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Miss Doronjo
January 20th, 2012, 07:37 PM
As the title suggests, do you actually feel that a third game (like in some speculations, pokemon grey) needs to be created?

For example, do you feel that this will enhance the storyline?
Or, do you feel that the Black and White games needs some improvement that can be fixed in this third game?
Why do you, or don't you feel that this third game needs to be created?

Discuss how you feel!

Eucliffe
January 20th, 2012, 07:45 PM
Honestly, I feel that there are a few points in BW that do need to be expanded on.

First: Kyurem. By now many have noticed it seems to be missing some parts. How did it get to be that way? Why is it in the game other than being another legendary to catch? Sure, it may be a "monster" to the nearby town, but it's obvious it's the third Dragon and so there's got to be more to it, right?

Second, the other Sages and the Dark Trinity/Shadow Triad...and I guess Concordia and Anthea, too. All they get are some lines, and though I guess they do kinda get backstory, I think they need more. Yeah, yeah, they're not so important, but hey. They're cool people and should have more stuff too.

Third (though I guess this could also be two), I know this is huge fan speculation right now but it'd be interesting to see if Nintendo confirms/denies whether the Striaton Trio ARE the Dark Trinity/Shadow Triad, though I have my doubts. Still, you never know.

Fourth, a better strategy battle place. The Subway is cool and all, but it's kind of boring. It's just the Battle Tower on trains, if you ask me.

Fifth, this could just be me but I'd love to battle some of the other trainers again, not just the ones you can battle daily. Also being able to rebattle Gym Leaders.

Sixth, also could be just me but more Triple/Rotation battles! Maybe the third version could mix the two into it? :3

...And that's all I can think of for now, derp.

rocky505
January 20th, 2012, 09:16 PM
3rd games are always needed for many reasons.

Rebattling Gym Leaders
Taking the main 2 games story in a different direction
New areas(Every 3rd game has had a new area, except Yellow unless you count the surf house)
New moves in Pokemon's movepools
Gym Leader roster changes
new events
Making more money so they can make even more games!

Mr Cat Dog
January 21st, 2012, 03:47 AM
I've never seen the massive advantage of a third-game apart from increased revenue to Nintendo/Game Freak. Although third-games are slightly different enough to qualify as separate entities in their own right, the points made above by rocky505 don't seem enough, really. The only third-game I'd consider buying would be for if I didn't buy any of the previous two, or there was a substantial difference in story/location/Pokemon to collect. As it stands, there's not really much in this generation that would require a separate game to complete, in all honesty. I just wish that some of the features mentioned above could be integrated into the main games (rebattling Gym Leaders etc), but that would remove the 'need' for a third game and lower Game Freak revenue so... sigh.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™
January 21st, 2012, 05:58 AM
There is so much wrong with B/W, including:
*Poor menu design
*Poor trainer design
*Poor Exp system
*Lack of a Vs Seeker
*Poorly executed post-game (lack of stuff to do AND ridiculous level gap)
*Gym Leaders with only 2-3 Pokemon

I'm not sure a 3rd game would address all these issues. In particular, I'm about 99.9% sure it would have the same flawed Exp system, and I don't have much faith that they'll redesign White/Hilda/whoever so she looks less like a prostitute. B/W were such disappointments that I wouldn't even consider buying a third game unless most of these issues are addressed.

Either we need a third game with some pretty drastic changes, or we just need to declare 5th gen a loss and move on.

The 100 Mega Shock
January 21st, 2012, 06:38 AM
Who's this 'we'?

You don't speak for everyone's opinions on B/W. Especially not the part where you're clearly biased in terms of your opinions on character designs, regardless of the differences between games.

WishCookie
January 21st, 2012, 07:40 AM
I see B/W almost like a base form of the new generation and the third game is what completes the game and its issues.

