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The Void
December 31st, 2011, 01:40 AM
I know this discussion was already held in the other thread (http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=269964) I made, but in that thread, we were pitting all of Ash's main rivals in general. But if we were to pit JUST Paul and Gary together in a six-and-six Pokemon battle, who do you think would be the victor?

Also, unlike the other thread I made, I added a poll in the post too... ;)

Anyway, here's MY answer:

If we were to contrast Paul and Gary in certain aspects, then:

Experience
Gary has only travelled the Kanto and Johto Regions, participating only in their respective leagues, losing to all of them.

Paul, on the other hand, has travelled through the Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh Regions and participated in all their leagues (although he lost to all of them).

Paul obviously wins this round. One point goes to Paul :)

Training
Gary is DEFINITELY out of training, as he took the researcher path a long time ago, way back when the Johto League Silver Conference ended.

Paul still continues to train up to this day although, following the events of Sinnoh League Victors, I'm sure Paul no longer abuses his Pokemon like he used to.

Paul wins this round, obviously.

Method of Raising Pokemon
Gary raises his Pokemon with-- I'm not sure actually. But definitely not as tough or intense as Paul and at least shows some love.

Paul is somewhat harsh on his Pokemon and, well, you know him. But we all know it's effective as well. This way, his Pokemon grow stronger and level up faster and stronger and become ninjas. :)

It's a tie. One point to each.

Now it's kinda obvious who would win, isn't it?

drarixio
December 31st, 2011, 05:41 AM
I don't see any polls...you didn't add it...

Azure
December 31st, 2011, 07:37 AM
Gary, I didn't like Paul's attitude.

DawnLover
December 31st, 2011, 09:43 AM
Paul, the rivalry seemed more intense than Ash and Gary's rivalry.

The Void
December 31st, 2011, 09:43 AM
@drarixio - That's why I'm asking a Mod to delete this thread so I could repost this thread with a poll.... I forgot to add a poll again...

Kirbychu
December 31st, 2011, 11:04 AM
You don't need to repost the thread. Just look at the top of your first post and click "Thread Tools". Finally click "Add a Poll to this Thread".

pokehearts
January 1st, 2012, 12:56 PM
Gary, I don't think Paul would stand a chance against Gary's strategy and diversity in Pokemon types

BBA_Beyblader_321
January 1st, 2012, 06:21 PM
I want to say Paul... But I dunno~ Gary can probably hold his own pretty well. I'm going to go with Gary... He seems less ignorant.. or arrogant. One of 'em...

Ephemeral Euphoria
January 1st, 2012, 06:40 PM
I'd have to say Paul, seems to have a somewhat stronger team IMO and I liked his personality a bit more than Gary's TBH.

2Cool4Mewtwo
January 1st, 2012, 09:22 PM
It's either... "GARY WAS HERE ASH IS A LOSER" or an utter prick (at least that's how I view Paul from what I've seen).

It's a really tough choice, but I chose Gary because I grew up with older generations.

Perrie ✿
January 1st, 2012, 09:46 PM
Gary, at least he made a decent friendship with Ash. Paul's attitude was just awful and so was his character IMO.

Seki
January 1st, 2012, 11:42 PM
"Gary, Gary, he's our man. If he can't do it, no one can! Go...Gary!~♥".

Yes, my choice is Gary.
Gary is not like Paul. Paul has a awful attitude while Gary is just smug.

miltankRancher
January 1st, 2012, 11:49 PM
Gary waned over time, whereas Paul is much stronger than before with his heck of a team. So, paul it is for me. but I like Gary better.

Ein-ENB-
January 2nd, 2012, 01:03 AM
Gary will always be Gary @#%^ing Oak...That master of Troll logic and King of Rule breaking. I always thought of Gary as a Joke Villain though, never a True obstacle stopping Ash. As where with Paul, he was serious. He was determined. He wasn't going to let some one like Ash get in his way. He's not a Villain, but he sure is a good antagonist.

curiousnathan
January 2nd, 2012, 01:22 AM
Paul.

His team is stronger, he seems to carry a much more mature personality, plus it never felt like a real rivarly between Ash and Gary in the first place. At least with Paul he gave Ash a run for his money.

cyan.
January 2nd, 2012, 01:44 AM
in a battle against ash, paul, he seems to have a much stronger team then gary
but gary will always be my favourite rival

CliveKoopa
January 2nd, 2012, 02:15 AM
Gary, he is much nicer and Paul is just a jerk who is rude to everyone he comes across.

