Battlers Debate: Why is FLY so much hated?

[LanceLite]

As topic says. This is a debate on why the move FLY (Move name: Fly, Power: 70, Accuracy: 90, Type: Flying, Physical Attack) is so much hated and not used. Most probably many will take the side against FLY while a very small amount will take the side with FLY. I will start the debate, but I will take the side of going with FLY.

The move Fly is the most easiest taught to a flying pokemon. its attack power is 70, 10 more than the usual Arial Ace or Wing Attack. even though it is known to miss sometimes because of 90 accuracy, it is the next strongest flying type attack after aeroblast. Fly stalls you for some time, and on the process of attacking and if your bird is fast enough, it can make your opponent's move miss. if used repeatedly sometimes it works as an annoyer (i've tried it as annoyer and it works for me alot) and can get convinient at times.

thats all i'll say for now until someone else posts.

[Demonion]

Skarmory vs Venusaur

Skarmory used Fly!
->
Enemy withdraw Venusaur and send out Magneton!
->
Its not very effective
->
Magneton used Thunderbolt!
->
Skarmory fainted

[Elite Trainer Raven]

As demonstrated above, it leaves yourself open so the opponent can send in something stronger. Not to mention, anything flying in the air is an easier target to hit when using Thunder. You're a sitting duck for ThunderDancers.

It's about as useful as Dive and Dig. Not very.

[Composer of Requiems]

Fly = easily blocked most of the time; once flying, you can't cancel the move...

[Shuckle]

I will now tear apart your post and make you look like an idiot.

The move Fly is the most easiest taught to a flying pokemon. its attack power is 70, 10 more than the usual Arial Ace or Wing Attack. now this is where I detect idiocy one, arial ace and wing attack can attack twice in two turns, not once, which lets you do more net damage. even though it is known to miss sometimes because of 90 accuracy, it is the next strongest flying type attack after aeroblast.idiocy two, drill peck and HP flying outdo this move in so many ways. Fly stalls you for some time, enough for them to switch to golem or magneton as was earlier presented. and on the process of attacking and if your bird is fast enough, it can make your opponent's move miss. if used repeatedly sometimes it works as an annoyer no(i've tried it as annoyer and it works for me alot)ingame only and can get convinient at times.only when you need to fly somehwere

[HellishHades]

Protect || Sub > Fly for stalling purposes
Aerial Ace || HP Flying > Fly for attacking purposes

End of story.

[klducks]

the only reason you should use fly is if its ingame

Protect || Sub > Fly for stalling purposes

klswellow \../

[LanceLite]

it works EXCELLENT in my way of annoying. when my opponent switches to another pokemon.

Salamence vs Venasuar
Salamence used fly
Venasaur returned and Magneton put in.
Mangeton cant do anything good with thunderbolt cos salamence is dragon.
magneton dead with flamethrower.

i didnt say Fly had to be on at flying pokemon ALL the time. using different pokemon i can use fly differently.

but on the other hand......
crobat vs. venasuar
crobat used fly
venasaur returned for magneton.
this will be a problem. sludgebomb wont work. while that guy thunderbolts my crobat it will last cos its EV's of spdef is maxed out with nature boosting spdef on it. i'll either switch to another pokemon or either whirlwind it away.

[klducks]

klswellow owns your salamence =)

[Jarmen_Kell]

BTW, the "strongest" Flying type move (with the most Base Power) is Sky Attack (I think) which is even worst (if possible) than Fly.

[Aaron5367]

I dont know flys no that bad... I use it on gym leaders and since they are so stupid it works on them.... I kinda like it outside of battle also...

Thanks,
Aaron

[Rubberbandman]

The only reason I will use it is outside of battle,other than that,I replace it v_v

[Pokedragonfire]

Well Fly can be useful in 2 vs 2 since your opponent has no idea which pokemon you are targeting. It is unlikely they would switch both.

[Frostweaver]

Well Fly can be useful in 2 vs 2 since your opponent has no idea which pokemon you are targeting. It is unlikely they would switch both.

but then in 2vs2 there are better strategies... like ghost/protect+explosion, skill swapping, healing each other by abusing absorbs and etc...

