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The Void
December 24th, 2011, 06:52 PM
If all of Ash's main rivals (Gary, Morrison, Paul, Barry, Bianca, and Trip) all battled together in the same tournament, who do you think would stand out as champion?

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I'm definitely going for Paul. He may have a bit of difficulty with Gary but he has way more advanced and stronger Pokemon. The second place winner would be Gary and the third place would be Trip. Yup, yup.

Charicific
December 24th, 2011, 06:58 PM
No doubt its gonna be Paul. Gary is no longer a trainer which makes Paul's win easier.......even if Gary was still a trainer...

Mr.Destructo
December 24th, 2011, 06:58 PM
Don't hate me but i would say paul would be victorious.

Hikamaru
December 24th, 2011, 07:11 PM
I'd say Paul cos he uses strong Pokemon like Honchkrow, Ursaring and Electivire.

He is also my fave of Ash's rivals with Trip and Barry coming a close second.

Kenshin5
December 24th, 2011, 07:41 PM
If you were going to include League Rivals like Morrison then at the very least include Richie, Harrison, and Tyson. Also if Gary had ample time to train up and get back into the motivation to battle I could see him as good as any Rival including Paul. I'd think his vast knowledge he would obtain while working as a professor would farther help him in how certain pokemon are and the capabilities they possess. For instance when Ash attacked Trip Frillish and it had Curse Body it wouldn't surprise me if Gary did research on various pokemon prior so he would know what too look out for. I know he didn't far all that well against Saturn Toxicroak... Paul has as much experience as any of these Rivals since he has been traveling region to region as long as Ash has. As I mention and Hikari mentioned Paul has a good deal of powerhouses. And if they met again in battle I am sure we would see yet another one. As of now I'd go with Paul with Gary slightly behind. As far as League rivals Harrison>Tyson>Morrison>Richie. Barry and Bianca both seem like sub rivals if you ask me. I haven't even seen much of a battle between her and Ash, if anything they are mostly sparring battles. Heck she even got swept by Elesa. Trip is too soon to call, from what I have seen I am not blow away by his battles.


I'd say Paul cos he uses strong Pokemon like Honchkrow, Ursaring and Electivire.

He is also my fave of Ash's rivals with Trip and Barry coming a close second.
What no love for his starter Torterra? Or his beastly Drapion(who dominated in the league match).

Hikamaru
December 24th, 2011, 08:23 PM
Well Kenshin, Trip's Servine proved to be strong - it did defeat Ash's Pikachu when it was still a Snivy. His Gurdurr put up a good fight against Cilan's Dwebble in the Club Battle Tournament and Vanillite tied against Ash's Tepig in a 3-on-3 battle. Tranquill defeated both Ash's Oshawott and Tepig with Aerial Ace while Frillish managed to defeat Ash's Snivy by taking advantage of Cursed Body. Trip also has a Lampent but it hasn't been seen since the episode where Ash's Pidove evolved into Tranquill.

Paul has really strong Pokemon as I said earlier - Honchkrow, Torterra, Drapion, Electivire, Ursaring, Magmortar, Gastrodon, Ninjask, Weavile, Aggron and Froslass among them. Paul has actually used Pokemon of every type except Dragon and Psychic.

Barry's Empoleon is tough with its Hydro Cannon. And don't forget Barry's Roserade (only appeared once) where it defeated Ash's Chimchar despite having a type disadvantage. Barry also has a Staraptor and Heracross (Barry's Staraptor hasn't been seen since its debut) along with a Skarmory and Hitmonlee he used at the Sinnoh League. Barry's team is very similar to his in-game team (assuming the player starts with Chimchar), having Empoleon, Staraptor, Roserade and Heracross, although his in-game team also has Floatzel and Snorlax.

Trip's anime team has some similarity with Cheren in the games (Cheren only has a Servine if the player starts with Oshawott). In-game Cheren has a starter (Serperior/Emboar/Samurott) strong against the player, an elemental monkey (Simisage/Simisear/Simipour) of the same type as the player's starter, as well as Unfezant, Liepard, Gigalith and Haxorus. (Trip and Cheren also share a Tranquill)

Bianca doesn't really look tough but her Pignite hits hard with Heat Crash. Also, her masculine Minccino knows Hyper Voice and it's said that her Shelmet will evolve soon. Also in the games, Bianca only has a Pignite if the player starts with Oshawott. In-game Bianca has her starter (Serperior/Emboar/Samurott) weak to the player's choice, an elemental monkey (Simisage/Simisear/Simipour) strong against the player's starter, as well as a Musharna, Stoutland, Mienshao and Chandelure.

