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Major Ziggs
May 9th, 2012, 06:01 AM
This is a debate that has been going on for a long time; which is better, shiny hunting or RNG?

Shiny hunting is the act of finding shiny Pokemon through the use of random encounters and soft resetting. Essentially the idea is to encounter as many Pokemon as possible in the hopes of one of them being shiny. It's considered a much slower and more tedious method of obtaining shiny Pokemon than RNG, and the Pokemon you obtain don't necessarily have good IVs or natures, but its considered a fairer and easier way of obtaining the shiny Pokemon you want and has been referred to as a more honest way of finding the Pokemon.

RNG is the act of manipulating the game's internal clock and using methods of frame advancement in order to make certain Pokemon appear. This method can easily yield flawless Pokemon with whatever traits you desire, but it takes a lot of skill to get it right and it can be very hard to work with, sometimes taking days to perform just one RNG.

So the question is: which do you prefer?

Cordelia
May 9th, 2012, 06:19 AM
Personally as most everyone should know, I prefer RNG abuse because to be honest, I do not have the patience to shiny hunt and I'd hate the shiny because it would have a random nature and IVs, which is totally undesirable to me. This is not saying that I'd toss a random shiny if I ever saw one, but I have never seen one. xD It takes a lot of time and patience to shiny hunt, so more power to the people that can do it, in my opinion. RNGing takes time to learn but after you get it down it's wonderful, easy, and quite fun. ^^

Jak
May 9th, 2012, 07:35 AM
RNG definitely. It's fun, doesn't take as long, and you get the results that you want. Plus I like doing bps/cps for people cause giving someone a desired Pokemon can make their day. You never know! Shiny hunting...takes too long for my taste. I gave up on SRing for a shiny Kyogre in Sapphire lol. And I think it's ridiculous to run around in the grass all day waiting on a shiny. It seems tedious and boring, but that could also be said about RNG by someone that doesn't know how.

Gonzo
May 9th, 2012, 07:50 AM
I disagree that shiny hunting is easier. OK, you need no skills, but it takes LOADS of time. Learning RNG in 5th Generation with a good guide takes max. 3-4 hours so not a big deal, really. Also, Shiny hunting is some kind of manipulating game. You reset to get a shiny. Technically, the only difference between RNG and hunting is that in RNG, you know exactly what and when you have to hit and in hunting you do exactly the same thing but blindfolded.

My answer is: can't be bothered to waste months on shiny. I RNG them. Also, I play competitively, so IVs are important to me and IV hunting is also time consuming, so nothx.

이큐리
May 9th, 2012, 06:18 PM
Shiny hunting is much too tedious in my opinion. I know RNG is pretty difficult too, but I could do in 30 minutes to an hour what would take days/weeks with shiny hunting. Plus RNG yields much better results if you know what you're doing. o3o

twistedpuppy
May 9th, 2012, 08:44 PM
It's considered a much slower and more tedious method of obtaining shiny Pokemon than RNG...but its considered a fairer and easier way of obtaining the shiny Pokemon you want and has been referred to as a more honest way of finding the Pokemon.

Slower, tedious, and easier? If it's slower and more tedious, it's not easier.

My personal preference is RNG. I know what I'm after, I know how to get it, and I always get it. As to why it's referred to as a "more honest way" of finding a shing, I don't see why some people choose to say, but you know they don't have a problem when taking an RNG'd Pokémon. RNG and shiny hunting are two sides of the same coin. They're essentially both manipulating the game (resetting for a shiny / hitting a frame or delay). The only difference between the two methods are the players themselves. Someone who can RNG knows exactly how to obtain the shiny they're after by simply knowing when to enter the game. That's all there is to it.

TheGr8
May 9th, 2012, 09:02 PM
I used to do shiny hunting mainly before I really got into RNG. I remember spending so much time SRing for a Snivy that I never finished because I was too lazy to keep going after like 3,000 SRs. Once I learned how to RNG it became so easy to obtain shiny and flawless pokemon. You lose some of the surprise element but I would much rather have many shinies than just one in forever.

