Help for Umbreon

[Eon-Rider]

My current Umbreon is this:

Baton Passer
Bold Nature(+def-atk)
Attacks:
Moonlight
Baton Pass
Double Team

Can someone give my Umbreon another attack and also, does moonlight get powered by any weather condition?

Suggest any changes that should be made

[Phlemingo]

How about mean look? Mean look something that you're quite sure can't do enough to you so that you can't recover it off and double team away, then pass it.

Edit: Sunny Day powers up moonlight I think. Don't ask me how that works.

[Pokedragonfire]

Give it an attacking attack, probably Faint Attack would work.
Sunny Day changes Moonlight to Heal Full HP, and Rain Dance changes it to Heal 1/4 HP. At least I think so if I'm wrong don't yell at me ._.
Don't give it any weather moves as the last one since you need an attack that does damage.

[Kholdstaire]

No, it isn't full HP. If a move could heal all HP, it'd be broken. It heals 2/3, I do believe, but I'm open to being wrong.

Anyway, Double Team whoring is so 2002....


-Tickle
-Toxic
-Moonlight
-Return/Confuse Ray

Defensive wall. Pseudo-hazer. Send in against Cursers and Dragon Dancers.

[Ice demon]

i find that toxic, mean look,baton pass,rest @ leftovers to work best with umbreon..
its beaten more than its share of ubar user's mewtwos/lugias etc
funny when the get all pissed....

[HellishHades]

No, it isn't full HP. If a move could heal all HP, it'd be broken. It heals 2/3, I do believe, but I'm open to being wrong.

Anyway, Double Team whoring is so 2002....


-Tickle
-Toxic
-Moonlight
-Return/Confuse Ray

Defensive wall. Pseudo-hazer. Send in against Cursers and Dragon Dancers.

Rest heals all HP, but I know what you mean. Moonlight doesn't have any negative status effects.

Moonlight/Synthesis/Morning Sun:

in rain, hail, sandstorm: 1/3
when normal: 1/2
in sunlight: 2/3

[Frostweaver]

Umbreon- [def or sp.def + / sp.atk or atk -] @ leftovers
EV: HP, def, sp.def
-HP Dark / Return / Shadowball
-toxic
-wish / rest / moonlight
-charm / tickle (if using physical attacks) / moonlight / wish / rest

I like Umbreon to be constantly healing over confuse ray personally... the most annoying thing ever. All Umbreons of 2005 MUST have a physical attack to fight off focus punch. It's too stabled nowadays that Umbreons cannot attack and out comes all the taunt users and focus punchers. Stop them immediately by packing yourself one physical attack to yeild off focus punch.

[Pokemon is chess]

You're kidding. Stop trying to make pokemon standards, you have NO clue how to use Umbreon. Annoyers don't work, and neither does attacking Umbreon. Nice try, though.

[EVA02]

You're kidding. Stop trying to make pokemon standards, you have NO clue how to use Umbreon. Annoyers don't work, and neither does attacking Umbreon. Nice try, though.
hey dont go angry at them fer talking about a pokemon

[HellishHades]

You're kidding. Stop trying to make pokemon standards, you have NO clue how to use Umbreon. Annoyers don't work, and neither does attacking Umbreon. Nice try, though.

forstweaver's Charm / Mean Look / Baton Pass / Rest (or whatever else) Umbreon works surprisingly well for a set-up to the BPed monster. I don't see any exclusively-attacking Umbreon, either.

[Pokemon is chess]

I don't see any exclusively-attacking Umbreon, either.

Umbreon- [def or sp.def + / sp.atk or atk -] @ leftovers
EV: HP, def, sp.def
-HP Dark / Return / Shadowball
-toxic
-wish / rest / moonlight
-charm / tickle (if using physical attacks) / moonlight / wish / rest

I like Umbreon to be constantly healing over confuse ray personally... the most annoying thing ever. All Umbreons of 2005 MUST have a physical attack to fight off focus punch. It's too stabled nowadays that Umbreons cannot attack and out comes all the taunt users and focus punchers. Stop them immediately by packing yourself one physical attack to yeild off focus punch.

You have the reading comprehension of Jesus himself sir

[NaVeR]

Pokemon is chess... that doesn't really help... anyone -.-;

I'd say frostweaver's moveset is pretty decent...

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Relaxed (+Def, - Spd); Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Sp. Def
-Toxic/Confuse Ray
-Screech/Quick Attack
-Attract/Double Team/Confuse Ray
-Mean Look

Attract is more effective, but Double Team is more versatile (like against Genderless Pokémon). There are lots of more choices of course.