PokeRaidenFighter350Z
January 21st, 2012, 08:12 AM
I really wish we do. Because look at DP, there wasn't much to do and the Battle Tower wasn't that great due to lack of good moves until Platinum, where there was a HUGE improvement in both main and post-story. And there was a Battle Frontier in which Pokemon fought there were much improved because of the moves from move tutors that weren't there before. If they were to make a third game for B/W, I'd say they should add move tutors and improve the Battle Subway a whole lot by adding Pokemon from the 4 previous generations to the Normal Rank lines and make the Battle Subway inaccessible until the player finishes the main story and obtain the National Dex.

ZeroHeart
January 21st, 2012, 08:22 AM
Honestly, at this point it's kinda just the norm for a third game to be released that adds a few things here and there. I'm so used to it now that it'd be weird if there wasn't one. Besides, Black and White can be improved on a bit, especially if a third game made a system jump to the 3DS. Imagine the possibilities.

BTW, I think I heard something about Game Freak registering a domain name for Pokemon Grey. If that wasn't disproved as a rumor yet, maybe it's proof of a third game.

Arago
January 21st, 2012, 01:12 PM
Yes, I do. It's tradition! I am very unsatisfied with the post-game, and I would very much like some things to be clarified of what happens to N (I would like him to have some appearance after you beat him). I think they need to cut that Black City / White Forest time thing where you need to get there fast or all of the good Pokémon and battlers will be gone, and I NEED to be able to rematch the gym leaders. ;____;

Xeberos
January 21st, 2012, 09:59 PM
I dunno... Black and White were good enough for me. But Diamond and Pearl has third game, Ruby and Sapphire has third game and so on... Let's see what things are going to be changed in 'Grey'.

Forever
January 21st, 2012, 11:23 PM
I think the fact that some of you are saying just because the other games had a third game is kinda weird. I mean, this is the tradition-breaking generation after all, and although Sugimori denied what the lady actually said, we don't really know whether he was just covering up the truth, giving fans false hope until R/S remakes when they just happen to skip to the next generation. You never know!

Either way, personally I'd like a third game just so that the region can be expanded, I really love the way it's designed and I'd love to see more of that. :( Plus something to play I guess!

The 100 Mega Shock
January 22nd, 2012, 08:59 AM
Every Pokemon game is still a multi-million seller, even the third versions. They make lots of money and get a chance to expand upon parts of the game they didn't get round to finishing before, as well as a chance to experiment with things they might be considering putting in their next game after that.

As long as people are still buying these games, they are a companies' dream in terms of the money they make for the work put in to them.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
January 22nd, 2012, 01:08 PM
I'll like to see a bigger backstory into Unova...I feel like there are many question's left unanswered...
If they did what forever said then I'll feel like they missed a great opportunity to expand on the region...until gen VII's Burn black and Lightning white...and I don't want to wait that long...
Plus it'a a tradition :)

Azure
January 22nd, 2012, 01:10 PM
There are some key important features that have been deliberately left out so I'd say yes.

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Khrysta
January 22nd, 2012, 06:22 PM
I don't think we need to expand on Unova anymore than what has been done. The Anime always takes care of the extra Canon that was missing. All the features that are added to the thirds are superficial and in my opinion usually a waste. Its always the same thing recycled with minor changes to the story. There is never really anything to do after the main game as there is never an extended story.

Thirds are usually used to test the waters for new development on a later project. The only Third game I've ever enjoyed was Platinum, but not for anything they added after, it was just the add of Charon and Giratina. The change of Cyrus's base made Galactic seem more BA.

They usually offer very little to the actual storyline. The BEST thing about Third games are always the changes to move sets thanks to Move Tutors.

There are always claims of "OH WHAT ABOUT THIS ONE SCRIPT THAT THEY DELIBERATELY LEFT OUT BUT IS THERE SO THEY ARE ABSLOLUTELY MAKING SOMETHING FOR IT!"

Yes I'm talking about the two hidden attacks Ice Burn and Freeze Shock as well as the God Stone.