Xeberos
January 2nd, 2012, 02:19 AM
I don't know what is question.

Anyway Paul is more irritating than Gary. Actually I hate Paul. Paul is so negative and he doesn't care about his Pokémon. Gary is more like troll.

Snivy063
January 2nd, 2012, 04:56 AM
I really didn't like Paul, especially his attitude towards Pokemon, he's just cold. At least Gary cares about his Pokemon and loves them. So, I guess it's pretty obvious whom I'm gonna pick. ^^:;

Jorah
January 2nd, 2012, 05:38 AM
Paul is so negative and he doesn't care about his Pokémon. Gary is more like troll.

Haha, this is true. This is what I love about both of them. Paul and Gary are both unique characters, in the Pokemon anime at least.

For a battle and being completely unbiased...I have no idea XD They're both good trainers, but Paul has travelled to more regions than Gary, who knows. It would be a great episode to watch, though.

psyanic
January 2nd, 2012, 06:58 AM
Aww, looks like everyone forgot about Paul's character development. I really liked Paul because of how well he made everyone hate him. I thought it was fantastic and he was extremely different from Ash's other rivals. That being said, I'll edge out and just say Paul. I think he has a better trained team, even though half the damage they take is made by themselves. Paul's strategy is also pretty solid. He watches tape like a pro athlete.

Mew~
January 2nd, 2012, 07:40 AM
Just bringing this up from something psyanic and a few others mentioned in the other thread.

Just because Gary had a change in goals doesn't mean he can't battle, or is out of practice. If I recall correctly he'd had a good battle with Ash when Ash had come back home after the Battle Frontier. So he was certainly still catching Pokémon seeing as he'd had that Electivire and possibly more. But yeah, don't rule him out of battling just because he wants to be a professor, as I'm sure he'd have wanted to capture a few Pokémon and research them, even Juniper seems to have a Karrablast to which she will be trading with Bianca in a couple of episode assumedly to see how Karrablast and Shelmet evolve when traded. :x

Even though I've backed Gary up enough. I'm still going for Paul anyway. He certainly had developed a lot throughout the series, without wholly losing his personality. He certainly has team of powerhouses at his disposal. He has as much as experience as Ash, and certainly one tough cookie.

Mentalii
January 2nd, 2012, 07:45 AM
Gary, he's the best of every Ash's rivals for me.
Besides I can't bear Paul, so the choice wasn't really difficult.

Kenshin5
January 2nd, 2012, 08:30 AM
Gary, at least he made a decent friendship with Ash. Paul's attitude was just awful and so was his character IMO.
Gary also was seen in Four Saga's so you had a chance to see his character to change from arrogant smug, to nice guy, to researcher. Paul we have just seen in the light of a person who uses whatever method to win and doesn't care whether his pokemon suffered for that or not. Too me it isn't about being nice in a rivalry, since they are rivals after all. Trip isn't exactly nice to Ash either.

I don't know what is question.

Anyway Paul is more irritating than Gary. Actually I hate Paul. Paul is so negative and he doesn't care about his Pokémon. Gary is more like troll.
The question is who would win in a full battle between the two.

Mew~
January 2nd, 2012, 08:50 AM
Gary also was seen in Four Saga's so you had a chance to see his character to change from arrogant smug, to nice guy, to researcher. Paul we have just seen in the light of a person who uses whatever method to win and doesn't care whether his pokemon suffered for that or not. Too me it isn't about being nice in a rivalry, since they are rivals after all. Trip isn't exactly nice to Ash either.

Hold on a second. Paul definitely developed throughout Sinnoh, I think he learnt a lot from Ash and others throughout the series, he got over that ego of his and took control of his emotions after battling with Brandon. Paul certainly respected Ash at the end of DP, the same will probably be for Trip at the end of BW. :x I see what you mean about the whole nice thing, but it'll almost always end up that way. xD;

Kenshin5
January 2nd, 2012, 08:55 AM
Hold on a second. Paul definitely developed throughout Sinnoh, I think he learnt a lot from Ash and others throughout the series, he got over that ego of his and took control of his emotions after battling with Brandon. Paul certainly respected Ash at the end of DP, the same will probably be for Trip at the end of BW. :x
I'm not saying he didn't learn a lot or wasn't developed at all but for the most part on the surface he was still that jerk guy, that cared little to knowing of his pokemon well being. Yes he learned a lot from his defeat from Cynthia, Brandon, and Ash I'd say even more so then from his victories. And of course Reggie also played a role in changing him as well.

