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Kaori
February 20th, 2012, 04:54 PM
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Remember when we first heard news that our characters in Black and White were going to be older than ten, and so many of us got excited about that idea?

Well, we're older now yet what's so different compared to when we were ten? We still live by our parents, we still have no Pokémon, and still treated like complete noobs (Prof. Juniper showing us what the Pokémon Center was like, and how to catch a Pokémon for the first time).

So what do you guys think the importance of being an older character was in Black and White compared to the previous generations? I mean, it sure didn't impact the story of the game, and there was no significant difference to being older.

But really, if we hadn't been told that the characters were now older, I would have still believed they were just ten years old starting their first journey.

Discuss, discuss, discuss!

Hikamaru
February 20th, 2012, 04:58 PM
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/5e/Hildawalkdown.png
. . .

Remember when we first heard news that our characters in Black and White were going to be older than ten, and so many of us got excited about that idea?

Well, we're older now yet what's so different compared to when we were ten? We still live by our parents, we still have no Pokémon, and still treated like complete noobs (Prof. Juniper showing us what the Pokémon Center was like, and how to catch a Pokémon for the first time).

So what do you guys think the importance of being an older character was in Black and White compared to the previous generations? I mean, it sure didn't impact the story of the game, and there was no significant difference to being older.

But really, if we hadn't been told that the characters were now older, I would have still believed they were just ten years old starting their first journey.

Discuss, discuss, discuss!

I think the concept of the main characters (Hilbert/Hilda, Cheren and Bianca) being older than 10 was to probably make Pokemon appeal to a teenage audience in some way but I liked playing as a character not aged 10, it was a neat change.

Kaori
February 20th, 2012, 05:03 PM
But what was the change at all? They never mentioned the age difference specifically in the game, in the pamphlet of the DS case or anything! The announcement wasn't very big at all either, and isn't reached out to everyone who is going to buy the game and has. Like I said, without knowing of that small announcement I wouldn't have guessed. It's quite sad!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
February 20th, 2012, 05:20 PM
Nothing much changed actually...and the characters at least the boy doesn't seem all that older, maybe 12. I also find the lack of information on their age sad...

Tachikaze
February 20th, 2012, 05:42 PM
I really don't think it mattered in the long run. They're supposed to be young, there's not much difference between 10 and 12.

mac098
February 20th, 2012, 06:23 PM
i didnt even know that they were older...i guess i didnt really care that much for it

bobandbill
February 20th, 2012, 06:24 PM
Thing is, if they bothered to mention the change in the first place...what's the point? As said by Kaori there's no noticeable change with it so it dos strike me as a bit odd that we know they are older, but not how old they actually are. It's like saying 'Oak has a rare Pokemon!' and then not mentioning it ever again - it comes off as pointless and/or forgotten.

Killjoy
February 20th, 2012, 06:31 PM
I never put any thought into the character age, or anything involving their back stories, for that mater. I just see him as, me.


For that reason I guess I'm happy that Pokémon games don't delve into the characters personalties in any way.

PlatinumDude
February 20th, 2012, 06:38 PM
I think the older main protagonists of B/W may show that GameFreak anticipated that long-time players got older as the series progressed..

Kano Shuuya
February 20th, 2012, 07:28 PM
I think that what they meant to change was the feel of the series. The characters personalities did seem a bit more complex, and you could either blame the creators just doing a better job on that, or you could say it was because the cast is older. I also think that they meant to draw in older fans, since not only were the characters older, their general art style was more of a typical anime-styled look, and not so much a kiddy, cartoon-ish style. It wasn't a huge difference, but it was there.

It also seemed like having them be older, also put them closer to age with the game's enemies. It kind of seemed to me like they understood more of what was going on, and also were close in age with N, so there was the possibility of befriending him. It might not have happened at all if the main cast was 10, and N was still around 18. -w-

Forever
February 20th, 2012, 10:38 PM
I'd say the storyline influenced this, because if you think about it, the storyline was a lot deeper/complex than in other games. If the characters were younger, I think they'd be less likely to really fit in with the storyline. Because really, all ten year olds would be fine with "yeah let's free Pokemon ANIMAL RIGHTS" or whatever, while 15-16 year olds actually would get suspicious about it, imo, and I think that helped the storyline progress. There's also the fact that later on in the game you got a "job" sorta as a waitress/waiter @ Village Bridge ;x Those are about the main things I can think off the top of my head other than the whole "appeal to older and younger audience at once" thing.

bobandbill
February 20th, 2012, 11:24 PM
Hmm, idk. There are a lot of immature teenagers out there and a lot of mature 10 year olds too, and given in the Pokemon world many are allowed to go on adventures with fire-breating creatures and whatnot by themselves I'd say it's fairly possible for them to have deeper personalities if they were the same age. I don't think that was introduced because they were older than 10 but rather that it was just an attempt to better the plot and characterisation to some degree.

