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deoxys121
October 21st, 2011, 08:01 PM
“How do you feel about open homosexuals tending to your child in a health care setting? Do you think these folks provide good role modeling at a time when your child is very vulnerable? I was thinking about this recently when I heard that Children’s Hospital in Columbus has a homosexual employees group called NCHARGE, which stands for Nationwide Children’s Hospital’s Advocates Representing Gay Employees. The meeting minutes of this groups reveal that they participated in last June’s gay pride parade, that they participated in a health expo on adolescent health this summer and that they’re concerned about same-sex partner benefits. They’re also planning to be identified with rainbow lapel pins.

But let’s say your eleven year-old has broken her leg rather badly and needs to be in the hospital a few days, which would you prefer: a nurse who’s proud of her lesbianism, who has rainbow identifiers on her work clothing, or a nurse who does not?

I would like to suggest that parents think long and hard about this. If you want your children to admire people who proclaim a homosexual lifestyle, they’re involvement with your child during a hospital stay is sure to be an influence. And let me be clear that folks involved in these behaviors can be certainly competent workers but they are tacking on to their workplace identity one that is highly offensive to many people and can be erroneously influential to children who won’t, or shouldn’t, see the whole picture of how this behavior really manifests itself.

Here’s what parents can do: select your pediatrician very carefully, first of all. There are a few homosexual doctors treating kids, there are far more nurses, LPNs, technicians and other health care workers in these lifestyles so you may want to consider writing a letter that you file with your pediatrician that should your child ever be hospitalized, you do not want your child to be treated or cared for by one of these members of the Children’s Hospital gay employees group except in the case of an emergency situation. But for routine in-hospital care where contact with your child would be required, your values should be respected.”Source (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/10/21/anti-gay-right-wing-activist-linda-harvey-warns-parents-not-to-let-gay-doctors-and-nurses-treat-their-children/)


This is the same person who says gay people don't exist. *facepalm* If my child were to be sick or have a broken leg or whatnot, I wouldn't care about the sexual orientation of the doctor. Since people are born with their sexual orientation (at least that's what I believe), it's not like they're going to "turn my child gay." Even if it did, I wouldn't care; there's nothing wrong with being gay. I'd much rather have a caring gay doctor than a mean, insensitive heterosexual doctor. As far as I'm concerned, if this person went to medical school and graduated, they can treat anyone.

Alli
October 21st, 2011, 08:04 PM
I personally think this woman should shut her pie hole on not only homosexual related topics, but every topic.

Mr. X
October 21st, 2011, 08:22 PM
Here's hoping that she has to go to the hospital, and the only avaliable doctors are homosexual ones.

Luck
October 21st, 2011, 08:32 PM
This thread isn't meant to be one sided at all.

you may want to consider writing a letter that you file with your pediatrician that should your child ever be hospitalized, you do not want your child to be treated or cared for by one of these members of the Children’s Hospital gay employees group except in the case of an emergency situation. But for routine in-hospital care where contact with your child would be required, your values should be respected.”

Don't know if I agree. Your values should be respected, yes, but bigotry definitely shouldn't. And I really can't think of a scenario where it isn't the latter.

Zet
October 21st, 2011, 08:33 PM
Who wouldn't want to have a doctor with a rainbow on them? Rainbow are quite awesome and very manly, and I think Linda Harvey should just shut up.



Don't know if I agree. Your values should be respected, yes, but not bigotry. And I really can't think of a scenario where it isn't the latter.
From my point of view, I think she thinks anyone who touches a homosexual becomes one.

Shining Raichu
October 21st, 2011, 08:53 PM
It's quite a wonderful feeling, really, knowing that we gays scare this woman so much. It tickles me even more that there are others out there like her. It makes me want to wear a rainbow pin and go touch each and every one of them before watching the colour drain out of their faces as they start to get the vapours and freak out at the prospect that they, too, might develop an insatiable desire for genitalia similar to their own.

