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Incepticon
April 29th, 2012, 07:24 PM
Why do you think they are making 2 games for Black and White? Why couldn't they have done one game?

voicerocker
April 29th, 2012, 07:48 PM
Why do you think they are making 2 games for Black and White? Why couldn't they have done one game?

They could have made one game, they just didn't.

Personally, I feel it's story related and involves the concepts of Taoism that the Tao trio represent, which is why we got 2 Kyurem formes instead of just 1.

Incepticon
April 29th, 2012, 08:24 PM
They could have made one game, they just didn't.

Personally, I feel it's story related and involves the concepts of Taoism that the Tao trio represent, which is why we got 2 Kyurem formes instead of just 1.

That makes sense! I never thought about that. I was just wondering what people thought about all that.

Shiny Celebi
May 6th, 2012, 08:20 AM
I think its to go with the Tao symbolism Thats why I think they made two Kyurem forms at least, though there will probably be minimum differences between the games, I would hope the story is a little bit different between them.

Kenshin5
May 6th, 2012, 11:58 AM
More then likely is a good deal monetary related. Although there is probably settle differences in how the game plays maybe different gyms or different team composition.

Yoshikkko
May 6th, 2012, 12:09 PM
Yeah agree with Kenshin on that it's just business too. Also, I think they might wanted to go at it a little different with gen V as a whole, a lot of things about gen V are different than the other gens.

Kyogia
May 6th, 2012, 12:09 PM
More then likely is a good deal monetary related. Although there is probably settle differences in how the game plays maybe different gyms or different team composition.
I agree with this. One of the reasons they made two games was probably to bring in more cash.
It does make me wonder how different each game will be, though...

Jovi
May 6th, 2012, 12:27 PM
Because they want money, and maybe they're proud of themselves for how BW turned out.

Aquarius1997
May 7th, 2012, 12:55 PM
Its all about the money !!!
yeah taoism is one of the reasons but so many people would buy both of the games(especially if they have different storylines) gamefreak would rake in ALOT of money just because they made two games

voicerocker
May 7th, 2012, 01:23 PM
Given that plans for B2/W2 were already underway before B/W, it wasn't purely a money related choice. The Taoism aspect works better with 2 games, and wouldn't make sense with just 1.

bwburke94
May 12th, 2012, 06:41 PM
It's for the money. This thread is just a bunch of complaints, but we're all buying both games anyway.

monpets
May 13th, 2012, 02:18 AM
Given that plans for B2/W2 were already underway before B/W, it wasn't purely a money related choice. The Taoism aspect works better with 2 games, and wouldn't make sense with just 1.

You have a point. Maybe, some portion of it was for money but the rest was all for the Taoism factor.

Hoenn
May 13th, 2012, 03:40 AM
It's a new move and it's a good move, making the same method using a 3rd game for every generation can become repetitive and boring, it's fun to change things up and these are more than just third games, these are direct sequels.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
May 14th, 2012, 08:39 PM
I think they did it to add to the duel factor of Yin-yang. Personally I would'ver perfered one sequel version but I'm not really complaining, it add the sense of a direct sequel for both games rather than just a sequel for a mixed story line.

Guy
May 27th, 2012, 08:03 PM
Story wise, Black and White left a bit of loose ends that would have benefited much more with a sequel rather than a rehash of Black and White a la Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum.

However, regardless of how they did it, I think the most notable reason why they chose to with another two versions and sequels is for the money factor. GameFreak is a business and they are all about the money. Black and White brought in respectable numbers in sales, and I think GameFreak saw an opportunity here and took it.

Plus, it's actually nice to see them breaking out from the norm and doing something different. The fact that the Japanese release date and the International release dates are so much closer together also means less waiting FTW!

Jellicent♀
May 28th, 2012, 07:47 PM
MONEY.
Lawd. Like, really and truly, as much as Game Freak loves to entertain their consumers, they love money just a wee bit more. Yes, they did leave a lot of unanswered questions, yes, people wanted to see an epilogue of sorts, but yes, and I can't stress this enough, they're a business. Businesses have but a few things in mind; making money, pleasing their buyers, making more money.

Aquarius1997
May 29th, 2012, 05:39 AM
Like Aerilyn said, when gamefreak saw the opputunity they took it

Yeah the game has a yin/yang plot and it would be better complemented with sequels but it would also be complemented by the thin GRAY line between yin/yang (this is what many people speculated in the past) Both are ethnical solutions to black and white

Gamefreak probably had a big meeting discussing what to do,
1)have one remake
OR
2)have two remakes

And they obviously picked two remakes for the monetary gain

ShadowStriatonTriad
May 29th, 2012, 05:49 AM
To highlight each of the legendary Pokemon for those who prefer over the other.

mackoo
May 29th, 2012, 09:08 AM
I think N will be returning, and depending on the version, he will have either one or the other dragon (Zekrom in Black 2, because he captured it in Black, and Reshiram in White 2, because he captured it in White). If they've done just one version, they would need to negate one version of events and choose the other one as canon.