Mew~
January 2nd, 2012, 09:21 AM
I'm not saying he didn't learn a lot or wasn't developed at all but for the most part on the surface he was still that jerk guy, that cared little to knowing of his pokemon well being. Yes he learned a lot from his defeat from Cynthia, Brandon, and Ash I'd say even more so then from his victories. And of course Reggie also played a role in changing him as well.
What I meant to add into that post which you missed, was that he ended up becoming a friend and respectful of Ash in the end, as apposed to still being a jerk, because, I don't think he is, seeing as like you said, Brandon, Cynthia and Reggie took part in helping his character develop. But yeah, my main point is that Gary and Paul developed to respect Ash, and other traits. The same will most likely happen with Trip.

PlatinumDude
January 2nd, 2012, 04:36 PM
Even though Gary was a bit of a jerk to Ash early in the series, I'm going with him because he reformed his friendship with Ash later on in Johto. Paul, on the other hand, was mean to his Pokemon and to Ash until his loss to him (Ash).

psyanic
January 3rd, 2012, 08:12 PM
Even though Gary was a bit of a jerk to Ash early in the series, I'm going with him because he reformed his friendship with Ash later on in Johto. Paul, on the other hand, was mean to his Pokemon and to Ash until his loss to him (Ash).
Erm, their relationships with Ash have almost nothing to do with a potential battle between the two.

CommanderPigg
January 4th, 2012, 11:47 AM
Aw man, as an adamant Paul fan, seeing all these (somewhat incorrect) views of Paul kinda upsets me XD

I agree that Paul was a giant prick in the beginning of the series, and even I hated him for it. But the way he developed...the way his story unfolded was just an excellent story, in my opinion. I can't remember the last time Ash was pushed so hard to become a better trainer. It felt like he had an actual goal for once instead of just "herp derp, go to league and become pokemanz mastaaah." Gary did that too, I suppose, but he was often forgotten about and most of his development didn't come until after his loss in the Johto league.

I love Paul because of the way he influenced Ash and his backstory. His development was really subtle, which is probably why most people still think he's a complete jerk after all this time, but it's definitely there and is very realistic. You can't look at DP188 and say that he hadn't changed. He looked downright depressed when he was leaving Ash...

That being said, I'm also a big comashipper and I think that Paul has a tsundere side to him :P
*shot*

poopy777
January 4th, 2012, 03:42 PM
I would so go for Gary, Paul is just plain weird.

The Void
January 5th, 2012, 06:06 AM
Update: Finally learned to add a poll in the thread like I just did earlier... and I also submitted my answer (see original post) :)

Also, CommanderPigg is right. Paul is being misunderstood and that really upsets me :(
You guys do know that following the events of Sinnoh League Victors, Paul had somewhat changed a bit as in the first time in the history of Pokemon, Paul actually says "thank you" to Electivire for a job well done, right?
Which means he now actually shows his Pokemon more love and respect and stuff... :)

Jubilation
January 5th, 2012, 06:11 AM
I'll go with Gary. He was the original rival of Ash's and without him, probably wouldn't of pushed Ash as hard as he did to become better.

Wartortle700
January 5th, 2012, 02:36 PM
i would defenitly choose Gary 0.o sure he was a bit of a ducher @ first but he respected his pokemon and never made them trainer too hard (like paul did w/ chimchar) and then he had an opiphiany and became even better

Nepse
January 12th, 2012, 06:33 AM
There's no question about it, every anime fan would pick Gary over Paul any day.

Jayster23
January 12th, 2012, 07:10 AM
Gary was Ash's inspiration to become the very best. Paul was just as annoying as Team Rocket and challenged Ash whenever. Plus Paul looks like he hasn't slept in days.
Team wise I'd say Paul would win because Gary is no longer a Pokemon Trainer.Even though Gary at his prime vs Paul, i'd give the votes to Gary. But as said before Gary is more of a troll villain, he's there to put out the fact that he IS better than Ash. I mean his a 10 year old driving a convertible with fangirls half naked. What more do you want for your 10th birthday?

