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Bluerang1
March 15th, 2012, 07:26 PM
So do you think we'll be getting new members of the Elite 4? A new Champion? Will they be characters we've seen before or entirely new ones? Will be finally get the tournament style Pokemon League in the games that some of us wanted?

Kenshin5
March 15th, 2012, 07:41 PM
I am getting the feeling Drayden will be in there for the sake of there not being 2 gym leader possibilities in Opelucid. For me it would be kind of different to see a new member period not just a champ that we have never see prior in the series, then again neither has two third versions . If there was a person from prior games that I would like to see in an Elite Four it would be Volkner since he always struck me as a cut above the rest and just as equal to as a trainer to Flint. Not to mention Shauntal mentioned battling him and Cynthia visits the villa in Undella so I don't see him being there out of the realm of possibility, although it's highly doubtful and unlikely.

rocky505
March 15th, 2012, 08:13 PM
The only possibility I see is Alder retiring.

voicerocker
March 15th, 2012, 09:16 PM
The only thing I think I can say for sure is that the Pokemon League's style will remain the same. No tournament, just facing the Elite 4 as always. (Though, that's fine with me. It's always been that way.)

As far as who will the Champion, Elite 4, and even the gym leaders be? With this being a sequel, who knows? No characters have been introduced yet. Still, this is a very good question.

Nearsighted king of Ice
March 17th, 2012, 02:55 AM
Dryden and Iris in a double battle, the Triplets in a triple battle and harder gym puzzles
and possibly stronger elite 4's

Azure
March 17th, 2012, 04:04 AM
I'd like to see a new bunch of Elite Four, maybe types that have never been used in the E4 before like flying, grass etc.

Mr Cat Dog
March 17th, 2012, 07:11 AM
I'd like to hope that the E4 in the sequels will be different from the original B/W, and I think the chances of this will be quite high, given that Game Freak will want to differentiate this from the originals as much as possible. As for anything in particular about the members/types etc, I always like to be surprised about this, so I never really like to speculate! :D

Azure
March 17th, 2012, 08:23 AM
It's a long shot but they could do it depending on your version one Elite Four Member is Fire Type the other Electric going by whether you have Black 2 or White 2 respectively, it's something new and has never been done before (with the E4).

Gleam Noiyam
March 17th, 2012, 08:33 AM
I don't think there will be a new Elite Four. Maybe the Elite Four will just different Pokemon. To be honest, there's barley a possibility that there will be new Elite Four members.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™
March 17th, 2012, 10:45 AM
I don't like that their types were too similar to each other in B/W. I like Shauntal's design so I'd want her to stay (or perhaps be promoted) but the rest of them could be replaced and I would be fine with it. Hopefully with more variation in types.

I'm hoping Alder gets replaced too... that guy just gave me freaky vibes with his attempts at philosophical dialogue. Especially coming from a guy who resembles the hired muscle of Pokemon Colosseum. I'm still not totally convinced that they're not related somehow.

Another female champion would be awesome.

Bluerang1
March 17th, 2012, 05:38 PM
I mean they can stay but they need to do more. Grimsley needs to come out of the League and interact with player. But yeah, I like the whole E4, great designs and concepts, so I don't really want them changed.

Chevitile
March 19th, 2012, 08:22 AM
I don't think there's anything wrong with the current E4 + Champion, and Grimsley is my favorite character from generation 5, so yeah. It would be fun if they used the triple/rotation battles in there, though.

PokeRaidenFighter350Z
March 20th, 2012, 05:52 PM
You know, this came to my mind... how come the Pokemon games never used the following types in the Elite 4 in any region

Normal
Electric
Grass
Flying
Rock

Steel? (Only 3 of Steven's Pokemon were Steel. Maybe they should add another Steel user since there's more Steel types)

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
March 20th, 2012, 07:12 PM
Normal, Grass and Rock can work seeing as they have no gyms with those types (The E4 usually doesn't have it's region's gyms share types with it ,with the excetions of Johto, Kanto (gen II,IV (Sabrina and what's his name were both Psychic users)), and Hoenn (E) also I guess Unova (BW) can be added here since Alder team was half bug like Steven's was half steel...).

I'll like for them to keep the E4 the same though, and replace Alder with someone else (maybe the player character from BW? White/Hilda for B2 and Black/Hilbert for W2?)

Elite Overlord LeSabre™
March 20th, 2012, 11:02 PM
I'm not sure I want the champion being the protagonists from the originals. Do that, and the same problem arises that did in the 2nd gen games regarding Red... Game Freak assigning what is supposed to be "your" character from a previous game with an arbitrary team. I was outraged when they did that in G/S/C/HG/SS (and I'm still not sure why I seem to be alone in this), and I wouldn't want to see them pull the same thing again in B2/W2 (especially giving Hilda/Hilbert an unevolved Pokemon for some ridiculous and random reason). I'd rather see Cheren or Bianca in this position since their teams were pre-set (excepting their starter).

And Lenora represents Normal. And if you start with Oshawott, the first gym would be Grass.

bwburke94
March 22nd, 2012, 09:53 AM
I'd just like to say that it's very unlikely that there will be any plot-relevant triple or rotation battles.

Kenshin5
March 22nd, 2012, 07:52 PM
Normal, Grass and Rock can work seeing as they have no gyms with those types (The E4 usually doesn't have it's region's gyms share types with it ,with the excetions of Johto, Kanto (gen II,IV (Sabrina and what's his name were both Psychic users)), and Hoenn (E) also I guess Unova (BW) can be added here since Alder team was half bug like Steven's was half steel...).

I'll like for them to keep the E4 the same though, and replace Alder with someone else (maybe the player character from BW? White/Hilda for B2 and Black/Hilbert for W2?)
I presume you are referring to the games GSC/HGSS. If the Indigo Plateau is representative of both regions then there is actually four. The already mentioned Sabrina with Will, Koga and Janine, Bruno and Chuck, Lance and Clair. So it is perfectly possible for them to have the gym leader and elite four with same typing.

I would prefer Alder be relieved or resign from his post as Champ, and let someone else take over i.e. his student Marshall or Cheren(who has already proved strong enough to make it to him and beat the rest of the Elite Four). If they had Cheren in there as a replacement I'd be absolutely content.

Scorpiopt
March 22nd, 2012, 08:09 PM
Unless its set on a different time line ( witch will probably be ) , i don't see a justification to change the Pokemon league

Khrysta
March 22nd, 2012, 08:34 PM
I'm hopin for set battle theme'd teams rather than type themes.

Like a Status Team that focuses on using negative stats against you, or even metagame teams like trick room. Maybe more freedom with teams like one new E4 member beind a dancer and having a lot of pokemon that look like they'd be dancing.

@Lasabre
Red was the main character from Red/Green/Blue/Yellow. After Pokemon Yellow came out it was more fitting for him to be closer related to Yellow's game and Ash hence the Pikachu.