Of course the other, more important reason is money.

pennguy
May 29th, 2012, 10:34 AM
I think they could keep N as having either/or because it depends on the version you bought before. So if you get White 2 and you had White, it would almost seem like the same story. Reshiram and Zekrom are supposed to represent the Yin and Yang. Kyurem represents the definition of "absence of". So Kyurem fused with either legendary means "the abscence of yin" or "yang" depending on which version you buy. Which is why White 2 now has Reshiram, rather than Zekrom. It's like White + White in White 2, rather than White + Black in Pokemon White. Does that make sense? Or am I confusing you?

Doppelgänger
May 29th, 2012, 11:01 AM
I think they decided to make BW2 just to change things up. BW were very successful for them, and instead of following their usual pattern, they decided to stick with BW because it brought them a lot of money because the first two games were a big success.

Reshiram Man
May 29th, 2012, 01:06 PM
Gamefreak came up with a brilliant idea for themselves to do 2 for the sake of monetary gain for them. So, in a sense, I believe they did it for money reasons, but then again, the whole Tao symbolism could have pulled them towards making 2 remakes instead of the usual 1 they have done ever since the beginning.

astigz_23
May 29th, 2012, 05:39 PM
Gamefreak came up with a brilliant idea for themselves to do 2 for the sake of monetary gain for them. So, in a sense, I believe they did it for money reasons, but then again, the whole Tao symbolism could have pulled them towards making 2 remakes instead of the usual 1 they have done ever since the beginning.

The next games aren't remakes of the first two game. Why? Because, first of all,
the new games have different plot (well, the story is not the same as the story featured in the first games), different characters, different gym leaders, and so on (i can't think of anymore). Remakes, basically, should be consistent to the story(meaning, it shouldn't be altered and should be almost the same as the original), should have the same characters and gym leaders. (except for Hoenn).

Anyways, I just had to clarify that.

Regarding for this topic, I don't know why the hell did they do that, but maybe they want to continue the plot of the first game, and add twists into them, but yeah maybe MONEY.

Proof to this is that consumers will not likely buy the game if it's just a remake. Why? Because of the replay value it will give the consumers. Who the heck wants to play the same game with the same story and have only few additional contents? Unless you're a Pokemon fan or you still haven't played the original, you will totally (in my opinion anyways) not gonna buy the game.

Reshiram Man
May 31st, 2012, 09:56 AM
The next games aren't remakes of the first two game. Why? Because, first of all,
the new games have different plot (well, the story is not the same as the story featured in the first games), different characters, different gym leaders, and so on (i can't think of anymore). Remakes, basically, should be consistent to the story(meaning, it shouldn't be altered and should be almost the same as the original), should have the same characters and gym leaders. (except for Hoenn).

Anyways, I just had to clarify that.

I was initially typing sequels, but somehow I typed remakes.
Quit raging over a small mistake.

But yea, most likely, it is all for the monetary gain of two instead of one, and in which I applaud Gamefreak for such a wonderful idea.

The Fallen
May 31st, 2012, 12:45 PM
I've thought about this a bit and was wondering if it was the right idea to expand on Pokémon Black & White versions instead of continuing the trend of creating a third installment, Grey in this case. I'm not opposed to the idea of additional storyline in anyway, but what do you really think sparked this idea? From a marketing standpoint this is going to generate a lot of revenue for The Pokémon Co., but outside of that do you think that they really want to go so far in depth with this trio of Dragons that a singular third version wouldn't suffice?

Khrysta
May 31st, 2012, 01:07 PM
I've thought about this a bit and was wondering if it was the right idea to expand on Pokémon Black & White versions instead of continuing the trend of creating a third installment, Grey in this case. I'm not opposed to the idea of additional storyline in anyway, but what do you really think sparked this idea? From a marketing standpoint this is going to generate a lot of revenue for The Pokémon Co., but outside of that do you think that they really want to go so far in depth with this trio of Dragons that a singular third version wouldn't suffice?

This was already being discussed in here as well as other threads, Merged with an active one.