Look at the likes of Silver as well; he was a pretty developed character as far as they go in Pokemon. Heck, even Blue wasn't too bad.

Cassino
February 21st, 2012, 07:38 AM
It doesn't change anything save to implicate marketing-wise that the story would be more involved than that of previous Pocket Monsters titles. Characters' ages are never stated within any version and have no tangible bearing on anything in-game.

Kajini
February 21st, 2012, 07:57 AM
I honestly forgot like a day after reading that up until reading this topic. I never pay the character age any attention. It never seems to make much sense anyway.

Mr Cat Dog
February 21st, 2012, 09:02 AM
Wait, the characters in B/W were older? Must have missed that meeting when it was announced. But the idea of 10-year-olds being given free reign to roam around the entire country always seemed ludicrous, even when I was that age myself. Now that the characters are older (how old are they? 16? 18? I NEED ANSWERS, DAMMIT!) it makes slightly more conceptual sense, but it doesn't really change the dynamics of the game, or even the relationships inherent. It's not as if a side-plot is going to feature the protagonist acting in line with hormones and trying to get a boyfriend/girlfriend or anything. So, I don't see that anything changed, really.

이큐리
February 21st, 2012, 09:20 AM
The characters were 13-16 if I remember correctly. It didn't change much for me like most of the people who posted here. Everything was the same. It's not like our character had love interests N or got to drive a car or something.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
February 21st, 2012, 03:47 PM
I'd say the storyline influenced this, because if you think about it, the storyline was a lot deeper/complex than in other games. If the characters were younger, I think they'd be less likely to really fit in with the storyline. Because really, all ten year olds would be fine with "yeah let's free Pokemon ANIMAL RIGHTS" or whatever, while 15-16 year olds actually would get suspicious about it, imo, and I think that helped the storyline progress. There's also the fact that later on in the game you got a "job" sorta as a waitress/waiter @ Village Bridge ;x Those are about the main things I can think off the top of my head other than the whole "appeal to older and younger audience at once" thing.
Well Platinum was pretty grown up considering it covered bombing a town, god, child abuse (cyrus was implied to have exprienced this), death (canalave library)...Platinum and DP were pretty dark...and still they were 10 years...
So in reality there's nothing that big about it compared to last gen for them to have done that other than for "change's sake".

Elite Overlord LeSabre™
February 21st, 2012, 11:44 PM
The only change I can see is that they took the opportunity to dress the female trainer in a revealing and entirely inappropriate outfit. Hell, even if I had my own 14-16 year old daughter, there is no way on earth that I would let her go out dressed like that.

Storywise, there's nothing that suggest having older protagonists made any difference. Adding to the above post, Platinum sent the character to a whole other DIMENSION, something that B/W didn't even try to incorporate. Add to that a continued lack of romance, and a continued lack of the option to have our characters operate motor vehicles or firearms. I feel as if the fact that the trainers are supposedly older had no bearing on the story at all.

Overlord Drakow
February 22nd, 2012, 01:30 AM
I didn't even realize the characters were older than the standard 10 years old until I read this thread LOL.

Railgun
February 22nd, 2012, 03:10 AM
The characters never look 10 to start with. Maybe 14 or 16 as for BW they look like there 17 or 18. Well thats just how they look compared to people in my area.

Alli
February 22nd, 2012, 04:57 PM
They were 15? Shoot. They all look young to me, sorry. There really isn't much of an obvious change here though. I mean, I would agree with what Nica said, but when you think about it, Team Aqua, Magma, and Galactic had radical ideas as well, if not more radical than Plasma's (especially thinking of Cyrus in Platinum) so I mean, does the age make a difference? If those crazy antics in RSE/DPPT were enough to make a 10 year old question it, what difference is there in the players being 15? Although, I do agree with Hikari in that this was probably more of an attempt to gain an older audience. Did it work? Seemed to here. I know a lot of people that picked up BW after quitting Pokemon after GSC. And it was even evident in NU/W when people came and said "oh hey i started hearing about/playing black and white and wanna get back into pokemon" so in that regard, the age thing worked. As a change in the story? Not so much.