Lapras was from the Sliph Co while Snorlax can also be a Manga tie in where Red used a Snorlax in the Final Competion, and like Lapras, Snorlax was a major featured Pokemon. The Starters were a way of saying, this is the main character from R/B/G as well as giving relation to Yellow where you can assemble all of the starters and was again a relation to Ash.

As to why Green isn't a choosable replacement, the game's story already reads as Red was the Champion. Green did not exist in Gold/Silver, and no the events of the Remake do not count in the story line as it is a retelling of the story. Only reason we recieved an option for a female protagonist is because we received one since Crystal. Since HG/SS were carbon copies of G/S/C with minor edits, it would still follow the basic line of G/S/C where only Red existed.

As for possibly Champion: Cheren has the better chance. Bel/Bianca gave up her "trainer" dreams half way through the story and simply assists Prof. Juniper with her work. So if we are going for most likely champion to replace Alder its Cheren who's goal was to conquer the Pokemon League.

pryce10
March 23rd, 2012, 12:34 AM
leave them alone, Only thing I'd want is possible triple/rotational battle in 1st Gym ( this could be problem considering it is only 1st gym) and double battle in final gym. Also I'd want Gym remaches. I do not want new gym leaders! It would be wasted chance to have re-match with them!

Saturated Hue
March 23rd, 2012, 11:43 AM
If the protags are different from B/W (big if), then I'd like to see Hilbert/Hilda replace Alder as the Champion.

Oh, and if there are Gym Leader changes, I'd like to FINALLY see a Dark Gym. Seriously, it's long overdue. >:|

Turn-it
April 12th, 2012, 09:05 PM
I don't know about new gyms but Alder.....someone bless his heart....IMO he is just too weak to be a champion....he doesn't hold that aura that intimidates and screams I'm a champion for a reason. Even Cynthia seemed like a bad***, a sweet and caring bad*** lol So I really hope they have a new champion! :D

The Sly Fox
April 13th, 2012, 04:48 PM
I dont think the elite four members will change, but I have a feeling there may be a new champion. They did it with Emerald, changing Steven to Wallace. So maybe, they'll switch Alder out with someone, but he can still be battle-able in a cave somewhere.

Arikags
April 13th, 2012, 05:32 PM
I'm seeing Bianca as the trainer school teacher and Cheren as the new champ.

Forever
April 13th, 2012, 05:52 PM
Actually, considering that Bianca/Cheren aren't introduced yet, I'd say he probably isn't the champion and that we'll have a whole new characterset, or it'll be one of the previous leaders.

Kaori
April 13th, 2012, 05:53 PM
At first I didn't see anything wrong with the E4 being the same once again, but since GameFreak has introduced new Gym Leaders, it would be more logical for there to be new Elite Four members now. I wouldn't mind just an adjustment to the design of the league instead of switching out the members though.

Definitely want to see Alder retire however, he's not really one of my favorite champions.

Railgun
April 13th, 2012, 05:54 PM
Can't the elite 4 be the heroes from the other 4 games with Touya as the champion?

Khrysta
April 13th, 2012, 06:24 PM
Just remembered about this. When you meet Cynthia in Undella she mentions that every so often the Champions gather to battle to see who is the best. What if that wasn't just chatting from the AI and an actual hint as to what could happen in this one?

I know it doesn't directly play part with new possible league, but post game, (assuming you get to keep the Champion title) You could battle the five or Four Past Champions. Either Blue/Lance/Steven/Cynthia OR Red/Ethan/(May/Brandon)/(Dawn/Lucas)?

Jellicent♀
April 14th, 2012, 08:16 AM
I would like to see Brycen as a member of the Elite Four, personally. Maybe replacing Grimsley. I wouldn't be too far from surprised if they made Marshal Champion, considering he was Alder's student. Though, I wouldn't be too happy about it, either.

Oryx
April 14th, 2012, 08:31 AM
Can't the elite 4 be the heroes from the other 4 games with Touya as the champion?

The only problems with that are:

1. The character is nontalking, and they've made it a point to have the champion be a part of the game to make the Elite Four more than a "well I'm done better go do that thing now" kind of thing.
2. People who used Touko will probably be upset (Take Elite Overlord and HG/SS in relation to FR/LG for example).

I would like Cheren as a champion. He can give a wistful speech about his friend who's...doing whatever the old protags are doing during this time, and then challenge you. I like Alder though, I would want him to be doing something important. Maybe have him training with the old protag?

KingCyndaquil
April 14th, 2012, 08:32 AM
I would really like to see a Tournament style Pokemon League in this one, although its not highly likely, it has a great shot in this game, considering everything seems to be more or less expected, and like XanderO said, it was mentioned in B/W by Cynthia that there is a Tournament of Champions every so often, so why not a Tournament League?

Azure
April 14th, 2012, 08:50 AM
Maybe Alder retired and a new champion is in place say Bianca/Cheren, now that would be cool!

Railgun
April 14th, 2012, 09:09 AM
The only problems with that are:

1. The character is nontalking, and they've made it a point to have the champion be a part of the game to make the Elite Four more than a "well I'm done better go do that thing now" kind of thing.
2. People who used Touko will probably be upset (Take Elite Overlord and HG/SS in relation to FR/LG for example).

I would like Cheren as a champion. He can give a wistful speech about his friend who's...doing whatever the old protags are doing during this time, and then challenge you. I like Alder though, I would want him to be doing something important. Maybe have him training with the old protag?


Just cause they did not talk in the other games does';t mean they can't now. As for the e4 set up 2 could be the females and the other 2 could be males

Jellicent♀
April 14th, 2012, 09:18 AM
Just cause they did not talk in the other games does';t mean they can't now. As for the e4 set up 2 could be the females and the other 2 could be males

The other problem I see with this is the typing of Pokemon they would have. Would they have a typing? Not a single playable character has ever been seen as a trainer who trains just one type, due to the fact that the character only has the Pokemon that the player catches. Pokemon and GF for years have always had each member of the Elite Four focus on one type of Pokemon, while the Champion can focus on one type or a mixture of types. With the Elite Four containing all of the rivals and playable characters from the original Black and White series would cause an uproar like they've never seen. Each member with a mixture of types? It goes against the entire idea of the Elite Four being the best in the type that they specialize in.

Plus, it's like Toujours said, if they favor one playable character over the other as the Champion, MANY of the opposing gender's fans would be in a massive uproar about it.

It would just be easier, and really more original, if they just kept to the same concept for the Elite Four.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
April 14th, 2012, 10:16 AM
This is a generation of change, I don't see why having one mix champ (Champ ) and one mix E4 (Cheren, Bianca's proably prof, and I doubt the other three will be multitype anyways) would be bad, actually it'll make it a whole lot tougher and a real challenge for us.
As for the gender of the champ, they could have you decide like they did with Latias and Latios in Emerald. Maybe the player watches the tv and then the games asks for the gender of the champ...

