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-ty-
October 25th, 2011, 07:43 PM
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Some issues you may want to discuss on this topic:

1) Several news stories talk about gay/queer couples being forced to leave pubs, restaurants, school events and other establishments/events open to the public for some type of public display of affection (PDA).

2) Heterosexual PDA faces less judgement than homosexual PDA for many people. When a heterosexual couple holds hands, we might glance over at them, and think nothing of it. When a homosexual couple holds hands, some people get shocked/uncomfortable/upset. Many gay people are told to "tone it down" because it makes someone uncomfortable; is the it-makes-me-uncomfortable complaint enough to justify that someone stop acting out PDA? (Assuming it makes the person uncomfortable because of sexual orientation)

3) How much is too much PDA regardless of sexual orientation?

4) Many gay people fear acting out PDA for safety/harassment issues.

5) Any other ideas that you would like to expand upon!

Oryx
October 25th, 2011, 08:03 PM
I feel the same way about gay PDA that I do about straight PDA - keep it classy. I'm certainly not going to feel uncomfortable if I see a quick kiss here and there, or cuddling. But I will if it gets to inappropriate touching or making out.

This reminds me of a story: I was very young, probably around 5, and going to Disneyworld for my first time ever. My mom and dad had paid a lot of money to go there, had spent all this time booking hotels and making sure we had tickets to the right parks on the right days, etc. We got there and something related to gay pride was going on (no idea what), which didn't bother them at all, except for the fact that most gay couples there felt the need to make out with each other in public. In front of 5 year old kids. Because of this, my family had to talk to the people at the parks and find out when they wouldn't be there, just to keep us from watching a bunch of adults making out just because they can.

The difference between the two oftentimes isn't the sexuality itself. Because of discrimination and the like, homosexual couples I'm sure are more keenly aware of who can see them when they're kissing and such, which can lead to two reactions: 1. they stop doing it entirely, or 2. they go way over the top to prove a point. I really dislike the over-the-top approach, because I don't want to see two people making out in public, no matter who they are. But tbh, I'm not sure why but I find gay couples holding hands much cuter than straight couples. I can't help it. :(

Obviously I don't condone being kicked out of places merely for kissing and being gay, though.

The Noob Hacker
October 25th, 2011, 08:17 PM
1. That is absolutely ridiculous. I mean really, I'm by no means homosexual, but I am appalled that such things have been done to those people. Yet the scary thing is, I'm not even surprised. Honestly, I would expect that from most of our closed-minded society. (I know that's not a fair assumption, and in actuality most people today probably don't think like that, but the worst among us certainly do shine the brightest, unfortunately.) Not only is this an infringement upon freedom of expression, but it could technically be described as an infringement on the basis of hate and/or prejudice. It's late right now, so I can't really elaborate too much right now, although I really shouldn't have to. Besides, any justification for my thoughts would simply be redundant ramblings anyways. I haven't been checking up on these sorts of things lately, but I am surprised I haven't heard of lawsuits coming from the banned couples. That is, of course, assuming that they didn't bring those incidents into court. Yet even more sickening, a lot, or at least some portion, of those at the places where the couples were thrown out were okay with or even happy that they got thrown out. The sad thing is that if those thrown out were a straight couple, people would probably be outraged, once again assuming they aren't already. I don't know why this gets to me so much, but it simply does.

2. This can be, pretty much, summed up as a form a prejudice. It truly is just as bad as excluding people based on race or sex, as this is simply excluding people, or otherwise exert some sort of negative treatment different from anybody else, based on sexuality, obviously. For some reason, this makes me want to lead into the whole "Is homosexuality a choice or is it natural?" ordeal, simply because I have actually once heard a claim as absurd as to state that "It's okay to do these things to gay people because it's a choice!(Insert herp-derp here)" But my response to that question is not only not necessarily appropriate for the topic at hand, but also too long-winded to get into right now. If people have such a problem with gay PDA, maybe it is those people who have to leave because, personally, I see not being able to accept others as a sign of immaturity.

3. So long as clothes stay on (if you catch my very-easy-to-understand-meaning *nudge nudge*) I really don't care. Be as affectionate as you want! But that is referring to a casual situation in which the general public are present. Of course, there are situations where more extreme showings of affection are inappropriate, and some where no showings whatsoever are appropriate. But what those situations are and when they are occurring should be obvious to the semi-intelligent person.

