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Team Fail
April 13th, 2012, 09:31 PM
Ever since Pokémon had it's debut on the Gameboy back in the 90's, our little hero has been from a town:

R/B/Y/FR/LG- Pallet Town
G/S/C/HG/SS- New Bark Town
R/S/E- Littleroot Town
D/P/Pt- Twinleaf Town
B/W- Nuvema Town
B2/W2- Hiougi City

As of now, B2W2 is the only mainstream Pokémon series game in which the player starts in a city as opposed to a town.

What are your thoughts on this? Has it occured to you that the player is even starting in a City? Will it influence the game in any way? What role will Nuvema Town have now that none of the players are from it? Discuss.

Xander Olivieri
April 13th, 2012, 09:41 PM
It'll prolly be a town when its Localized XD

The "City" is kinda small to be a "City".

Team Fail
April 13th, 2012, 09:44 PM
It'll prolly be a town when its Localized XD

The "City" is kinda small to be a "City".

That'd be very unlikely. That'd be one heck of a localization error or change to the game. Long-time fans might burn down GF's American HQ if that were to happen. xD

Hiroshi Sotomura
April 13th, 2012, 09:45 PM
Not really. It's actually written as, and faithfully stated as a city. We haven't seen too much of it to judge whether it actually qualifies for a city or not. :P

I think it's a fresh change of pace, even if only by name. I personally feel it would be a little more awesome if the player hailed from, say, Castelia or a city of Castelia's scale.

Forever
April 13th, 2012, 09:48 PM
It doesn't really look like a city, though. Perhaps in the future... cities have become more popular? I mean I assume now that it's all advanced, everything is going to be technologically better, and bigger populations seem to be the way to go. :x

Xander Olivieri
April 13th, 2012, 09:49 PM
Even on the map its painfully small. Pallet's map image may have been bigger....and may have had more building too from the basic description.

Jellicent♀
April 13th, 2012, 09:56 PM
It's about dang time. I'm a city boy at heart, even though I live in a SMALL town, but i love the big cities of the games. Whether or not this one is big will have to wait to be revealed, but as long as it isn't the three-four home cluster of houses, I'm good.

manomow
April 13th, 2012, 09:57 PM
It doesn't really look like a city, though. Perhaps in the future... cities have become more popular? I mean I assume now that it's all advanced, everything is going to be technologically better, and bigger populations seem to be the way to go. :x

Yeah, ever since 2010 cities have become popular and become extremely advanced.

C Payne
April 13th, 2012, 10:04 PM
Hearing that it will have a Pokemon Center and Trainer's school(if I read it right, been a little while since I looked at the info), I'd expect it to be a decent size...As Jellicent said, as long as it is a bit bigger than the average 3 house village, and with the forementioned 'known' additions, it should be a nice change.

Forever
April 13th, 2012, 10:08 PM
Yeah, ever since 2010 cities have become popular and become extremely advanced.

...oh well, okay, so maybe it can just be that the population has grown. Maybe Musicals attracted everyone to Unova and now they start building larger cities? DON'T KNOW BUT SEEMS LOGICAL.

Archenoth
April 13th, 2012, 10:19 PM
I wouldn't mind in the player started in the city... As much as people seem to like to stick to a formula for most things, Pokemon has changed things we never thought it would change in the past. And that is often why the new games seem as fresh as they do.

I say go for it! I'll still buy it, and I'll probably love it.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
April 13th, 2012, 10:20 PM
The fact that the town has a PC and stores intrigues me more than the label of it as a city. There has to be a reason for why they would do that...my guess is that the city will play a larger role in the games compared to the past starter towns, heck maybe that's why they decided to label it as such, to make it seem important.

Kenshin5
April 13th, 2012, 10:30 PM
This could mean a lot of thinks. Maybe they are trying to imply Unova is quite an advanced region and has developed a good amount of isn't dwelling places past the point of being a simple town. They wanted to break from tradition as they have done plenty this gen and start off with a town that has many stuff incorporated that regular starting towns would not.

As far as Nuvema is concerned I could see maybe a foreign professor visiting the lab there post game and giving you the option to choose a set of starters.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
April 13th, 2012, 10:38 PM
I had this theory before, in Nuvema you might be able to battle the old character (girl in black and boy in white or vise versa or maybe depending on your own player's gender).

I doubt Unova has advanced much all in these two years tech wise, the use of cities might be a nod to Johto the original sequel region being quite Urban, so they made west Unova urban too...