Cacophony, Beserk Gene, Gold Leaf, Silver Leaf, Brick Piece. Filler information that was part of a production, an idea, but was scrapped before finalization of the game. Its something that has happened in every generation. Missingno from Gen 1 was left over Pokemon data. Gen 3 is what brought Cacophony which was the original version of Sound Proof.

We really don't need any more for Unova, we WANT more. We want the games to continue on and keep our own personal dreams a float.

I've adopted a, "Unless Gamefreak says something. Do not believe anything anyone else says." Why? Cause of that guy with the Youtube Video that "proved" the Starter Evolutions were "fake", and one guy here swore that Light Types would be official. Although they were wants.

I personally do not want a Third or Remakes for this Gen either. I want them to just go into the next one OR for a NEW change of pace start a sequel to the Events of Black and White. Like how Gold and Silver were sequels to Red and Blue. That is what I want to see them do.

rocky505
January 23rd, 2012, 05:53 AM
Also for those saying there will be no 3rd game. If there is no 3rd game then there is less money and ideas for future games. Plus we have had 3rd games every gen since blue came out in Japan. I really doubt they would just ditch the third game idea just to move to the 3ds for the next gen. Trust me there will be a third game. Things in bw may show there will be. Such as the god stone and kyurem's special moves. Remember blast burn frenzy plant and hydro cannon as well as volt tackle? Those are perfect examples to match kyurem's special moves and a new game.

Oryx
January 23rd, 2012, 07:57 AM
I don't think we need to expand on Unova anymore than what has been done. The Anime always takes care of the extra Canon that was missing. All the features that are added to the thirds are superficial and in my opinion usually a waste. Its always the same thing recycled with minor changes to the story. There is never really anything to do after the main game as there is never an extended story.

Thirds are usually used to test the waters for new development on a later project. The only Third game I've ever enjoyed was Platinum, but not for anything they added after, it was just the add of Charon and Giratina. The change of Cyrus's base made Galactic seem more BA.

They usually offer very little to the actual storyline. The BEST thing about Third games are always the changes to move sets thanks to Move Tutors.

There are always claims of "OH WHAT ABOUT THIS ONE SCRIPT THAT THEY DELIBERATELY LEFT OUT BUT IS THERE SO THEY ARE ABSLOLUTELY MAKING SOMETHING FOR IT!"

Yes I'm talking about the two hidden attacks Ice Burn and Freeze Shock as well as the God Stone.

Cacophony, Beserk Gene, Gold Leaf, Silver Leaf, Brick Piece. Filler information that was part of a production, an idea, but was scrapped before finalization of the game. Its something that has happened in every generation. Missingno from Gen 1 was left over Pokemon data. Gen 3 is what brought Cacophony which was the original version of Sound Proof.

We really don't need any more for Unova, we WANT more. We want the games to continue on and keep our own personal dreams a float.

I've adopted a, "Unless Gamefreak says something. Do not believe anything anyone else says." Why? Cause of that guy with the Youtube Video that "proved" the Starter Evolutions were "fake", and one guy here swore that Light Types would be official. Although they were wants.

I personally do not want a Third or Remakes for this Gen either. I want them to just go into the next one OR for a NEW change of pace start a sequel to the Events of Black and White. Like how Gold and Silver were sequels to Red and Blue. That is what I want to see them do.

Well, it's much, much more logical to assume that Gamefreak will do what they've always done, instead of assuming they won't until they do. Do you assuming that every game is the end of the series altogether, because Gamefreak hasn't yet announced that more main games are coming out yet?

I personally wouldn't want a Johto-like region. Because Johto was next to Kanto both ingame and irl (what it was based off of). I live near New York. You know what's near New York? Nothing. There's NY, a bunch of suburbs that wouldn't make for an interesting Pokemon regions, New Jersey (ew). There's just nothing there. Since they're ramping up the technology in the games, I would like a game based in a different part of the US, or Canada, or something like that, that you could reach Unova in by plane with a nice (skippable) cutscene.