4.That's just sad. Not them for fearing, but the fact they have been put in a situation in which they would fear to express themselves publicly. You know something's gone too far when you've got people fearing to show who they are. Screw prejudice! It's practically terrorism at that point. Perhaps terrorism is too strong a word, but I think the point still essentially stands.

PkMnTrainer Yellow
October 25th, 2011, 08:21 PM
Select all that apply, and yet you can only select one. o_O;

I deeply disapprove of making out in public. It doesn't belong there at all. Yet, I find that the best way to discourage someone from being obnoxious is not to give them attention. Some people act the way they do regarding love and sexuality because the thought of doing something forbidden gets them going. As a result, spewing hatred tends to have the ironic effect of making them enjoy doing it more, despite any insult they might show. Reason being? The more people hate them for doing it, the more forbidden it is.

Thus, I adopt a stance of not making things forbidden, but instead getting comfortable enough with the logical concept that the antics of these people are just regarded with something most akin to boredom at best and the kind of reaction you'd expect from a mature adult dealing with a kid spamming internet memes in an attempt to be cool at worst.

It's... far more effective, to be quite honest.

Regarding lesser forms of affection. It's entirely relative what is acceptable in a public setting, but the threshold is rather low regardless of sexuality. Like I said. Making out is totally inappropriate regardless of whether one is straight or homosexual. Depending on the place, it may be lower or higher as well. For instance, regardless of sexuality one should be showing little to no public affection in a restaurant. In a movie theater however, the threshold is higher. At a dance of some sort, the threshold is exceedingly high. In general though, public affection is a problem mostly because it bothers others. Homosexuality is still more forbidden than heterosexuality. The playing ground sort of isn't fair to begin with as a result. Discrimination cases are inevitable and will ... realistically never ever cease to exist. I'm just saying. World ain't perfect. We can only bash them so much before it ceases to be effective in furthering the cause.

FreakyLocz14
October 25th, 2011, 11:35 PM
Deep PDA makes me uncomfortable no matter who is doing it, but it can't be helped if some people are just uncomfortable with one or the other.

NcTheory
October 26th, 2011, 02:37 AM
The dichotomy of acceptance for homosexual and heterosexual behavior is entirely a nurtured response. When culture shock is removed from the stigma of sexuality, it is really difficult for anyone to bat a lash at other human beings in love and occasionally, albeit casually displaying it for one another, but to those with their hard-earned scales intact, it seems the end of the world.

There are more hatred for the non-heterosexuals from those uninformed and unintellectual than there is from those that are always au fait on the world around them. We see this form of uninformed nature from religious individuals, and individuals that live in locations of the world where they simply aren't exposed to it, or learn from a scale-infested creature that these behaviors are venom to their protected world.

If we were able to inform and bring a higher knowledge of modern culture to those that still lack it, and to those that loathe it, then I think the hatred toward many things considered taboo during the medieval times will be all but dulled down. It may still remain, but perhaps to a lesser degree. Tolerance is not what should be taught in people, but acceptance. You don't have to tolerate anything that you are uncomfortable with, but you do have to accept it, and accepting it is a better step-ladder to information that will eventually let an individual tolerate it.

deoxys121
October 26th, 2011, 08:31 AM
Minor PDAs of either type, heterosexual or homosexual, are just fine with me. By minor, I mean holding hands, kissing, hugging, cuddling, stuff like that. But when it comes to public making out, I know people are gonna do it, I just hope they pay attention to who exactly is around them (i.e. little kids). Admittedly, I've even done so when there was nobody or nearly nobody around.

Esper
October 26th, 2011, 11:32 AM
Am I alone in wondering if the "tone it down" and similar comments are sometimes just an excuse to confront/criticize a gay couple?

I'm not someone who is comfortable with much PDA for myself (I don't really care if other people do it), even hand holding, because I feel like I'd get singled out. Like the moment I do something even minor by PDA standards such a putting an arm around someone I'd start to expect stares or comments from strangers. I mean, I get it. It's normal for your gaze to linger on couples a little longer, but I've seen a difference in how people look at you. If you're doing anything that looks "queer" then the looks last longer and, I'd say, aren't as nice.

