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Hiroshi Sotomura
April 13th, 2012, 09:39 PM
Now, it's practically a given that these games will connect with Black and White and allow for trading and battling. After all, they're on the same console, and at this point it appears the Pokémon will, ignoring the formes and potential new moves, be exactly the same.

So how would you trade with these new games?

They're set two years after, so there'd have to be some form of time travel, right? They did it for Gold/Silver/Crystal, so they'll need to write up that there's some time travel happening.

Will they just have trading/battling work transparently, with no reason as to why you're able to trade? (I could see this as a possibility.)

Or, is there no trading at all? (GASP!)

Wings Don't Cry
April 13th, 2012, 09:41 PM
Time probably doesn't flow correctly at the Entralink and they'll probably just throw a trade center there for you to trade with people from two years ago.

Cello
April 13th, 2012, 09:42 PM
That's a good point, and i'd be interested in knowing how they'll go about doing this as well. I imagine it will have something to do with a time machine like in G/S/C, but at the same time I feel like it would mess up the whole idea of linking up with other games wirelessly... Actually, what the hell am I saying? They could pull that off.

Still, i'm interesting in seeing if they do something with it using a method of time travel or just keeping it the same with complete disregard to the story.

Forever
April 13th, 2012, 09:44 PM
I think we might not be able to trade at all, but rather trade to some kind of third party thing. Consider something like Pokemon Box, but a new "portal between the old and the new" game (like Poketransfer, except for DS specifically and you'd need 2 DS' for it) as a way to trade between the generations. It'd make more money for Nintendo and it would make sense as to why you can't trade like normal with a 2 year difference.

...if not, we'll trade like normal. :(

Jellicent♀
April 13th, 2012, 10:02 PM
Hm. No idea. I'm hoping they would make it a bit easier. Yeah, it would be two years later, but I wish they would SOMEHOW make it to where you don't need the internet or two DS consoles to trade Pokemon.
If there were no trading at all...I'd be pretty chill with that. (I hack most of my Pokemon, anyways >->)
I'm thinking it may be somewhat like how you had to trade from the IV Gen games, though.

Xander Olivieri
April 13th, 2012, 10:05 PM
Hm. No idea. I'm hoping they would make it a bit easier. Yeah, it would be two years later, but I wish they would SOMEHOW make it to where you don't need the internet or two DS consoles to trade Pokemon.
If there were no trading at all...I'd be pretty chill with that. (I hack most of my Pokemon, anyways >->)
I'm thinking it may be somewhat like how you had to trade from the IV Gen games, though.

That's a transfer, not a trade. They were hinted to be able to trade. I'm kinda thinking revival of the Time Machine if they don't introduce new Items or attacks.

Attacks seems less likely due to wifi battle issues. So unless we get new hold items, I don't see many restrictions placed except for Kyurem.

Kenshin5
April 13th, 2012, 10:23 PM
I get the feeling it will be similiar to our current way of trading between two BW games. The difference is the forms i.e. Kyurem will revert to their original one and they could always but a block on moves like they do with HMs(albeit a transfer).

SnowpointQuincy
April 14th, 2012, 11:00 AM
I think there will be no barriers to trading.

The only new pokemon data is Kyurem's forms. It would be like Giratina, when he is in the newer game, the extra form is available, otherwise not.
Keldo and medodia(or whatever) where already in the games, just unreleased.

Esper
April 14th, 2012, 11:06 AM
Well, if you're trading from post-game BW to BW2 then you could maybe pretend that an unspecified amount of time has passed and that it's not such a difference and not bother with an explanation.

I imagine they could come up with some kind of Dream World-inspired explanation for the difference in time.

IcyIce
April 14th, 2012, 11:18 AM
I don't think it will matter much unless they do something like they did in Firered and Leafgreen. Otherside they could easly just use the transfer thing on Route 16 I think it is. How we got pokemon from HGSS to BW

Shiny Celebi
April 14th, 2012, 12:29 PM
There's probably something similar to PokeTransfer included or you'll be able to trade normally minus Black Kyurem and White Kyurem.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
April 14th, 2012, 12:33 PM
We may see a modified version of the Time Capsule from GSC which were also sequels.
Other than that I see trading working the same as before.