I'm not so good at making movesets^^;;

[HellishHades]

You have the reading comprehension of Jesus himself sir

He did write in the sand once, sir. Any person to reference Jesus worth his salt would know that. That was a nice try, though.

randomPoke used Sub!
Umbreon used Return!
The Sub broke!

... and so on.

One attacking move can be useful.


Edit: Nor do I see an Umbreon that devotes four move slots to damage-dealing moves.

Exclusive (definition): Not allowing something else; incompatible.

[Pokemon is chess]

So where exactly did I say he used a 4 attack Umbreon? Attacking Umbreon only suggests that he is using at least 1 attack, and a well made Umbreon set shouldn't have any. It is futile to argue with me, I'm one of the worlds best at pokemon :(

ps I dont believe in God or Jesus I just like using his name

but it's cool that you will try to pull **** and act like you have any clue about what you are talking about

[Cornelius Sure Is Fickle~]

jesus died for this!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Pokemon is chess]

Pokemon is chess... that doesn't really help... anyone -.-;

I'd say frostweaver's moveset is pretty decent...

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Relaxed (+Def, - Spd); Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Sp. Def
-Toxic/Confuse Ray
-Screech/Quick Attack
-Attract/Double Team/Confuse Ray
-Mean Look

Attract is more effective, but Double Team is more versatile (like against Genderless Pokémon). There are lots of more choices of course.

I'm not so good at making movesets^^;;

yeah I agree

[Frostweaver]

Tanking is what Umbreon is for, but weakness to focus punch with a standard of 4 non damage dealing moves is just asking for focus punch... possible to say "what if the opponent doesn't have focus punch?' Well what if they do? =/

Doesn't take much skill to predict that 98% of Umbreons out there just die to focus punch even if substitute isn't out there... best to be the 2% and stop the opponent from getting free focus punch. Plus, what's the point of playing a whole team of standard? Have to go out and try new things, and that's how new strategies get developped ^^

(but Umbreon cannot break 101 subs unless it's super effective)

Umbreon can go offensive as well, but then you must revert to curseons with shadow ball and return, and hp physical and etc...

And don't risk yourself to be close to getting a warning already for unnecessary rudeness or flaming =/ Let's just leave Christ out of this petty discussion...

[Pokemon is chess]

Cool, Baton Pass goes before Focus Punch. Shadow Ball is such a great idea :) Watch out Medicham/Heracross, Shadow Ball is HERE TO STOP YOU

edit: I sure do try out new stuff, most of the new standards on NB were developed by me. I can use my common sense though and tell you an attacking Umbreon will never work, however

[Steelicks]

Let's just leave Christ out of this petty discussion...

lol

[Pokemon is chess]

welcome to the internet, Steelicks! :D

[Steelicks]

wow lol internet XD XD XD

i heer you own the internet good sir

[Steelicks]

by heading over to a better poekmon site

i hear that http://www.linear.cc/smogon/forum/index.php is a much better messageboard than this place

[NaVeR]

I'm not so good at making movesets^^;; yeah I agree
And that came from the guy who's just po'ing people and not posting any helpful info :D

Go ahead and move, you'll be doing us a favor ;)

On Topic: coolmaster, I suggest either waiting around for more movesets, or taking frostweaver's or Ice Demon's movesets. They're both ok.

Or you could come up with your own, if you're fealing saucy ^-^;;

[Ryoutarou]

You need to watch you say next time. Weather you meant it or not that is NOT allowed. So calm down unless you want a ban soon.

[Arcanine]

Pokemon is chess, you cut the racial slurs and rude posts right now or you will be banned from PC.

[Shdwfalcon]

Umbreon:
Quick Attack
Toxic / Confuse Ray
Screech / Confuse Ray
Mean Look
@Leftovers

Quick Attack has 20PPs, so you can last quite some time when its PPs are maxed. And with two of the three moves (Toxic, Screech, Confuse Ray), it helps accelerate the KO process... Push EVs to HP, Def and S.Def. Leave Spd out coz you are going first when attacking anyway, The only way you can heal is through Lefties though...

If you fear the opposing team have a high resistance (i.e. plenty of Steel and Poison) to Toxic or can easily recover all their status, use Confuse Ray and Screech instead. Confuse him, then Screech, and once his defense is much lower, QA works well.

The only thing you are totally helpless against are ghost types... But I don't see alot of people leading with ghost types, so... Well, you do the Maths.