Oryx
April 14th, 2012, 10:22 AM
Just cause they did not talk in the other games does';t mean they can't now. As for the e4 set up 2 could be the females and the other 2 could be males

Wait are you saying 2 identical Hildas with different teams and 2 identical Hilberts with different teams would be the Elite 4? That makes no sense.

And I brought up the not talking because it's there for a reason. The character is supposed to be you; you project your own personality onto it and make it into what you want. Giving it a voice gives it a personality, probably not the particular one you chose for the character. That's why main character don't talk at times. That would ruin that image entirely.

Edit: Oh I get it now. But still, why in the world would they be there? There's no reason for random champions of a region to go be the Elite 4 of another region.

Railgun
April 14th, 2012, 10:26 AM
Wait are you saying 2 identical Hildas with different teams and 2 identical Hilberts with different teams would be the Elite 4? T

Noooo I meant like E4 1-Leaf E 2-Gold E4 3-May Elite4 4-Lucas

That way its even genderwise. idk just a thought to make it more interesting rather then predictable and to easy with the regular types

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
April 14th, 2012, 10:29 AM
The games are still in Unova so why not have the player champ really? Also they could simply challenge you like Red did in GSCHgSs, and when the time comes for you to enter the Hall of Fame, the proffesor escorts you like Oak did in Gen I and their remakes.

Kaori
April 14th, 2012, 11:16 AM
The games are still in Unova so why not have the player champ really? Also they could simply challenge you like Red did in GSCHgSs, and when the time comes for you to enter the Hall of Fame, the proffesor escorts you like Oak did in Gen I and their remakes.
I honestly don't want the champion of the league to be the B/W protagonists. First of all, they would have to choose one of the players and if you were a female before, but the male was the new champion, it wouldn't be right. Plus, what would they do with the other? Like Toujours stated, personality wouldn't make the best mark if they were just given one. The thing is, Red's character was made to be like that. He never spoke. And in my personal opinion, I don't think it would be fun to battle myself. Plus I would be given random Pokémon that didn't belong to me before. If the player was randomly given a type, that would be unrealistic for being a sequel.

If anyone is the most deserving of being the Unova champion, it's Cheren. He has a set personality, and his dream was to be one in B/W. It would make the most sense, especially after 2 years where all of his confusion and commitment to wanting to be the best, could be settled by this.

Dominus Temporis
April 14th, 2012, 11:25 AM
I could see Cheren becoming Champion. He came to a pretty good conclusion about what it means to be strong, and after a couple of years he could definitely become a fine trainer indeed.

I would hope that they revamp his team a little, in that case- they'd probably drop the starter and the monkey, so as to avoid a canon starter for the protagonist. Liepard and Unfezant would have to go as well, but he could keep Gigalith and Haxorus. I could see him building a multigenerational team out of the Pokemon available in-game- Arcanine and Absol are definitely things I could see him using.

As for the Elite Four, I don't mind if they replace some or all of them, but if I had my way Caitlin would still be there. I've always liked her.

PokeRaidenFighter350Z
April 14th, 2012, 08:09 PM
Wouldn't be strange if GameFreak added an option to transfer the data of your first PKMN League victory and YOU ended up being the Champion for your file in B2/W2?

Oryx
April 14th, 2012, 08:16 PM
Wouldn't be strange if GameFreak added an option to transfer the data of your first PKMN League victory and YOU ended up being the Champion for your file in B2/W2?

That would be nice, not sure how they would accomplish it though. Maybe something online to save the team on? The problem with that is that since no DS can hold two games at once, you would either have to have 2 DSs or find a new way to save it. Online might be the best bet for that, uploading your team to an account specific to your game (maybe with a custom ID for downloading), and then switching games and downloading it.

I was thinking the same thing though, but the personality would still be a problem, lol.

PokeRaidenFighter350Z
April 14th, 2012, 08:25 PM
I was thinking the same thing though, but the personality would still be a problem, lol.

Personality? I didn't think of that as a problem but then again, you have a point there.

Railgun
April 14th, 2012, 08:25 PM
I would love if they changed the league to be like a tournament like the anime and then make the E4 a champion league.

Mew~
April 15th, 2012, 08:51 AM
I didn't mind Alder if I'm honest - he was quite fun. I still want to know more about that Pokémon he lost. D':

I'd love to see if they do further changes like they did in B/W (how you could battle them in any order, and they were all pretty equal in strength) but yeah - maybe more members? There's that competition the fandom really wants too...

Cello
April 15th, 2012, 09:03 AM
I'm surprised to see so many people dislike Alder.
I always thought he was kinda cool. Maybe i'm weird or something. :(

Anyways, I'd love to see a change in the Elite 4 lineup. These kinds of games always get me because I love to see a story continued in a game taking place a couple of years later so you can see things change.

I think it would be kinda neat to see one of the rivals from the past games up in the E4, or even perhaps Hilda/Hilbert up in the champion spot. I think that might be a bit cheesy though. It would be better to run into them out in some cool, high-level area.
Maybe one of the past Gym Leaders could be bumped up to be in the E4 lineup?

It's hard to say what I really want to see in the elite 4, though, as I wouldn't want it to be flooded with people from the past game. Maybe they could include a new character to surprise us/throw us off.

Esper
April 15th, 2012, 09:10 AM
I honestly don't want the champion of the league to be the B/W protagonists. First of all, they would have to choose one of the players and if you were a female before, but the male was the new champion, it wouldn't be right.
They wouldn't necessarily though. If I remember something I read correctly there are going to be even great differences between the versions of the games. So like we have Black City and White Forest and a different gym leader with Iris or Drayden in BW, maybe we could have different champions in BW2. If you choose the male character you could face Hilda, for instance. Not saying this is what they're going to do. I don't think it's likely that they'll revive old player characters. It could work though and still be fair.

Kaori
April 15th, 2012, 09:20 AM
They wouldn't necessarily though. If I remember something I read correctly there are going to be even great differences between the versions of the games. So like we have Black City and White Forest and a different gym leader with Iris or Drayden in BW, maybe we could have different champions in BW2. If you choose the male character you could face Hilda, for instance. Not saying this is what they're going to do. I don't think it's likely that they'll revive old player characters. It could work though and still be fair.
But choosing Pokémon for them wouldn't be accurate. GF giving a certain typing is unrealistic, especially since these are sequels and /we/ were the protagonists. It's not like they know what Pokémon we used at all, so it would be pretty disappointing to battle them with a random set of Pokémon.

Which is why more or less, I'd like for Cheren to be the new champion in the league.

