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MegaDitto
January 15th, 2005, 04:46 PM
Animal Hunting.Are you for it or anginst the sport of Animal Hunting.Share your comments.

Suz
January 15th, 2005, 05:05 PM
I don't like it, unless it's for survivle, then I think it's ok...

Miyu-chan
January 15th, 2005, 05:21 PM
I don't really like hunting, but even though we don't hunt, we eat the products/results of hunting. (Unless you're a veggie-eater) We should treat our food with respect, knowing where it comes from.

Trent
January 15th, 2005, 05:33 PM
I am against hunting, why not just use the already dead animals for food?

carrielynn
January 15th, 2005, 06:25 PM
I'm 100% against hunting. It sickens me. The only excuse anyone could have for hunting is over-population, but I still don't think it's right. Hunting for sport or food (when you have money to go to the grocery store) is one of the things that anger me most.

No offense to people who do it. I just really like deer, rabbits, squirrels, ducks, and all those other animals that are shot at and have their lives taken away from them just because someone got a craving. I'm talking about all the people who shoot deer because they love deer meat. ><

Again, no offense. ^^;

Pokedragonfire
January 15th, 2005, 06:31 PM
Okay, vegitarian coming through (I'd be a vegan too but crap I'd starve! I don't think I can help save the poor chickens and cows if I'm dead! Persuation :))
Anyways...
I am 100% against hunting, killing animals, etc. Why? Because they feel pain and emotion almost EXACTLY the same as we do (ask logical resoning andf science if you don't believe me...)
"Just because it doesn't talk doesn't mean we should kill it."
Yeah. I hear a quote like that from something...
Let's use chickens as an example, because they are my favorites and are treated probably the worst.
Now maybe if chickens were not killed, treated very humanely and kindly, free of most pain, and had vet care, and one died naturally. Humans can eat it then. Or maybe if the chicken was killed painlessly after it had lived a relativily longish life, even if it wasn't sick.
I still wouldn't eat it because that chicken was one of my billions of best friends of course.

And yeah. Hunting? For sport? Like killing those innocent deer who are killed enough because of cars? That is plain wrong and mean.

Just try to put yourself into one of these animal's shoes. Try to live with torture and pain everyday. Human or not, it doesn't matter. Pain and torture is the same to every animal.

And now let me ramble on to the subject of plants...
Plants may have feelings but they do not feel pain. Natural selection (for those of you who oppose this...I feel sorry that you cannot trust proof and evidence, but I respect your beliefs) says that animals feel pain to get away or stop whatever is causing damage to their body. Well as plants do not have that ability, the do not feel pain because it would not help them to survive.

I'm 100% against hunting. It sickens me. The only excuse anyone could have for hunting is over-population, but I still don't think it's right. Hunting for sport or food (when you have money to go to the grocery store) is one of the things that anger me most.

Would you rather have:
A. A lifetime of torture and pain
B. A quick death from a bullet

Most people and animals if they could communicate like that to us would choose B. The animals that come from your local grocery store get A without a choice, and those deer get B.

MegaDitto
January 15th, 2005, 06:33 PM
I'm 100% against hunting. It sickens me. The only excuse anyone could have for hunting is over-population, but I still don't think it's right. To me there are a lot more human than animals.Humans make more over populations.

carrielynn
January 15th, 2005, 06:42 PM
Would you rather have:
A. A lifetime of torture and pain
B. A quick death from a bullet

Most people and animals if they could communicate like that to us would choose B. The animals that come from your local grocery store get A without a choice, and those deer get B.

That's why I don't like eating meat. I don't support buying meat from the grocery store either. It's just that I get the "what if I'm starving" argument a lot. ^^;

I guess I better not post in this topic anymore because it depresses me, and I don't want to offend anyone. XD

Timbjerr
January 15th, 2005, 09:57 PM
Hunting is what allowed the human race to survive back when we were in the pre-hominid point of evolution. I see nothign wrong with a man going out and sooting a deer to make some deerburgers or going fishing (which is another form of hunting when you think about it) to make fish sticks. As far as hunting for sport goes, I really have no opinion. I don't so it, I don't know anyone who does it (I actually knew someone who made his living as an angler, but he's been dead for a while). I know a lot of people may disagree with this statement, but I think we can apply Darwin's concept of "survival of the fittest" here. If the deer isn't fit enough to escape the hunter's bullet, he deserved to die anyways. XD

Mr Cat Dog
January 16th, 2005, 01:43 AM
I am fully against hunting for sport. The animal that one killed will have done nothing wrong, but it still died thanks to some trigger happy weirdo with a gun as long as his/her armspan. Just killing for the sake of it, IMO, is very very wrong.

