posting in the entire forum... Only problem is, that'd be really hard to keep track of, unless you actively update yourself on that user's recent posts.

Melody
August 11th, 2011, 06:25 PM
What the hell is with everybody's hard-on about less stickies? Seriously OC DOES NOT HAVE A STICKY PROBLEM!

Nor does anywhere else.

I also STRONGLY oppose a name change. I want debate threads isolated to a subforum so they can be more easily moderated, and in such a subforum, new thread mod approval can be easily activated without ruining the ORIGINAL point of OC. We're getting dangerously close to the Thunderdome v2, and you all CANNOT deny that...but with proper moderation we WONT have another Thunderdome.

More emblems are a plus but there doesn't have to be many more. 1 or 2 new emblems would be fine, especially ones for good debate topic starters, ect.

Lance
August 11th, 2011, 06:31 PM
What the hell is with everybody's hard-on about less stickies? Seriously OC DOES NOT HAVE A STICKY PROBLEM!

Nor does anywhere else.

I also STRONGLY oppose a name change. I want debate threads isolated to a subforum so they can be more easily moderated, and in such a subforum, new thread mod approval can be easily activated without ruining the ORIGINAL point of OC. We're getting dangerously close to the Thunderdome v2, and you all CANNOT deny that...but with proper moderation we WONT have another Thunderdome.

More emblems are a plus but there doesn't have to be many more. 1 or 2 new emblems would be fine, especially ones for good debate topic starters, ect.


Having personally read almost all the threads in the T-dome, I can safely say we're no way even close to some of the atrocities I've seen in there yet.


I like having a lot of stickies. Makes the forum look bigger, etc. :<

Kevin
August 11th, 2011, 06:39 PM
I dunno what types of Get-Togethers you guys can host here, but it'd be fun to see some. Maybe play some onlines games (the ROM hacking forum had that for Get-Togethers).

But it does need a new name (Debates and Discussions). And the number of stickies seem fine to me (Emulation has a whole lot so I'm used to it).

Jak
August 11th, 2011, 06:46 PM
I dunno what types of Get-Togethers you guys can host here, but it'd be fun to see some. Maybe play some onlines games (the ROM hacking forum had that for Get-Togethers).

He meant events that were OC-type. Playing games is more VG or PGC related.

I also STRONGLY oppose a name change. I want debate threads isolated to a subforum so they can be more easily moderated, and in such a subforum, new thread mod approval can be easily activated without ruining the ORIGINAL point of OC. We're getting dangerously close to the Thunderdome v2, and you all CANNOT deny that...but with proper moderation we WONT have another Thunderdome.

Thread approval for OC doesn't seem like a good idea. Thread approval is only for sections that have a certain standard on how threads should be posted. That's not to say OC doesn't have standards, but looking at the threads in Emulation and Challenges, you'll see what I mean. Those have a certain criteria to meet, so it's better to have them under approval. Plus, more threads are created in OC daily than the thread approval forums (as far as I know, probably excluding Emulation in that though).

You make it sound like OC is a wreck right now, saying it's nearly T-Dome quality. I haven't read the T-Dome stuff, but I trust Live's judgement in that it's not. Plus if it were, h-staff would have taken a more immediate action in OC.

Mariah Carey
August 11th, 2011, 08:41 PM
The debate team will never work, given PC's less than outstanding ability to handle other posters opinions, for starters.

QuilavaKing
August 12th, 2011, 11:29 AM
Well, unless you can actually bring in more traffic, I think the section is pretty good as it is.

Esper
August 12th, 2011, 12:09 PM
Merge OC, OVP and C&M together into one super forum. But, more seriously, could we have some more lighthearted chat in OC? Most of the time that I have an idea for a thread I want to make I find it seems more suited for OVP because either it's not too serious (and OC has a more "serious" vibe to it) or I don't expect it would generate too much discussion (even if I think there's the potential for a lot of discussion). I suppose that's second reason is my own fault for not giving OC as many chances.

Have you though of doing what's going on in OVP and having a 'thread of the week'? That would mean more stickies though and people seem to hate those. :/

Bluerang1
August 12th, 2011, 04:17 PM
^Valid point about more lighthearted discussions. But those aren't interesting, I tried, or maybe the subject just isn't so hot (Myths thread) xD

Oh and I love the Debate Team suggestions! It could be like a tournament and non-debaters could vote for who they' like to win. More than two teams obviously for a tournament it needs to be more than 2 teams.