And Pokemon is chess, please give up arguing. Coolmaster ask for help in his moveset, not pointless comments to take down other people's posted movesets.

[HellishHades]

So where exactly did I say he used a 4 attack Umbreon? Attacking Umbreon only suggests that he is using at least 1 attack, and a well made Umbreon set shouldn't have any. It is futile to argue with me, I'm one of the worlds best at pokemon :(


Now, you didn't read my post.


forstweaver's Charm / Mean Look / Baton Pass / Rest (or whatever else) Umbreon works surprisingly well for a set-up to the BPed monster. I don't see any exclusively-attacking Umbreon, either.

ps I dont believe in God or Jesus I just like using his name
I think you made that clear with the derogatory reference. All religions are about inclusion and respect. I therefore do not know which religion to which you could belong, since you seem to exibit niether.

but it's cool that you will try to pull **** and act like you have any clue about what you are talking about

I can "pull ****" all day, sir.

[C.O.H]

Try to learn Umbreon Psychic, always good!

[Kholdstaire]

OMG Steelicks don't double post [/sarcasm]

Try to learn Umbreon Psychic, always good!

no

[Phlemingo]

There are a good many focus punchers that do not have substitute. These are usually the *predict and whack* or *yawn force switch* type that do that. For the yawners, just switch into something resistant. I make a reference here to Toothache's pride and joy, the fping dusclops. Trust me, it really works. Just moments ago, some T-tar came out against my 1/2 life dusclops and started to dance. Probably hoped I would miss will o wisp, or get hit and cured by his lum. Anyway, kaboom. One hit KO. For Umbreon to have an attacking move, it is usually just to flinch these pokes. Quick Attack can be used also (can it learn it?) for double usage; 1) Keep away Focus Punchers, and 2) Kill Endure/Sub reversallers. Hence, Quick Attack would be good on Umbreon for those 2 purposes. For another example of a prediction focus puncher, it would have to be medicham, Choice Banded. Say you send it against dusclops, opponent is afraid of that cb'd shadow ball. Changes to normal type. DIE BY SUPER EFFECTIVE CB FOCUS PUNCH.
See how it can be used? Also, even if Umbreon does have some attack, it doesn't neccassarily need to have any attack evs. Take starmie for example. Its main use is to special sweep, but it can rapid spin. Noone uses rapid spin that way though, yet rapid spin is effective for flinching a focus puncher too, since it is, after all, a damaging attack.

OH, and, Pokemon is Chess? Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are not one of the best Pokemon Players. :(

PS
Kholdstaire: Love your sig dude! :O

[Eon-Rider]

Is this okay???

Umbreon@Salac Berry
Baton Passer
Bold(+atk-def)
Attacks:
Mean look
Toxic
Double Team
Baton Pass

[Phlemingo]

Is this okay???

Umbreon@Salac Berry
Baton Passer
Bold(+atk-def)
Attacks:
Mean look
Toxic
Double Team
Baton Pass
Umbreon isn't very good in bping stats except for double team, and we all know it is cheap. :(
Mean Look and Baton Pass is good, I assume you know how to use it. As aforementioned, double team is cheap, but it could work. Since you're upping evasion, you probably won't be getting hit much, so salac berry is redundant, as your health won't fall low. Bold is +def -att by the way...
Toxic can work, but as you can see from previous discussions, you might like a damaging move there.

[Eon-Rider]

I actually meant +def-atk

[Kholdstaire]

There are a good many focus punchers that do not have substitute. These are usually the *predict and whack* or *yawn force switch* type that do that. For the yawners, just switch into something resistant. I make a reference here to Toothache's pride and joy, the fping dusclops. Trust me, it really works. Just moments ago, some T-tar came out against my 1/2 life dusclops and started to dance. Probably hoped I would miss will o wisp, or get hit and cured by his lum. Anyway, kaboom. One hit KO. For Umbreon to have an attacking move, it is usually just to flinch these pokes. Quick Attack can be used also (can it learn it?) for double usage; 1) Keep away Focus Punchers, and 2) Kill Endure/Sub reversallers. Hence, Quick Attack would be good on Umbreon for those 2 purposes. For another example of a prediction focus puncher, it would have to be medicham, Choice Banded. Say you send it against dusclops, opponent is afraid of that cb'd shadow ball. Changes to normal type. DIE BY SUPER EFFECTIVE CB FOCUS PUNCH.
See how it can be used? Also, even if Umbreon does have some attack, it doesn't neccassarily need to have any attack evs. Take starmie for example. Its main use is to special sweep, but it can rapid spin. Noone uses rapid spin that way though, yet rapid spin is effective for flinching a focus puncher too, since it is, after all, a damaging attack.