Hiroshi Sotomura
April 13th, 2012, 10:40 PM
I should raise this question: how do you know the starting town is "small"? The map artwork has little sense of scale as it only seems to show significant buildings. For all we know, the starting town will have a fair bunch of houses to justify calling it a city.

What I'm saying is, don't use the world map artwork we've been given to judge its size.

Kenshin5
April 13th, 2012, 10:51 PM
I had this theory before, in Nuvema you might be able to battle the old character (girl in black and boy in white or vise versa or maybe depending on your own player's gender).

I doubt Unova has advanced much all in these two years tech wise, the use of cities might be a nod to Johto the original sequel region being quite Urban, so they made west Unova urban too...
Either that or Bianca since he can be faced there post main story. This is all depending they go anywhere with here.

Imo Johto wasn't any more urban that Kanto. Sure both had their sparsely populated areas with far out routes. But Kanto had some huge cities like Saffron, Celadon, and Vermillion. If any region showed urban growth it would seem to be Sinnoh.

Turn-it
April 13th, 2012, 10:52 PM
I honestly think it being a city or town, not much is going to change. It may be a little bit bigger than regular towns but I honestly think the only thing that's different is rather than calling it a town they called it a city! lol

Jellicent♀
April 13th, 2012, 10:53 PM
I should raise this question: how do you know the starting town is "small"? The map artwork has little sense of scale as it only seems to show significant buildings. For all we know, the starting town will have a fair bunch of houses to justify calling it a city.

What I'm saying is, don't use the world map artwork we've been given to judge its size.

True dat. I hope it's a big city. I'd be extremely excited if it were. Town, COMPUTER TO SWITCH POKEMON, and whatnot, that'd be awesome. I don't think it'd make that much of an impact on the game, but it being big would make it a bit more fun, imo.

The Void
April 13th, 2012, 11:17 PM
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/ff/B2W2_Hiougi_City_House.png

Wheeee a building beside the house! Or wait, is that just the professor's lab? Regardless, it's still quite a big city, somewhat like Rustboro City or Petalburg City maybe, so it's still legit enough to be considered a "city" lol. Also, it's somewhat near Twist Mountain so it's probably somewhere near Mistralton City as well xD

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/2/21/B2W2_Hiougi_City_Lookout.png/230px-B2W2_Hiougi_City_Lookout.png

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
April 13th, 2012, 11:26 PM
The city might be a small city like Mauville in Hoenn if not big like Saffron, Golden rod, Nimbasa or Opelucid.

Either way it might simply be gimmick...which by the looks of things is working, it has our attention...

Xander Olivieri
April 13th, 2012, 11:35 PM
I should raise this question: how do you know the starting town is "small"? The map artwork has little sense of scale as it only seems to show significant buildings. For all we know, the starting town will have a fair bunch of houses to justify calling it a city.

What I'm saying is, don't use the world map artwork we've been given to judge its size.

World map is usually to scale. If it were small it was usually small. Based from the screenshots from CoroCoro and the new trailer I'll go out on a limb and say there are at most 5 buildings. Rival's house, Your House, Trainer School, Pokemon Center, and one random building.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
April 13th, 2012, 11:40 PM
^ That random building might be the prof's lab where we get our starter. So yeah the city is quite small compared to the rest in terms of buildings...much like Mauville city...

Blue
April 14th, 2012, 03:26 AM
I never realised this but like others are saying it does look too small to be classed as a city.

dannyboy601
April 14th, 2012, 03:34 AM
Maybe Nuvema Town will only serve as a location you can fly to to quickly access Route 17/18, with only a few notable purposes such as battling Bianca or meeting Professor Juniper to get your Pokédex upgraded.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™
April 14th, 2012, 06:47 AM
FINALLY!

I've grown quite tired of the trainer being from some random nowhere town. As one who's had to suffer living in the country for far too long, I cannot begin to tell you how refreshing it will be to begin a Pokemon game in, and have your character be a citizen of, an actual city.

Hiroshi Sotomura
April 14th, 2012, 07:01 AM
And what do you get from living in a city? Not really much at all.

The reality is, of course, that it's still the place you start. You just… get more things to do in the first place you start at. (Suweet!)

Jellicent♀
April 14th, 2012, 07:32 AM
The thought of being able to buy Ultra Balls and deposit or withdraw Pokemon in my hometown alone excites me. I'm convinced, like all other games, your home town is just that, a hometown. It'd be awesome if the region's department store was located in your home city, though. That would just put the icing on the cake for me.