Stephan's Sawk put up a good fight against Iris' Emolga, using Close Combat to block Attract. Even his Zebstrika defeated Bianca's Minccino easily in the Club Battle.

Yeah, I've noticed some similarities there.

Kenshin5
December 24th, 2011, 08:47 PM
Well Kenshin, Trip's Servine proved to be strong - it did defeat Ash's Pikachu when it was still a Snivy. His Gurdurr put up a good fight against Cilan's Dwebble in the Club Battle Tournament and Vanillite tied against Ash's Tepig in a 3-on-3 battle. Tranquill defeated both Ash's Oshawott and Tepig with Aerial Ace while Frillish managed to defeat Ash's Snivy by taking advantage of Cursed Body. Trip also has a Lampent but it hasn't been seen since the episode where Ash's Pidove evolved into Tranquill
It has proved strong? It lost to Snivy. Ash has also won against type advantages in the past so the tie with Tepig and Vanillite really doesn't mean a whole lot to me. The only time I thought Trip was impressive was Battle Club the following battle with Ash was alright(according to him he was experimenting). And his Servine beat Pikachu as Snivy, again I don't see this as a big of a deal as a lot of people make it out to be. Pikachu lost to Gary Eevee after beating Dragonite, Pikachu tied against Elekid after beating Regice, so Pikachu losing to Snivy after beating Latios is just another one of the poor performances of the trend at the beginning. Pikachu was recently zapped by Zekrom anyways, so good look preforming against something if you got zapped by a legendary regardless of who you are. All this being said I'd like to reserve overall judgement compared to prior characters until we have the full Unova Series shown.

PlatinumDude
December 24th, 2011, 10:07 PM
You forgot about Stephan. :-P

Anyway, I think Paul could win among Ash's rivalss because he has strong Pokemon with him.

The Void
December 24th, 2011, 11:05 PM
If you were going to include League Rivals like Morrison then at the very least include Richie, Harrison, and Tyson.
Morrison is Ash's main rival in Hoenn, not just any league rival. Gary, on the other hand, is Ash's rival in Kanto and Johto.

Jayster23
December 25th, 2011, 12:31 AM
How could you forget Richie :O

Well It'd be tough between Paul and Gary, but i'd have to say Paul because he does intense training with his Pokemon while Gray went the researcher path.

Kenshin5
December 25th, 2011, 07:01 AM
Morrison is Ash's main rival in Hoenn, not just any league rival. Gary, on the other hand, is Ash's rival in Kanto and Johto.
Ehhh not much of a rival if all you do is appear in one episode prior to the league... Which Stephan as already mentioned as being left out has already had multiple appearances even halfway through the Saga. Yeah and Gary as Ash rival through Kanto and Johto is pretty common knowledge... Also left out are other minor rivals like Nando and Conway who were rival like before the league and fought Ash in First and Third round respectively. So saying main rival is a bit of a stretch for Morrison.

Mew~
December 25th, 2011, 07:57 AM
If you were going to include League Rivals like Morrison then at the very least include Richie, Harrison, and Tyson.
While you're at it add Tobias in there too... oh wait. xD;

In all seriousness though, it is arguable that you could put him in Ash's rivals category, but at the same time they didn't interact much other than that semi final. But if you tossed Tobias in this tournament too, he'd probably murder everyone.

I don't think Bianca is strong enough just yet to put her into this tournament, that goes for Trip too. I don't see why Gary wouldn't enter, just because he isn't pursuing his old goal, whatever that actually was, doesn't mean he can't battle in his spare time.

But yeah, it's been mentioned. Gary would probably have to knowledge and skill to win, whereas Paul has those powerhouses.

Kenshin5
December 25th, 2011, 08:42 AM
While you're at it add Tobias in there too... oh wait. xD;

In all seriousness though, it is arguable that you could put him in Ash's rivals category, but at the same time they didn't interact much other than that semi final. But if you tossed Tobias in this tournament too, he'd probably murder everyone.

I don't think Bianca is strong enough just yet to put her into this tournament, that goes for Trip too. I don't see why Gary wouldn't enter, just because he isn't pursuing his old goal, whatever that actually was, doesn't mean he can't battle in his spare time.

But yeah, it's been mentioned. Gary would probably have to knowledge and skill to win, whereas Paul has those powerhouses.
Lulz if we included Trollbias he would probably kill everyone with legends.

