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Kura
September 20th, 2011, 02:23 PM
I recently found this List of Failed States and I thought it was interesting. Although these statistics are a little old, I'd thought I'd share.

A failed state has several attributes. Common indicators include a state whose central government is so weak or ineffective that it has little practical control over much of its territory; non-provision of public services; widespread corruption and criminality; refugees and involuntary movement of populations; sharp economic decline. Since 2005, the index has been published annually by the Fund for Peace.

12 factors are used by Fund For Peace to ascertain the status of a country, including security threats, economic implosion, human rights violations and refugee flows.

Failed States Stats for 2010:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Failed-states-index-2010.png/800px-Failed-states-index-2010.png

Red= Alert
Orange= Warning
Grey= No Information / Dependent Territory
Yellow= Moderate
Green= Sustainable


What are your thoughts on this? I'm actually both.. shocked and not shocked at the same time. I know that a lot of countries are facing economical and civil strife, but seeing it coloured like that makes me just say "Wow!"

Lalapizzame
September 20th, 2011, 03:13 PM
Ireland stabler than almost every other Western country in the world? A splendid joke to tell!

I'm not surprised at most of these ratings. Of course, Greece would be changed to "warning" level if it were updated for 2011.

Also, I'm wondering why Kaliningrad, a small Russian enclave north of Poland, has a separate color from the rest of Russian territory.

Lance
September 20th, 2011, 06:40 PM
Notice Iraq and Afghanistan there on alert. Hmmm.

If this isn't 2011 updated, then expect most, if not all, of these to be much worse in actuality.

Lalapizzame
September 20th, 2011, 07:12 PM
I'm not surprised, considering Iraq and Afghanistan are indeed the wolves' den for corruption and complete ineptitude.

I doubt most countries will get worse. The only category that Western countries can fufill is economic chaos, and it's not even that bad to be considered something a failed state would have. Egypt, Greece, and Ireland would almost certainly face declines though. Syria too, possibly. Assuming this is a relative index, not many countries will decline, except those facing insolvency or civil chaos. I don't mean insolvency like the United States, I mean it like Greece's scenario. Civil chaos should be applied when referring to revolutions.

Esper
September 21st, 2011, 08:28 AM
Wikipedia has a 2011 map.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Failed-states-index-2011.png/800px-Failed-states-index-2011.png
[larger version here (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Failed-states-index-2011.png)] [article and more info her (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Failed_States_Index)e]

It would seem that since '05 some Eastern European and East African countries have improved their lots. Iceland's slipped into yellow though. Must have been that banking fiasco. I don't think I see any new red though, which is good news. I wish there were more colors though. Greece isn't shown any worse off according to this map, but then again it's still a lot better off than Eqypt or the rest in orange.

I'm with Kura in that I'm surprised by this and not. I know that there are lots of places around the world which are terribly dysfunctional, but all the orange makes me feel like it wouldn't necessarily be a good idea to travel anywhere that wasn't at least in yellow. Wish there was more of a breakdown by category so you could see where corruption was the bigger factor and so on.

Lalapizzame
September 21st, 2011, 04:09 PM
Greece is on the brink of default and civil unrest has been apparent for months now, with corruption not unlikely and the political circumstances leading almost nowhere. I still find it highly amusing that Ireland is considered sustainable, considering its recent economic implosion and destruction of the pride it once had as the Celtic tiger.

Zet
September 21st, 2011, 08:25 PM
Queensland, Australia is green? what madness is this!? It is a horrible state with the worst education system and super crazy road laws.

TRIFORCE89
September 21st, 2011, 08:30 PM
Well, it makes sense. Canada and Australia are a-ok.

I'm surprised in that I thought there would be more red

Gold warehouse
September 22nd, 2011, 09:18 AM
I still find it highly amusing that Ireland is considered sustainable, considering its recent economic implosion and destruction of the pride it once had as the Celtic tiger.

This immediately struck me as well. Along with the fact Russia is considered as bad as places like China

I'm not surprised really. The world is in a bit of a state. It is quite a simple map though, 12 factors aren't very many.

Ryoutarou
September 22nd, 2011, 10:18 AM
Given its history, I'm surprised more of Africa isn't in the red, though the Horn being in all red makes sense, probably the most unfortunate area in the world along with North Korea.

Team Fail
September 22nd, 2011, 09:35 PM
\o/ Canada is in the green.

But I'm surprised that there aren't more countries like that. I think that if it weren't for the greedy people that want all the money in Africa, it might be in better shape than it currently is.

And you have to wonder why people are starving there... It's mostly because of the greedy powerful people that just want money and nothing more. I'd be happier, however, if more countries were in the green.

Lalapizzame
September 22nd, 2011, 10:20 PM
Africa would be even more backward and undeveloped if "the greedy people that want all the money in Africa" abandoned it. I would not be surprised if they had considered it already, considering the corruption and antiquity of African countries. Africa brought it upon itself with its instability, tendency towards war, backwardness, and lack of effective government.