I might even set up a table with bottles of disinfectant and watch them run to it, only to have them discover upon arrival that each bottle is sitting on top of a rainbow doily and does not in fact contain disinfectant, but appletini.

(=Nemesis=)
October 22nd, 2011, 01:06 AM
Yeah, because... that really helps, doesn't it? To counter fears that you're going to molest people... you're going to touch them all where they don't want you to... yeah... that'll teach them to be distrustful, won't it?

Oh. Oh wait.

-ty-
October 22nd, 2011, 02:42 AM
Yeah, because... that really helps, doesn't it? To counter fears that you're going to molest people... you're going to touch them all where they don't want you to... yeah... that'll teach them to be distrustful, won't it?

Oh. Oh wait.

Obviously he is being sarcastic; he is making fun of the unnecessary hysteria that some individuals have when it comes to gay people. Gay people should not have to prove their trustworthiness more than a straight person. In other words, homophobic people are creating their own problems; gay individuals should not have to change their lives in order to accommodate fear nor hate. People shake hands, play contact sports, and operate on others everyday, if they are not able to interact with gay individuals, then it could affect the business/employer they work for, the team they play for, or hinder the hospital's ability to cater to its patients. The thing that will teach homophobic people from the above examples are job loss, team position loss, or less prompt and quality in medical procedures.

Sadly, the same consequences will extend to their children. If a child is playing basketball against a gay player, then the child will have to sit out the game; rather than disallowing the gay child to play. It was the parent's choice to pull their kid out of the game.

Shiny Celebi
October 22nd, 2011, 06:54 AM
This is just histerical fearmongering. This woman has no idea what she is talking about and should just shut up. Whether or not a doctor is gay has nothing to do with medical treatment. What if the person were having a heart attack and the only available doctor was gay, take it or leave it? I'll bet she would take the treatment.

SwirlyBirds
October 22nd, 2011, 03:22 PM
...you have got to be kidding me. Honestly, not only does she discriminate, she sounds like she actually expects people to listen to her. It doesn't matter if doctors are strait, gay, lesbian, or green aliens from Mars. Seriously, who cares.

Shining Raichu
October 22nd, 2011, 03:32 PM
Yeah, because... that really helps, doesn't it? To counter fears that you're going to molest people... you're going to touch them all where they don't want you to... yeah... that'll teach them to be distrustful, won't it?

Oh. Oh wait.

lmao.

In other words, homophobic people are creating their own problems;

Yes, this! I could not have put it better myself. People are using their bigotry to create issues where issues do not exist. If people would learn to just shut up and stop making unnecessary problems then the world would be a much happier and calmer place.

wcdaily
October 22nd, 2011, 04:05 PM
Just reading the thread title was enough to make me face palm, really can she just shut up? I should go meet this women wearing one of the many anti-homophobic shirts, just to see her reaction, maybe go the extra mile and do what Raichu said, and poke her.

Melody
October 22nd, 2011, 04:32 PM
I should like....go to see this lady, shake her hand, maybe pat her on the back and then go..."Oh by the way I'm bi" and watch her turn shades of violet god never intended us to. xD

Mr. X
October 22nd, 2011, 04:44 PM
I'd rather my kids be treated by a happy doctor instead of a angry one.

-ty-
October 22nd, 2011, 05:30 PM
I'd rather my kids be treated by a happy doctor instead of a angry one.

lmao. Yeah, I would have to agree with this!

FreakyLocz14
October 22nd, 2011, 08:06 PM
I've never seen a doctor with rainbow identifiers on their work clothing, regardless of their sexual orientation. Parents have every right to be picky about who treats their kids, even if I personally find this reasoning ridiculous.

Esper
October 22nd, 2011, 08:15 PM
I hate when people use children as weapons in these anti-gay crusades.

I suppose we shouldn't have gay crossing guards either, or gay anyone-your-child-might-come-into-contact-with.

Zet
October 22nd, 2011, 08:20 PM
I hate when people use children as weapons in these anti-gay crusades.

I suppose we shouldn't have gay crossing guards either, or gay anyone-your-child-might-come-into-contact-with.