Forever
April 14th, 2012, 07:39 AM
The thought of being able to buy Ultra Balls and deposit or withdraw Pokemon in my hometown alone excites me. I'm convinced, like all other games, your home town is just that, a hometown. It'd be awesome if the region's department store was located in your home city, though. That would just put the icing on the cake for me.

Kinda doubt that, but considering that Black and White's was in the middle of a route? Yeah idk. Perhaps it's a city because it's just large though, and not that it'll have any other features. :(

Bluerang1
April 14th, 2012, 07:43 AM
I think it's big enough to be a city from the pictures of Hiougi City I've seen on Serebii (http://serebii.net/black2white2/pics.shtml).

They're apartments next to the protagonist's house and PokeCenter and Mart. These are both big buildings you see in cities, though the PokeCenter and Mart are also in towns.Also a Trainer School which have always been in cities. If I recall correctly.

Jellicent♀
April 14th, 2012, 07:44 AM
Kinda doubt that, but considering that Black and White's was in the middle of a route? Yeah idk. Perhaps it's a city because it's just large though, and not that it'll have any other features. :(

Well shoot. :c
Well as long as I can buy an ultra Ball or two from the Poke Mart, I'm good. But I didn't think of the fact that they call it a city because it just reached the minimum capacity of buildings and people.

Xander Olivieri
April 14th, 2012, 04:45 PM
Watched the video and counted 7 buildings. It was a surprise...but sadly the "City" looks smaller than Lacunosa Town to me.

Kaori
April 14th, 2012, 05:06 PM
Watched the video and counted 7 buildings. It was a surprise...but sadly the "City" looks smaller than Lacunosa Town to me.
Well it is only the city you start in, and the first location in the game. I didn't expect anything too huge, and this looks pretty good to me!

I like the fact that we start in a city instead of a town! It just comes to show that GameFreak is starting to put an end to some of the boring repeated things in the game that we always have and expect. It's definitely one of the reasons people are liking what they hear so far, so much.

Man I'm so excited just to be in this city let alone play the whole game. o3o;

LORD ANTE
April 14th, 2012, 05:10 PM
It's really made no impact on me, honestly. Though, I have thought of the starting trainers as always fitting better if they start in a small town. I see them more of an underdog, someone who wasn't thought of to be great in the world of Pokemon, and even being seen as such, they depart from their small town and go on a year-long journey, or, in our case, a couple of days long, to prove all the doubters wrong and become something more.

Starting off in a city is more like a rich kid leaving and knowing he'll attain greatness because he's rich, lives in a city, etc.

From the looks of the female girl, though, that second theory is all but right...

Jellicent♀
April 14th, 2012, 05:11 PM
Man I'm so excited just to be in this city let alone play the whole game. o3o;

I'm right there with you. The city tickles me pink. <333
Did they say what other buildings are going to be in the city other than the Center and school?

Kaori
April 14th, 2012, 05:15 PM
I'm right there with you. The city tickles me pink. <333
Did they say what other buildings are going to be in the city other than the Center and school?
Not that I know of, I'm pretty sure most of what was shown was just the rival and protagonist wandering around the place. The home of the protagonist in the city looks sweet though!

Jellicent♀
April 14th, 2012, 05:17 PM
Not that I know of, I'm pretty sure most of what was shown was just the rival and protagonist wandering around the place. The home of the protagonist in the city looks sweet though!

Aw, well shoot. I love the protagonist's home. It looks so cute. And am I he only one who got more excited when I saw concrete walkways instead of dirty and grass?

LORD ANTE
April 14th, 2012, 05:19 PM
Aw, well shoot. I love the protagonist's home. It looks so cute. And am I he only one who got more excited when I saw concrete walkways instead of dirty and grass?

Nope, I'm adoring that as well. I like that they're finally straying off the stereotypical country-side that all Pokemon games seem to... well, always experience, even in the third generation when there was an attempt to add things like that to places like Slateport and Mauville. It didn't work. :I

Kaori
April 14th, 2012, 05:25 PM
Nope, I'm adoring that as well. I like that they're finally straying off the stereotypical country-side that all Pokemon games seem to... well, always experience, even in the third generation when there was an attempt to add things like that to places like Slateport and Mauville. It didn't work. :I
Slateport and Mauville are amazing, don't hate! SMH RN BE ASHAMED.

I noticed that as well though! It brings out the New York in Unova, especially since it is a city. Cities need to be like that. :P

I'm quite pleased with Hiougi City really. It still screams "home", which I like.