Kura
October 26th, 2011, 12:13 PM
I generally don't like over-the-top PDA regardless of who's doing it. Holding hands is fine, a peck on the cheek is okay, a little kiss on the lips.. sure why not?
When people start getting extra touchy-feely.. especially in a beach area; even if they're not actively rubbing against each other and they're like sitting entwined in each others legs with their groins touching then I find it just really awkward and kinda unclassy. Or the whole "let me lean over you against the wall and put my face right up to yours and start whispering on your neck" in the middle of a busy hallway just makes me want to shout "get a room!" haha.. I'm not a big fan of PDA, and when they get extreme about it like all making-outy at inappropriate times I just want to use a foghorn on them >_> LOL..
I've actually considered carrying around a mini one in my purse and secretly blowing it at people who irk me so they'll quit it and I don't have to be confrontational >___> LOL but that'd be dumb and mean so no..

But all in all, I don't care who's doing it, I just think they need to be classy about it. :3

Bluerang1
October 26th, 2011, 02:40 PM
I don't like gay PDA, I find it weird. Straight PDA is fine as long as it isn't too deep. In fact I got sick of seeing it in school today.

Tapioca
October 26th, 2011, 02:48 PM
It doesn't matter to me whether the couple is gay or straight, PDA in general makes me kind of uncomfortable. It's like saying "look. look at what you don't have" without actually saying it. Or at least that's what I hear when I see two people enjoying some face sex ):

But really, it just makes me personally not so happy. Like I said, the details of the relationship mean little to me.

-ty-
October 26th, 2011, 02:54 PM
I don't like gay PDA, I find it weird. Straight PDA is fine as long as it isn't too deep. In fact I got sick of seeing it in school today.

I do not want to sound offended, the questions are meant to be informational.

Why do you not like gay PDA, and why is straight PDA fine?

Also, how do you choose to act in a situation where a gay couple is holding hands/kissing?

Alli
October 26th, 2011, 03:11 PM
I personally don't like PDA of any kind. I don't care if you're a heterosexual, homosexual, biracial, or alien couple. I don't wanna see any of it. I can tolerate hand holding, hugging, and maybe a kiss or two, but I do not want to see people making out and practically having sex. My stance on PDA is just that. It doesn't judge by orientation or race or anything like that. It all grosses me out when it goes too far.

However, it is unfair that homosexual PDA gets called out on more than heterosexual PDA. I see more disturbing PDA from a guy and girl than I've seen from a guy and guy or girl and girl (then again, I rarely see homosexual couples here in Alabama). But yeah, I see bf/gfs making out in the mall plenty of times and being disgustingly on each other and it's just gross. Why not ask THEM to tone it down? A boy and boy should be allowed to hold hands if you're going to let something nasty like making out in public slide. PDA should be judged on what is actually going on, not what sexuality (or race, because that's also an issue from what I've seen) they are.

Alley Cat
October 26th, 2011, 03:30 PM
I have nothing against PDA, be it heterosexual or homosexual. A kiss is a kiss, regardless of who it is between. Be they black, white, old, or young, it doesn't matter. There is of course, a point when you should get a room. Holding hands? Well go for it! I do that even with people I don't like. Hugging? Sure. I hug people I like everyday. Kissing? Fine. Just don't go into a pre-sex makeout session. Not only does no one want to see that, it makes you look kind of trashy.

Gay PDA is held in a higher contempt, because a majority the people who are already uncomfortable with PDA, have strong values against pre-marital sex(or are just uncomfortable for their personal reasons). That is where their disapproval stems from, be the person straight or gay, and THEN because "gay" has been stigmatized by society, it makes them even more uncomfortable. And when you're uncomfortable, you get comfortable, yeah? So that is why people come down upon it so harshly.

I myself have not really seen a difference between the two types of PDA. As in my school, I'm the only openly gay person, male or female. When I was with my ex, the only one with objections to our PDA was his older brother. I'll admit, because it ticked him off so much, I did push it a little. Yet, that is something I disagree with, as you don't need to push it to just an extreme. Two wrongs don't make a right etc.

To sum up my feelings in one sentence: The people objecting have just as much right to be there and NOT see you kiss, than you have to be there and kiss, regardless of your sexuality.

Although, I can say, if I have the wonderful, wonderful pleasure of meeting with Westboro reps, then well, I'm probably going to be one of those people I'd yell at to get a room!