The only reason why you should use fly is perhaps to stall while doing damage I suppose... but then I can't think of any good flyers that can stall like that =/

[Jesus Freak Josh]

like ghost/protect+explosion, skill swapping, healing each other by abusing absorbs and etc...

That's what I use. Ghost Explosion.
Anyways, yes Fly really sucks. You'd have a MUCH better shot with Aeroblast. However that has less PP and is the best in battling in Stadium when it's 3 on 3.

However, if your opponent is a n00b, Fly is a good move to use.

[Kholdstaire]

I dont know flys no that bad... I use it on gym leaders and since they are so stupid it works on them.... I kinda like it outside of battle also...

Thanks,
Aaron
Please note, you can beat gym leaders with Tackle also, so, you know, don't refer to the goodness of a move based on things IN game. It is only good in game out of battle. In competitive battling, if you use Fly, you should just quit playing =[

[Phlemingo]

Fly/Dig/Dive gives your opponent a turn to switch to something resistant and counter you. If you want to spring a super effective on your opponent, do something that the pokemon using it can learn but is not very often used, such as Aerial Ace on Dugtrio... I couldn't think of a better example. I know it is quite often used, meh. And if you use, say, Aerial Ace on Aerodactyl and magneton is sent out against the aerial ace, you can earthquake it. If you had used fly, you would have gone first and come down on magneton, and be killed by thunderbolt.

[Spike Razzor]

it works EXCELLENT in my way of annoying. when my opponent switches to another pokemon.

Salamence vs Venasuar
Salamence used fly
Venasaur returned and Magneton put in.
Mangeton cant do anything good with thunderbolt cos salamence is dragon.
magneton dead with flamethrower.

i didnt say Fly had to be on at flying pokemon ALL the time. using different pokemon i can use fly differently.

but on the other hand......
crobat vs. venasuar
crobat used fly
venasaur returned for magneton.
this will be a problem. sludgebomb wont work. while that guy thunderbolts my crobat it will last cos its EV's of spdef is maxed out with nature boosting spdef on it. i'll either switch to another pokemon or either whirlwind it away.This is not a debate, its a waste of peoples time. Fly is stupid, only used in the game for moving purposes. It takes 2 turns to do about 70 damage. In 2 turns I could Aerial Ace and does 120 damage. No one is stupid enough to leave Magneton out to face Salemence, and Quake would of been a choice attack anyways. All in all, you failed horribly...

Salamence v.s. Heracross
Salamences Intimidate cuts Heracross's attack.
Salamence flew up high.

Trainer withdrew Heracross, trainer sends out Rhydon.
Salamence uses Fly, its not very effective... (18% damage)

Newbie withdrew Salamence, newbie sends out Skeptile.
Rhydon uses Megahorn, its super effective! (100% damage)
Sceptile fainted.

Someone with skills would know your probably stupid and predicted a switch, so you end up losing a Pokemon =(. And when you can tell me what idiot maxes out Sp.Def on a Crobat, then you can continue talking, if not then just stfu please and thank you =).

[Kholdstaire]

I couldn't have said that any better =[

[Ice demon]

Also one could use the turn to boost stats using CM/DD/curse/SD
etc....
is really not debatable
fly is worthless
in competitive
battling

[Kholdstaire]

This thread has an invisible sign that says "Please Close Me".

If you think this thread is dumb, then you can read the sign =]

[LanceLite]

HEY! IN DEBATES BY HELL U DONT FLAME!!! and theres NO WAY that im gonna use fly properly. i just took its side cos 99.9999% ppl will go against it. and that salamence fly battle i posted WAS TOTALLY dreamed up by me. i just posted it right there.

U GUYS NEED TO BE REPORTED RITE DOWN NOW.