I'd include Bianca, but I could tell you she would lose in the first round. And too me she is more of a rival of the group then a primary Ash rival. She battled Ash, was in the Fishing Competition against Cilan, then tried to catch Emolga when Iris was as well. Here team really isn't that dynamic either her Shelmet looks like it will be Accelgor that maybe or may not stay with Juniper and she will be getting Escavalier(maybe temporarily maybe for keeps maybe even both of them). Regardless her team is going to improve, but still I don't ever see her being as the upper Tier such as Gary, Paul, Trip.

Gary got some powerful pokemon himself. His starter Blastoise, Umbreon, Scizor, Electivire. I think with the battles with Team Galatic and J he was a bit rusty since he dedicated most of his time I would think to lab research and studying various aspects of pokemon. That all probably took away from honing his skills as a trainer, it's like not doing something for awhile then going back into it after a prolonged period of time. I think if he had plenty of time for such a tour he would be just as big of a threat as Paul.

As for Trip yes he has shown some good skills in battle, but it seems way too soon for a ruling. I'd like to see another battle out of him. And the lost versus Cilan Dwebble doesn't detract much from him imo since it was one on one which is a sudden death kind of match.

psyanic
December 25th, 2011, 09:17 AM
Honestly, I'd rule out Gary because he'd be so out of practice. I don't think he trains his Pokemon so much anymore, but his strategy would surely grow there's no question in that. Gary probably caught a lot more Pokemon too. I don't remember the episode, but I remember that the Oak Ranch was filled with Pokemon Professor Oak said belonged to Gary. I thought there was about 200 or so, though there were some duplicate species there. If Gary had like months to prepare himself, like Rocky or someone, then I'd say he'd be the top contender.

I'm going with Paul here. I'm pretty sure he doesn't abuse his Pokemon anymore, following the loss to Ash, so I'd think his Pokemon would grow stronger in a way. They wouldn't be physically and mentally abused so that's a plus. He's also traveled around a lot so he'd have just as much, if not more, experience as Gary.

Markichuuuuu
December 25th, 2011, 09:36 AM
It'd be between Paul and Gary. Paul has the advantage because he's still training, but Gary has to have sooo much knowledge of Pokémon at this point. If he had time to train I think he'd probably defeat Paul.

Mentalii
December 28th, 2011, 11:46 AM
Gary all the way. I can't forget the former Gary, the REAL Gary, who was really tough, a fantastic trainer, and even if I know that he's not really a trainer anymore, I choose him. And I hope he would win !

tminus89
December 29th, 2011, 09:11 PM
Assuming this is a universe where Gary continued as a trainer, Gary would definitely win. He is not only well disciplined as a trainer, but he also loves and cares so much for his Pokemon. Plus, he has a Nidoking which is definitely one of my favorite Pokemon of all time, so ya, I'm a lil bias.

The Void
December 30th, 2011, 02:06 AM
Assuming this is a universe where Gary continued as a trainer, Gary would definitely win. He is not only well disciplined as a trainer, but he also loves and cares so much for his Pokemon. Plus, he has a Nidoking which is definitely one of my favorite Pokemon of all time, so ya, I'm a lil bias.

Well he didn't and we're talking about the canon Pokemon universe here. The universe where Gary discontinued his path as a Pokemon Trainer and took the road to professorship.

Zapperz
December 30th, 2011, 02:49 AM
Id probably go with Paul/Gary cause they have strong pokes, like that giant krabby Gary has, haha!

Brittani
December 30th, 2011, 03:47 AM
Definitely Gary. Sometimes strong pokemon are not enough to win a battle. With Gary I'd think,with all his experience, he'd be able to develop a better strategy than Paul ever could. Maybe even better than any of Ash's other rivals. I'm not exactly sure but my money's on him.

drarixio
December 30th, 2011, 04:24 AM
I've thought up of two story lines.

Gary vs Paul, December 2011

Gary has seen that he automatically qualified the morning of his battle. He gathered up all his stuff and rushed to the place.
After two VERY tough battles he and Paul reach the finals. Gary hasn't battled in some time and Paul has.
In a bit Gary was defeated despite his experience and awesome Pokémon who rival Paul's in strength.
It was all because of Gary's lack of practice.
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I play table tennis and I know how it is to get back into the game without practising for some time.
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Gary vs Paul, January 2012

Gary had gone to the qualifying matches and had made the place. He had trained up hard and breezed through them. He had spent two whole months training up for this.
He had slight difficulties with Morrison's Pokémon, but because of his experience, recent practice and knowleadge he managed to beat him. Next was Barry. Barry had strong Pokémon, but Gary managed to beat him quick enough.
He was facing Paul in the finals. Paul had strong Pokémon that rivaled Gary's and some experience, but Gary's knowleadge of Pokémon, 2 years(considering 1 reigon to be a year) of experience as a trainer and 3 years experience as a Proffessor was second to none. He managed to defeat Paul after a tight match.