The 100 Mega Shock
January 23rd, 2012, 11:11 AM
Note that Pokémon Yellow was released during a period when Gold and Silver were being dramatically recreated compared to the original pictures of a "Pocket Monsters II" that were shown in 1997, and that they were pretty much a tie-in to the success of the anime and the release of the first movie with minimal changes compared to Blue version because Game Freak were otherwise very busy.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. I've seen enough people on here complain that there was no new game in 2011, so you either have to live with games such as Emerald and Platinum if it means more new Pokémon games as a whole are released, or you wait longer for each original game.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™
January 23rd, 2012, 03:15 PM
I live near New York. You know what's near New York? Nothing. There's NY, a bunch of suburbs that wouldn't make for an interesting Pokemon regions, New Jersey (ew). There's just nothing there.
Well, there's always upstate/western New York State, but then again (and this comes from growing up there) there's nothing much there besides countryside, lakes, hills/mountains, and the crumbling remains of a once mighty photo industry giant. And all of those except that last one are already incorporated into Pokemon games.

And a New Jersey like sub region where your trainer is tasked with cleaning up the rampant crime and corruption that goes on there might make for an interesting diversion, lol Though I'm partial to the Charlotte/Gastonia/Rock Hill metro area myself xD

Honestly, I wouldn't mind a third game if the first two games were executed well. But since I was disappointed to the point of selling White back to GameStop for less than half of what I paid, I can say that I probably will not be buying the third game, and definitely will not be until they come out and I find out what they've fixed and what problems still remain. Not that I have much faith that all my concerns will be addressed, but I won't know for sure till they come out.

Of course, GameFreak shouldn't let little old me deter them from making another cash cow. If it means more money so 6th gen can restore my faith in the franchise, then I say go for it. Just don't expect MY money to be added to the corporate coffers till I deem a Pokemon game worthy of my purchase.

(There, I didn't say "We" this time. Satisfied now?)

The Nightmare
January 24th, 2012, 01:58 PM
first of all, the reason why we need a third one is because:
1. we need to know about kyurem because he wasn't added there for no reason.
2. we also need to know about genesect,meoletta,etc.
3. maybe more about N.
and maybe the third game could also have improvements like:
1. more things to do when you finish the game.
2. put more legendarys in the game (including the ones that were only released in japan and other countrys).
3. they should add sidequests like finding someones pokemon or item.
4. more places and secrets in the game.
5. maybe they should add jirachi or pokemon that you couldn't obtain in the previous games.

chella182
January 24th, 2012, 04:01 PM
I think we do, and I think it needs to be centred around Kyurem, so we learn more about it. I'll definitely buy a third game if there is one (and, at this point, I'm not really seeing why there won't be).

KaptainKaty
January 24th, 2012, 05:07 PM
If you are asking WILL they, my answer is they are more than likely going to make a third game. If you are asking SHOULD they, I feel they should as well. Not to repeat what a number of people have said before me, I will not bore you with the facts they neglected to point out in Black/White. I will say, however, it is interesting they are trying to resell the black/white games by giving an exclusive Lucario in the box. I don't feel that's a plea for help that they aren't selling enough copies. They sold a lot of copies of black and white. So the only reason I can think of them doing this is maybe they are trying to re-hype 5th gen for Gray?

Forever
January 24th, 2012, 10:05 PM
first of all, the reason why we need a third one is because:
2. we also need to know about genesect,meoletta,etc.
and maybe the third game could also have improvements like:
5. maybe they should add jirachi or pokemon that you couldn't obtain in the previous games.

Well, those events can always be released as events in Black and White, we don't necessarily need the third game to understand their "point" since the in-game events already do that.

Uhhh, Jirachi was basically a global wifi event, so... I really don't think they'd just include global wifi events because it'd make the events of the past useless, etc. Plus they are event-only for a reason, lol.