Cherrim
August 12th, 2011, 05:51 PM
What the hell is with everybody's hard-on about less stickies? Seriously OC DOES NOT HAVE A STICKY PROBLEM!

Nor does anywhere else.
When I load a page and have to PgDn twice to see the non-sticky threads, then yes... yes, there is a problem. :/ Mind you, that's on a netbook (though with a full maximized browser), but anyone browsing on a mobile device would have the same problem. Too many stickies means the really important ones get lost in the mass of them. Any more than 4 and I find it hard to read each one in the list and it's more unlikely I'll bother with anyone. 3 is ideal for me, though.

Lance
August 12th, 2011, 08:35 PM
^Valid point about more lighthearted discussions. But those aren't interesting, I tried, or maybe the subject just isn't so hot (Myths thread) xD

Oh and I love the Debate Team suggestions! It could be like a tournament and non-debaters could vote for who they' like to win. More than two teams obviously for a tournament it needs to be more than 2 teams.

Please, make more lighthearted discussions then. If enough people are on board, then we can begin to shift to focus away from serious topics. But that means I need the members help - Don't make a thread simply because it's controversial, and don't post so much in the ones that already are. OP's especially should really tend to (by that I mean Post intelligibly) and watch the threads they make so they can make them successful.

Anders
August 12th, 2011, 08:40 PM
OP's especially should really tend to (by that I mean Post intelligibly) and watch the threads they make so they can make them successful.

I love that you said that because I don't see a lot of people do it. I always go back to threads I've made and post something responding to somebody else, because I want more people to see it. I like the topics I make so I always want to see more posts about it.

Oryx
August 12th, 2011, 08:49 PM
What makes lighthearted discussion so hard is that it's the controversy that fires people up enough to come back to a thread over and over and discuss, which makes it difficult to stir up enough interest in a lighthearted thread to make it an actual discussion and not just OVP material, post and go.

But I'll make an effort to make/reply to lighthearted threads too! /salute

Lance
August 12th, 2011, 08:53 PM
I love that you said that because I don't see a lot of people do it. I always go back to threads I've made and post something responding to somebody else, because I want more people to see it. I like the topics I make so I always want to see more posts about it.

That's the one thing I wish people did more. From what I've seen, if they word the thread correctly, and if they follow it close enough, you can really direct the tone and nature of the thread, and then build it to a nice 100+ post thread worthy of the 'Discussion master' emblem.

Melody
August 12th, 2011, 11:55 PM
Having personally read almost all the threads in the T-dome, I can safely say we're no way even close to some of the atrocities I've seen in there yet.


I like having a lot of stickies. Makes the forum look bigger, etc. :<

True, we aren't there yet. But allowing controversial topics, is like allowing tinder near a fire. It could happen to a thread when no staff around are able to act on it. (Mods of other sections perhaps?)

I don't want to see the whole debates allowed thing go up in smoke, we all know how obsessively your predecessor obliterated such topics. She was in her right to do so but I like being able to debate serious things from time to time. It provides good discussion and I don't like the prospect of that failing again.

Bluerang1
August 13th, 2011, 05:02 AM
As for the stickies issue, I don't mind them so much but I see what people mean. So let's remove "Seasonal Editions" from the Daily Chit-Chat and The Pairing Thread can be somewhere else, maybe OVP.

Katholic Nun
August 13th, 2011, 06:00 AM
Please, make more lighthearted discussions then. If enough people are on board, then we can begin to shift to focus away from serious topics. But that means I need the members help - Don't make a thread simply because it's controversial, and don't post so much in the ones that already are. OP's especially should really tend to (by that I mean Post intelligibly) and watch the threads they make so they can make them successful.

I'm not opposed to lighthearted discussions, but I personally wouldn't want to see the focus shift away from serious topics. If we don't discuss serious things here, where would be discuss them? That's the fun part of coming to Other Chat, getting fired up into a debate! Besides, I think a forum full of light-hearted chatter would have a higher probability of degenerating into nonsense and spam.

JinRazielGames
August 13th, 2011, 06:32 AM
Rules change, then Topic ideas.
I've got a tons of em in my head.
The Rules are pretty strict here, i suppose it the strictness must lessen.

Lance
August 13th, 2011, 07:43 AM
The Rules are pretty strict here, i suppose it the strictness must lessen.

No, no, and no. Members here have enough trouble as is with following the rules, lessening them would only complicate things and devolve the arguments here even further.



