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Kenshin5
January 10th, 2012, 08:14 PM
I am curious to know who you think is the champion of champions rather it be your favorite or who is the strongest. Why are they your favorite? Why do you think they would prevail over the other champions?

Maybe include how powerful their pokemon is i.e. Cynthia Garchomp, or a hypothetical assessment of what their team maybe like matched up against the next(this is assuming they have the same team make up as the game)

Note: I didn't include Conference champs like Tyson and Tobias.

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/65/LanceHGSS.gif http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/88/RS_Steven.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/b6/E-Wallace.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/51/CynthiaPlatinum.gifhttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/3f/Spr_BW_Alder.png


So who yea got?

AshPikastar
January 10th, 2012, 08:24 PM
If I had the choice to pick two, I would have picked Steven and Cynthia. I would mainly pick Cynthia due to her strength and how strong her Pokemon are. She is a tough champion and hasn't been taken down yet by the Elite members. Steven is also tough too however, I don't remember much about his Pokemon then I do with Cynthia so Cynthia gets my vote.

Mew~
January 11th, 2012, 12:12 AM
I quite like Steven, but didn't he only get like one episode? Unless I've overlooked one. It was in "A Hole Lotta Trouble!" But yeah, I'd have loved to see more of him.

Cynthia would probably be my favourite, not only does she have Garchomp, shes the only female champion, so female power and all that jazz. I have that gary stu theory I mentioned a while back, and I think shes just really awesome. :3

Charicific
January 11th, 2012, 01:12 AM
Cynthia for a lot of reasons! But I will state some:

1) Garchomp

2) A Variation of Pokemon to cover her weaknesses

3) She is just...so cool, powerful, and all that :P idk she is just amazing in all ways.

4) I don't think any of the other champions will take her out, hence, she is the strongest of them all.

5) Proved SHEER power by sweeping all the members of the Elite 4

curiousnathan
January 11th, 2012, 01:44 AM
Cynthia for a lot of reasons! But I will state some:

1) Garchomp

2) A Variation of Pokemon to cover her weaknesses

3) She is just...so cool, powerful, and all that :P idk she is just amazing in all ways.

4) I don't think any of the other champions will take her out, hence, she is the strongest of them all.

5) Proved SHEER power by sweeping all the members of the Elite 4

I wouldn't say sweep. Since Flint did take out some of her pokemon, two if I recall. Plus I remember Lucian putting up a good fight. of course Aaron had little chance.

The Void
January 11th, 2012, 07:02 AM
Definitely Cynthia. Based on what I saw with her battles against Paul, her Garchomp was simply invincible. Not even Frenzy Plant could've hurt it! I don't think I've seen any trainer good enough for Cynthia. She's just invincible. The only trainer who I see with enough power and potential to beat Cynthia would be Tobias. Now of course, Tobias would probably just murder her in 1 minute like all the other gym leaders...

Mentalii
January 11th, 2012, 07:16 AM
I chose Lance. He has a champion look. And he's the Dragon Master.
I know a lot of you prefer Cynthia but I didn't really appreciate her in the anime, she was kinda odd :pink_confused:

WishCookie
January 11th, 2012, 07:25 AM
Cynthia for the win! She is just so smart and powerful, I cant explain it but still!

DawnLover
January 11th, 2012, 07:36 AM
Cynthia, because she has a Garchomp lol.
Also she always wins against challengers.

PlatinumDude
January 11th, 2012, 05:04 PM
Cynthia, most definitely. Even though we only saw 2 of her Pokemon in the anime (Garchomp and Gastrodon), she proved to be very tough, such as defeating Paul with only her Garchomp and defeating Elite 4 members Aaron, Flint and Lucian.

psyanic
January 11th, 2012, 07:47 PM
I like Steven. But he didn't really have anything happen with him in that single episode of his, except showing off Aggron's Hyper Beam. I can't really base anything off that, so I'll go with Cynthia. I like her more than Steven, in terms of the anime. It's the writers' fault since they threw Steven away, but whatever.