Kaori
February 22nd, 2012, 05:01 PM
Although, I do agree with Hikari in that this was probably more of an attempt to gain an older audience. Did it work? Seemed to here. I know a lot of people that picked up BW after quitting Pokemon after GSC. And it was even evident in NU/W when people came and said "oh hey i started hearing about/playing black and white and wanna get back into pokemon" so in that regard, the age thing worked. As a change in the story? Not so much.
Well did they really get into the games because of the age difference made for the protagonists? & How much of them actually know about it?

I honestly don't think it made a change at all. Nothing is being said about the age differences in the game, no one in the game treats you older, completely nothing. Just one confirmation "Oh, they're older now!" and that was it. How many people are going to convince others to buy the games because of that?

Alli
February 22nd, 2012, 05:07 PM
Well did they really get into the games because of the age difference made for the protagonists? & How much of them actually know about it?

I'm more or less speaking for people here, to be honest. So I know that's not a good survey, but it did help some. I have had people tell me that the character looked older, which made them happier and of course, they did more homework on the game and ended up buying it. So no, it's not that it affected everyone, but some people did take notice to it and thought "O HAY" and bam. I was gonna buy the games regardless and didn't care for the age think of course haha. :( Though I did find it odd that you're supposed to start your Pokemon journey at age 10. Why are these characters waiting till they're 15? Lazy? Overprotective parents? Too busy playing Red Version? Hmm. Only poses more questions.

Oryx
February 22nd, 2012, 05:28 PM
Maybe it's just 10 years old everywhere else but Unova is so far away that no one told them that so they just start at a different time in Unova.

I always thought this was just an excuse for the outfit that Hilda wears because they probably got a few complaints from people about Dawn being 10 and her micro-mini-nano skirt, so if they just put out there "by the way they're not 10 anymore" they can use that to reply to people that complain.

Alli
February 22nd, 2012, 05:42 PM
^ That makes sense. The fashion thing, not the far away thing. Though now that you mention that, it is a more city based region than the others were, and cities are usually more dangerous. So I guess that might be why they wait till they're 15. But even still, in those shorts, you shouldn't be all alone in the city...I don't care how old you are lol.

Oryx
February 22nd, 2012, 05:49 PM
YOU JUST SHOULD NOT BE WEARING THOSE SHORTS.

Sorry that's off topic but I really really really hate the short shorts haha. Although on an interesting note, the Bulbapedia page for Dawn/May/Kris all have no age, and Red is 11 in the games. I wonder if they were actually older earlier and we just didn't know it?

Hikamaru
February 22nd, 2012, 06:14 PM
They were 15? Shoot. They all look young to me, sorry. There really isn't much of an obvious change here though. I mean, I would agree with what Nica said, but when you think about it, Team Aqua, Magma, and Galactic had radical ideas as well, if not more radical than Plasma's (especially thinking of Cyrus in Platinum) so I mean, does the age make a difference? If those crazy antics in RSE/DPPT were enough to make a 10 year old question it, what difference is there in the players being 15? Although, I do agree with Hikari in that this was probably more of an attempt to gain an older audience. Did it work? Seemed to here. I know a lot of people that picked up BW after quitting Pokemon after GSC. And it was even evident in NU/W when people came and said "oh hey i started hearing about/playing black and white and wanna get back into pokemon" so in that regard, the age thing worked. As a change in the story? Not so much.

Syd, I think Hilbert and Hilda (the BW player characters) are aged 14 if I can recall.

Forever
February 22nd, 2012, 06:50 PM
YOU JUST SHOULD NOT BE WEARING THOSE SHORTS.

Sorry that's off topic but I really really really hate the short shorts haha. Although on an interesting note, the Bulbapedia page for Dawn/May/Kris all have no age, and Red is 11 in the games. I wonder if they were actually older earlier and we just didn't know it?

Well that's actually an interesting point. If they're "older" and around 15/14, aka age progresses like the anime, so for example the oldest protagonists = the age of Pokemon, it could mean that the current ones are around 20. Sure you have 10 years (like Ash @ anime), but just half that and it kind of makes sense imo. Which would also mean that N is around 20 too, meaning why they're also touching on "darker" storylines. It's a jump, but really, just cause it makes sense for them to be 14/15 doesn't mean they necessarily are tbh.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
February 22nd, 2012, 07:33 PM
It could be due to Parent's...just look at Bianca's dad...
I wonder if this older character thing will carry on to the next gen...or maybe even the remakes (recon?)...

To me N seems to be in his late teens while the players and friends are around 14, it could be thirteen due to one becoming a "young adult" at that time.