Wiilio
May 14th, 2012, 06:48 AM
For time's sake, I do RNG if I want a shiny (which I usually don't nowadays; shinies have kinda lost their special appeal, and now it's just down to color preference, and I usually prefer regular colors). It is easier, for sure.

However, it's just something about actual hunting that takes the color preference and makes it special again. You actually have to work for it. And yeah, it is hard. That, to me, just makes it more special.

For example, I have a bunch of shinies I've RNG'd on Pokecheck in a box called "Trophy Case." They're cool and all, I guess.

But my only random encounter shiny that I still have, my Garchomp, is sitting right on my in-game team in White, just because it means a lot to me.
(It helps that it's Jolly with 31 Speed too :3)

And when I used to chain, my heart always skipped a beat when I saw that one patch sparkle. It was just awesome to see. When I run through Platinum again, I'll probably get into chaining after I get my Uxie.


So, in short, I prefer RNG for convenience, but when I want to make it special, I'd rather shiny hunt.

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Naya Rivera
May 14th, 2012, 06:52 AM
RNG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shiny hunting. I just cannot with Shiny Hunting. ):< It's so frustrating and ugh! With RNG you can choose the Pokemon you're getting. You can basically twist the game to your liking, in a sense. Shiny hunting is just a random mess. I used to shiny hunt in GSC. And then I tried in RSE. The latter is where I gave up for good because of nothing. I loved it in GSC. I did a few SR's in 4th gen just for lolz. and ended up getting 3 shinies but still!

VoxynZ
May 22nd, 2012, 08:22 AM
I've never sat down and hunted for shinies, but finding one randomly in your game is an awesome feeling. That being said, the 3 shinies I've found this way, Diglett in Crystal, Golbat in Ruby, and Patrat in Black, are not extraordinary in any other way. I won't make an RNG Pokemon shiny unless I like the alternate colors. I'm still torn between shiny Milotic and regular Milotic...

Dejayzing
May 22nd, 2012, 09:38 AM
Im used to finding shiny Pokemon because it will take up the time and it makes more sense to find one randomly in nature than use somthing to find it. if im correct i never really actually used RNG but im pretty surtain its a man made item. if im not correct you could take this down but i have more fun training in wild grass then POP Twinkle Twinkle i found a shiny pokemon. The first shiny pokemon i caught was a shiny raticate. Altho it was usless to me at the time i learn that its good pokemon. In pokemon Crystal i was walking in the grass by newbark town to catch a sentret because i havent caught one for the pokedex and then a shiny entei with a blue colored star mouth...thing i dont know what part that is on a Entei but i knew it was shiny because of the twinkling that occured as soon as i encountered it. Altho i would have caught it if i tried i did not have scary face or any other moves that would help me. i threw a heavy ball and it shook 2 times and got loose on the 2nd one. my heart stoped when i thought i was about to catch it and i screamed at the top of my lungs at my unsuccesful capture.

I like the old style shiny capture better.

Jak
May 22nd, 2012, 10:33 AM
^ Yeah but shiny hunting =/= finding a random shiny. When you shiny hunt, you're constantly looking for a shiny Pokemon basically. When you randomly find one, it's just that. Random. You weren't on the prowl for it and it was completely unexpected. idk. To me, there's a difference in finding a shiny and actually looking for a shiny, the former of which is not really considered shiny hunting.

darkrai1018
May 22nd, 2012, 04:42 PM
i have done both shiny hunting and rng. chaining is fun but if you miss your mark, your gonna wanna break the ds. lol. but also, 5th gen rng is very complicated. 4th gen platinum rng is easy. to me, its rewarding either way, to see the shiny appear on screen with no action replay in the ds.