OH, and, Pokemon is Chess? Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are not one of the best Pokemon Players. :(

PS
Kholdstaire: Love your sig dude! :O

You are now cool =]

[Pokemon is chess]

Now, you didn't read my post.

Who cares? I could say the same thing, as I wasn't talking about an exclusive-attacking Umbreon in the first place. The rest I will ignore since religion is not important in Pokemon or at all, really. Whether you think you are right or not, having an attack move on Umbreon is a horrid idea.

To that Phlemingo or whoever guy

Begin Turn #31
Mordecai is tightening its focus!
Blissey used Ice Beam!
The Substitute took damage for Mordecai!
Mordecai's Substitute faded!
---------------------------------
Mordecai used Focus Punch!
(33% damage)
It's super effective!
Blissey fainted!

End Battle! chaos N wins!
Score: 5 to 0

you can believe what you wish, but i'm better than you for sure and it is wide opinion that I am the best RS player. :)

[Lion Heart]

Attacking Umbreon is a bad idea.

[Phlemingo]

Who cares? I could say the same thing, as I wasn't talking about an exclusive-attacking Umbreon in the first place. The rest I will ignore since religion is not important in Pokemon or at all, really. Whether you think you are right or not, having an attack move on Umbreon is a horrid idea.

To that Phlemingo or whoever guy

Begin Turn #31
Mordecai is tightening its focus!
Blissey used Ice Beam!
The Substitute took damage for Mordecai!
Mordecai's Substitute faded!
---------------------------------
Mordecai used Focus Punch!
(33% damage)
It's super effective!
Blissey fainted!

End Battle! chaos N wins!
Score: 5 to 0

you can believe what you wish, but i'm better than you for sure and it is wide opinion that I am the best RS player. :)
Um, what was the point of showing that? I didn't say I don't believe anything along that lines. As for the Umbreon one, some people might not even bother subbing because they think Umbreon has no attacking moves, so it might flinch it. Of course, some would sub. But that's a different story. I didn't exactly say it was a great idea... I was just trying to explain what some people had said before that.

[Pokemon is chess]

OH, and, Pokemon is Chess? Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are not one of the best Pokemon Players.


Um, what was the point of showing that? I didn't say I don't believe anything along that lines.

okay


also you people don't even get it because you use stupid stuff like toxic and confuse ray as if that is going to do anything

Luvdisc, return!
Go, Machamp!
- Umbreon used Mean Look!
Machamp is tightening its focus...
- Umbreon used Baton Pass!
- Go, Salamence!
Machamp used Focus Punch!

What is the point of Shadow Ball or any other fighting move? Wow, that is going to bust up Machamp pretty good when you could just do what I showed in the example and kill it straight off. What you SHOULD be worrying about is Megahorn and such which you cant Baton Pass out of. Jesus Christ! (I heard he drew lines in the sand. How relevant I hope what's his face gives some insightful and always witty comments on my use of the Lord's name)

[Drayano]

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 232 HP / 140 Def / 136 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Taunt
- Mean Look
- Wish

Hopefully that will work. Taunt to stop Rawr, then pass some Mean Look or (P)pass a Wish along.

[Pokemon is chess]

yes that is the chaosbreon except I had Moonlight over wish

works best in tandem with celebi

[HellishHades]

okay


also you people don't even get it because you use stupid stuff like toxic and confuse ray as if that is going to do anything

Luvdisc, return!
Go, Machamp!
- Umbreon used Mean Look!
Machamp is tightening its focus...
- Umbreon used Baton Pass!
- Go, Salamence!
Machamp used Focus Punch!

What is the point of Shadow Ball or any other fighting move? Wow, that is going to bust up Machamp pretty good when you could just do what I showed in the example and kill it straight off. What you SHOULD be worrying about is Megahorn and such which you cant Baton Pass out of. Jesus Christ! (I heard he drew lines in the sand. How relevant I hope what's his face gives some insightful and always witty comments on my use of the Lord's name)


What's his face here. I don't agree with frostweaver saying that every Umbreon needs an attack, but it could come in useful in some cases, not every case.

Your point is taken. Umbreon is used as a supporting role, and does not necessarily need damage-dealing moves, as such.

I'm not here for religious comments, I'm just a witty Scheiße disturber.

PS: My handle contains "hellish" and "hades", and
hellish || hades + Jesus = oxymoron;