Shining Raichu
October 26th, 2011, 03:48 PM
I'm actually going to go against the grain and say I really don't mind PDA. If a couple, gay or straight, wants to sit on a park bench and make out with each other, why does that matter? If you don't like it, look away. I'm really against the idea of having to censor yourselves for what is "appropriate" and having to conform to the delicate sensibilities of what might offend people. If two people are that into each other that they can't wait until they get into private to show their affection for each other, well that's much better than the opposite in my opinion. Better they be all over each other in love than beating each other up.

That said, the moment any form of genitalia becomes involved is the moment it has gone too far. But I don't think enough people try that in public for it to really be an issue lol.

If I were involved in PDA with a guy and someone asked us to 'tone it down', I admit that I would automatically assume that it was because we were two guys. I've seen people give people straight couples weird looks, but I've never seen one be approached and asked to stop.

I don't like gay PDA, I find it weird.

I'm at the point where I read something like this and all I have is an exasperated sigh.

EDIT: It's not really "going against the grain" if you ninja me with the same opinion, Alley Cat :P

Kura
October 27th, 2011, 12:04 AM
I'm at the point where I read something like this and all I have is an exasperated sigh.

Okay I don't know if this is the right thing to interject with.. and I really don't know if reporting is actually going to do anything because it rarely does in this sort of situation, but I just want to say something regarding this:

The dude came out and said what he felt.. He was being honest. So what that it makes him feel weird? The sigh's not really necessary, is it? :C I don't mean to suddenly jump in.. but you're a mod and you would know that he's not actually saying anything derogatory.. and your reply to me felt incredibly judgmental. Maybe I'm wrong though, but that's the vibe I got. TY made this thread and there was someone who has a vastly different view than him- he wants to know why.. Exploring differing views is the point here.. and people aren't going to want to post what they actually feel if they think they're going to be looked down upon.

Hope you don't take what I say offensively.. it isn't meant to be. I just don't want an interesting thread to break out into people attacking others because they may be homophobic. Glad you understand my sentiments <3

Yoshikko
October 27th, 2011, 12:46 AM
Well it doesn't matter if the couple is gay or straight, and frankly I don't really care a lot if someone wants to make out in public, I mean they should be able to do that. But some people take it too far to the point where I'm thinking like hey, where is the common public decency? In those cases I mind, but when someone wants to make out, let them make out. I just wish people would be a little bit more subtle about it than they are.

I don't like gay PDA, I find it weird. Straight PDA is fine as long as it isn't too deep. In fact I got sick of seeing it in school today.

And it sounds to me as if you are against PDA in general, if you're saying that 'straight' PDA made you throw up the other day. And I don't think that it is the gay PDA that you mind, I think it might be homosexual people in general that you mind, otherwise why would you mind their PDA? I'm not attacking you, but it's kind of strange lol.

Zet
October 27th, 2011, 01:18 AM
I don't care if a gay couple is doing some PDA. It's just saying "hey world, I love this amazing person ^_^"; the same applies to a straight couple. But too much PDA for me would probably be sex.

Cherrim
October 27th, 2011, 02:03 AM
I pretty much dislike any kind of PDA, regardless of orientation. Like Toujours said, holding hands or a quick kiss here and there is okay but otherwise, keep it at home. <_< I think it's just polite to leave the making out and whatnot to the privacy of your own home rather than a park bench or a public bus. It always makes me uncomfortable when people are really getting into it and I have to try to look everywhere but at them. Maybe it makes me sound all bitter and single but I really dislike it.

Now I can't help but wonder if the fact that most people seem to just dislike PDA in general is a nerdy-forum-goer thing or if that's actually the norm. :/ I guess this sort of conversation just doesn't come up much for me IRL so I don't know how opinions match up. Not that I don't go to school with a bunch of nerdy forum-goers anyway.

Kura
October 27th, 2011, 02:11 AM
Now I can't help but wonder if the fact that most people seem to just dislike PDA in general is a nerdy-forum-goer thing or if that's actually the norm. :/ I guess this sort of conversation just doesn't come up much for me IRL so I don't know how opinions match up. Not that I don't go to school with a bunch of nerdy forum-goers anyway.