Dying Light
May 23rd, 2012, 08:43 AM
RNG by far is my preference, however, I've had more luck finding random Shiny Pokémon in the wild than that of RNG abuse. It's not like I set out to find the Shiny Pokémon either. In Pokémon Emerald, I found a Shiny Tentacool. Then in the Safari Zone I found a Shiny Ledyba. Later in Pokémon SoulSilver, I found a Shiny Zubat and in the Safari Zone I found a Shiny Gloom. I have some sort of luck with Safari Zones too, because not once did either Pokémon break free. Anyways, I certainly don't like random encounters because I'm either not prepared or they are much too tedious.

Nova
May 31st, 2012, 10:01 AM
Im hunting 'em, cause im a real noob in the RNG section (really, i cant hit any seed with my lack of reactions >.<)...

Althrough its taking a lot of time, i found 3 shinies in a row... (Drilbur, Ferroseed, Swanna)

flyer1228
June 8th, 2012, 09:49 AM
I dislike both of them because I can't understand them. I chain shinies and it takes forever. I breed for shinies and it takes forever. I spend about 7 hours looking things up and trying how to use the RNG reporter and it takes forever. All the guides or either for BW or were made in 2009. Can anyone help me? I'm on pearl and I just want a shiny pokemon. I don't care about IV's or anything.

jerichob10
June 9th, 2012, 09:52 AM
I must say rng'ing is the best way to do it, shiny hunting takes forever, where rng abuse can only take a few hours to learn then your set, its pointless to shiny hunt when you can get shinys from rng abuse!!

greg0915
June 19th, 2012, 07:47 AM
Hmmm..... RNG'ing is far quicker, far less tedious and far more efficient. Wild shinies are very rarely a beneficial nature and as for IV's the odds are massively against you. Although to me wild encounter shinies are more special and are more exciting! However I wouldn't go hunting for shinies because well I can RNG...

NavySealGR
July 6th, 2012, 07:58 AM
I think RNG is better.I think it actually is the easy way,it maybe sound strange but yes.Breeding it with the means provided by the game is quite hard and needs patience.RNG takes skill,and time to master,it requires big knowledge,and being updated,but after you master it,its a piece of cake to crank out flawless shinies.Anyway,i think RNG is easier after you learnt it,and cool,so i choose that :3

Makenshi_au
July 13th, 2012, 08:52 PM
i may be new here but i've read nearly every guide on this and i still dont know how it really works if someone can make it a bit simpler to understand would be most helpful

Drag0nl0rdGe0ff
July 28th, 2012, 07:50 PM
Still cant figure out how to do RNG myself AND everything ive read says i need a program thats solely for Mac and i dont got a Mac so i cant do it. However shiny hunting can get awfully boring too so if i could learn how to do RNG id prob do it simply coz of all the people saying how simple it is to do once u learnt it

twistedpuppy
July 29th, 2012, 03:54 PM
Still cant figure out how to do RNG myself AND everything ive read says i need a program thats solely for Mac and i dont got a Mac so i cant do it. However shiny hunting can get awfully boring too so if i could learn how to do RNG id prob do it simply coz of all the people saying how simple it is to do once u learnt it

We have an RNG guide located here in the Art of RNG thread. It's fairly simple to understand. You just need to have patience and read everything carefully.

As for the program, while a Mac does require a special RNG program, there is another program for Windows users called RNG Reporter. It can be found on Smogon's Wi-Fi forum (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83057).

Dark Nero
August 10th, 2012, 08:29 PM
I'm an old user that recently found his DS and Platinum. Remembered this forum as well and I see a lot has changed. The Masuda Method was what I based my Shines off, pain in the ass though, think I spent 2 month gaining 20 shinies.

ShinyJohtomaster
August 23rd, 2012, 12:01 PM
I used to be a hunter, but I've found my dream shiny- Charmander in FR. So now I don't hunt anymore. But I prefer actual hunting over RNG.

