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Forever
January 4th, 2012, 04:54 AM
Think about how Black City and White Forest was a highly advertised point when they were first released, and now look at them. Unless you're actively playing the games, either your White Forest & Black City, depending on your version, is empty.

So! Do you think the system of have-local-wifi-or-empty-area works? How would've you changed it, if you had the power? And do you think these two should've been less of a selling point in regards to version differences, considering how for most of us, we can't fully utilise them? Discuss!

waters_echo
January 4th, 2012, 05:30 AM
The answer is: "This is stupid"
Mostly because I cannot use the game's WiFi because we have the wrong sort of router.

I didn't know about the time clause on them, and because I spend so much time grinding (it can take me months to get anywhere in my games) by the time I got to White Forest it was long since deserted (save Azurill Person), and I was somewhat surprised (I found an item in there once, though. Still not sure what triggered the spawning of it)

If I could change it I would either extend the limit (or, y'know, at least make it clearer that there is one)... or make it so that the things have a greater compatibility with different routers.
Mostly the router option (because I cannot do so much without a connection.)
(Ignoring the fact that the closest person who I know even owns one of the games lives over two blocks away)
It would also be nice if it at least rotated the person you have left over once in a while.

Ah, so much hype they made about something so ridiculous.
Fact is? They're... not boring, as such, but... I dunno. Maybe they could have made some sort of link? Integrated it to the Kami village? Done... something. I don't know. I like the people and all, but the fact that there's no reasonable explanation behind these mysterious growing areas that make no sense irks me.

TheRedeemed
January 4th, 2012, 06:52 AM
I agree that it was a stupid idea to have the time you took remove people from your town, because I love taking my time to find the diffrent Pokemon in the area and raise them to a respectable level before heading off to the next Gym.

If anything, I would have:
A) Let it be like a normal city, without it being time-sensitive

B) Made it the reverse; the longer you take to get there, the more people would be there, because it means that you're not just speeding through the game to get to the end, but actually spending the time to enjoy it

C) At the very least let friends with the Wi-Fi long distance connection visit the towns. I don't have anyone around me that I care to associate with who has Pokemon, so its really frustrating... :(

I agree that it was a stupid idea to have the time you took remove people from your town, because I love taking my time to find the diffrent Pokemon in the area and raise them to a respectable level before heading off to the next Gym.

If anything, I would have:
A) Let it be like a normal city, without it being time-sensitive

B) Made it the reverse; the longer you take to get there, the more people would be there, because it means that you're not just speeding through the game to get to the end, but actually spending the time to enjoy it

C) At the very least let friends with the Wi-Fi long distance connection visit the towns. I don't have anyone around me that I care to associate with who has Pokemon, so its really frustrating... :(

Kingdom of Tea
January 4th, 2012, 06:48 PM
I didn't understand why White Forest got pokemon but Black city got nothing useful.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~
January 5th, 2012, 07:11 AM
I didn't understand why White Forest got pokemon but Black city got nothing useful.

I beg to differ....Black City got very useful items in the market such as evolution stones and rare items that sell for a lot of money.

When I think the name of "White Forest" I think that it is misleading in a way.

Anyways, the only thing I would change about White Forest and Black City is the Entralink capabilities because I personally do not like them.


:t354:TG

Xander Olivieri
January 5th, 2012, 12:23 PM
To Grow and Expand Black City and White Forest you have to use the Infered Wireless LOCAL link ups. You don't use Wifi Routers at all. Just have to go to the Entrelink and enter a friend's world that way and talk to various NPCs that you see walking around.

That being said, I used my Brother's game a lot for testing and I've made Black City HUGE. Even after not playing it for a few months my Black City is still as large as it has been. I have a bunch of people to battle daily. Its not a concept I liked but having the extra battles makes the after game play a little more bearable without the VS Seeker.

Mr Cat Dog
January 5th, 2012, 01:27 PM
I really disliked Black City. It had been hyped as this place where I could get loads of cool items and such; when I got there, it just seemed like an empty shell. That the screen goes into high res only highlights the emptiness of such a place. After battling the trainers, the whole experience was a complete let-down. At least in White Forest there could have been some cool Pokemon to capture; Black City was just desolate and boring. The feature seems to have been a real misfire, to be honest, and I hope that Game Freak learns from this mistake.