Forever
May 15th, 2012, 06:15 AM
Okay so in my timezone, it's still technically the same day, so it's not over a month, and Jake said in general earlier he doesn't care about the revival rule that strictly and the thread Suicune posted it in can't lead to any discussion because it's for new things, while this thread is for the starter city specifically. :(

...anyway, since we now know Aspertia City (as revealed in a press release) is the name of the starting city, how do you guys feel about it? It's interesting that they actually kept that it's a city in English (and do you prefer the other name, Hiougi City?) AND what does it even mean?! ...I haven't yet checked, lol. :x

Mystery Soul
May 15th, 2012, 06:22 AM
A a fragrant fan made of hinoki cypress tree wood.

^The definition of the city's Jap. name.

So Aspertia may be an allusion to some sort of tree?

Hikamaru
May 15th, 2012, 06:30 AM
So Hiougi City has been localized as Aspertia City.

Interesting name but still doing the pun on clouds I presume?

At least this is the first hometown for the player that is actually a city.

Can't believe they released the English name this early.

Zephele
May 15th, 2012, 06:54 AM
Aspertia sounds like a cool name to me, and I feel it fits the names of the others.
According to Bulbapedia, it is indeed a continuation of the cloud theme, this time using the undulatus asperatus cloud.

On starting in a city, it's hard to tell how much of an impact (if any) it'll have until you start playing the game, I suppose. Though I guess it's nice to have a little bit of a change.

Shiny Celebi
May 15th, 2012, 07:36 AM
Im glad the player character is from a city, such a nice change, even if just because of the look of it. It might not be a huge city, but it's a step up from the little starting towns previously.

Forever
May 15th, 2012, 07:38 AM
A a fragrant fan made of hinoki cypress tree wood.

^The definition of the city's Jap. name.

So Aspertia may be an allusion to some sort of tree?

Aspertia sounds like a cool name to me, and I feel it fits the names of the others.
According to Bulbapedia, it is indeed a continuation of the cloud theme, this time using the undulatus asperatus cloud.

On starting in a city, it's hard to tell how much of an impact (if any) it'll have until you start playing the game, I suppose. Though I guess it's nice to have a little bit of a change.

Well, chances are it could be part of a tree and part of a cloud. Possibly because the city is found in the woods with a lookout to the actual sky? So basically the name was chosen to reference both, maybe.

Team Fail
May 15th, 2012, 08:24 AM
I kinda like the name Aspertia City. It's not that bad tbh. I still wonder why only now they decided to start in a city.

XtinaIsMeLuvinWWE
May 15th, 2012, 08:39 AM
I'm not going to lie, I've always loved the fact that the character comes from this tiny town and makes it in the big wide world, not to mention when people are like "Oh, you're from Pallet Town?" it kind of puts it on the map and makes that place more important :)

Having said that I do think being from the city is a refreshing change and I really like the idea :)

Zephele
May 15th, 2012, 09:08 AM
Well, chances are it could be part of a tree and part of a cloud. Possibly because the city is found in the woods with a lookout to the actual sky? So basically the name was chosen to reference both, maybe.

I did a little bit of searching, and it turns out that there's a tree with the scientific name of Streblus asper, which the city could also be named after. If that's the case, it's pretty cool how they're able to retain the idea of trees from the Japanese name, and include the theme of clouds, into one name.

Jellicent♀
May 15th, 2012, 09:17 AM
Aspertia City?
...<3
I keep falling more and more in love with this game, legit.

^See, the whole, "Oh you from Pallet Town...", thing has gotten a little...bland. But now, it's like, "Oh, you're from Aspertia City?!" Like, it's a city. Idk, it just has more of a status, to me.

Satoshi Ookami
May 15th, 2012, 09:17 AM
I still think American GF will translate it as Town =D

Blue
May 15th, 2012, 09:26 AM
I like the fact that it's more populated and... well bigger, it's more of a cultural city to be in and from the images it looks great.

Daydream
May 15th, 2012, 09:32 AM
^ The official translation is city. It was on the US website, I believe.

Asper also means rough or uneven. So that could have something to do with a city being rougher than a town? I think the cloud/tree is more likely. I'm happy we get to start from a city, I just hope that there's more of a reason to come back to it. Otherwise, I dunno. It's just a cool gimmick.

Toshiro.
May 15th, 2012, 10:38 AM
I like the fact of starting in a city. Theres more to do and its a nice fresh change from starting in a quiet town.

Aquarius1997
May 15th, 2012, 01:31 PM
I actually like the idea

Its about time we got a STARTER CITY i hope they have a good feature in this city so i can ACTUALLY revisit it

Zayphora
May 15th, 2012, 04:42 PM
Asperita is such a nice name. I like that it's a city, maybe it will actually have a Poke Center now....

droomph
May 16th, 2012, 11:46 AM
Well, this is a sequel, so they might just change things up a bit because this isn't square one anymore, and it's CONTINUING the story.