SS01
April 19th, 2012, 06:46 AM
I'm thinking there will either be something like the GSC Time Capsule added in, or the PokeTransfer will be used for this purpose as well as sending Pokemon from Gen IV over. I'd be disappointed if they use the same PokeTransfer, since that means trading with BW would have to wait until the end of the game, unless they allow access to Route 16 earlier.

Also, this is pure speculation and more hoping than anything else, but wouldn't it be awesome if upon trading with BW for the first time, a patch is automatically applied adding two more spaces to the Unova Dex and allowing the new forms of Kyurem to be traded to BW as separate Pokemon? I know it's extremely unlikely, but it'd be nice.

tj4bigred
April 21st, 2012, 09:30 PM
It was aliens.

I kind of expect something like Fire Red and Leaf Green, that would be no trading to BW until after the Elite 4 or something.

Other than that, Black/White Kyurem would be untradeable. You can't just have it revert back to it's normal form, because it would most likely still have moves exclusive to it's form. Plus, if traded back, how would somebody reconvert it to the form it was in before the trade? See the issue?

Mr. Magius
April 22nd, 2012, 04:16 AM
I kind of expect something like Fire Red and Leaf Green, that would be no trading to BW until after the Elite 4 or something.

Other than that, Black/White Kyurem would be untradeable. You can't just have it revert back to it's normal form, because it would most likely still have moves exclusive to it's form. Plus, if traded back, how would somebody reconvert it to the form it was in before the trade? See the issue?The Pokémon in B2/W2 won't be tradeable if it has moves exclusive to its form that aren't available in B/W... just like in G/S/C. Simply delete the move(s) and it would be tradeable, I assume. And if traded back to the original game, then you would use the method you used to get it to that form in the first place? :I

I'm thinking we'll be able to trade with B/W sometime mid-game. It would be a disappointment to not be able to transfer any of my B/W Pokés until after I've beaten most of the game :-(

Blue
April 22nd, 2012, 04:19 AM
I think they could implement a similar time travel method as they did in GSC, as we know it is 2 years on and a similar scenario was set for Gold & Silver.

brightbus
April 22nd, 2012, 04:48 AM
I'm not sure that any moves will be added that aren't already in the B/W data. I mean besides the forms, there'd be no difference. It would be like trading in hg/ss with d/p/p. I mean hg/ss take place at different times, but they didn't seem to have to need to bring that up in trading/battling.

Twiggy
April 22nd, 2012, 04:49 AM
Trade barrier? What trade barrier? BW2 doesn't need them to be honest, even though they are sequels, because they share the same Dex for the most part,. I expect no trading restrictions once you got your C-Gear. Story be darned. (I blame online and having no precedent since Generation IV)

To be honest, though, I'm also expecting them to require an event before full trading permissions XD

Lateon
April 22nd, 2012, 06:27 AM
I think it would be the same as trading between hg/ss and d/p/pt. The time difference wasn't brought up there, so why should it be now? Though I agree that there will probably be an event to unlock the full trading capacity between the games, whether it be beating the elite four or another side story.

As for Kyurem's forms, the technology in pokemon has gotten more advanced since d/p/pt. I can see them releasing a patch through dream world, hooking up to the new game, or even wifi to add Kyurem's new forms to the B/W pokedex. How hard could it be, really? (Remember when hooking up FR/LG to RSE unlocked the National Pokedex?)

Xander Olivieri
April 22nd, 2012, 09:31 AM
I think it would be the same as trading between hg/ss and d/p/pt. The time difference wasn't brought up there, so why should it be now? Though I agree that there will probably be an event to unlock the full trading capacity between the games, whether it be beating the elite four or another side story.

As for Kyurem's forms, the technology in pokemon has gotten more advanced since d/p/pt. I can see them releasing a patch through dream world, hooking up to the new game, or even wifi to add Kyurem's new forms to the B/W pokedex. How hard could it be, really? (Remember when hooking up FR/LG to RSE unlocked the National Pokedex?)

I don't know if it would be possible to patch as the game is saved on the cartridge and adding more data from the outside corrupts the data, which is why Action Replays are usually bad for games. I don't exactly know how the C-gear skin and Pokedex skin things work, but they can't be a major change compared to remotely adding script with new sprites to the game as a whole.