Overlord Drakow
January 5th, 2012, 01:30 PM
I liked the music and the building infrastructure in Black City. That's about it though. I don't really have anything to add that hasn't been mentioned already.

이큐리
January 5th, 2012, 10:48 PM
I like White Forest because you can catch some cute Pokemon there, but I don't see the point of Black City. It's boring and there isn't really much to do. Maybe a few more features would have been a batter idea for those areas.

PlatinumDude
January 5th, 2012, 11:33 PM
Black City/White Forest sounded like cool concepts to me, but maintaining the people I brought in was a chore for me (I had to come in to White Forest and talk to everyone to keep them from leaving). Free items from White Forest every now and then was a nice bonus, though.

Raichupacabra
January 6th, 2012, 12:50 AM
Hated it. No one around me likes to actually play Pokemon so my city was a ghost town.

Oryx
January 6th, 2012, 01:00 AM
I didn't like it because, not only do you have to be near other people, which was doable for me, it had to be different people. Because new people never spawned in your game, if you wanted every person you had to link up with a bunch of different people to see if they have the people you want.

I'm curious as to how well it works in Japan, but it's a terrible idea outside of there.

Kotowari
January 6th, 2012, 01:34 AM
Not that much of a fan of Black City. I was excited to go explore this town (as it was quite hyped before the release of Black) but it was such a let-down to arrive in a city where there was nothing more than a Pokémon center. Such space wasted. : <
I really took my time to enjoy Black, I haven't had so much fun playing a new Pokémon game since Emerald.
Black City was just kinda...meh.

Fine, I was playing on an Emulator, but having the game IRL (which I really want, it just recently that I got my DS) wouldn't change anything. I don't know anyone close to me who has the game.... so I doubt I'll be able to find much entertainment in Black City.
I like the idea of more social interaction with other people, but at least make sure that everyone (even those without close-by Pokémon fans) can enjoy 99,9% of the game's extra's.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™
January 6th, 2012, 04:43 AM
I thought it was poorly executed. I had White, and there's nothing at all to do in White Forest once you've caught all the Pokemon available to you. And because of the leveling system and how it took me forever to level grind, my White Forest was near deserted when I finally made it there. And if not for my brother having Black, I would have never expanded it with the three people that I was able to bring over.

Really, it would have been a lot better if there was actually something to do there and if it wasn't dependent on how many people you know with the other game and dependent on how fast you play through it...

Leavanny
January 6th, 2012, 08:02 AM
Having heard of the problems that some people I know have experienced with Black City/White Forest, I never actually tried it out - in fact, the only times I've ever been to Black City have been when I was just passing through to get to the useful parts of Unova.

flubbateios
January 6th, 2012, 11:46 AM
I think it is stupid, you should not need external things to play a game to its full extent, I would bring back the Safari Zone over White forest, since you are free inside it, the White Forest/Black City was a good idea, Game Freak just need to make it more classic, I like seeing stuff from R/S/E being brought back, others who play retro pokemon would also get a pleasant suprise.THAT is how I would have changed it, overall Black/White has disappointed me in storyline, so I don't have too many positive comments lol

vaporeon7
January 6th, 2012, 11:56 AM
I thought the highly highlighted places in the games could've been done a lot better. The places had many flaws. To keep people, players would have to play the game almost every day, otherwise they would all start to disappear. When the player first gets the game, sure, the first couple of weeks they may do that, but soon after that, most people don't touch their game until they want a nostalgic hit, a few months later. Another problem was the maximum people number, meaning if you went to a Nintendo event, you couldn't get all the people while you were there. It also took quite a long time to invite people to your game. Almost certainly disallowing connectivity with strangers walking past, this is also made longer by having to take turns. The final problem of the top of my head was how the areas assumed that the player lived near or had access to many other people with the game to get new people, which a lot of people do not.

Pingouin_7
January 6th, 2012, 04:16 PM
The answer is: "This is stupid"
Mostly because I cannot use the game's WiFi because we have the wrong sort of router.