Also guys, we do kinda have a DCC emblem?

http://www.pokecommunity.com/images/templates/emblems/forumspecific/navi.png The Navi Award
You chatter as much as Navi does! ...Is that really a good thing?
Awarded: January 13th, 2011 02:41 AM

Mariah Carey
August 13th, 2011, 02:55 PM
Can I suggest that we don't make any more seasonal themed DCC's? Just make the one thread at the start of the year and leave it at that.

Guy
August 14th, 2011, 03:22 AM
Can I suggest that we don't make any more seasonal themed DCC's? Just make the one thread at the start of the year and leave it at that.
The reason why we decided on Seasonal DCC's was because one thread for the year became rather big in that matter of time. That said, not everyone wanted to join in on conversations in the DCC, because of its large size, feeling intimidated, and the fact that they might be ignored or their post might get lost in the conversation. So, we refresh it every time a new season comes in to help that situation.

Ascaris
August 14th, 2011, 06:05 AM
just gonna copypaste what i posted on your blog

get rid of other voting polls. create a new forum called debate or discussion or anything along those lines. current ovp topics and dcc can be in other chat. discussion and debate threads will go in, obviously, the debate and discussion forum.

Anders
August 14th, 2011, 12:42 PM
The reason why we decided on Seasonal DCC's was because one thread for the year became rather big in that matter of time. That said, not everyone wanted to join in on conversations in the DCC, because of its large size, feeling intimidated, and the fact that they might be ignored or their post might get lost in the conversation. So, we refresh it every time a new season comes in to help that situation.

That doesn't make any sense. The number of pages doesn't have any bearing on the current conversation and how fast it's going.

Lance
August 14th, 2011, 07:20 PM
That doesn't make any sense. The number of pages doesn't have any bearing on the current conversation and how fast it's going.

If you wanted to look back in the thread, it would be a bit of a pain in the ass to look back through hundreds of pages like the DCC's of old.

-ty-
August 16th, 2011, 12:59 PM
I wish there was a way we could discuss more serious and controversial issues without starting flame wars. I personally do not have much interest in some of the light-hearted issues, although I do acknowledge that some people really enjoy more light-hearted discussions. Perhaps the responsibly to be mature and respectful with responses should be in the hands of each individual member. I think that the person that starts the thread also has a responsibility to help make the atmosphere of the discussion productive rather than making personal attacks/reciprocating personal attacks. This way, the first members that start to get off-track and disrespectful can either be warned or get a strike in order to prevent a snowball effect into a multi-member flame war! I might also suggest that those whom received strikes for rude and disrespectful comments may not be ideal for starting threads; should that privilege be taken away from those members if they have been involved with conflicts?

I thought that the debate events would be an interesting idea. I am not sure how these events would be judged, or how to carryout such an event with organization, but it sounds interesting.

BTW... I like the pic threads being merged! Hope my suggestions/thoughts help.

Netto Azure
August 16th, 2011, 02:42 PM
Change the name to your recommendation. Dungeons and Dragons D&D! :P

But yeah I checked all of the above on the poll. I would love to see political discussion here promoted rather than put down just because people don't want to come into an agreement. :/

Mr. Downstairs
August 17th, 2011, 05:32 PM
Perhaps the pairing thread should be relocated to OVP, maybe? Given the nature of the thread, it seems like an appropriate place for such a thread since it isn't a discussion thread and has the same (again) nature in posting once (or more if you like to change pairs like you change your socks) and then go, not really bothering to pay attention to other posts other than copying the prior pair names. </awesomerunon>

Chikara
August 17th, 2011, 05:54 PM
I kinda thought that the pairing thread would do a little bit better in OT? Cause it's not a discussion so it doesn't really belong in OC, and it's not really a thing to be voted on so... And pairing is just something fun that users on the forum do, so it won't exactly be out of place.

But then again, OT has so many stickies already fffffffu.

Lance
August 17th, 2011, 07:35 PM
Perhaps the pairing thread should be relocated to OVP, maybe? Given the nature of the thread, it seems like an appropriate place for such a thread since it isn't a discussion thread and has the same (again) nature in posting once (or more if you like to change pairs like you change your socks) and then go, not really bothering to pay attention to other posts other than copying the prior pair names. </awesomerunon>

I always wondered why it was here too, tbqh.

LightOfTruth
August 22nd, 2011, 06:50 AM
I usually post here and OVP when there is something I like to discuss on the forum, Never get the will to start a new thread here through :)