Alley Cat
January 12th, 2012, 07:14 AM
Paul would take the cake on this one. But only because Gary is out if training. If he was to start training and battling before the battle then he would win, I think. Or they'd get a double k.o. In the final fight.

Musashi
January 12th, 2012, 05:51 PM
Gary Oak. I just friggin' hate Paul.

DarkIceForever
January 12th, 2012, 09:38 PM
PAUL is the winner in my book.
Why? He is a tough trainer, not that Gary isn't, but he is more focused in pokemon battling and Gary is not.
Hey! Gary is still a tough trainer, He still beat Pikachu before Ash left to Sinnoh.

Dopefish7590
January 12th, 2012, 10:47 PM
Between Paul and Gary, I would have to say that it would definitely be a close match, but I imagine Gary would win.

Paul's rivalry with Ash was more intense than his rivalry with Gary, only because of his gruff and seemingly uncaring disposition. He gained experience, lots of it, and he respects Ash despite not liking him very much. His Pokemon are obviously strong, very strong, but he tends to go for more power than anything, he does put some good thought into his moves though.

Gary Oak is a friend of Ash, and has gained respect from him, as well as being friendly. Because of this, some people don't see as much pressure from him as they did Paul, making them think that he is the weaker of the two rivals. This is certainly not true, not only had Gary achieved considerably more than Ash in the same amount of time, (Paul progressed at the same pace as Ash overall, maybe even a little slower) he also happens to be an outstanding tactician. He picks things up about his opponents much faster than Paul does. His Pokemon are strong, but he doesn't have as many powerhouses as Paul does, but as he showed in every Battle against Ash, even after losing in the Pokemon League, this doesn't affect how difficult he is to beat.

Misty~
January 14th, 2012, 04:06 PM
Gary LOL i liked how he teased Ash.

LucarioBlade
January 17th, 2012, 03:51 PM
I'm going with Gary because

1- he had a group of cheerleaders at season 1

2- he had ten badges instead of eight

3- "Gary was here, Ash is a loser."

That's why he's called Gary "*^&*%^$^%$%#%^" Oak to this very day.

Paul on the other hand, well, I kinda have a like/hate feeling for him.

Arago
January 21st, 2012, 11:16 AM
Gary is vastly superior to any of the rivals in the anime in every way, shape, and form simply because he is Gary.

Jorah
January 23rd, 2012, 09:43 AM
Paul is vastly superior to any of the rivals in the anime in every way, shape, and form simply because he is Paul.

Nomine
January 23rd, 2012, 10:44 AM
In my honest opinion, Gary would win. No doubt about it. I can't stand Paul.

chella182
January 24th, 2012, 04:21 PM
I thought they were both d-bags, but I guess being the rivals of the main character they're not there to be liked. I'm not saying no one likes them, just saying, in my opinion, the point is to like Ash and dislike his rivals. BUT Gary really got on my nerves. Paul doesn't annoy me in the kind of "OH MY GOD SHUT UP BEFORE I PUNCH YOU" kind of way that Gary did. Gary was way more smug than Paul, and I hate smugness.

Jayster23
February 3rd, 2012, 07:07 AM
Gary was a troll the whole series though.

Looking at Gary's team on Serebii compared to Paul's.

Gary:
Electrivire, Blastoise, Umbreon, Scizor, Arcanine, Alakazam

VS.

Paul:
Torterra, Electrivire, Magmortar, Weavile, Aggron, Gliscor

Pretty even but Gary just appears to have the slight upper hand because in the anime caring about your pokemon counts and Gary cares

Tmskater1
February 23rd, 2012, 08:25 PM
Gary wins all the way. Paul was alright, but his story in diamond and pearl just kinda got on my nerves. Every time Gary showed up in Kanto I knew it would be a good episode.

Eclispe
February 24th, 2012, 02:30 PM
I'd have to go with Paul despite the way he treats his pokemon. Gary lost his edge over the years. However It would be a close battle though; Gary is no push-over but Paul is the stronger of two in my opinion.

MaxiPower90
March 2nd, 2012, 12:14 PM
Gary, was the cool kid back when it first aired, How the years have past,

Piks
March 14th, 2012, 10:45 PM
Gary is much better of a rival unlike Paul was. Gary was an original with a badass personality ,Paul was just an idiot and bland with no personality whatsoever even Trip is better then him.