何贤豪
August 27th, 2012, 10:42 PM
I prefer RNG abuse. It's a lot faster...for getting a usual Shiny Pokemon.

loucas
September 17th, 2012, 04:06 PM
i have done both shiny hunting and rng. chaining is fun but if you miss your mark, your gonna wanna break the ds. lol. but also, 5th gen rng is very complicated. 4th gen platinum rng is easy. to me, its rewarding either way, to see the shiny appear on screen with no action replay in the ds.

break it! haha, i used to chain shinies too.

RNG is the way to go, but yes, it does take the "special" factor to the pokemon, random shinies are more special because, well, they are random. like my blue Relicanth *i was like "ooooooooh" when i caught it when i was fishingin platinum.

Siigari
September 30th, 2012, 08:16 PM
Serious post: I would prefer to find a shiny much like the way I found my first shiny -- a Voltorb in FireRed in a bush while playing normally (which I caught with an Ultra Ball, by the way, because I didn't want him to explode in my face. He is the only of the main Pokes I use not in a standard Poke Ball.)

Serious question: Why do some people here want "flawless" shinies? For me the fun is the fact that it's SUPPOSED to be "random" when you find Pokes in the wild, and you BREED Pokes to have more control over the output. So why do it? Path of least resistance is not an acceptable answer. I am asking why do you want to insta-generate a perfect Poke rather than work for it?

Sage Ghetsis
May 6th, 2013, 11:43 AM
I used to shiny hunt. But it kinda got boring for me. Soft resetting is really boring, but i can handle Masuda Method okay. I just don't really have much motivation to do it. I can get just about any shiny from the trade shops.

pokewalker
May 25th, 2013, 06:22 AM
Shiny hunting! It can be pretty boring but if you turn on some music and grab your phone to chat with friends it isn't boring at all. Plus it's really rewarding.
But that said - I don't continually hunt. I only do it when I have the time and when I'm in the mood for it. Last time was two weeks ago, and got a Suicune in just 3 days and some 1300 SRs :D

Absol
May 28th, 2013, 05:38 PM
RNG all the way! lol I have never, ever, ever found a shiny on my own and I've been playing for years. Yes I've hunted months for them too I just have the worst luck ever. Finally got my first shiny with RNG breeding (an Eevee ofc) and even though it's IVs aren't perfect I still love it. Some RNGs have taken me a few days to do and made me want to smash my DS a few times, but seeing that sparkle when the battle first starts always makes it worth all the effort. :)

tabor62
May 28th, 2013, 05:45 PM
I prefer RNG over shiny hunting since it's a lot faster. However I will go shiny hunting if I"m feeling especially bored and I have a lot of time on my hands. I've only gotten two out of hunting though >.<

~RNC~
May 28th, 2013, 06:09 PM
By far I think every one will agree on this on one, no one has the patience for chaining it will always be RNG, that's how I do it.

Sage Ghetsis
May 29th, 2013, 01:39 PM
By far I think every one will agree on this on one, no one has the patience for chaining it will always be RNG, that's how I do it.
I'm sorry, but this is a completely false statement. There's an entire club on Pokecommunity that prefers shiny hunting, of all forms, including chain, Masuda, soft resetting on stationary Pokemon, and even streaight up wild encounters! They even made a challenge for it over in the Challenges Forum recently. Plenty of people have the patience.

tabor62
May 29th, 2013, 02:06 PM
By far I think every one will agree on this on one, no one has the patience for chaining it will always be RNG, that's how I do it.

I have to agree with Necrum on this one. There are plenty of people who shiny hunt here on PC and I myself am a member of the club (http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?p=7418557#post7418557). Even though I can just RNG one, I hunt every now and then. It's a lot more satisfying when you obtain it without RNG.

Cinderkittyz
May 30th, 2013, 02:17 PM
I don't think RNG would feel as rewarding as just finding shinies normally.
I found my first shiny last week, that I didn't get from a trade or was Supposed to be there (like the lake of rage thing) and it was the greatest feeling.
If you know that your gonna get it, that isn't very fun.....