I hope no one tells her that there are gay teachers.

cacturne4512
October 22nd, 2011, 08:47 PM
I doubt children would even know what the rainbow on their clothing mean, and just because a doctor is gay doesn't mean they're going to molest your child. It shouldn't matter what your doctor's sexual orientation is.

PkMnTrainer Yellow
October 23rd, 2011, 04:18 PM
Freedom of speech at it's finest, where someone taking an unpopular stance on an issue like homosexuality is immediately told to stop practicing their freedom of speech (This thread) and sometimes flat out punished for it. (Hate crimes, anyone?)

The ammount of intolerance I see from the group supposedly advocating the equality of sexual orientations is the very reason I refuse to support them. Among other... smaller reasons. Point being, I'd rather be looked down on for refusing to take part in this /war/ altogether than to be associated with a group I either just don't agree with (anti-homosexuality groups) or a group known for having a tendency to put it's goals above things like our freedom and civility.

Mr. X
October 23rd, 2011, 04:32 PM
Not really. She has the right to say stupid ****, and we have the right to tell her to shut the **** up.

Esper
October 23rd, 2011, 04:48 PM
Not really. She has the right to say stupid ****, and we have the right to tell her to shut the **** up.
Or rather, we have the right to disagree with her and to criticize her argument for any flaws it has, such as the idea that children shouldn't be exposed to one perception of homosexuality (as competent medical workers) while her own perception is totally okay to encourage kids to accept.

FreakyLocz14
October 23rd, 2011, 04:51 PM
Freedom of speech at it's finest, where someone taking an unpopular stance on an issue like homosexuality is immediately told to stop practicing their freedom of speech (This thread) and sometimes flat out punished for it. (Hate crimes, anyone?)

The ammount of intolerance I see from the group supposedly advocating the equality of sexual orientations is the very reason I refuse to support them. Among other... smaller reasons. Point being, I'd rather be looked down on for refusing to take part in this /war/ altogether than to be associated with a group I either just don't agree with (anti-homosexuality groups) or a group known for having a tendency to put it's goals above things like our freedom and civility.

I agree. I'll criticize her and say how stupid I think she is until the cows come home, but I would never try to outlaw her right to say what she wishes to say.

Mr. X
October 23rd, 2011, 05:02 PM
Or rather, we have the right to disagree with her and to criticize her argument for any flaws it has, such as the idea that children shouldn't be exposed to one perception of homosexuality (as competent medical workers) while her own perception is totally okay to encourage kids to accept.

Wow, you just said the same thing I did! (Well, in more words and minus the profanity.)

I still like my way better. Much more blunt imo.

GFA
October 23rd, 2011, 05:13 PM
I'd be very uncomfortable knowing my doctor was gay. I don't want a gay guy looking at me naked. Then again, I don't want a straight guy looking at me naked. Hell, I don't want anybody looking at me naked. :P

Anyway, I can't see how a patient would know that. Not to mention having to tell the people where he worked would be profiling/an invasion of privacy and the doctor could sue for a load of money.

So meh. "What you don't know can't hurt you." (Even if that isn't actually true.)

-ty-
October 23rd, 2011, 10:04 PM
Freedom of speech at it's finest, where someone taking an unpopular stance on an issue like homosexuality is immediately told to stop practicing their freedom of speech (This thread) and sometimes flat out punished for it. (Hate crimes, anyone?)

The ammount of intolerance I see from the group supposedly advocating the equality of sexual orientations is the very reason I refuse to support them. Among other... smaller reasons. Point being, I'd rather be looked down on for refusing to take part in this /war/ altogether than to be associated with a group I either just don't agree with (anti-homosexuality groups) or a group known for having a tendency to put it's goals above things like our freedom and civility.

How is she being punished? I don't see how this is a hate crime.

If I say that a black people are gross, and I hope they do not touch me, it is not a hate crime if someone tells me that I am a racist. Although people would call me a racist, it doesn't mean that I would be a victim of a hate crime, because, by law, that hateful speech is protected. If people do not like me because of it, then they have that right. They have the right to not befriend me and criticize my beliefs (it's a two-way street as far a free speech). See how a racist causes their own problems, not the other way around? The same applies to hatred of gay people.