The kyurem forms are gunna be the sequel specific Pokemon. So there will be restrictions like with Platinum/HG/SS with D/P. Also D/P/Pt/HG/SS were during the same story line period so they wouldn't be effected by the time issue that plagues B/W and B2W2

Mew~
April 22nd, 2012, 10:05 AM
Didn't they come up with some weird side quest in FR/LG which helped you trade with Ruby and Sapphire, you had to collect two plates which powered some sort of machine? We'll probably just get something like that in B2/W2, with some crazy explanation that isn't going to make sense.

brightbus
April 22nd, 2012, 03:13 PM
I don't know if it would be possible to patch as the game is saved on the cartridge and adding more data from the outside corrupts the data, which is why Action Replays are usually bad for games. I don't exactly know how the C-gear skin and Pokedex skin things work, but they can't be a major change compared to remotely adding script with new sprites to the game as a whole.

The kyurem forms are gunna be the sequel specific Pokemon. So there will be restrictions like with Platinum/HG/SS with D/P. Also D/P/Pt/HG/SS were during the same story line period so they wouldn't be effected by the time issue that plagues B/W and B2W2

Things like this won't be a problem when GameFreak finally switches over to the 3ds (which games are patchable according to Nintendo who say's theyll start patching 3ds games this summer) I have high hopes for Generation 6.

Xander Olivieri
April 22nd, 2012, 03:23 PM
Things like this won't be a problem when GameFreak finally switches over to the 3ds (which games are patchable according to Nintendo who say's theyll start patching 3ds games this summer) I have high hopes for Generation 6.

That would be interesting. I know the Downloadable games are patchable and updatable, but I never heard about them doing this with their cartridge games. Gen 6 would be very cool if they can do updates like that, but it rises an issue, what would be the point of making new games if they can update? Will they be charging for the patches/updates to handheld games like how the PS3 and Xbox do? If so, that would prolly take away a lot of fan's love for the system.

Mr. Magius
April 24th, 2012, 05:41 PM
Didn't they come up with some weird side quest in FR/LG which helped you trade with Ruby and Sapphire, you had to collect two plates which powered some sort of machine? We'll probably just get something like that in B2/W2, with some crazy explanation that isn't going to make sense.The Ruby and Sapphire in FR/LG? That's not a bad idea. I have no idea what the items would be in B2/W2, but I assume something to do with Black and White.
If that's the case, we could see an extra region/set of islands to obtain these items. Unless GF wants us to get them in Unova :c

A Sadistic Bastard
April 24th, 2012, 05:57 PM
That would be interesting. I know the Downloadable games are patchable and updatable, but I never heard about them doing this with their cartridge games. Gen 6 would be very cool if they can do updates like that, but it rises an issue, what would be the point of making new games if they can update? Will they be charging for the patches/updates to handheld games like how the PS3 and Xbox do? If so, that would prolly take away a lot of fan's love for the system.

Damn bro. You're getting ripped off. I get my xbox/PS3 patches for free. I've never payed for one.

Xander Olivieri
April 24th, 2012, 08:06 PM
Damn bro. You're getting ripped off. I get my xbox/PS3 patches for free. I've never payed for one.

You get all Call of Duty extended maps free? Pretty sure you don't. Same with add ons which is pretty much what was referred to. Adding to the games usually costs money. Fixing a bug or glitch would be free but still cause issues with the game cartridge.

Captain Fabio
April 25th, 2012, 04:33 AM
I think some form of 'Trading Capsule' could be an interesting idea. The function would choosing on a screen what you are trading and such, you put your pokeball in there, wait for a couple of seconds and your trade happens.

dreamcatcher
April 25th, 2012, 06:09 AM
I don't know why there'd have to be a different way of trading from BW to BW2, there aren't going to be new Pokémon in BW2, and the new Kyurem forms could just switch back to its original form if traded to BW. I hope they don't have to come up with a new, confusing method of trade.

A Sadistic Bastard
April 25th, 2012, 12:45 PM
You get all Call of Duty extended maps free? Pretty sure you don't. Same with add ons which is pretty much what was referred to. Adding to the games usually costs money. Fixing a bug or glitch would be free but still cause issues with the game cartridge.

Nope I don't. Why? Because those are DLCs.

Hiroshi Sotomura
April 25th, 2012, 10:23 PM
DLC is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, and the DS doesn't exactly support DLC. (In comparison to the 3DS.)

Kyurem formes probably wouldn't transfer over.

I don't think there needs to be a different way either, but being able to trade through time sounds like something that needs an explanation. I wouldn't be surprised if trading to B/W was blocked off in some way initially.