[Pachy]

HEY! fly isnt worthless! it is actually quite useful,

1.you cant get hit on 2nd turn until you attack
2. that turn can be used to avoid damage and maybe survive long enough to win
3.fly takes you places in the world, if you dont have fly then you cant get ANYWHERE with out walking/running/riding something includes boats or even the cable car on Ru/Sa
4. with proper move sets/held items you can use fly to your advantage

I think that the only reason you ppl say fly is worthless is because you are too stupid or too lazy to put it in a move set that can use it

Here is how i use fly in the battle
Me HP:100 Item:Leftovers
Opponent HP: 100 Item: Quick claw
Opponent uses tackle
i take 12 damage
I use fly
I recover 6 hp with left overs
opponent uses tackle, he misses
Using Quick claw opponent gets first attack
he uses tackle
I recover 6 hp using leftovers
i attack.
opponent takes 25 damage
Opponent uses tackle
i take 12 damage
I use fly
I recover 6 hp with left overs
opponent uses tackle, he misses
Using Quick claw opponent gets first attack
he uses tackle
I recover 6 hp using leftovers
i attack.
opponent takes 25 damage
Opponent uses tackle
i take 12 damage
I use fly
I recover 6 hp with left overs
opponent uses tackle, he misses
Using Quick claw opponent gets first attack
he uses tackle
I recover 6 hp using leftovers
i attack.
opponent takes 25 damage
Opponent uses tackle
i take 12 damage
I use fly
I recover 6 hp with left overs
opponent uses tackle, he misses
Using Quick claw opponent gets first attack
he uses tackle
I recover 6 hp using leftovers
i attack.
opponent takes 25 damage
the opponent faints
I win!:D

[Pokemon is chess]

You all are stupid. Fly sucks :\ Drill Peck is the best flying attack, and if you dare say Aeroblast is I hope your gameshark'd salamence enjoys 4 uses of aeroblast against suicune

[Spike Razzor]

HEY! fly isnt worthless! it is actually quite useful,

1.you cant get hit on 2nd turn until you attack
2. that turn can be used to avoid damage and maybe survive long enough to win
3.fly takes you places in the world, if you dont have fly then you cant get ANYWHERE with out walking/running/riding something includes boats or even the cable car on Ru/Sa
4. with proper move sets/held items you can use fly to your advantage

I think that the only reason you ppl say fly is worthless is because you are too stupid or too lazy to put it in a move set that can use it

Here is how i use fly in the battle
Me HP:100 Item:Leftovers
Opponent HP: 100 Item: Quick claw
Opponent uses tackle
i take 12 damage
I use fly
I recover 6 hp with left overs
opponent uses tackle, he misses
Using Quick claw opponent gets first attack
he uses tackle
I recover 6 hp using leftovers
i attack.
opponent takes 25 damage
Opponent uses tackle
i take 12 damage
I use fly
I recover 6 hp with left overs
opponent uses tackle, he misses
Using Quick claw opponent gets first attack
he uses tackle
I recover 6 hp using leftovers
i attack.
opponent takes 25 damage
Opponent uses tackle
i take 12 damage
I use fly
I recover 6 hp with left overs
opponent uses tackle, he misses
Using Quick claw opponent gets first attack
he uses tackle
I recover 6 hp using leftovers
i attack.
opponent takes 25 damage
Opponent uses tackle
i take 12 damage
I use fly
I recover 6 hp with left overs
opponent uses tackle, he misses
Using Quick claw opponent gets first attack
he uses tackle
I recover 6 hp using leftovers
i attack.
opponent takes 25 damage
the opponent faints
I win!:D
You are such a ingame n00b its not funny... Quick Claw DOES NOT insure a first hit, otherwise you would of lost on the first turn. When you use Fly, your opponent can switch to something that resist the attack and beat you down. Just because your friends with 6 legends on there team are too dumb to switch it doesn't mean than your newbie tactic will work.

Toothache, please close this stupid topic! This isn't even a debate, its meaning less spam. Its a bunch of Stupid, Pointless, Annoying Messages from people who have never battled seriously.

[Shuckle]

kk now, the most hated strategist is here to explian some things to ye of young age. :]

if you think fly is good out of ingame, you need to get off the computer and go die or something. and if you dont understand that fly is not good, I dont know how you understood how to turn on the computer, because they tank about the same brain activity to do.

now on a final note

yo ppls, strats and ms is getting too big for the likes of one crazy brit, we need at least one new mod hur, and you know hwo I am thinking of.

[Bleach and Sunshine]

I think why fly is hated because there is a chance of it to be negated before it hit's.

[HellishHades]

HEY! IN DEBATES BY HELL U DONT FLAME!!! and theres NO WAY that im gonna use fly properly. i just took its side cos 99.9999% ppl will go against it. and that salamence fly battle i posted WAS TOTALLY dreamed up by me. i just posted it right there.