Katholic Nun
January 31st, 2012, 04:48 AM
I think the fact that some of you are saying just because the other games had a third game is kinda weird. I mean, this is the tradition-breaking generation after all, and although Sugimori denied what the lady actually said, we don't really know whether he was just covering up the truth, giving fans false hope until R/S remakes when they just happen to skip to the next generation.

The fact that Black and White break some traditions (and I do stress the word some, for they actually keep true to more traditions than they discard) does not mean that they should go out of their way to unnecessarily break more. Forgoing a third game and all the revenue that it can bring would be the very definition of changing things for the sake of changing things, which is something that should be discouraged in any context. Change must be done with purpose - if they are going to change the Pokemon game formula, there needs to be a reason beyond aiming to break tradition, because if there isn't, what benefit does that serve anybody?

As for the question itself, I do think a third is necessary. There is so much in those games that needs to be improved upon (which have been mentioned by previous posters so I will not rehash). Also, the theme of the games is the relationship between opposites (black and white) so a third game is necessary to bridge the gap and show what we've learned.

XEL
January 31st, 2012, 05:53 AM
The only reason I see a third game being necessary is for the dream world version of Unova pokemon. They don't have overworld sprites in BW so we can only hope to get them in future installments of the game. That said, I doubt they'd include an entralink forest in Hoenn. I want my Contrary Serperior..

Khrysta
February 1st, 2012, 01:18 PM
The only reason I see a third game being necessary is for the dream world version of Unova pokemon. They don't have overworld sprites in BW so we can only hope to get them in future installments of the game. That said, I doubt they'd include an entralink forest in Hoenn. I want my Contrary Serperior..

That would just be a later update. They just add Pokemon to the Dream World when they feel an Update is in order.

XEL
February 1st, 2012, 01:48 PM
That would just be a later update. They just add Pokemon to the Dream World when they feel an Update is in order.

No, no, what I'm saying is that the Unova Pokemon don't have overworld sprites scripted into the BW games. That means that they can't show up in the Entralink Forest. Which means the only way to get DW BW Pokemon through "waking up" is if a third installment is released, at least as far as I'm aware.

Kirbydude56
February 1st, 2012, 01:58 PM
I feel that there does need to be one they make one with all other ones so they should.

Musica
February 2nd, 2012, 05:21 AM
There are a lot of closures and "uncut" stuff on almost all third games. Nintendo may reveal these "secrets" on the Third game if ever it gets released.

Zythrone
February 2nd, 2012, 05:24 AM
My thoughts?

If they make it, I will buy it...

If they don't make it, I won't complain...

Railgun
February 2nd, 2012, 06:10 AM
I feel if any gen needs one its this one. So many things left unsaid about N and Plasma. Like I would like to know more about the Shadow Triad plus the two girls who cared for N. Maybe even put an option in so the charecter can date people. So it can be TokoXN or ToukoXBianca or even TouyaXN I would enjoy it

Yoshikkko
February 2nd, 2012, 06:24 AM
Well it's not really necessary as much as it'd just make the companies a lot of money, there's no reason to not release a third game. It's not like it's needed at all. I don't think I am gonna buy it anyway, wasn't really stoked on BW.

Khrysta
February 2nd, 2012, 12:31 PM
No, no, what I'm saying is that the Unova Pokemon don't have overworld sprites scripted into the BW games. That means that they can't show up in the Entralink Forest. Which means the only way to get DW BW Pokemon through "waking up" is if a third installment is released, at least as far as I'm aware.

Yes Gen 5 Pokemon have Overworld Sprites. You can see various ones when you entered houses and during various events like Zorua's Event, Zoroark's Event, Volcarona's Event, there are Zen Mode Darmanitan in the Desert, Munna and Musharna appear in the very beginning of the game, Munna is given back to Bianca in Castelia, not to mention the Legendaries.

Mechanic
February 2nd, 2012, 12:50 PM
It's simple, if there is no third game for this generation then just some things may happen...

