Unusual AntiSkarmBliss

[Ice demon]

Hmm been awhile since i last posted a thread anyway....

Misdreavus[modest]@leftovers/salac
EVs - SpAtt,Def,SpDef,Sp
thunderbolt
pain split
toxic
psychic/HP fire/destiny bond


Houndoom[+Sp,-Def] @ Salac Berry
EVs - SpAtt,Att,Sp
Substitute
Reversal
Fire Blast
Crunch/HP Ice/Grass/pursuit

meh i think we've seen this already

Raichu[timid]
EVs - Sp,Att,SpAtt,hp
focus punch
thunderbolt
encore/sweet kiss/thunderwave/sub
encore/sweet kiss/thunderwave/sub

it would be too fast to really use subpunch....thats why sub places last
hey i would be honest
this thing kinda sucks



They are admittedly not the best
but they are different...


Blaziken[+Att,-def]
EVs - SpAtt,Att,Sp
focus punch
substitute
HP electric
fire blast

a different subpunch boltbeam
with blast as beam and HP electric as bolt
different

[Lion Heart]

I had heaps of success using this Houndoom as a SkarmBliss counter:

Houndoom (M) @ Liechi Berry
Trait: Early Bird
EVs: 70 Atk / 188 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Flamethrower
- Pursuit
- Substitute
- Reversal

I haven't used it in a few days recently, but I just put him back him.
His speed hits 300, which is good enough to outspeed those pokemon who hit 299 w/out +SPD personality.
The plan is to sub down until Liechi, then Reversal, if Skarm/Forre/Cloyster comes out, a single Flamethrower will knock them out, unless they have DEF ev's.

He's actually good to use, not just as a SkarmBliss counter, but as a Subrevver, I mean, the set works.

On another note, Blaziken can lear Thunderpunch now, so for Netbattling, go with Thunderpunch over HP Electric.

[Ice demon]

On another note, Blaziken can lear Thunderpunch now, so for Netbattling, go with Thunderpunch over HP Electric.

Thats what you get for copying and pasting an old moveset i guess ^^
well then revise the blaziken HP electric moveset to thunderpunch



I had heaps of success using this Houndoom as a SkarmBliss counter:

Hence the fact that i said that - meh i think we've seen this already

[Shuckle]

Misdreavus[modest]@leftovers/salac
EVs - SpAtt,Def,SpDef,Sp
thunderbolt
pain split
toxic
psychic/HP fire/destiny bond


meh I guess it might work but I really dont think so.

[Pokemon is chess]

In general Fire pokemon will not break standard teams as Suicune and Salamence will lay the smack down on you.

Getting past "Skarmbliss" is not hard at all, it's getting past Suicune and other friends. :] Suicune is the absolute essence of stall.

[Shuckle]

lol yeah. it is no longer skarmbliss, it has become a threesome, suiskarmybliss

[klducks]

lol yeah. it is no longer skarmbliss, it has become a threesome, suiskarmybliss

and then a foursome, clops/garsuiskarmbliss to block rapid spin and focuspunch =(

[Shuckle]

so mainly entire teams are created to stall like hell and then they complain about gsc being stally. :/

[Lion Heart]

CB Gengar can explode and ohko Blissey.
Tyhplosion fire Blasts Skarm ohko.
CH Exploding Shiftry ohkos Cune.

[Ice demon]

meh I guess it might work but I really dont think so.

Yeah i don't think it will either

for Cune
Mantine[calm]@leftovers
EVs - SpDef,hp,SpAtt,Def
surf
haze
toxic
rest/ice beam/HP grass


it elimininates CM and does a number with toxic....especially when surf does no damage.

CB Gengar can explode and ohko Blissey.

focus punch clops too assuming no ice beam...

[klducks]

CH Exploding Shiftry ohkos Cune.

that made me lol... unless its a typo and you meant CB

[Lion Heart]

Nah, I meant Critical Hit.

Wouldn't Lapras be a Cune counter?

Like, with Water Absorb and all, maybe with Thunderbolt or something.

[klducks]

Nah, I meant Critical Hit.

Wouldn't Lapras be a Cune counter?

Like, with Water Absorb and all, maybe with Thunderbolt or something.

Lapras is the best cune counter next to bliss... since it can p haze it w/ roar and t bolt...

and a poke that only beats a bliss w/ a ch isnt really much of a counter lol

[Phlemingo]

Nonetheless, something that explodes on suicune should take off enough hp for dutrio or something to finish off... though the CH counter is stupid.

[Shuckle]

BLAZIKEN WINS. THANK YOU BLAZIKEN WINS YOU ALL.

It can endure vs suicune and then reversal it [assuming it ohko's] and then it can take out skarm and bliss and then maybe it might have some juice left to take out some more monsters. :X

[Firebird]

[QUOTE=Shuckle]BLAZIKEN WINS. THANK YOU BLAZIKEN WINS YOU ALL.

It can endure vs suicune and then reversal it [assuming it ohko's] and then it can take out skarm and bliss and then maybe it might have some juice left to take out some more monsters. :X[QUOTE]
What if Cune roars you out?

[klducks]

What if Cune roars you out?

thats a high possibility as if theres a roaring cune, theres a spiking skarm...

and the fact that tyranitar is pretty common in a stall team

[Kholdstaire]

Hi, don't make a whole **** team to take down SkarmBliss. A whole team didicated to that falls to everything not SkarmBliss

[klducks]

Hi, don't make a whole **** team to take down SkarmBliss. A whole team didicated to that falls to everything not SkarmBliss

thats true... usually teams that counter skarm bliss lose vs weezbliss

[Shuckle]

lol

more characters.
more characters.