Mew~
April 15th, 2012, 09:29 AM
But choosing Pokémon for them wouldn't be accurate. GF giving a certain typing is unrealistic, especially since these are sequels and /we/ were the protagonists. It's not like they know what Pokémon we used at all, so it would be pretty disappointing to battle them with a random set of Pokémon.

Isn't Red is perfect example for this situation though? Even with the thing about speech and all that jazz, I'm sure Game Freak are clever enough to work ways around it - like have other characters explain their actions in early event appearances etc.

Though, I wouldn't mind Cheren, since it was his ambition to become Champion. But then I wouldn't mind Bel in the situation Scarf mentioned either- even if it would lead to chaos in the fandom - and their dislike to Bel. I didn't mind her though. Poop. I forgot about Bel working towards helping Juniper, I could see her being mentioned as off in a different region doing research. Eh /totally off topic

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
April 15th, 2012, 12:09 PM
Cheren would make a good champ, but I just wish they would Acknowledge the player character for once...
I think Alder might be retired by now so maybe his Student Marshall takes lver, while Cheren become one of the E4 if not the champ.

Kaori
April 15th, 2012, 12:38 PM
Cheren would make a good champ, but I just wish they would Acknowledge the player character for once...
I think Alder might be retired by now so maybe his Student Marshall takes lver, while Cheren become one of the E4 if not the champ.
I forgot about Marshal being Alder's apprentice! I think after two years you would think Alder would hand over his champion spot to him, if not Cheren. Cheren being at least an E4 member would please me.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
April 15th, 2012, 12:51 PM
I can see Cheren having Pokemon around the same levels Marshall did (if I remember correctly Marshall's Pokemon were slightly higher in level that the other 3). I do wonder how Cheren will decorate his room though...maybe it'll be full of books like a library but that's Shauntel's thing...

pokemonkidtotodile
April 15th, 2012, 03:03 PM
I liked the elite four from B/W but I did not care for the champion, Alder. I guess I would like to see the rival as the champion

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
April 15th, 2012, 05:05 PM
I wouldn't mind if the Rival was the champ, but that would mean that he defeated however was the champ before him, unless Alder left the spot empty, making it like in Red and Blue in which when the Rival defeats the E4 he automatically becomes the champion.

Kaori
April 23rd, 2012, 02:26 AM
I don't really want the rival as the champion because Cheren is more deserving for the spot. Though we know nothing about the rival, I wouldn't like him to suddenly be the champion of Unova after defeating Alder, because what about us? We would defeat him too, so why can't we be the champion?? However Alder, he deserves to retire. I mean, he should just go explore the region and have a good time. :P

Great Horned Noctowl
April 23rd, 2012, 02:40 AM
Like rocky505 said, Alder is old and must retire. To me, he looks old.

Hikamaru
April 23rd, 2012, 02:42 AM
I'd agree with these guys and say that Cheren should be the new Champion, cos he's my fave rival from the games so far so to see him as Champion would be neat.

HyperXhydra
April 23rd, 2012, 05:17 AM
I think Grimsley and Caitlin that are possible to change.

PokeRaidenFighter350Z
April 23rd, 2012, 06:03 AM
I forgot about Marshal being Alder's apprentice! I think after two years you would think Alder would hand over his champion spot to him, if not Cheren. Cheren being at least an E4 member would please me.

To have Marshal, the Fighting-Type user of the Elite 4, as the Champion for this game would definitely be neat. Also, Cheren has the potential as shown in BW to be the champion

Forever
April 23rd, 2012, 06:14 AM
Well that'd make sense to me, considering how hard he was to beat in B/W, I think he'd suit the champion role perfectly tbh. I also think his team wouldn't need much changing from B/W to be a tough champion >>

dreamcatcher
April 23rd, 2012, 06:18 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing Alder retired. Maybe Cherin would make a good champion, he was hard to defeat during the endgame. I hope they add new members to the E4 too, but keep the same battle format. I despise triple battles, and don't really care for double battles. And I like being able to choose who I can battle.

Jellicent♀
April 23rd, 2012, 06:35 AM
Well that'd make sense to me, considering how hard he was to beat in B/W, I think he'd suit the champion role perfectly tbh. I also think his team wouldn't need much changing from B/W to be a tough champion >>

I would say remover the starter and monkey from his team, though. I mean, those two were completely dependent on which starter Pokemon you chose in Black and White. Maybe giving him two, even more difficult Pokemon would do well. Like maybe one of the older Pokemon in his team now that those Pokemon have appeared in the region.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
April 23rd, 2012, 03:10 PM
I would say remover the starter and monkey from his team, though. I mean, those two were completely dependent on which starter Pokemon you chose in Black and White. Maybe giving him two, even more difficult Pokemon would do well. Like maybe one of the older Pokemon in his team now that those Pokemon have appeared in the region.
You mean similar to how Blue lost his starter in the remakes, that could be. If he was to gain two new Pokemon I'll like for him to gain Metagross and Milotic (That would be a total RS remake hint) seeing how they are both quite strong, plus multiple champs have had them such as Steven, Cynthia (Pt), and Wallace.

Kenshin5
April 23rd, 2012, 03:44 PM
I would say remover the starter and monkey from his team, though. I mean, those two were completely dependent on which starter Pokemon you chose in Black and White. Maybe giving him two, even more difficult Pokemon would do well. Like maybe one of the older Pokemon in his team now that those Pokemon have appeared in the region.
I'd even go farther to rework his team. I found Liepard to be extremely weak and useless imo. And there is better flying types to use other then Unfezant.

So I'd like to see a team like this.
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He has a lot of type coverage and it also spans every gen. Although I might replace Gigalith as well although I like it.

You mean similar to how Blue lost his starter in the remakes, that could be. If he was to gain two new Pokemon I'll like for him to gain Metagross and Milotic (That would be a total RS remake hint) seeing how they are both quite strong, plus multiple champs have had them such as Steven, Cynthia (Pt), and Wallace.
Only problem I have with Metagross is Caitlin was using one in the prior game, pending she is in the Elite Four still.

I'm all for Cheren being the Champ, I'd rather have him there as opposed to the rival. Anyone else have any idea what you would want the Champs team to look like?

Jellicent♀
April 23rd, 2012, 03:59 PM
I'm all for Cheren being the Champ, I'd rather have him there as opposed to the rival. Anyone else have any idea what you would want the Champs team to look like?

I'd love to see Cheren as the champ, but with Haxorus, Gigalith, Arcanine, Magnezone, Umbreon, and I could see him with a Conkeldurr, to be honest. Maybe like, as an ode to Marshal.

Kaori
April 23rd, 2012, 04:12 PM
I'd love to see Cheren as the champ, but with Haxorus, Gigalith, Arcanine, Magnezone, Umbreon, and I could see him with a Conkeldurr, to be honest. Maybe like, as an ode to Marshal.
As the champ, I would at least like to see him stick with his starter. He went throughout his whole journey with it, and it would be great if he kept it at such a high rank. But that's to say if Cheren will even be the new champion.