Hunting for food, I'm fine with. Animals kill other animals for food. That's just life. Cats kill mice (they might not eat them... but that's not the point XD), Tigers and bears kill anything XD Whales just open their mouth XD But tmbjr's statement... kinda explains it well IMO.

Lady Pearl
January 16th, 2005, 06:02 AM
I'm also 100% against hunting. Humans are so cruel to animals; they hunt them and eat their meat and such and such. In my opinion of the fact that humans aren't allowed to kill humans but they are allowed to kill animals is truly horrible and wrong. *makes a petition for the world to dine on plants and products*

Pokedragonfire
January 16th, 2005, 12:01 PM
I know a lot of people may disagree with this statement, but I think we can apply Darwin's concept of "survival of the fittest" here. If the deer isn't fit enough to escape the hunter's bullet, he deserved to die anyways. XD
Not to disagree with survival of the fittest (We wouldn't be here in the first place without it) but a bullet could kill even the most fit deer out there. A deer avoiding a bullet is mostly plain luck, if the human misteps and the deer hears it or the deer by chance moves out of the way at the last second. It really is humans have created these advanced tools so quickly the deer cannot evolve quick enough. Deer have evolved over millions of years to be fast to escape enemies. Humans created guns about so many odd years ago, and well now the deer species can't evolve in just 5 years or something so they can avoid guns. Most often humans destroy habitats and animal species faster than they can adapt, so really they screw it up. :(

I don't really think the deer deserved to die either. Just put yourself in a deer's place. Even if you knew you weren't the 'best' deer out there, would you WANT to die? Or think you deserved it? I sure wouldn't want to die painfully at least. Bullets hurt.

I'm also 100% against hunting. Humans are so cruel to animals; they hunt them and eat their meat and such and such. In my opinion of the fact that humans aren't allowed to kill humans but they are allowed to kill animals is truly horrible and wrong. *makes a petition for the world to dine on plants and products*
*signs petition* I 100% agree :D I want to change that.

Okay, this really saddens me that most people care more about their non-living material objects than a chicken who is being tortured (who has FEELINGS and FEELS PAIN. It is just like a human, it just can't communicate very well.) It sickens me.

Another thing that sickens me is that a lot of people believe animals can be treated like this because it is to feed humans.

No one listens to me when I say more often than not, it is much cheaper and can feed more people to grow plants and then eat the plants than it is to grow plants, feed them to animals than eat the animals.

I have attached a PDF file explaining some of the tortures to animals for food and the advantages of being vegetarian. =) It might be a little biased but it has facts and reference.

Claire
January 16th, 2005, 12:17 PM
I'm against the hunting of animals for pleasure/wealth/due to them being "pests", but i don't mind as much if their meat is eaten.
In more developed countries, im not keen on it because we have plenty of meat already from the domesticated animals (cows etc.) and i think it's just greedy in our case. In less developed countries, i dont mind them hunting food at all -all humans need meat, especially in the less developed countries where they have no vitamin tablets to replace the vitamins not gained thru meat.
A large proportion of animals are meat-eating and eat species outside their own, so it's only natural for us to eat other animals.
With hunting for the bad reasons (that i mentioned in my first sentance) im completely against. Killing animals just because we got hold of a gun if really quite pathetic (especially since the ones shooting arent the ones who created the guns, and guns are hardly hard to use) since the animals don't have a chance. With the nuisance aspect, people should learn to protect their meat (eg. sheep) better rather than resorting to just shooting the animals. Shooting them will not stop other families from trying to get the meat, and better protection such as the dog deterrant-style wild animal deterrant would teach the animals that they should avoid meat owned by a farmer.

Legendary_Pokegirl
January 16th, 2005, 12:36 PM
I'm stuck in between. ^^;

Against~ If people are just hunting animals to stick the heads of them on their walls to look at and adore, then I just hate it! >.< It sickens me how people can do that! Its evil! They arent putting the animal to any use, they are just using it for popularity and something to talk about.

For it~ If people hunt for survival then it is perfectly fine with me. ^^; People have to live some way or another, its part of life. Another reason is the population. >.> If people dont hunt the amount of deer, bears, and even wolves will over populate. ^^; And we dont want that. Woof~

But either way, I hate the fact that animals are being killed. ;o;

~Karli

winnie
January 16th, 2005, 01:37 PM
i think animal hunting is wrong.
I don't think we should hunt animals, i mean we already kill animals for food, but hunting them down ....that's just being really mean.