Jellicent♀
May 16th, 2012, 01:24 PM
Asperita is such a nice name. I like that it's a city, maybe it will actually have a Poke Center now....

There is a Center, now! Which makes me very excited. c:
And I pretty much agree with droomph. This isn't some humble little town anymore in a humble little region. Things have happened, people have moved on, this place needs to be juiced up a bit, and what better way to do that than with the characters beginning in a city?

Hiroshi Sotomura
May 16th, 2012, 03:12 PM
Are you guys really still in denial about the starting area being a city?

I mean, even to the point that the fact it's been localised as a city isn't enough? (And yes, it's being localised as a city. No doubt, because it was always a city.)

Jellicent♀
May 16th, 2012, 03:27 PM
^Exactly! Accept it as a city! It's going to be translated into a city. It has all of the requirements of being a city. It is indeed a city. Which I don't understand why everyone is so angry about that. D:
Each game is about changing something in the Pokemon world, and one of those chains this time around is the starting place of your character is a city. Why is that so horrible? I find it amazing that I can finally trade out one of my Pokemon for my flier after I beat the E4 right in my hometown, as opposed to fighting off hundreds of Patrats just to get to Accumula and then to just fly out of there as well. Plus the option of getting Full Restores and Ultra Balls from the Center near your home is pretty boss, too.

Greenbeans
May 16th, 2012, 03:40 PM
thats quite interresting and it will stir up a lot of conversation, i like the concept of starting in a city.
I am a bit iffy on it but im looking forward to seeing how it turns out!

Kenmoor
May 16th, 2012, 07:00 PM
City people! The bright lights, the busy hustle! No hillbillies! (No offense rural people) Every time I started up my a game I expected a Miltank to leap at my sprite. Or the random Zigzagoon to ambush us. Poor Prof.Birch...
Anyways... Asperita city (that's the name, right?) seems like nice place to start. No enclosing forests or rabid Pokemon in sight, right? Hopefully, this city will have some new, unique features as Aquarius1997 said. Its our hometown! homecity! We need a reason to visit it! And don't give me the whole "I wanna see mom!" reason. Our homecity is supposed to be awesome. At the very least a Game Corner/Casino should be in the City. Or a necessary building. Like a Pokemon Center! (Kudos to Jellicent♀ and Zayphora)
Maybe the Professor's Lab will look like an actual Lab as opposed to the large, imposing building. I haven't seen the artwork for our house, yet. It better be an epic crib that I would want to pointlessly walk around in.

Greenbeans
May 16th, 2012, 07:31 PM
City people! The bright lights, the busy hustle! No hillbillies! (No offense rural people) Every time I started up my a game I expected a Miltank to leap at my sprite. Or the random Zigzagoon to ambush us. Poor Prof.Birch...
Anyways... Asperita city (that's the name, right?) seems like nice place to start. No enclosing forests or rabid Pokemon in sight, right? Hopefully, this city will have some new, unique features as Aquarius1997 said. Its our hometown! homecity! We need a reason to visit it! And don't give me the whole "I wanna see mom!" reason. Our homecity is supposed to be awesome. At the very least a Game Corner/Casino should be in the City. Or a necessary building. Like a Pokemon Center! (Kudos to Jellicent♀ and Zayphora)
Maybe the Professor's Lab will look like an actual Lab as opposed to the large, imposing building. I haven't seen the artwork for our house, yet. It better be an epic crib that I would want to pointlessly walk around in.
I like your thinking and i agree completely, with the new city coming up its sure to have something facinating to catch everybodys eye

Xander Olivieri
May 16th, 2012, 08:08 PM
Didn't they say that the hometown only had the Trainer School and a Pokemon Center? I don't think there is anything else in the city. Its pretty small when they showed it in the previews. Lancousa Town is larger than it from what I've seen.

vaporeon7
May 17th, 2012, 01:23 AM
I don't mind the idea of starting in Asperita City. I'm just glad I'll be able to beat the Pokémon League with a Pokémon without fly without having to run to the next town/city (usually finding some annoying wild Pokémon along the way) to use the PC.

Mr Cat Dog
May 17th, 2012, 05:22 AM
People were seriously getting their knickers in a twist over starting in a town or a city? Jeez. Lighten up... It's certainly a nice change, I'll give it that, and the added benefit of more stuff to - hopefully - do in the beginning is also a plus.