FREEFIGHTER07
April 23rd, 2012, 04:18 PM
yeah, I agree, its going to be just the same most likely

Kenshin5
April 23rd, 2012, 06:06 PM
I'd love to see Cheren as the champ, but with Haxorus, Gigalith, Arcanine, Magnezone, Umbreon, and I could see him with a Conkeldurr, to be honest. Maybe like, as an ode to Marshal.
I think if they did still have Marshal that Conkeldurr would still be on his team and Cheren would have a different choice. Now if Marshal wasn't there I'd love too see a Fighting type on his team. Anything would be an upgrade from BW imo.


As the champ, I would at least like to see him stick with his starter. He went throughout his whole journey with it, and it would be great if he kept it at such a high rank. But that's to say if Cheren will even be the new champion.
Then I assume the starter would be determined on the one you picked?

Jellicent♀
April 23rd, 2012, 06:59 PM
I think if they did still have Marshal that Conkeldurr would still be on his team and Cheren would have a different choice. Now if Marshal wasn't there I'd love too see a Fighting type on his team. Anything would be an upgrade from BW imo.


Then I assume the starter would be determined on the one you picked?

He needs an upgrade for sure. Unfezant and Liepard are cool Pokemon, but for a Champion, not so much.

And if he were to get a starter Pokemon based off of which we chose, it'd just feel too much like a rival again.

I think Marshal should retire from the Elite Four, though. He was cool and kind and all that jazz, but he seems more like the type of guy who would rather travel than stay in one spot.

Kaori
April 24th, 2012, 01:54 AM
He needs an upgrade for sure. Unfezant and Liepard are cool Pokemon, but for a Champion, not so much.

And if he were to get a starter Pokemon based off of which we chose, it'd just feel too much like a rival again.

I think Marshal should retire from the Elite Four, though. He was cool and kind and all that jazz, but he seems more like the type of guy who would rather travel than stay in one spot.
Well to be honest with you I see nothing wrong with the starter being based off of what we choose (and the rival's choice as well) considering we don't have two rivals this time. Plus Cheren would be much stronger than he was before, so it will hardly feel very rivalry. Unless you think back to Black and White I guess.

As for Marshal, why would you want him to retire? :[ He was still Alder's apprentice, and two years later you think he would be a lot stronger and well trained. I could see him as a Frontier Brain though (if there happens to be a Battle Frontier).

Guy
April 24th, 2012, 04:55 AM
With new gym leaders being introduced, I think it's safe to say it's very possible we could see a slight change in the Elite 4. Maybe not a complete overhaul, but perhaps a previous gym leader could be seen as a new Elite 4 Member much like Koga in GSC / HeartGold and SoulSilver.

Drayden could be that gym leader who takes on an Elite position, while Iris gets complete ownership of the Opelucid Gym.

Also, I'll put myself next to those who say Alder should be retired and Cheren should be the next Champion of Unova. After two years, it'd make sense for Alder to have retired so we can get a new Champion, and Cheren just makes the most sense to be his replacement. Cheren's team would need a bit of a revamp though, and as you would expect, we could probably battle Alder at a later point in the game.

Some other minor changes I'd like to see are the Elite 4 gaining back five Pokémon on their roster and adjusting their teams so it'll include some of the older Pokémon.

...and I'm not going to lie, but I wouldn't mind if they revert back to a set order in how you battle the Elite. Having each of the members at equal strength just lessened the challenge in my opinion. I liked it better when the next member gradually got stronger as you defeated the one before.

Now, if they can do this all the while letting you choose the order of which you battle the Elite, then I think it'll be a win/win situation.

As for Marshal, why would you want him to retire? :[ He was still Alder's apprentice, and two years later you think he would be a lot stronger and well trained. I could see him as a Frontier Brain though (if there happens to be a Battle Frontier).
Oh yes! If a Battle Frontier does happen to be introduced, then I wouldn't mind some of Elite Members becoming Frontier Brains just so we could get further changes with the Elite 4. I question though, would Caitlin go back as one of those Frontier Brains, considering she was one previously?

Captain Fabio
April 24th, 2012, 05:05 AM
It would be nice to see a variation of the E4 from B&W; then it won't feel like they have just been thrown back in.

Jellicent♀
April 24th, 2012, 06:20 AM
@Kaori: Actually he never felt like much of an Elite Four kinda guy. Battle Frontier I could most certainly see him in, but the only reason I though he could be an Elite Four member was only because he was Alder's student. Idk, I just wouldn't mind seeing him out of the Elite Four. Plus, like Aerilyn said, I think if they brought another Battle Facility, some of the current Elite Four members would really be fun to see there.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™
April 24th, 2012, 06:59 AM
Alder needs to go. Didn't care for Marshal, but he or Cheren seem the next obvious in line to be Champion, as much as I would like to see another female champion, I just don't think Bianca's up to the task.

Forever
April 24th, 2012, 07:01 AM
@ Cheren champion: perhaps he could have three sets of teams created around what your starter was. Why place such a big emphasis on that in B/W yet kinda ditch that in B2W2 in the Elite Four? :x

And... yeah Bianca would not be the smartest champion lool.

piku
April 24th, 2012, 07:52 AM
It has only been a couple of years between both games, so I imagine that not much will change. But then again, alot has happened in that time span (freezing of half the region, new towns with new gyms, etc.). If anything I imagine that they will change up some of the elite four like they did with Gold and Silver, but that would kind of mess up the "balance theme" that the Unova elite four was based upon (fighting>dark>ghost>psychic>...), so at best I imagine just a change in the champion if anything. I honestly don't know what to expect, but we will just have to wait and see.

Forever
April 24th, 2012, 08:52 AM
Well there could always be a "new" balance. Keep some and change it up, like normal > fighting > psychic > dark. Skip one, etc. Orrrrr Flying > Rock > Fighting > Psychic, to keep half of B/W's sorta.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™
April 24th, 2012, 10:44 AM
@ Cheren: Or they could do what they did with Gary/Blue/whatever his name is in the 2nd gen games, and give him the three grass/water/fire Pokemon he uses in lieu of the starter. Of course, the problem with this would be that he'd have two monkeys, but he could replace one with one of the new Pokedex additions.

Don't know who would make a good female Champion, though. However, if a Gym Leader or two were to pull a Koga and get promoted, I would support either Elesa or Clay. Or both.

Also hoping Shauntal still has some role in the games if she's no longer in the E4.