Pokedragonfire
January 16th, 2005, 03:54 PM
If people dont hunt the amount of deer, bears, and even wolves will over populate. ^^; And we dont want that.
Humans are already overpopulated, so is it okay to hunt them? Most people say no, but I think there should be laws like you can't have more than a certain amount of children, but if you already have that many it's okay, you just can't have more. And if you do have more than allowed, you are fined a lot and nothing happens to the kid. It's like no one is hurt but you can't have too many kids to prevent over population. I suspect someone is going to oppose me 100% but everyone does anyway... >_<

Greed
January 16th, 2005, 04:53 PM
I'm not with hunting nor against it. o_o; I'm kinda against if its for sport >.>; I mean, we wouldn't like it if people killed us just to have our fricking heads on the wall, now will we? =/

I agree with Pokedragonfire. If we killed animals cus they are overpopulated, then they ought to slaughter any convicted prostitutes for doing it and risking having kids. *nods*

*dies*

Kayleigh
January 16th, 2005, 08:31 PM
I really don't like it... I could never do it myself. I could understand if someone had to do it to survive, but to just go out and shoot a beautiful deer just for the heck of it is wrong, in my opinion. I don't see how anyone could do it.

And really, nobody needs to go out and hunt 'for food' these days when they can just drive to the nearest grocery store and buy what they need. I know they'd still be eating animals that were killed, but atleast they didn't go out and kill more wild ones. I just can't stand to see or hear about people that kill such pretty animals such as deer or whales just for their fur and whatnot. And same with the more common animals, like chickens and cows; people raise and kill way too many of them now just for money, and they really mistreat them in the process! (Trust me, my aunt and I have saved 3 chickens that were from a company that raised them just to be killed. They were in such bad shape, but atleast they're okay now.)

~Ozy~
January 16th, 2005, 08:56 PM
Sport hunting sickens me without a doubt. How someone can go out and kill for "fun," I don't know. If you use the animal, though, I don't mind. That's part of how the human race got this far. Though I don't hunt myself, I can see why someone would hunt for food. I hope, though, that they also make use of he pelts, so on and so forth.

Thomas
January 16th, 2005, 09:28 PM
What are you guys talking about hunting awsome. I just got back from deer hunting in Alabama! But I dont like wreckless hunting. We skin and eat what we kill.

nayana_1120
January 17th, 2005, 07:33 AM
Hunting for food is okay. Everyone needs food. As long as it's eaten, I don't care if it got hunted or not. Besides, meat is good. ^^;

As for sport, I don't have an opinion on it yet. Seems mean and creppy to have trophies of them on your wall, but the animal would eventually die anyway... I know that might sound really mean, but it's the truth. ^^;

Kitsune_girl
January 17th, 2005, 08:12 AM
I think hunting for sport is just wrong, I don't like the idea of killing any animal, but if your gonna shot an animal thats had a good life already and eat that instead of some tortured thing from the maket, than I guess its okay.

I don't eat any type of red meat at all, and don't get me wrong, I love chickens and fish alot, but its hard to get by in life with a family who are big meat eaters and refuse to make any subtitutes.

And please don't say plants cant feel pain. I'm pretty sure they don't want to die either. Remember, people used to think animals didn't feel pain, so don't go asuming plants don't.

Pincushion
January 17th, 2005, 01:01 PM
Im very against Hunting (Btw this should go in the T-Dome), Anyways, I understand farmers shooting to get animals that are harm to there animalss, like going to kill them for know reasons, but animals do have to eat, I think its also very wrong to do it for fun, and training dogs up for it to, its just evil. So NO I hate it.

The Fallen
January 17th, 2005, 02:40 PM
Well im against it,How would you like to be hunted for fun?

Miyu-chan
January 17th, 2005, 07:17 PM
Hmmm... I'm just wondering, does fishing count as hunting? o.o; Because I don't really think people associate one with the other.

*hopes she's not going offtopic*

AngelWolfie
January 17th, 2005, 07:20 PM
I like to fish, I don't think that fishing is wrong at all, and I' retty sure it'snot considered hunting...

Thomas
January 17th, 2005, 08:08 PM
Well vegetarians can eat fish it is not hunting. 0_o Does that even make sense?

Happy Dude
January 18th, 2005, 02:10 AM
I don't mind eating meat or fish.But i've never been hunting and personly i don't want to go.it must be sad watching a poor defenceless bunny rabbit or deer or any animal getting shot.

Kylie-chan
January 18th, 2005, 04:16 AM
Nay, fishing for food isn't, and recreational fishing in moderation is okay.