I didn't know about the time clause on them, and because I spend so much time grinding (it can take me months to get anywhere in my games) by the time I got to White Forest it was long since deserted (save Azurill Person), and I was somewhat surprised (I found an item in there once, though. Still not sure what triggered the spawning of it)

If I could change it I would either extend the limit (or, y'know, at least make it clearer that there is one)... or make it so that the things have a greater compatibility with different routers.
Mostly the router option (because I cannot do so much without a connection.)
(Ignoring the fact that the closest person who I know even owns one of the games lives over two blocks away)
It would also be nice if it at least rotated the person you have left over once in a while.

Ah, so much hype they made about something so ridiculous.
Fact is? They're... not boring, as such, but... I dunno. Maybe they could have made some sort of link? Integrated it to the Kami village? Done... something. I don't know. I like the people and all, but the fact that there's no reasonable explanation behind these mysterious growing areas that make no sense irks me.

Your entire argument (therefore your entire post) is rendered invalid by the fact they don't use Wi-Fi connection at all.

miltankRancher
January 7th, 2012, 07:43 AM
I have never understood those two areas. Why put them in there where it will be empty most of the time? So for me, it is NOT A GOOD ADDITION to the game. Undella town has a lot more to offer me.

Deathmaker56
January 7th, 2012, 08:23 AM
This is my first forum post and i agree they were a let down

SamTheSnorlax
January 7th, 2012, 08:23 AM
I used to have alot of people in my black city but now there is nobody.. why?

Halcyon
January 9th, 2012, 09:23 PM
I used to have alot of people in my black city but now there is nobody.. why?

If you have not interacted with them after a certain number of days, they would disappear, I believe. The number of days varies with each person. I find that a pointless feature - it's like I have to battle them every single day just to keep them in my city. :( The music there was my least favourite as well - it has a very dark theme to it.

However, the shops were kind of nice in Black City - I get to purchase things like evolutionary stones (even though in my city there was only Moon Stone D:). And the 10,000 PokéDollars incentive for every 10 trainers beaten, wow! $___$

Conaire
January 18th, 2012, 04:05 PM
I think they can be perfectly executed, but rather the problem is that most people aren't going to waste there time in a Forest talking to people and capturing level 5 pokemon to grind when you can't even level grind in White, Now with Black, It is easier to grind and buy evolution stones, even though you can't capture the pokemon that White has in White Forest. I know they were trying to balance White and Black, and make them possibly more balanced between each other. Alas, you need Entralink for this, and Entralink is LOCAL. If it was Wi-Fi Wireless, It would be more perfect.

2Cool4Mewtwo
January 18th, 2012, 08:45 PM
It's a good concept, but extremely poorly implemented (as some others said in this thread already).

With this in mind, I hope the third game can step this up.

IcyIce
January 18th, 2012, 08:56 PM
I am gonna have to agree. Both places are somewhat pointless. Now my White Forst is full as crap becaus eI took people from my black vesion to my white version. Black City would have been nice,but the battles are weak and I'd rather go to the Nimbasa Stadiums to train. I didn't really see a nice point to them.

I would have put more useful stuff in them some how,but not sure what.

Forever
January 19th, 2012, 12:15 AM
I know they were trying to balance White and Black, and make them possibly more balanced between each other.

Sorta relevant, but that makes me think back to when they were first announced. People here thought of White City as the better thing because "oh yeah POKEMON WE CAN'T OTHERWISE OBTAIN", while now everyone notices there's the Dream World, migration, etc, so it's not so much of an issue. And in a game that lacks much of a post-game, battling extra trainers other than in the Nimbasa Sport Domes is something appealing to people. Weird though, Black seems to be the most popular on this forum even while initially they thought that way. Thinking about it, White is kinda better for those without wifi but have friends with the opposite game, while Black is better for those with wifi but no friends playing the opposite game (aka which makes the two more useful). On that note, I wonder if Black is actually so popular here because of the fact that we all have wifi etc so the extra Pokemon found in White Forest doesn't appeal to us so much. Interesting to think about imo.

b7astoise
November 29th, 2012, 04:11 AM
is there another thread for white forest/black city? i need peoples help to fill up my white forest..

Forever
November 29th, 2012, 04:16 AM
is there another thread for white forest/black city? i need peoples help to fill up my white forest..

Nope, unfortunately in Black and White you can only use local wifi which means you can only fill up White Forest with people nearby you in real life. :( Or if you have another DS, that works too. However, on another note please don't post revive dead threads to post messages like this, use the Quick Questions sticky. n_____n
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