Guy
April 24th, 2012, 12:54 PM
Well there could always be a "new" balance. Keep some and change it up, like normal > fighting > psychic > dark. Skip one, etc. Orrrrr Flying > Rock > Fighting > Psychic, to keep half of B/W's sorta.
Even though I'm not expecting much of an overhaul with the Elite, one thing I'd really hope for is that the "new" balance they introduced in Black and White were to be removed. I actually preferred it when the Elite specified in specific types, but they never had a balance to once another. They were just random types.

I don't know, but I like the diversity in an Elite. Somehow I felt like even though each of these Elite members focused on their own typing, it somehow felt all the same. Maybe it's just me? I don't know.

Kaori
April 24th, 2012, 01:35 PM
Even though I'm not expecting much of an overhaul with the Elite, one thing I'd really hope for is that the "new" balance they introduced in Black and White were to be removed. I actually preferred it when the Elite specified in specific types, but they never had a balance to once another. They were just random types.

I don't know, but I like the diversity in an Elite. Somehow I felt like even though each of these Elite members focused on their own typing, it somehow felt all the same. Maybe it's just me? I don't know.
I agree! None of the Elite Members had great diversity at all. Plus 3 of the Elites were in the dark/psychic/ghost area. I felt like this made the excitement of challenging the Elite Four more gloomy than anything. They didn't really have me pumped, and I hope that the diversity in the Elite Four is much better within these sequels. u_u

Jellicent♀
April 24th, 2012, 02:02 PM
^I actually liked that they specialized in the "gloomy" types, it gave them an added intimidation. I've always felt that they (being the previous regions' Elite Four) were just some people without anything other than the title of Elite Four. The Black and White Elite had the title, plus the look and intimidation that I've always thought the other regions needed.

Forever
April 25th, 2012, 06:15 AM
Well there's the other alternative of the Elite Four being themed to be upbeat rather than type-based and based on an "idea" and the Pokemon relative to it. Like truth/ideals/B2W2's Black Kyurem/B2W2's White Kyurem, so based around those ideas as the four kinda Elites.

Kaori
April 25th, 2012, 10:35 AM
Well there's the other alternative of the Elite Four being themed to be upbeat rather than type-based and based on an "idea" and the Pokemon relative to it. Like truth/ideals/B2W2's Black Kyurem/B2W2's White Kyurem, so based around those ideas as the four kinda Elites.
...What?

If what you're saying is that the Elite Four Pokémon could be based on the theme of Black Kyurem/White Kyurem, I would rather much prefer for them to stick to typing. The diversity would be good. If we know what types the E4 Pokémon will be based around/connect to, we could all train Pokémon that would be good for them all and have no challenge. At least with diversity, our Pokémon can have both advantages and disadvantages.

Xatumi
April 25th, 2012, 07:22 PM
Dryden and Iris in a double battle, the Triplets in a triple battle and harder gym puzzles
and possibly stronger elite 4's

Exactly what I was thinking. But in the anime Chilie talked about branching off and creating the first fire type gym in unova, so that might play a part. As for the elite four, i hope they play dual typing for elite fours. Something tougher.

Forever
April 25th, 2012, 11:12 PM
...What?

If what you're saying is that the Elite Four Pokémon could be based on the theme of Black Kyurem/White Kyurem, I would rather much prefer for them to stick to typing. The diversity would be good. If we know what types the E4 Pokémon will be based around/connect to, we could all train Pokémon that would be good for them all and have no challenge. At least with diversity, our Pokémon can have both advantages and disadvantages.

Nono, truth/ideals and whatever BK and WK's "thing" is. XD; Not based around the Pokemon, but each team is set to a type and kinda conveys that. Might be interesting to change up what we've had in B/W to actually have a meaning behind the Pokemon chosen. Not sure how they'd do that, though.

piku
April 26th, 2012, 05:10 PM
I don't know, but I like the diversity in an Elite. Somehow I felt like even though each of these Elite members focused on their own typing, it somehow felt all the same. Maybe it's just me? I don't know.

Agreed. I actually liked how they brought in new types in Gen IV. Every other elite four involves pretty much the same types: Psychic, Dark, Dragon, Ice, Ghost, Fighting. Each of these have been used at least twice, and it is getting kind of dull (so I was not particularly fond of the "balance" theme). Bring in an elite four with color.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™
April 27th, 2012, 06:45 AM
Electric's badly underrepresented in the Elite Four... I don't recall it showing up once... maybe it's time Elesa got a nice big promotion xD

Grass as well, though they probably would need to come up with a new character if they wanted to go that route.

giradialkia
April 27th, 2012, 11:15 AM
I'm pretty excited to see what the League/Champion will be like in these games. I was hugely impressed with how the Elite 4 were implemented in BW, and while two years have passed I'm expecting the system to be close enough to the same.
I know that some Elite 4 types have been repeated, but there was a very good sense of balance in the Elite 4 in BW, and so I'm very curious as to whether Game Freak would be willing to sorta ignore the type-square they made. I'm hopeful they'll change the Elite 4 members (at least one or two of them) but I'm wary of how they plan to do so.

As for the Champion, I'm genuinely expecting the likes of Cheren or maybe even Hilbert/Hilda (which are admittedly awful names). BW was full of fan-servicey surprises, so I really think B2W2 won't stray too far from that.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
April 27th, 2012, 04:51 PM
Since they replaced two gym leaders (as far as we know) like the Kanto gym leaders, perhaps we will see 2 of the shintenno (Elite four) replaced. If so then I'll like to see grass and electric as stated earlier...perhaps the grass e4 is Cilian...how fan servicy is that (well for others)? And Elesa for the electric type...

★Midnight★
April 27th, 2012, 05:08 PM
So do you think we'll be getting new members of the Elite 4? A new Champion? Will they be characters we've seen before or entirely new ones? Will be finally get the tournament style Pokemon League in the games that some of us wanted?

I highly think the Pokemon League, Elite Four and the Champion will change, or even be located somewhere else. The reason? The ice is covering some parts of the Unova region. The ice also affects the change of the gyms in Nacrene and Striaton city. So probably, new characters will take place of the Elite Four and the Champion...Or...they'd just move where ever else the League will be located.

Alpha King
April 27th, 2012, 05:21 PM
I'm thinking Elesa and Brycen become strong enough to be Elite four members. I wonder if Game freak is going to keep the 4 Pokemon thing...

If so;
Elesa - Ampharos, Galvantula, Zebstrika, Eelektross
Brycen - Cryogonal, Beartic, Weavile, Vanilluxe

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
April 28th, 2012, 04:05 AM
If Elesa was an E4 I'll like for her to have Magnezone, Electross, Ampharos, and Zebstika.
Brycen- Jynx, Beartic, Froslass, and Glalie.

Kaori
April 28th, 2012, 05:35 AM
GameFreak /would/ have to do something with two of the original Gym Leaders if Shizui and Homika are all we are getting. That is, if GF is still going with eight gyms only.