Really? I guess you're forgetting Mr. Cheng's class back in highschool. I know you didn't have him as a teacher but Triffy and I were in his homeroom if you remember.. and he HATED PDA with a passion because his class was in the "Makeout Hallway" haha! I don't remember if you heard him getting help with his yearbook class to make these gigantic NO PDA signs with babies faces on it. It was actually quite hilarious!
But anyways we had a discussion about it. Most people don't find it to be all that tasteful in that particular class.. but there were quite a few that didn't mind it at all. Guess it's half and halfish?

Cherrim
October 27th, 2011, 02:21 AM
That was the video editing class, right? You were all still nerds; my question stands.

Well that's good to know, though whether that hatred was mostly because he had to endure it all the time rather than just occasionally like a lot of us, I'm not sure, haha.

Kura
October 27th, 2011, 02:37 AM
Guess that's true. Best you can do is ask around *Shrug* .__. lol~

Noah Ridgewood
October 27th, 2011, 04:03 AM
I thought I was against most PDA, but after trying to explain my position, I realized I'm probably not. A high school couple holding hands and pecking before departing to go to separate classes, a couple at the movies making out, I don't have a problem with. As long as you're upright and have your organ in your pants, I don't have a problem with whatever you're doing - gay, straight, biracial, or alien.

2Cool4Mewtwo
October 27th, 2011, 01:59 PM
I don't hate gays are anything, but I am disgusted when I see gay PDAs. If they want to be "sexually pleased" with whatever they're doing, they can just do it in private. It's not really that hard. I actually find it disturbing even when gays hold their hand together like a boy & girl couple. (kissing... I can't even fathom at that point). Maybe I even dislike straight PDAs, they should keep their "love" to themselves, but gay PDAs are flat disturbing to me.

But please understand that I've grown up in a fairly conformist society where being gay is deemed as "bad." During my Freshman year, I do remember a gay kid in my school running away for about a year because he was "found out." Everybody made fun of him and I was compelled to because everybody else did, but I resisted. I didn't want to "relegate" to lower level of thinking and make fun of someone that just isn't "normal." (By the way, he came back 2 years later, but then everybody realized that they were wrong in making fun of him - the kid still forgave them though).

The actual "belief" (if you want to call it that) came from my parents, though. From childhood I was raised to learn not to be gay, and being gay was "bad" and sacrilegious (I was born a Christian and still is, after all). Whenever we see a gay couple hugging each other or something (rarely seen in malls), my mom makes a "eww" kind of face and cringes... (not an exaggeration btw). I'm sorry if you have different belief(s), but I was conditioned to grow up this way.

Oryx
October 27th, 2011, 02:13 PM
I don't hate gays are anything, but I am disgusted when I see gay PDAs. If they want to be "sexually pleased" with whatever they're doing, they can just do it in private. It's not really that hard. I actually find it disturbing even when gays hold their hand together like a boy & girl couple. (kissing... I can't even fathom at that point). Maybe I even dislike straight PDAs, they should keep their "love" to themselves, but gay PDAs are flat disturbing to me.

But please understand that I've grown up in a fairly conformist society where being gay is deemed as "bad." During my Freshman year, I do remember a gay kid in my school running away for about a year because he was "found out." Everybody made fun of him and I was compelled to because everybody else did, but I resisted. I didn't want to "relegate" to lower level of thinking and make fun of someone that just isn't "normal." (By the way, he came back 2 years later, but then everybody realized that they were wrong in making fun of him - the kid still forgave them though).

The actual "belief" (if you want to call it that) came from my parents, though. From childhood I was raised to learn not to be gay, and being gay was "bad" and sacrilegious (I was born a Christian and still is, after all). Whenever we see a gay couple hugging each other or something (rarely seen in malls), my mom makes a "eww" kind of face and cringes... (not an exaggeration btw). I'm sorry if you have different belief(s), but I was conditioned to grow up this way.


Acknowledging that your discrimination is wrong is the first step to getting past it. What branch of Christianity are you in that takes such a strong stance on it? Even the highly traditional Catholic church is not that strict on LGBT issues.

FreakyLocz14
October 27th, 2011, 02:42 PM
I'm Catholic. My conservative tendencies tend to make me uncomfortable with all heavy PDA in general.

Game Over1375
October 27th, 2011, 02:55 PM
I'm a Christian myself (albeit my beliefs are a little...different than others). Just saying that before I say my opinion on the subject.