Lance had a lot of fan girls. He caught the red Gyarados, and that's all I remember. Oh and he was with some dudes called the G-Men. I thought he was probably one of the most champion-like, since he did all the "Protect the Region!" duties, which I see champions doing. Cynthia did this as well... She had a role in taking down Team Galactic and Cyrus.

So yeah, Cynthia.

Nepse
January 12th, 2012, 05:28 AM
Lance, without a doubt! He's the original champion, and can never be replaced (+ Dragon pokémon rock!). I personally don't like Cynthia, not solely because I dislike Gen IV pokémon, but because she's... well... "Hate-able"

Jayster23
January 12th, 2012, 07:28 AM
Cynthia has that look of "Mess with me, you'll be six feet under"
Her Pokemon are Powerful and it's a mix so harder to take out. She's got the champion woman look plus she's well fit ;) xD

Sheep
January 13th, 2012, 12:38 PM
Cynthia for sure. She was really the only champion portrayed as an actual champion to me - you can see that she definitely earned her title with how easily she beat Paul and so on :P Plus her types are diverse and, unlike Alder, she shows lots of competence and is clearly very experienced. I felt like Lance was portrayed to be pretty weak, Steven got no screentime, Wallace didn't really show off his battle skills, and Alder has yet to actually show his strength.

Xeberos
January 13th, 2012, 01:13 PM
I give my vote for Cynthia. Cynthia has great powerful Pokémon and I like her attitude, she has attitude of true champion. She also looks like real champion. Paul was easy win for her and I think Ash would've been easy win too - sadly.

Iceman3317
January 13th, 2012, 04:14 PM
I love Alder and Cynithia,but I just like Lance more because of his dragons

Freddy Fazbear
January 13th, 2012, 04:52 PM
Lance and Steven are awesome beyond awesome, but my vote goes to Cynthia on this one. She was probably the only character I liked from Sinnoh, plus she's just awesome in every way. Lance is awesome, too, though.

curiousnathan
January 13th, 2012, 05:46 PM
Definitely Cynthia. Based on what I saw with her battles against Paul, her Garchomp was simply invincible. Not even Frenzy Plant could've hurt it! I don't think I've seen any trainer good enough for Cynthia. She's just invincible. The only trainer who I see with enough power and potential to beat Cynthia would be Tobias. Now of course, Tobias would probably just murder her in 1 minute like all the other gym leaders...

Nah, I don't he'd murder her. Just because he's got legendary pokemon doesn't mean he's automatically stronger than her. Yes, he's incredibly strong, and he has legendaries, but Cynthia is the champion. The strongest trainer. I'm sure Cynthia could easily sweep the gym leaders and the normal league contenders.

The Void
January 13th, 2012, 06:36 PM
Nah, I don't he'd murder her. Just because he's got legendary pokemon doesn't mean he's automatically stronger than her. Yes, he's incredibly strong, and he has legendaries, but Cynthia is the champion. The strongest trainer. I'm sure Cynthia could easily sweep the gym leaders and the normal league contenders.

Do you mean to say that Cynthia will just easily beat Tobias like she beat Paul?

okjoek
January 13th, 2012, 07:31 PM
Wallace ofcourse because he's fabulous! Right next to steven ofcourse but I have my nostalgia because my first pokemon video game was Emerald. One cannot simply "bring it!" or "dance more elegantly" than the duo champions devoted to land and sea. Superb it should be said.

smurf
January 14th, 2012, 09:16 PM
i think that steven is the best he shoulda been in more episodes but i think of all champions that he is the hardest to beat

curiousnathan
January 14th, 2012, 09:20 PM
Do you mean to say that Cynthia will just easily beat Tobias like she beat Paul?
Most likely. I mean just because he has legendaries doens't mean normal Pokemon can't fight and defeat them. Ash's Pokemon did, and I am sure Cynthia's Pokemon can too, being normal non-legendary Pokemon, under a champions training.