Kroso
December 30th, 2011, 04:26 AM
Like almost all the wonderful people here on this section of the thread,I would pick Gary due to tactics dominating almost everything else that the rivals seemingly don't have.

Charicific
December 30th, 2011, 05:06 AM
Gary being better at Strategy? Are you guys implying that Paul didn't rely on Strategy? Just Asking.....
Its Like:

Gary= Startegy/Tactics
while
Paul= Powerhouses+Strategy/Tactics .. :\

miltankRancher
December 30th, 2011, 05:08 AM
trip's potential is not yet fully shown, but i can see him not going any further. i am going for paul, because he has such a diverse set of Pokemon, great battling strategy. gary is just... cool as ever right now.

WintersDreaming
December 30th, 2011, 05:45 AM
Gary is a Pokemon researcher he knows a-lot about Pokemon: Tactics, Moves, Weakness ect. No-ones got anything on Gary. :)

Kenshin5
December 30th, 2011, 09:09 PM
Honestly, I'd rule out Gary because he'd be so out of practice. I don't think he trains his Pokemon so much anymore, but his strategy would surely grow there's no question in that. Gary probably caught a lot more Pokemon too. I don't remember the episode, but I remember that the Oak Ranch was filled with Pokemon Professor Oak said belonged to Gary. I thought there was about 200 or so, though there were some duplicate species there. If Gary had like months to prepare himself, like Rocky or someone, then I'd say he'd be the top contender.

I'm going with Paul here. I'm pretty sure he doesn't abuse his Pokemon anymore, following the loss to Ash, so I'd think his Pokemon would grow stronger in a way. They wouldn't be physically and mentally abused so that's a plus. He's also traveled around a lot so he'd have just as much, if not more, experience as Gary.
Pretty sure around the Diglett episode he had around 60+ and Ash had like 9. Gary has quite a lot of selection to choose from there is no doubt about that. The thing is how powerful would they be, since last we saw him they seemed lack luster.

Paul would have more battle experience per say. But for all we know Gary does a good deal of field research and intel on all things pokemon so he knows the ebb and flow of most known pokemon at that point of the battle, so that would give him a bit of experience with how they operate which helps him analyze how they would do vs. his pokemon in battle.

But yeah regardless of his knowledge he is out of practice as said many times over so Paul being the expert technician he is watches his prior matches and analysis tactics to counter them like he did with Ash during their battle at Lake Acuity. If he fought Gary without prior knowledge he may have a bit more of an issue.

Assuming this is a universe where Gary continued as a trainer, Gary would definitely win. He is not only well disciplined as a trainer, but he also loves and cares so much for his Pokemon. Plus, he has a Nidoking which is definitely one of my favorite Pokemon of all time, so ya, I'm a lil bias.
Problem with your Nidoking bias is that Paul also has one, which he used against Brandon Registeel.

drarixio
December 31st, 2011, 12:30 AM
Gary being better at Strategy? Are you guys implying that Paul didn't rely on Strategy? Just Asking.....
Its Like:

Gary= Startegy/Tactics
while
Paul= Powerhouses+Strategy/Tactics .. :\

Not really, at least not me...

Gary= Powerhouses + Strategy + More experience and knowleadge about Pokémon being a Professor and all that.

Paul= Powerhouses + Strategy + Experience and knowleadge, but less than Gary.

psyanic
December 31st, 2011, 01:23 PM
Not really, at least not me...

Gary= Powerhouses + Strategy + More experience and knowleadge about Pokémon being a Professor and all that.

Paul= Powerhouses + Strategy + Experience and knowleadge, but less than Gary.

Paul has less experience than Gary? Where are you getting this from? Paul went to all the regions Ash has, with Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, etc. Gary stopped at Johto. In addition, Paul battled Brandon of the Battle Frontier adding on to his growth as a trainer. Sure Gary travels around, but he's not exactly battling every Gym around or participating in the tournaments.

I don't get why everyone is saying being a Pokemon Professor makes you a god at battling. You research Pokemon and not how they battle. You would research behavior or the different aspects of Pokemon, like evolution or breeding. If anything, it would make a professor able to understand how to use a Pokemon to its full potential.