I'd like to see Elesa as an Elite 4 member, since she is popular being a model and all. Even more people in Unova would notice her then. Though she better have a new character design/different clothing or I'm calling this lame. u_u

On a side note, why take two Gym Leaders into the league? One could very well be off on a different adventure in their life.

★Midnight★
April 28th, 2012, 05:38 AM
GameFreak /would/ have to do something with two of the original Gym Leaders if Shizui and Homika are all we are getting. That is, if GF is still going with eight gyms only.

I'd like to see Elesa as an Elite 4 member, since she is popular being a model and all. Even more people in Unova would notice her then. She better have a new character design/different clothing or I'm calling lame. u_u Though why take two Gym Leaders into the E4? One could very well be off on a different adventure in their life.

As I said before, the Striaton and Nacrene city gyms will probably change and be located elsewhere because of the ice covering those areas. So yeah, Shizui and Homika will fill in, I guess. Same goes for the Pokemon League. It will probably get moved, get new people to fill the spots...or...go with the same Elite Four and the Champion.

Forever
April 28th, 2012, 06:08 AM
I highly think the Pokemon League, Elite Four and the Champion will change, or even be located somewhere else. The reason? The ice is covering some parts of the Unova region. The ice also affects the change of the gyms in Nacrene and Striaton city. So probably, new characters will take place of the Elite Four and the Champion...Or...they'd just move where ever else the League will be located.

Yeah I agree about the location, while the old location in Black/White was nice, I'd rather if they changed to somewhere new, but kept the same "choose your fight" type thing. :3

Also Elesa would... not be a great elite four member. XD; I'd feel so disappointed to face her!

★Midnight★
April 28th, 2012, 06:19 AM
Yeah I agree about the location, while the old location in Black/White was nice, I'd rather if they changed to somewhere new, but kept the same "choose your fight" type thing. :3

Also Elesa would... not be a great elite four member. XD; I'd feel so disappointed to face her!

I wouldn't want to battle Elesa either... even though it wouldn't probably happen because Gamefreak will either change the Elite Four and the Champion completely (no gym leaders) or just let it the same...xD

Elite Overlord LeSabre™
April 28th, 2012, 10:56 AM
Wow, so much Elesa hate... Not that she's my favorite leader overall (far from it, actually), just my favorite out of the original Unovan bunch. Clay comes in second, and I'd like to see him return too. not sure in what capacity yet... either Gym Leader or Elite Four would work for me, I guess.

I'm still hoping to see (a) a Dark type Gym, and (b) either an Electric type Elite Four or no Electric specialist at all (and if the "chu" family of Pokemon are coming over I just might be rooting for that latter one... that Static ability is one major pain in the... you know).

If they do another "multi-path" Gym like Striation was, hopefully it's later in the game so you have some choices for a counter besides the monkey. In White I simply level grinded with Purrloin instead, and that was a chore.

★Midnight★
April 28th, 2012, 11:07 AM
Wow, so much Elesa hate... Not that she's my favorite leader overall (far from it, actually), just my favorite out of the original Unovan bunch. Clay comes in second, and I'd like to see him return too. not sure in what capacity yet... either Gym Leader or Elite Four would work for me, I guess.

I'm still hoping to see (a) a Dark type Gym, and (b) either an Electric type Elite Four or no Electric specialist at all (and if the "chu" family of Pokemon are coming over I just might be rooting for that latter one... that Static ability is one major pain in the... you know).

If they do another "multi-path" Gym like Striation was, hopefully it's later in the game so you have some choices for a counter besides the monkey. In White I simply level grinded with Purrloin instead, and that was a chore.
I don't hate Elesa, she's even my 2nd favourite gym leader, I just don't really want to have a re-match with one of the gyms again. (Or Elite Four)

bwburke94
April 28th, 2012, 05:00 PM
I don't think you've figured this out yet, but the "frozen Unova" theory has been debunked thoroughly. So Striaton Gym might still exist, either with a new leader or with only one of the trio as leader. I don't see the trio all still having gym leader duties, since apparently there's a different Water gym leader.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™
April 29th, 2012, 06:48 AM
I don't think you've figured this out yet, but the "frozen Unova" theory has been debunked thoroughly. So Striaton Gym might still exist, either with a new leader or with only one of the trio as leader. I don't see the trio all still having gym leader duties, since apparently there's a different Water gym leader.
No, I am quite well aware of that fact, thank you very much. I'm not stupid. However, the tri-type "choice" gym concept could very easily be moved to another gym that you encounter later in the game. It's an interesting concept that was not that well executed in B/W since your choices for beating the gym were rather limited. I'd like to see it implemented later in the game where you have more options of Pokemon to use.

Khrysta
April 29th, 2012, 08:25 AM
No, I am quite well aware of that fact, thank you very much. I'm not stupid. However, the tri-type "choice" gym concept could very easily be moved to another gym that you encounter later in the game. It's an interesting concept that was not that well executed in B/W since your choices for beating the gym were rather limited. I'd like to see it implemented later in the game where you have more options of Pokemon to use.

The concept IS best used at the start for a challenge wise. There would be no point to having a Gym like this later in the game when you could catch all of a different type than what you started with.

It was well executed in B/W and done at the best point to put a little challenge early game giving a disadvantage to the first gym automatically. You'd want limited choices with a multiple choice Gym otherwise a multiple choice gym is just retarded or a waste of data.

If the Striaton triplets are back in B2W2, I hope they are a Triple battle. It would be pointless to make them into a choice battle when I can go out and just catch a team of Fire types to battle Cilan nerfing the multiple choice gym.

rockerzz182
April 29th, 2012, 09:29 AM
dont you think it is possible that one of the protagonist from the previous game will be one of the elite four??

skyluigi2
April 29th, 2012, 09:35 AM
It'd be interesting to see the Triple/Rotational battles in the Pokemon League.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™
April 29th, 2012, 10:08 AM
The concept IS best used at the start for a challenge wise. There would be no point to having a Gym like this later in the game when you could catch all of a different type than what you started with.

It was well executed in B/W and done at the best point to put a little challenge early game giving a disadvantage to the first gym automatically. You'd want limited choices with a multiple choice Gym otherwise a multiple choice gym is just retarded or a waste of data.
You know, I didn't particularly care for the game trying to force me to use the monkey (which I ended up not using, but I still didn't appreciate the sentiment). If they wanted it to be a real "challenge", as you say, it should have been implemented at the beginning WITHOUT the monkey. With the monkey, it defeats the whole purpose unless someone is as determined as me not to use it.

Another thing I don't particularly care for is you calling my opinons "retarded." Just saying.

It'd be interesting to see the Triple/Rotational battles in the Pokemon League.
I'd like to see this as perhaps a rematch type thing, or meeting the E4 outside of the League to engage in such battles. League battles have always been single battle affairs, and I don't see this changing.

