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Forever
February 27th, 2012, 08:04 AM
Think about it. Black and White were based around the concept of ying/yang, had many version differences compared to other games and Kyurem had two special attacks which related to Zekrom/Reshiram. Thinking about that... there's no way there could've been a third game to put that all together, even things like White Forest/Black City - why consolidate something based so heavily on opposites and differences into just one game?

In other words, do you think we should've seen the signs sooner, and that this move by Game Freak was actually predictable, rather than completely unexpected? Discuss!

Oryx
February 27th, 2012, 08:10 AM
In hindsight, yes we definitely should have. I mean, just look at all the threads where people were struggling to reconcile the differences - Iris or Drayden? New or old? White Forest or Black City? All of these things were nearly impossible for us to make into something that would merge in an interesting way, instead of just "kinda halfway in between".

Granted that some people seemed to think that the hints pointed to a game that promotes the message that things should mix and merge and such, but other than the word 'gray' being in the dialogue there really wasn't anything hinting at that, lol. The end was "My (truth/ideal) beat your (truth/ideal), I win!", not "truth and ideals should work together", since N left with the other dragon, haha.

Blue
February 27th, 2012, 08:25 AM
I'll say that I wasn't expecting two games, I was expecting one game to be the third game as they do with each set of games. They wanted to make these games different as said around the time they were first announced and the fact that each game had several differences, more than other games is also a factor.. in other words, they were kind of right in front of our eyes.

The Author
February 27th, 2012, 09:10 AM
Think about it. Black and White were based around the concept of ying/yang, had many version differences compared to other games and Kyurem had two special attacks which related to Zekrom/Reshiram. Thinking about that... there's no way there could've been a third game to put that all together, even things like White Forest/Black City - why consolidate something based so heavily on opposites and differences into just one game?

In other words, do you think we should've seen the signs sooner, and that this move by Game Freak was actually predictable, rather than completely unexpected? Discuss!

Yeah, this is what I was thinking. I was wondering how they were going to pull it off.

I guess B2/W2 was the way to go.
All that stuff about "Grey" was starting to annoy me, because I knew it would never happen, but I really did wonder what they were going to call the third game. Black 2 and White 2 does make a lot of sense if it was based off of Yin and Yang. Not Grey.

JakeyBoy
February 27th, 2012, 11:52 AM
Black 2 and White 2 does make a lot of sense if it was based off of Yin and Yang. Not Grey.

But the point of Yin Yang is not that something is either one or the other, but that it consists of both. It would have made sense for a third version to unite the two concepts.

But I do agree that there are some parts of the games which physically could not be produced together. The last gym leader could have been a double battle though. And some things could have been redesigned completely instead of directly lifting something from either Black or White.

fenyx4
February 27th, 2012, 12:10 PM
Think about it. Black and White were based around the concept of ying/yang, had many version differences compared to other games and Kyurem had two special attacks which related to Zekrom/Reshiram. Thinking about that... there's no way there could've been a third game to put that all together, even things like White Forest/Black City - why consolidate something based so heavily on opposites and differences into just one game?

In other words, do you think we should've seen the signs sooner, and that this move by Game Freak was actually predictable, rather than completely unexpected? Discuss!

I thought the theoretical "Gray Version" would have both Black City and White Forest, kind of how Emerald and Platinum let you catch both version mascots of the prior paired versions, along with their own version mascots. Similarly, the 8th Gym could be a double battle against Iris and Drayden...

I thought Ice Burn and Freeze Shock were just there to reference Reshiram and Zekrom (by the Burn and Paralysis status effects, which are usually fire-induced and electricity-induced, respectively), and we would just get to choose whichever one we wanted. But they do make way more sense when one takes Black Kyurem and White Kyurem into consideration, as both of them now have potential signature moves.

But the point of Yin Yang is not that something is either one or the other, but that it consists of both. It would have made sense for a third version to unite the two concepts.

But I do agree that there are some parts of the games which physically could not be produced together. The last gym leader could have been a double battle though. And some things could have been redesigned completely instead of directly lifting something from either Black or White.

Alternately, it would also have made sense for there not to be a Generation 5 third version, as yin-yang is kind of a singular entity when thought of together (I didn't even know the concept of wuji even existed until I learned about Kyurem; I've always envisioned yin-yang involving strictly 2 elements completing each other, with no necessity of a "third pillar" whatsoever). Yeah; I was wondering how they were going to do the overworld for the cities...maybe do a mashing of both 'technological' and 'natural' styles in each city/town, or have some areas 'technological' and others 'natural'.

Finally, Game Freak has been hammering it into our heads that they want to break away from certain Pokemon traditions, and this is a rebirth generation of Pokemon... So it's fitting that we don't get one "third version", but technically two! :cer_laugh: Furthermore, they seem to be more sequel-based, unlike most third versions that are "retcon"-based/retreads. And we've never been able to really predict the next "Pokemon game" to great success (i.e., people thinking "Opal Version" when Diamond/Pearl's counterpart turned out to be "Platinum Version"), so it makes sense that Game Freak wouldn't just go for the "Gray/Grey Version" that multitudes of fans were guessing. XD

Kaori
February 27th, 2012, 12:49 PM
I'll say that I wasn't expecting two games, I was expecting one game to be the third game as they do with each set of games. They wanted to make these games different as said around the time they were first announced and the fact that each game had several differences, more than other games is also a factor.. in other words, they were kind of right in front of our eyes.
This basically. I don't think there was really a way to predict this since it's something that's never really happened before. However, if we weren't so stuck to the fact that there would definitely be a third game and it would be called "Gray", we probably could have been close to what has been revealed. We were never open minded to any other conclusion (like the possibility of two games with the two becoming sequels or two-third games). & We so believed it would be called Gray and didn't believe in anything other than that much. It came to the point where instead of saying "the third game" we would just say Gray! I too, am guilty of that.

But yes, if we didn't stick to our beliefs with no confirmation so much, I'm sure we could have guessed something from the news as well as actually start looking for signs. This just comes to show how much we'll think for future games though. ;)