Austin1395
June 18th, 2013, 08:56 AM
Okay, I've never really did any RNG abuse so I ran through and read all of these posts and such. I have to say, RNG is the exact thing that I despise, not as bad as other things, like PokeGen but, still awful nonetheless. I absolutley HATE people using outside (not already in place in the game) mechanics to obtain their "perfect" Pokemon. Sure, RNG isn't making their stats higher and all that, but, if it wasn't in the game, don't use it. It isn't honest, it isn't right. Shiny hunting is tedious, boring, and difficult, but, at least when I have a shiny I can say I sat there and searched for days for it not, "I manipulated the game because I'm impatient". I know I'm not the only person out there annoyed by it. Okay, RNG takes some skill, it takes a little time in itself, it takes some more intelligence. I don't care, it isn't already in place in the game, you cannot walk up to some building and ask some scientist to help you RNG, than it wasn't something meant to be done. Hardly anyone plays these games fair anymore, that's why I'm hardly competitive. I'm proud to say I've leveled up my entire team to 100 legit and even one more of my Pokemon and I don't plan to stop. I just think everyone should play the games the way they were intended to be because otherwise, competitive battling is no fun. If you're just collecting, fine, I don't care, still not right, but, I don't care. I never really cared for shiny Pokemon (unless someone has a shiny Zorua/Zoroark they're willing to part with *hintity hint hint*), but, if you're going to use them and get them do it honorably.

Gonzo
June 18th, 2013, 10:08 AM
I absolutley HATE people using outside (not already in place in the game) mechanics to obtain their "perfect" Pokemon.

Exaggerating emotions can cause flame, jsyk.

Sure, RNG isn't making their stats higher and all that, but, if it wasn't in the game, don't use it. It isn't honest, it isn't right.

Bunch of Bull. RNG is built in the game. All encounters are selected by (Pseudo) Random Number Generator (RNG). Some clever people were able to decypher it from the game code and made an application that helps you with triggering encounters hidden in your games, that's all, so please, don't tell RNG is something external, because you're just showing off your ingnorance.

@The rest of the post: Soft Resseting or just hunting for shiny is exactly the same thing as RNG, really. When you RNG, instead of acting like a blind kid in the fog (Toph not included) and spending days/weeks/months you just have someone (in the case, an app) to guide your way, so it's just faster.

I'm trying to relate to the topic itself and I actually like my random shinies more than the RNGd ones, but I'm a competitive battler so I actually care more about perfect stats than shininess.

Griffinbane
June 18th, 2013, 11:06 AM
RNG exists everywhere in technology where something is randomly generated. That Solitaire game on your laptop? Controlled by RNG. Some of the machines in the casinos? RNG. Blood Bane of Stone monster in Diablo 2? RNG. The spells and attacks monsters decide to hit you with? Same RNG. That blah blah blah on -goes on a tangent-

IV breeding is also abusing the RNG though by a smaller amount. We figured out that we can pass down 2 IVs (randomly) from each parent, and that breeding parents with perfect IVs together generate the best babies. IV breeders are also abusing the system by your way of thinking.

Austin1395
June 18th, 2013, 08:08 PM
Exactly, had to build an application in order to do anything with decyphering that was done. If RNG abuse was meant to be use, the application would have been in the game. Again, RNG doesn't bug me as much as things like PokeGen, where you can "build the perfect Pokemon" from scratch. I apologize for the exaggerated emotions but, things like this really get to me and it's something I feel really strongly about.

Xylan
October 10th, 2013, 06:58 AM
I never RNGed so I guess I'm stuck with finding shiny from the wild. Never had a shiny before in my life, to be honest.

Griffinbane
October 10th, 2013, 07:21 AM
The only shinies I get nowadays are random ones that pop up during monotype runs. But since they're monotypes, I usually don't carry around pokeballs so when they pop up, derrrrrrp.

Omicron
October 10th, 2013, 08:05 AM
Coughdodriocough

Well, since I've never encountered a random shiny in my life, I prefer RNG over shiny hunting. I've bred using masuda method, soft reset for shiny legends and entered wild pokemon battles and nothing. :<

So all my shinies are RNGed.