I am against other recreational hunting. It's so terribly wrong. What if all the ducks and kangaroos and eagles and foxes and all chased us with guns? ;_;

Sassydoll76
January 18th, 2005, 04:21 AM
i dont like hunting at all but if u are hunting for food that is ok , but i hate the people who just hunt for fun

Pokedragonfire
January 18th, 2005, 04:27 AM
And please don't say plants cant feel pain. I'm pretty sure they don't want to die either. Remember, people used to think animals didn't feel pain, so don't go asuming plants don't.
Meh, this is a science thing. Plants cannot move right? If something was destroying or hurting them, what good is it to make them feel pain? They can't get away from or stop the cause. And if it doesn't help the plant survive it isn't passed on.
Plants may have some type of feelings or something but it is unlikely that they feel pain.

Claire
January 18th, 2005, 04:37 AM
Plants don't feel pain as they have no nerves or brain -im afraid that it's simple as that ^^;
Ya, there's different hypes of hunting. The two types i dont like are blood sport (eg. fox hunting) and poaching (eg. elephant hunting). Food hunting i'm fine with ^^

Miyu-chan
January 18th, 2005, 11:22 AM
Hunting just for fun is just... sick. There are just some people who enjoy torturing others, I guess. =/ It's just so sad.

dumbthingy
January 18th, 2005, 12:12 PM
In my POV, it's acceptable if people go hunting to get meat/something to eat but not just for fun, because hunting as a sport doesn't make too much sense after all.

MegaDitto
January 18th, 2005, 05:01 PM
Ya, there's different hypes of hunting. The two types i dont like are blood sport (eg. fox hunting) and poaching (eg. elephant hunting). [/QUOTE]
I am talking about that hunting also few more things.

Demonic Angel
January 19th, 2005, 02:22 AM
I'm against blood sport and poaching. I think it's okay to hunt for food, but for sport/money is just sickening.

rins
January 19th, 2005, 03:10 AM
I'm 100% against hunting. It sickens me. The only excuse anyone could have for hunting is over-population, but I still don't think it's right. Hunting for sport or food (when you have money to go to the grocery store) is one of the things that anger me most.

No offense to people who do it. I just really like deer, rabbits, squirrels, ducks, and all those other animals that are shot at and have their lives taken away from them just because someone got a craving. I'm talking about all the people who shoot deer because they love deer meat. ><


what's the difference between cows, chicken, and piggies versus deer, rabbits, squirrels (i've never heard of anyone eating a squirrel >.>), or ducks? because you find the later group is cuter, you think they should be spared?

on the other hand, outlawing humans from killing any animal is a very ridiculous idea IMO. humans are omnivores, and a lot of people simply need to eat meat. veggie lifestyle, even if you add soy products and protein bars, just doesn't get the same energy you get from eating real meat. the canines in our mouth tell us that we eat meat too. maybe a petition for making farms cleaning and getting better conditions for the animals would be best- the places farm animals live are quite often appalling. for example, i've seen a video about dairy cows, which involves them having a life in a very tiny stall, unable to have enough space to even turn around their entire life. they are feed the worse stuff ever, and when they pass their peak in milk producing, they are simply killed off.

and as for hunting, i am both for it and against it. a lot of hunters usually eat the animals they kill- that i find unproblematic (i mean, there arent many hunters anyway), and it's usually deer which already overpopulate my home state (there are so car accidents caused by them that i wonder if more deer have harmed humans than vice versa). the hunters that kill to show off their dead quarry and make no use of the body... thats kind of stupid. and then there's the hunting i absolutely hate- hunting that involves a hunter sitting safely in a helicopter shooting down animals who have not a chance to run or defend themselves at all. that is just disgusting. i'm not sure if there's a special word for it or not, but i have heard of it more than once and the thought of that is ridiculous. i imagine some rich bourgeouis person with all his hi-tech gadgets leaning over the side of the helicopter and following a wolf running in the open with his scope...

But I, like some others on the board, am a vegetarian and have been for the past seven years of my life, by my own choice (family is omnivores).
I'm not a crazy person who would rather save a deer than my mom or starve myself instead of eating a chicken or anything stupid like that, but i do think that even if some of us can attempt to live without meat nowadays, it will greatly help the environment. Cattle farms are a huge cause of pollution in the environment, and is the second largest industry producer of pollution (after automobile industry). I feel if i can just keep away from eating meat, maybe, little by little, the environment will get better.

MegaDitto
January 26th, 2005, 06:07 PM
I am just not a big fan of the sport.