Also, civility and freedom is exactly what GLBT people seek when they advocate for gay marriage/equal rights. Essentially, it's like saying Martin Luther King Jr. was insensitive to racists when he demanded equal rights to black people.

I know it is a common analogy made between black rights and gay rights, but it is quite truthful.

FreakyLocz14
October 23rd, 2011, 10:14 PM
How is she being punished? I don't see how this is a hate crime.

If I say that a black people are gross, and I hope they do not touch me, it is not a hate crime if someone tells me that I am a racist. Although people would call me a racist, it doesn't mean that I would be a victim of a hate crime, because, by law, that hateful speech is protected. If people do not like me because of it, then they have that right. They have the right to not befriend me and criticize my beliefs (it's a two-way street as far a free speech). See how a racist causes their own problems, not the other way around? The same applies to hatred of gay people.

Also, civility and freedom is exactly what GLBT people seek when they advocate for gay marriage/equal rights. Essentially, it's like saying Martin Luther King Jr. was insensitive to racists when he demanded equal rights to black people.

I know it is a common analogy made between black rights and gay rights, but it is quite truthful.

It's also a highly controversial, and to many African-American, offensive analogy.

I agree that there is no hate crime being committed by either party, though I do not believe in hate crimes anyway.

Stormbringer
October 23rd, 2011, 10:21 PM
Freedom of speech at it's finest, where someone taking an unpopular stance on an issue like homosexuality is immediately told to stop practicing their freedom of speech

My guess would be because she's spewing hateful, ignorant bullcrap. This "freedom of speech" argument is so over-used, it's ridiculous. I'm sorry, you can't say whatever you please and not expect repercussions. In a court room or in the eyes of the government you have freedom of speech, but outside you really don't. Try telling off your boss next time you work and see how it goes for you.

FreakyLocz14
October 23rd, 2011, 11:02 PM
My guess would be because she's spewing hateful, ignorant bullcrap. This "freedom of speech" argument is so over-used, it's ridiculous. I'm sorry, you can't say whatever you please and not expect repercussions. In a court room or in the eyes of the government you have freedom of speech, but outside you really don't. Try telling off your boss next time you work and see how it goes for you.

*gasp* I agree with you.

Freedom of speech applies when the government is trying to restrict your speech, no matter how hateful or ignorant it is. It does not apply to private entities. For example, I can tell someone to leave my home for making racist, sexist, or homophobic remarks and they have no cause of action to sue me for violating their freedom of speech.

Another example is moderation here at PC. Someone can't sue PC for violating their freedom of speech, unless PC is getting government funding or something.

2Cool4Mewtwo
October 24th, 2011, 11:10 AM
If she doesn't like certain group of people, then she should just shut the **** up about it is all I'll say.

PkMnTrainer Yellow
October 24th, 2011, 12:21 PM
So you're admitting she has these rights under the law, but are trying to justify the fact you don't respect them anyway. Yeah... that actually doesn't work. You can disagree as hard as you want. You can even choose to mock her argument. But when you choose instead to blatantly tell her to stop exercising her freedom of speech that is not justifiable.

I for one wouldn't care /how/ absurd or obnoxious her argument was. I'd still defend her right to make it. I resent that having an opinion, a voice for your beliefs, on a controversial issue opens you up to being thought of as not deserving the same rights as everyone else.

Mr. X
October 24th, 2011, 02:32 PM
If she wants to use her rights to speak, fine. But that doesn't give her the right to spew nothing but hate speech at a group of people.

GFA
October 24th, 2011, 03:12 PM
If she wants to use her rights to speak, fine. But that doesn't give her the right to spew nothing but hate speech at a group of people.
That's sort of exactly what it does. She'll face repercussions (maybe), but that is definitely what the 1st if for. It being the ability to say as you please, even if it is wrong.