⊗Slenderman⊗
October 11th, 2013, 02:27 PM
If I need a shiny quickly for a trade or something else like that, I prefer RNG. However, I spent so much time chaining prior to learning RNG abuse that it became a bit of a hobby for me.
So, if I just want a shiny Pokemon for the sake of catching/hatching it, I do prefer to shiny hunt. It's much more satisfying to finally encounter what you were searching for, after ___ soft resets, rather than knowing that the egg you hatch will be shiny (assuming you made no mistakes). Sure, it probably won't have an ideal nature and might have horrible IVs, but your work finally paid off! And, if you're really lucky, maybe it'll be good enough to use. If not, you still have that trophy 'mon to show off to others. [;
All of that being said, I have good luck with non-RNG'd shinies, so it isn't as tedious for me as it is for some others. I've been playing for less than three years and already have captured around 10 shiny Pokemon (some of which were chained).

Impo
October 11th, 2013, 03:14 PM
From what I used to do, 4th Gen RNG was kinda fun.
Of course, I could only RNG for shinyness, nature, and abilities, and I'd just use a good IV ditto for the breeding most of the time

Shiny hunting seems a bit tedious, imo

Aeroblast
October 11th, 2013, 08:18 PM
RNG is a surefire way of getting a shiny and the stats and nature you desire if you do it correctly, as opposed to shiny hunting which could technically take forever. But latter feels more rewarding if it actually comes off.

All in all, I'll pick RNG since the outcome is faster and more desirable.

Blastin'Tyruntz
October 11th, 2013, 11:19 PM
Shiney hunting of course. I couldn't look at my own face in the mirror if i were ever to use RNG. Im against hacking in general and the fact that some people are risking ruining their game for a pokemon with different colors and better stats actually sickens me. Be moral people.

Plumpyfoof
October 27th, 2013, 10:53 PM
Shiney hunting of course. I couldn't look at my own face in the mirror if i were ever to use RNG. Im against hacking in general and the fact that some people are risking ruining their game for a pokemon with different colors and better stats actually sickens me. Be moral people.

What are you talking about? RNG is not hacking, there is no risk of ruining the game. We are playing the game just the same. It's not like we're crossing wires to get results, we're leveraging the built in function to act how we want it to. It's non invasive and no cartridges or Pokemon are harmed in the process.

Sotani
October 31st, 2013, 08:41 PM
Honestly, I didn't even know what RNG was until this post and I went to go look it up, I'm not even sure how someone managed to figure that out /and/ make it easy enough for normal people to understand. Personally, I think it's more rewarding to find a random shiny by luck than algorithm but I don't do anything competitively so stats don't matter to me; so I can definatley understand why people would do the RNG method. All of my shinies have been random encounters and I've never had any successful hunts, recently i've started breeding for shinies but no luck there either.

Tunuko
November 17th, 2013, 04:59 AM
I prefer getting the shinies the way they're intended to be obtained - by getting lucky through encounters, breeding, or chaining.

In my honest opinion, using RNG to abuse the games' system is akin to using the old action replays/game sharks - I fail to see the point, you may as well just hack or use online GTS created pokés. Especially when finding "flawless" monsters. Getting a program to do the work would take all the fun out of the game for me. There's no fun in being handed top notch team members.

lucariokul
January 1st, 2014, 05:22 PM
RNG definitely. It's fun, doesn't take as long, and you get the results that you want. Plus I like doing bps/cps for people cause giving someone a desired Pokemon can make their day. You never know! Shiny hunting...takes too long for my taste. I gave up on SRing for a shiny Kyogre in Sapphire lol. And I think it's ridiculous to run around in the grass all day waiting on a shiny. It seems tedious and boring, but that could also be said about RNG by someone that doesn't know how.
You actually had that one? Im no longer alone then. Also, I found a shiny whismur on it by chance and killed it by accident. :(