Light PDA I have no problem with, be it heterosexual or homosexual. As long as it is just holding hands, a hug, and/or a peck on the cheek (or even lips for that matter), it doesn't bother me in the slightest. It is when the two participants are groping and trying to eat each others' faces that I go, "C'mon people. At least get a room." That's to both heterosexual and homosexual HEAVY PDA. Honestly, who wants to see two people making out? I know I don't.

Shining Raichu
October 27th, 2011, 07:51 PM
Honestly, who wants to see two people making out? I know I don't.

A lot of people have been saying this, and it seems to be the prevailing opinion of society. But I have to wonder why it makes everybody so uncomfortable? Why is it something "nobody wants to see"?

I'm just curious as to why it's seen as so disgusting.

Kura
October 27th, 2011, 08:54 PM
A lot of people have been saying this, and it seems to be the prevailing opinion of society. But I have to wonder why it makes everybody so uncomfortable? Why is it something "nobody wants to see"?

I'm just curious as to why it's seen as so disgusting.


I just don't find the exchange of bodily fluids to be an attractive thing to watch. It's uncomfortable IMO because it's predominantly and traditionally an intimate action.

I think you can say the same thing like "Why is people having sex on the classroom floor something nobody wants to see?" well.. same reason for many people that they find the sight of others making out uncomfortable.

But then again, that's just my opinion. I can't speak for everyone.

インフェルノの津波
October 27th, 2011, 09:22 PM
I see guys and girls kiss all the time, I don't want to see them do that but I accept it. Suddenly, when they're gay its not okay...?

I find all forms of public affection disgusting to some degree, but if they're gay it doesn't change anything. Heterosexuals and Homosexuals, get a room.

Esper
October 28th, 2011, 08:11 AM
I'm curious to what extent people who don't like PDA (of whatever kind) think it's okay to confront someone about it (in other words, at what point is it "too much" and you feel someone should stop them) and how strongly they feel they should be able to confront someone (polite words, strong words, physical force, etc.).

FreakyLocz14
October 28th, 2011, 08:12 AM
Holding hands and occasional hugging isn't bad. Excessive, prolonged displays of affection are what make me uneasy.

Oryx
October 28th, 2011, 08:15 AM
I'm curious to what extent people who don't like PDA (of whatever kind) think it's okay to confront someone about it (in other words, at what point is it "too much" and you feel someone should stop them) and how strongly they feel they should be able to confront someone (polite words, strong words, physical force, etc.).

I honestly don't think it's about the amount of PDA but more the company they're in. For example, when I was in high school I saw plenty of making out on the bus to and from school. Yes, I was uncomfortable with it. Yes, I thought it was inappropriate. But no one on that bus was really innocent, so I didn't feel the need to lecture them on it and try to get them to stop.

If, however, I was a parent of a small child and saw people making out, I might feel the need to request they tone it down in front of the kids. But I'm honestly not sure what I'd do if I requested politely and they said no, because I'm certainly not the type to start a fight over stuff, haha.

Gold warehouse
October 28th, 2011, 09:37 AM
Absolutely ridiculous if anyone says "my beliefs say this is wrong" so your beliefs are more important than the beliefs of somebody else? If you don't like it, just don't look.

Gay PDA is no different to regular PDA, I don't care about it. Hell I can sit next to two people making out and not give a damn. If you've got a serious problem with it, you're the one with the issues, not the people making out.

I'm uncomfortable in many situations, where's my special treatment?

Bluerang1
October 28th, 2011, 02:35 PM
Absolutely ridiculous if anyone says "my beliefs say this is wrong" so your beliefs are more important than the beliefs of somebody else? If you don't like it, just don't look.

Gay PDA is no different to regular PDA, I don't care about it. Hell I can sit next to two people making out and not give a damn. If you've got a serious problem with it, you're the one with the issues, not the people making out.

I'm uncomfortable in many situations, where's my special treatment?

So other people's beliefs are more important than mine? Shouldn't they respect mine also. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Shining Raichu
October 28th, 2011, 02:41 PM
So other people's beliefs are more important than mine? Shouldn't they respect mine also. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

There is a difference though. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but what they're not entitled to is to have that opinion tell other people what they can and cannot do. Unfortunately, though, we see way too much of that in society as it is.