The Fallen
May 31st, 2012, 01:09 PM
This was already being discussed in here as well as other threads, Merged with an active one.
Sorry about that. Did a search of the forum for a thread of this, but didn't come across one. I'll broaden it next time. Thanks for merging it!

hiiro-kun
June 1st, 2012, 02:19 PM
Every game it's a new region with basically the same story line. Maybe they though some people would get bored with it. Besides, they've never done a sequel before.

psyciceman
June 5th, 2012, 03:16 PM
Besides, they've never done a sequel before.

Ohai Gold and Silver, I didn't see you there.
But seriously is it that big of a deal? Just be glad that they're gonna try something new.

Hikamaru
June 5th, 2012, 11:41 PM
In most generations, they usually release a third version after the initial pair, which usually contain new features, enhanced story and changes in Pokemon availability.

This time round, they wanted to break from that tradition and make a second pair that takes place 2 years in the future. They wanted a direct sequel pair of games for a change.

I think that these games may turn out to be the most successful, at least for the older fans. Nearly almost the entire fanbase loves the Pokewood feature, Cheren and Bianca's new designs and the inclusion of older generation Pokemon.

Gamefreak wanted to try something different imo, possibly to get the older fans into playing.

ahovking
June 17th, 2012, 12:37 PM
Personally it was a big mistake to remake Pokemon black & white, i dont like the Pokemon (for example Vanilluxe.......its..its a ice cream cone not a Pokemon) they should of just started a new game or maybe if they wanted to remake a game, they should of remade Pokemon emerald in my opinion.

Livewire
June 18th, 2012, 09:22 AM
It's a bit of precedent. New Pokemon games come in twos'. These aren't just remakes, they're explicitly stated to be sequels. Sure they could have done one game, but there's so much more money in this for Nintendo if they make two.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
June 19th, 2012, 06:06 PM
I like them, it's new and fresh for a sequel midgeneration rather than having us wait for another like they did between I and II. The story also seems to have the potential to be quite interesting ^_^.

Glaceon_
June 19th, 2012, 06:47 PM
I haven't really read through the thread, but I would reckon that what I'll be saying is what a lot of people have said, already.

I like that, rather than going with the norm, BW2 are essentially coming to us as their own games. They're set in the same Region as BW, sure... but they've added more to it than just a reorganisation of certain story aspects that, in my opinion, would have really made just a single game out-of-sync with it all. I'm glad that there is going to be more from this story, and I'm really looking forward to how this all comes to a head, and seeing how the story of the Unova region and its cast of characters, comes to a close. (since I'm venturing to guess that these will be the last games we see of the Unova region)

All that remains now, is to await their translation and distribution... which I'm hoping won't be as long as I fear it will be... heh...

hiiro-kun
June 19th, 2012, 09:05 PM
Ohai Gold and Silver, I didn't see you there.

Just because you travel to Kanto doesn't make GSC/HGSS a sequel.

Aquarius1997
June 19th, 2012, 09:16 PM
Now that i think about it, i think they are trying to step out of the box with pokemon.

TWO pokemon games are going against the norm of pokemon

Pokemon Conquest-very diferent from a normal pokemon spinoff
AND
Pokemon Black2/White2- first actual sequels

To me, these two are the starters to a plethora(big word ;) of strange but wonderful pokemon games. But they will stop the new ideas if THE FANS hate the games and go back to the normal 2 version--> 1 big version

DowntownDumpling
June 24th, 2012, 07:57 AM
Pokemon has been slowly but steadily losing popularity since around 2000 or 2001. Nintendo just has to jump through smaller and smaller hoops to keep breaking even.

Patchisou Yutohru
June 28th, 2012, 09:19 AM
I kind of have the thought that it's making up for a future game (the remake of Gen III). I've been thinking that maybe they chose to put two games for the Black and White ramakes to change it up a bit, and instead of getting two games for Gen III in Gen V, they're going to make a remake of Emerald. Though, I doubt that this is accurate. It's probably just for the sole purpose of making more money, but I always like looking for deeper meanings into actions!!

Dominus Temporis
June 28th, 2012, 11:02 AM
Pokemon has been slowly but steadily losing popularity since around 2000 or 2001. Nintendo just has to jump through smaller and smaller hoops to keep breaking even.

Sorry, but what? What could even remotely give you that idea? Pokemon is going stronger than it ever has been. Red and Blue sold roughly nine million copies, which is a lot. Ruby and Sapphire, however, sold about 13 million, and Diamond and Pearl nearly fifteen million copies. And that's not even including third versions in the mix!

Heck, Black and White broke the one-day sales record for the entire franchise. And on top of that, Pokemon is the second-best selling video game franchise in the world. You know who the first is? Mario. And despite being around twice as long that series is just 150 million copies ahead of all Pokemon games sold.

I'm sorry, but saying that Pokemon has gotten less popular is not just wrong, but laughably so.