A whole new Pokemon with a whole new list of 151 extra Pokemon and another same-all over storyline orrrrr.... Finally something fresh out of the oven re-using all the Pokemon that were already made instead of the usual "complete the pokedex, become the best, beat gym leaders and stop team xx from doing their mischief".

I would actually love that whole new thing instead of a makeover but come on, since 1st gen we have had 3rd games, are they really planning to stop now? I don't really think so people :) It's now really that we need it, it's just that it has become a tradition and a proven method to make more money for them, Let's take this into account and raise your hands, how many of you bought the 3rd game after you had already owned and finished one of the 2 pre-games that came out??? That will tell you enough :P

The 100 Mega Shock
February 2nd, 2012, 02:21 PM
Yes Gen 5 Pokemon have Overworld Sprites. You can see various ones when you entered houses and during various events like Zorua's Event, Zoroark's Event, Volcarona's Event, there are Zen Mode Darmanitan in the Desert, Munna and Musharna appear in the very beginning of the game, Munna is given back to Bianca in Castelia, not to mention the Legendaries.

Those are the only ones that were drawn and exist in the game's data. That's a grand total of 9 non-legendary Pokemon.

He's right, dude.

Khrysta
February 2nd, 2012, 04:04 PM
Then they also wouldn't have programmed Gen 5 Pokemon with Dream World abilities already.

The 100 Mega Shock
February 2nd, 2012, 04:16 PM
Uh you can obtain several Unovan Pokémon in the game right now with Hidden Abilities. It's not hard to assign them hidden abilities in case they want to make them available by special means in-game or through a Mystery Gift.

Unovan Pokémon will never and can never appear in your Entree Forest.

Taro Tanaka
February 2nd, 2012, 04:19 PM
I think that a third game to Black and White would be appropriate. For instance, the whole "Truth vs Ideals/Nature vs Technology" concept could be settled, since Kyurem represents the absence of taoism, giving a possibility of a new story, more or less. Not only that, but certain locations can be tweaked to make them appear to've embraced both truths and ideals, instead of just taking sides.

HyperXhydra
February 4th, 2012, 02:57 PM
B/W sure needs a 3rd game, there are many things are missing in these games.
Also Kyurem is in these games for a reason...

vizarod
February 5th, 2012, 06:20 PM
Hecks yeah and it better be better than BW because those games sucked, in my opinion. The storyline needs to be longer and better, and some of the pokemon suck, but they never change those, which really wouldn't make much sense anyway.

Lewny
February 6th, 2012, 09:47 AM
Yes, yes we do ! 3D pokemon game will be EPIC :O

d4rka8isz
February 7th, 2012, 10:14 PM
What I'd want to see are the following:
-Rebattling gym leaders (maybe a VS Seeker for regular trainers)
-More story on the sages and the two ladies in N's Castle
-Where did Ghetsis go?
-I'd really love to be able to meet N one last time in Accumula Town talking about what he's learned. It's kinda like how Cheren does that on Route 5. Accumula Town is where he met you first anyways.
-Maybe battle other champions? Or N again...

That's about it!

Oh! Also contests and stuff for it. The musical wasn't that fun...

Eevolution
February 7th, 2012, 10:52 PM
If people keep buying them, they'll keep making them. Simple.

That said, I personally wouldn't mind a new game to play.

rocky505
February 7th, 2012, 11:04 PM
Yes Gen 5 Pokemon have Overworld Sprites. You can see various ones when you entered houses and during various events like Zorua's Event, Zoroark's Event, Volcarona's Event, there are Zen Mode Darmanitan in the Desert, Munna and Musharna appear in the very beginning of the game, Munna is given back to Bianca in Castelia, not to mention the Legendaries.

Mincinno and cottenee/petilil at the daycare
Krokorok- with clay on route 6 and in a house in the desert.

Yes there are some ow sprites but not all of them

Forever
February 26th, 2012, 06:04 AM
Due to this being kinda irrelevant now - and the fact that we have a thread asking if you want a fifth Unova game and why anyway, I'm locking this.
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