The Doctor
April 29th, 2012, 10:13 AM
I personally want to see either Hilbert or Hilda as a bonus at the end, like Red in Johto. With all three starters and three others. Would be epic.

Khrysta
April 29th, 2012, 12:10 PM
You know, I didn't particularly care for the game trying to force me to use the monkey (which I ended up not using, but I still didn't appreciate the sentiment). If they wanted it to be a real "challenge", as you say, it should have been implemented at the beginning WITHOUT the monkey. With the monkey, it defeats the whole purpose unless someone is as determined as me not to use it.


Ya, except most people don't know about the Monkeys before Striaton Gym. Most don't go to the Dream Yard until after they've beaten the Gym. So they don't use the Monkey at all.

Not anywhere in the game do they say oh look go this way to get a Monkey to help you with the Gym. Most people don't buy the books or read online guides. They just play through.

A multi choice Gym is useless outside of the very first Gym.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™
April 29th, 2012, 01:07 PM
I actually don't recall if there's any NPC that tells you to go to the Dreamyard first... it's been since at least last May since I've played through the game. Of course they could stick such a gym anywhere but naturally the challenge level goes way down the later it appears. I suppose it depends on how much of a challenge they want to make it this time around. Sometimes I have the feeling they want to make things easier, not harder.

As for Hilbert/Hilda, the dillemma comes with determing (a) which one of the two shows up, and (b) who's on their team. I'm not supportive of them having all three starters since you couldn't get all three normally in B/W (compare with Yellow where all three starters were event Pokemon).

Khrysta
April 29th, 2012, 01:28 PM
As for Hilbert/Hilda, the dillemma comes with determing (a) which one of the two shows up, and (b) who's on their team. I'm not supportive of them having all three starters since you couldn't get all three normally in B/W (compare with Yellow where all three starters were event Pokemon).

I agree with this. I can't see much in the terms of bringing Hilbert and Hilda back. Don't think they should add all three to their teams either as Cheren and Bianca received the other two that Hilbert/Hilda didn't choose.

This brings up the issue on who Cheren and Bianca would have as well. At first I was in support of Cheren coming back as a Champion or Gym Leader, but now I don't know cause Cheren can't have a starter if he does due to it meaning that Hilbert/Hilda would have the starter weak to their Starter and if you didn't start with that one, then some people would have issues.

infersaime
April 30th, 2012, 07:29 AM
I hope that the main protagonist from B/W will be the champion, also since there are two new gym leaders I can see that two old leaders are in the elite four.

Hiroshi Sotomura
May 1st, 2012, 03:44 AM
Let's get back on board with the Elite Four, shall we?

So how much time passed between Black and White and these games? Around two years? If Gold/Silver are anything to go by, that's enough time to change the lineup. I'd be pretty stoked if the ladies stayed for another round. ;D

Jellicent♀
May 1st, 2012, 04:28 AM
^ Of course you would. >u>
I'd love to see Elesa there as an Elite Four member. Give that girl an Electivire, girls love Electivires. I still think Brycen or Clay should be there with her, as well. Maybe replacing Grimsley or Marshal. I liked Caitlin, so I think she should stay, but maybe with an updated, better team. Shauntal must always be there in the Elite Four. Always! D<

IKawaiiThief
May 1st, 2012, 05:13 PM
Shauntal- Cofagrigus level 52, Jellicent level 52, Gengar level 55, Chandelure level 54

Cheren- Sererior level 54, Golurk level 53, Samurott level 54, Emboar level 56

Grimsley- Bisharp level 58, Mandibuzz level 57, Scrafty level 57, Krookodile level 58, Umbreon level 59

Marshal- Lucario level 61, Sawk level 60, Meinshao level 61, Conleldurr level 62

Champion Drayden- Haxorus level 65, Hydreigon level 70, Garchomp level 68, Tyranitar level 69, Druddigon level 65, Gyarados level 67

Jellicent♀
May 1st, 2012, 05:30 PM
^ See, I loved that the Elite Four in Unova had equal levels. That's what set it apart from anything. I'd love to see that again. The thought of the Elite Four with one member being stronger than the last bores me to tears. They're the Elite Four. If one was better than the other then it's just saying "These ppl didn't become Champion lol losers". May as well make them equal in strength, which Unova did. So hopefully, they keep that.

Forever
May 1st, 2012, 05:36 PM
Noo, Sawk needs to be first. :( Marshal needs all the power he can get straight up! bias towards Sawk tbh.

Also Cheren's gym seems so random in comparison, I don't like dat. ;; They should all be themed :3

Jellicent♀
May 1st, 2012, 05:45 PM
Noo, Sawk needs to be first. :( Marshal needs all the power he can get straight up! bias towards Sawk tbh.

Also Cheren's gym seems so random in comparison, I don't like dat. ;; They should all be themed :3

...team?
And yeah, it does seem so random. I didn't even notice him in there. I still stand firm on the thought of him not being a part of the Elite Four/Champion at all. I mean, dang. He'd really make very little sense as either. Just because he was aiming for it doesn't mean he HAS to be Champion. maybe in the two years he realized he just loved to battle, and just became a roaming trainer?

But back to the point, he should not be in the Elite Four, and Marshal should most definitely have Throh on his team. bias towards Throh, tbh.

Forever
May 1st, 2012, 05:50 PM
IGNORE ME I don't type what I mean, yes team lool. Oh and yeah, I have no issues w/ Marshal having Throh too, since he can kinda refer back to what he had in B/W. Also Shauntal having Gengar as mentioned would be awesome tbh.

Jellicent♀
May 1st, 2012, 06:01 PM
She should have had Gengar instead of Cofagrigus, imo. All of her post-game Pokemon had unique typing only they had except Coagrigus, so of course my OCD kicked in and wanted her to have Gengar, since it's the only Ghost/Poison Pokemon. I liked that her team had those Pokemon, too. She's the only one to every have an almost full team of Pokemon that had a dual typing only to themselves.

Kenshin5
May 1st, 2012, 06:28 PM
Marshal too me sort of parallels Bruno a bit, which for me means we should have three guarantees to his team. Sawk and Throh (Hitmons) and Conkeldurr (Machamp). The rest could be anything preferably not Lucario since Luke is used by people like Riley, Cynthia, and Bruno.

If Shauntal stays I would absolutely do not want Gengar on her team. Yes Gengar is one of my favs but has been used in the Elite Four twice already with Agatha has used two and Karen had one. Cofagrigus is perfectly fine on her team imo. I actually thought she had a pretty well balanced team already, so I don't really see the need for a Gengar.

Forever
May 1st, 2012, 08:03 PM
Well she was pretty weak when I faced her :x I think having the extra power from Gengar would really make her a more formidable opponent.

austinthomas
May 3rd, 2012, 08:29 PM
It would make sense see in how the old one is iced over.