Keyaki
January 17th, 2012, 12:28 AM
Most likely. I mean just because he has legendaries doens't mean normal Pokemon can't fight and defeat them. Ash's Pokemon did, and I am sure Cynthia's Pokemon can too, being normal non-legendary Pokemon, under a champions training.

Especially since Ash's Sceptile KO'd Tobias' Darkrai right after waking up from a Dark Void AND both Tobias' Latios and Ash's Pikachu knocked each other out.

Cynthia, definitely.

Marilynasol
January 17th, 2012, 05:20 PM
I gotta say Tobias is actually the strongest Champion. I mean Tobias is the champion of the Sinnoh region in the anime (and this thread is in the anime section), just as Ash is champion of the Orange League and Tyson of the Ever Grande Conference.

Tobias uses legendaries. This is the anime. Like it or not, Tobias has quite some skill. And experience, mind you, as he was able to catch and train legendary Pokemon. The anime isn't like the games where legendaries are only available once, if that, and their use is forbidden in most competitive play. If anything, as we kind of see with Nolan and Brandon the trainers who were able to befriend/catch the legendaries become legends in their own right as well. Tobias has at least two legendaries. One alone is quite a feat, but you can tell Tobias has been around when he has two.

I don't see Tobias as a cheater. The only time that I think cheating was accurately portrayed in the anime was with Dr. Yung and the mirage Pokemon special. Tobias doesn't use any moves that are abnormal to the legendaries.

I actually tend to think of Tobias not as some n00b who challenged a bunch of young kid in a league that was well below his, but as an uber trainer. Yes, an uber. Why was he participating in the Unova league? He probably has spent years in training and hiding to catch and raise his Pokemon. And somebody can't just go in and enter the recently-mentioned Champion League without having some sort of background now, can they? Tobias has to begin somewhere. The Sinnoh League was probably the closest to where he was at the moment or closest in time. He didn't have to do much to qualify for the league (earn 8 badges, he defeated all the gym leaders with his Darkrai alone). He didn't seem at all worried with the competition in the tournament. What I'm trying to get to is that he wasn't there for the trophy (but the trophy was nice), but rather the opportunity to face the elite four, Cynthia, and then hopefully get enough attention to enter into the Champion league. Now that's a professional trainer there.

We really haven't heard much about the Champion league. I believe the only few mentions were towards the end of the Sinnoh saga and by Trip. I have this faint idea that because Pokemon has gone as long as it has gone for, Pokemon is starting to plan a lot more ahead in production. Will we get to see the Champion League? I think so. When is more of the question. I don't expect to see any kind of massive change or closure in Pokemon until it reaches its 12th generation. Pokemon has pretty much confirmed that the fire starters are based upon the Chinese Zodiac, so we're probably in for grass-fire-water starters up until at least the 12th generation. The Sinnoh League was the perfect time to start up rumors of an ultimate, global Pokemon Tournament. The Sinnoh saga lasted for what seemed like forever, all gym leaders and elite four members had high prominence in the anime, and Paul was the most serious rival Ash has had yet. We don't know much about it yet, but what we do know is that Cynthia sees that both Ash and Paul have the composition of a champion and expects their rivalry to meet again there (huh, didn't somebody else predict that two rivals would meet up in the grandest tournament, Zoey?). The Sinnoh saga introduced two key aspects to the Champion League: the existence of ubers like Tobias (and Ash, for a "rookie" based upon his age, fared very well against), and the existence of such a league. While I don't expect it to be brought up often (and I'm surprised that it's been brought up so much in this past season by Trip), I do expect more information on the league to be dropped over time as Ash becomes more and more qualified for the league. I'd imagine that eventually Ash will begin winning regional leagues and start the difficult task of attempting to defeat all four of the elite four members and the champion of their league. I don't think that will be until generation 8 or 9 where we may be beginning on another new continent as we did with Unova, but still it is something that would show how Ash grows as a trainer.

Nepse
January 18th, 2012, 09:07 AM
I gotta say Tobias is actually the strongest Champion. I mean Tobias is the champion of the Sinnoh region in the anime (and this thread is in the anime section), just as Ash is champion of the Orange League and Tyson of the Ever Grande Conference.