Gold warehouse
October 28th, 2011, 02:43 PM
So other people's beliefs are more important than mine? Shouldn't they respect mine also. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Except PDA is between two people, they are doing something they believe is okay between the two of them. If you think it's wrong, and think it shouldn't ever be done, you're infringing on their rights by saying they can't do it. They're not infringing on your rights in any way.

They're not forcing you to do anything, you shouldn't force them to stop doing anything.

If you don't like smoking is it okay to say nobody should smoke in public? That's ridiculous. Live your life how you see fit and don't try and tell other people how to live theirs.

-ty-
October 28th, 2011, 03:46 PM
Well with the smoking analogy to PDA, there is a bit of a difference. In Michigan, smoking is not allowed in any restaurants and other buildings open to the public, because second-hand smoke is harmful.

However, the argument does help keep the PDA in perspective. Smoking in public could harm others, does making-out in public hurt others, children in particular?

Some say yes, because children may be exposed to the PDA's. Also, there is a varying degree of PDA. Would it be inappropriate/harmful for a child to see a couple hold hands, kiss, hug, makeout, or anything beyond that? Also, those who do not condone homosexuality with kids, would they feel like a gay couple holding hands would go against the ideologies they are trying to teach their kids?

So Here is my opinion. There are all types of different people that exist in the world. Just because a child sees a gay couple holding hands/hug/kiss, the couple did not force the child to condone homosexuality, the parent can explain to their children after seeing a gay couple that their actions are not condoned. A gay couple should not have to adjust their actions and stop those forms of PDA, but rather, it is the parent's responsibility if they want their child to not condone homosexuality.

Alli
October 28th, 2011, 03:57 PM
Some say yes, because children may be exposed to the PDA's. Also, there is a varying degree of PDA. Would it be inappropriate/harmful for a child to see a couple hold hands, kiss, hug, makeout, or anything beyond that? Also, those who do not condone homosexuality with kids, would they feel like a gay couple holding hands would go against the ideologies they are trying to teach their kids?

If I have kids, it will hopefully be in a time that homosexuality is more widely accepted. But even if it's not, I still plan on having my kids know there's nothing wrong with it. However, homo or hetero, I wouldn't want them seeing a couple making out. I wouldn't want my children thinking that's just an okay thing to do when they're of age to have a bf/gf. I just don't find it right. I mean, I'm not gonna stop people, it's not illegal to do that (as far as I know!), but I just would turn my children away and give the "it's rude to stare" talk, even though I was raised on "they're your eyes, you can look at what you wanna look at" which...got me in trouble a lot as a kid.

Shining Raichu
October 28th, 2011, 04:00 PM
I think as far as children are concerned, there is too high a price put on their innocence. I am very, very against the idea that the freedoms of adults should be restricted in the name of "protecting" children. This is particularly the case in issues like this, in things that do not directly harm the child whatsoever. Children, too, have the option of looking away if they don't wish to see something.

Oryx
October 28th, 2011, 07:06 PM
I think as far as children are concerned, there is too high a price put on their innocence. I am very, very against the idea that the freedoms of adults should be restricted in the name of "protecting" children. This is particularly the case in issues like this, in things that do not directly harm the child whatsoever. Children, too, have the option of looking away if they don't wish to see something.

Would you watch porn in the same room with a child under the idea that they can look away?

Esper
October 29th, 2011, 09:49 AM
So Here is my opinion. There are all types of different people that exist in the world. Just because a child sees a gay couple holding hands/hug/kiss, the couple did not force the child to condone homosexuality, the parent can explain to their children after seeing a gay couple that their actions are not condoned. A gay couple should not have to adjust their actions and stop those forms of PDA, but rather, it is the parent's responsibility if they want their child to not condone homosexuality.
I agree completely. I think those parents who don't want to see gay PDA are afraid they won't be able to imprint their own prejudices on their kids so they want their kids to never see gay people ever.

Would you watch porn in the same room with a child under the idea that they can look away?
Well, aren't there different kinds of porn? I don't want to jump into this topic, but I know I'd rather, for instance, let a child see some "tame" porn than some violent/bloody movie. I'd rather they watched My Little Pony or a million other things first, though.

Gold warehouse
October 29th, 2011, 10:00 AM
Would you watch porn in the same room with a child under the idea that they can look away?
This is about kissing not public sex.

Guess we should add love to the list of things children aren't allowed to know about.