U GUYS NEED TO BE REPORTED RITE DOWN NOW.

And politicians -- people who debate -- are nice people, who never call each other nasty names.

You all are stupid. Fly sucks Drill Peck is the best flying attack, and if you dare say Aeroblast is I hope your gameshark'd salamence enjoys 4 uses of aeroblast against suicune
That's the right shite.

Toothache, please close this stupid topic! This isn't even a debate, its meaning less spam. Its a bunch of Stupid, Pointless, Annoying Messages from people who have never battled seriously.
I think the Monty Python crew was talking about this thread when they sang "Spam, Spam, Spam..." Who's the dolt that made that acronym? I'm afraid that's not the right shite, but your point is well taken.

Protect || Sub > Fly;
Thus, Fly = shite;

QED;

[Shuckle]

:[ so many quotes and none of them mine. I do like the mention of monty python tho.

"Its not a question of where he grips it, its a question of air speed velocity."

[Jarmen_Kell]

HEY! fly isnt worthless! it is actually quite useful,

1.you cant get hit on 2nd turn until you attack
2. that turn can be used to avoid damage and maybe survive long enough to win
3.fly takes you places in the world, if you dont have fly then you cant get ANYWHERE with out walking/running/riding something includes boats or even the cable car on Ru/Sa
4. with proper move sets/held items you can use fly to your advantage

I think that the only reason you ppl say fly is worthless is because you are too stupid or too lazy to put it in a move set that can use it

Here is how i use fly in the battle
Me HP:100 Item:Leftovers
Opponent HP: 100 Item: Quick claw
Opponent uses tackle
i take 12 damage
I use fly
I recover 6 hp with left overs
opponent uses tackle, he misses
Using Quick claw opponent gets first attack
he uses tackle
I recover 6 hp using leftovers
i attack.
opponent takes 25 damage
Opponent uses tackle
i take 12 damage
I use fly
I recover 6 hp with left overs
opponent uses tackle, he misses
Using Quick claw opponent gets first attack
he uses tackle
I recover 6 hp using leftovers
i attack.
opponent takes 25 damage
Opponent uses tackle
i take 12 damage
I use fly
I recover 6 hp with left overs
opponent uses tackle, he misses
Using Quick claw opponent gets first attack
he uses tackle
I recover 6 hp using leftovers
i attack.
opponent takes 25 damage
Opponent uses tackle
i take 12 damage
I use fly
I recover 6 hp with left overs
opponent uses tackle, he misses
Using Quick claw opponent gets first attack
he uses tackle
I recover 6 hp using leftovers
i attack.
opponent takes 25 damage
the opponent faints
I win!:D

Your opponent uses Tackle... Ewwww...

1. and 2.

Pidgeot used Fly!
Pidgeot flew up high!
Magnetric used Thunder!

*Battle Animation*

It's Super Effective!
Pidgeot Fainted!

Gust and Twister also hit when opponent uses Fly.

3. INGAME maybe. Not competitive

4. Tell me how you do that. I will switch to Aggron when you fly.

[Pokedragonfire]

but then in 2vs2 there are better strategies... like ghost/protect+explosion, skill swapping, healing each other by abusing absorbs and etc...

The only reason why you should use fly is perhaps to stall while doing damage I suppose... but then I can't think of any good flyers that can stall like that =/
I'm sure there is some great combo...
Aha! What about using a double intimadate with salamence, having salamence fly and then use explosion.
._. Yes I know it sucked, but then it would turn fly into a (kinda)one turn attack, I guess since you have hidden power for 70 damage, it might be only good for in-game. You can always use protect, but fly is multiple turns. No worrying about Fly failing next time you use it. So it might be good for multiple explosions! I wonder...can any normal type flyers use explosion? If so...
You fly, your other pokemon explodes, then send in a ghost/protect pokemon and explode your flyer. You get STAB, unlike a ghost type, which could help against steel/rock pokemon...
Don't yell at me, I know nothing =P

[Kairi]

Fly is horrible because it telegraphs your next move, while doing no damage on the first turn. Some things have just been debated so much elsewhere, there’s no point doing it here.

Although you guys (Yes, the “smart” ones against Fly) do need to work on your manners some. You weren’t flaming, but people here tend to have really weak stomachs~