I think you misunderstand the concept, see when you win a League Conference you become the Champion of that annual event. When you win the League Conference in your home-region you can enter the Champion League.

Marilynasol
January 18th, 2012, 02:35 PM
I think you misunderstand the concept, see when you win a League Conference you become the Champion of that annual event. When you win the League Conference in your home-region you can enter the Champion League.

Nuh-uh. No I didn't. I double-checked on Bulbapedia.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Champion#In_the_anime

The path to becoming Champion differs between the anime and the games. In the anime, instead of fighting the Elite Four, there is a tournament among accomplished Trainers; however, Lucian mentioned that the winner of the Sinnoh League has the opportunity to battle the Elite Four and their Champion. Even an Elite Four member can usurp the Champion by battling them.

Bulbapedia's page on the Pokemon League Conference (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_League_Conference) also affirms that champions of a regional Pokemon League Conference will get the opportunity to challenge the Elite Four of that particular reason as well.

SmashBrony
January 18th, 2012, 04:05 PM
Pssh... no one compares to Cynthia, NO ONE!!!

She's the ONLY character to appear in EVERY standrad Pokemon game since she appears on D/P.

She's the champ on D/P/Pt, she appear in the Ruins of Alph when you have a special event Arceus on HG/SS & you get to battle her on B/W, the 1st time at any time & once a day, every day during spring.

EDITED IN:
& she's a sexy woman who shows modesty!
Grrowr!

2ND EDITION:
Oops... I got carry away when I saw this topic...
Hope my post is stil viable, even though it's not about the anime...
Oh, what the heck, I'll say she looks great on the anime too! (I only saw one esipode with her on it...)

Kenshin5
January 18th, 2012, 04:41 PM
Nuh-uh. No I didn't. I double-checked on Bulbapedia.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Champion#In_the_anime



Bulbapedia's page on the Pokemon League Conference (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_League_Conference) also affirms that champions of a regional Pokemon League Conference will get the opportunity to challenge the Elite Four of that particular reason as well.
He gets the opportunity is different from actually being the regions champion. Which is why I only included Champs that correspond to their counterparts.

If you want to talk about the inter workings of Champions League. How it goes down, will we ever get to see one first hand, etc. Then make another topic discussing that specific subject.

And I really don't see people calling him a noob, because for him to get Darkrai in the first place it would be assumed he would have skill to capture it. And like it was said in the Trainers with Legendaries topic he wasn't the only one with a legend there, since there was also a guy with Heatran. So honestly him using them is fare game tbh. Too me that doesn't make him any less of a trainer.

Marilynasol
January 18th, 2012, 05:10 PM
He gets the opportunity is different from actually being the regions champion. Which is why I only included Champs that correspond to their counterparts.

... touche. We are technically both right. Tobias is a conference champion. But it appears you were looking at only regional champions (it also appears you edited your original post to make this clear- I don't remember that footnote existing when I was writing my initial post for this thread). Tobias certainly isn't a regional champion... as of yet or as we know of at the moment. Is he able to? Certainly if he destroyed the Sinnoh league with only a single Pokemon (well, for the gyms, and he only used his Latios in his semifinal match in the conference). You'll have to forgive me. This was in the anime section of the forums, and I believe at the time you did not signify that they had to be heads of the regional Elite Four.


And I really don't see people calling him a noob, because for him to get Darkrai in the first place it would be assumed he would have skill to capture it. And like it was said in the Trainers with Legendaries topic he wasn't the only one with a legend there, since there was also a guy with Heatran. So honestly him using them is fare game tbh. Too me that doesn't make him any less of a trainer.

I guess I am getting this thread mixed up a little bit with the Trainers with Legendaries thread (http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=270122). People who posted on that were disgusted by Tobias because he used legendaries (and we only got to see him use legendaries). I wrote this with a bunch of other stuff last night, and n00b seemed to be the word most fitting. I don't think that is the best word, but I am a n00b myself for resurrecting such dead and long-forgotten lingo.