[Pokemon is chess]

uh

blazikens reversal does about 70% to suicune

[Ice demon]

Hi, don't make a whole **** team to take down SkarmBliss. A whole team didicated to that falls to everything not SkarmBliss

Hi back ^.^
Please tell me exactly where i said it was a team?
because i didn't
its just a bunch of random movesets

[Lion Heart]

Well, to take care of skarmbliss, you could always try a Magneton with HP Fighting, it seems stupid, but it trap skarm, 1-2hko's him (depending on EV's), and HP Fighting can do 2hko on Blissey with the right EV's.

Course, he'll obviously lose out in the long run against other pokes.

[Ice demon]

How about using metal sound to take care of blissey?..but i guess HP fighting could work..mind u a 2HKO for blissey kinda sucks when counter + softboil is always present..

[Pokemon Is Poker]

stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid

[Pokemon is chess]

Minimum Damage 26%
Average Damage 28%
Maximum Damage 30%

max attack hp fight from magneton to blissey. wonderful, sir

[Toothache]

Yes you are. Lose the spam, before PC loses you permanently.

Anyway, consider Beat Up on Houndoom, has this marvellous effect of 2HKOing Blissey. May also want to Sunnybeam as well for Suicune, although after a CM or two that won't help immensely.

[Pokemon Is Poker]

stupid

character minimums are even stupider than this topic

edit: go ahead and ban me, I've been wanting an excuse to ban you from netbattle anyways

[Spike Razzor]

That Blaziken gets taken out by Blissey =(... Sub! Tossed! Sub! Tossed! Sub! Tossed!

Subversal Blaziken with Flamethrower is enough to take out Skarm/Forry/Weez with Bliss/Lax.

[Lion Heart]

Well, subreving Max ATK Blaziken against a Max HP and Max Def Blissey trn out like this:

- Fully subbed down =
Minimum Damage 171%
Average Damage 186%
Maximum Damage 201%

- 3 subs down =
Minimum Damage 128%
Average Damage 140%
Maximum Damage 151%

- 2 subs down =
Minimum Damage 86%
Average Damage 93%
Maximum Damage 101%

So it ohko's Bliss from 25% HP guarenteed.

[Lord Jaws]

Metal Sound on blissey is the best option as Magneton has just over 200 hp. So it can take 2 seismic tosses (while you metal sound) then unless im mistaken thunderbolt should either kill it or come very close. And it cant have counter used on it. If it survives then a strong physical attack should kill it with ease.

[klducks]

Metal Sound on blissey is the best option as Magneton has just over 200 hp. So it can take 2 seismic tosses (while you metal sound) then unless im mistaken thunderbolt should either kill it or come very close. And it cant have counter used on it. If it survives then a strong physical attack should kill it with ease.

wouldnt bliss t wave it before it s tosses?

Magneton used Metal Sound!
(Blissey's Special Defense Sharply Fell)

Blissey used Thunder Wave!
(Magneton is now paralyzed)

----

Blissey used Seismic Toss
(possibility of maggy being fped)

it wouldnt necesscarily work all of the time which is y i dont really like metal sound maggy as much =\

[Ice demon]

or blissey could just switch to a volt absorber or something
metal sound maggie does suck though

[Lord Jaws]

does not :(
gets curselax quite well

[Lion Heart]

Magneton only has 3 main moves, which are Thunderbolt, Hidden Power, and Thund Wave, his last move is up in the air as he has no good choices to go with, so Metal Sound is really all he can do.

[Lord Jaws]

MS also works against Blisseys that opt Counter over Seismic Toss, and i hav seen them.

[Lion Heart]

Same here but then again I've seen a Blissey use Focus Punch on me.

[Lord Jaws]

LOL, i hope they at least had enuff sense to giv it some atk EVs. It has one of, if not THE worst base atks in the game if im not mistaken.

[Lion Heart]

It was a Fighting Blissey.

Used ALL attacks, no specials, just attacks.

Was a joke I think lol.

Blissey is tightening HIS :O focus.
Blaziken used Reversal.
Blissey DIED.
Blaziken smashed Blissey's egg. =/

[Lord Jaws]

Well if Maggy could survive one FP, which i doubt it could, you would be able to make it flinch next time + have one MS on it. Then wait till it softboils to do anuther MS and repeat. As long as Maggy could survive one FP i think it would have the upper hand.

[Lion Heart]

Okay, max ATK + Nature Blissey VS Max Def + Max HP Magneton:

Minimum Damage 29%
Average Damage 32%
Maximum Damage 35%

I'm pretty sure Maggie can hold his own lol.

GOGO 3HKO.

[Lord Jaws]

Lol thanks for the maths on that one.

Gotta love Maggie

[Lion Heart]

Heh, but I wouldn't consider Magneton a true SkarmBliss counter, as who would leave Blissey in after it got Metal Sounded?

Could try a totally alternative kind of pokemon, such as Cacture, he has good enough Attack AND Special Attack to pull something off.

I'll look into some more unusual ways of killing them later.

[Lord Jaws]

Cacturne sucks balls sorry to say, it couldnt take a hit from Skarmory (assuming it has drill peck which most do) if its life depended on it, which it does.

[Lion Heart]

The idea is to kill Skarmory and not get hit.

Most Skarmory uses are dumb****s and use SPIKES instead of attacking.

[Lord Jaws]

Usually when Skarmory sees something it is strong against it will attack to go for a free kill actually.