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Porynoir
May 25th, 2012, 01:51 PM
I watched some episodes of Black and White and Best Wishes, the only one I liked was "A Venipede Stampede!".

It wasn't bad, but not near as good as older episodes. I'm not trying to be " oh old pokemon was so much better", but I think it started getting worse since Sinnoh.

Discuss.

dnomyar27
May 25th, 2012, 03:08 PM
I think Sinnoh was a lit long, but Unova seems to have a lot more action and it's growing

LadyFaust
May 25th, 2012, 07:52 PM
I personally think that, because the anime has been going on for so long, the writers are just becoming tired and uninspired to the point the episodes are just becoming very stale and formulaic. I'm not going to lie, in that sense I'm a bit of a purist for early seasons where I think the plotlines still had a certain element of freshness to them. However, as I was never a fan of the voice acting once 4Kids stopped doing the dub, I've sort of stopped following the anime.

FrostPheonix
May 25th, 2012, 08:08 PM
Ideas run out. Same way that, I think, many of the cartoons, games etc nowadays aren't very original; they all repeat concepts of of previous games. I'm guessing the writers don't know what exactly to write; they've run out of ideas.

PokeGirlBel
May 26th, 2012, 03:53 AM
The anime is not getting worse your just getting older. Its a kids show so most people just grow out of it thinking its getting worse due to having grown up and faced with other things. The thing is they don't expect people after 4 years to keep watching but a new group so its ok to reuse ideas. The same is true for Beyblade,Bakugan,Yugioh etc.

Mentalii
May 26th, 2012, 06:09 AM
They should make a more mature anime... Yes, I know, Pokémon is aimed for kid but I'm sure that a lot of older fans would watch if they made a better anime. Or an anime based on the manga.
The first seasons were also aimed for kids, but even now I still think they are way better. At least there was a scenario, we were discovering the world of Pokémon with a great heroe, the movies were awesome (Mewtwo VS Mew <3). Now, just the fact that Ash is still here ruin a lot of things. The characters are uninteresting, and the anime is more and more childish than before.

Porynoir
May 26th, 2012, 06:52 AM
They should make a more mature anime... Yes, I know, Pokémon is aimed for kid but I'm sure that a lot of older fans would watch if they made a better anime. Or an anime based on the manga.
The first seasons were also aimed for kids, but even now I still think they are way better. At least there was a scenario, we were discovering the world of Pokémon with a great heroe, the movies were awesome (Mewtwo VS Mew <3). Now, just the fact that Ash is still here ruin a lot of things. The characters are uninteresting, and the anime is more and more childish than before.

Couldn't have said it better my self!!!

jonicito
May 26th, 2012, 08:07 AM
I stop watching it because of the same reason and that few classmates tells me about it several times that I decided to quit. I only watch the series up to sinnoh because it's better than the current one with ugly characters (no offense) and they act different. Someone in my school used to tell me a lot of thing that Best wishes copied from, like copyright infringement, he said they mostly copy digimon. I only see certain episode of the new ones that only has something good, like seeing old characters. The next series better be good (most likely not for me) where Dawn and Cynthia gets to be shown.

donavannj
May 26th, 2012, 08:32 AM
Plot-wise as well as animation-wise, I find the Black & White anime to be considerably more interesting than any previous season, since the animation for movements has gotten considerably more detailed, as well as Team Rocket's whole makeover as basically secret agents, and the battles have a considerable strategy element to them. The eyes don't bother me one bit since those eyes are par for the course in almost any animation, be it western or eastern. Though all this can only be seen if you take off the rose-tinted nostalgia glasses that you have for the previous seasons.

Also, I have seen no copyright infringement whatsoever in Best Wishes.

jonicito
May 26th, 2012, 12:38 PM
I have crazy classmates who ruins the new series more, but a lot of classmates in one of my classes has boycotted the anime anyway. I have 1 classmate who hates everything new and thinks shows in 2010s does copyright infringements and the other who tells everyone about the new best wishes and try to force everyone to watch it, and he also talks to people about it a lot, including the ones who don't watch it. Like my last reply, same thing with most new shows on nick and cartoon network.

invisible_light
May 26th, 2012, 04:37 PM
I think it has gotten somewhat worse.. I don't consider myself a nostalgia-snob, but the new anime series is not exactly great. It's seems so bland to me. What's even worse is the fanbase, who obsess over it and freak out when I tell them it's not my favorite (note: i'm not saying all fans are like this, just a select few). However, there are definitely some good episodes, many of which appear to be better than the older ones. I also think there needs to be more changes in the anime. If the overall plot was more interesting, I would enjoy it more than even the original series. One thing the new series has right is the animations.

TheAC29
May 27th, 2012, 12:44 AM
Well, the anime is not that bad, the producers, writers and composers are trying their best to make new episodes, new shows, new music and songs, new characters, new pokemon, new designs and new games for younger generation of kids. I'm not the type of person that says "Oh, this generation of pokemon sucks the first gen is better", the people at The Pokemon Company are working hard to try to aim the series for kids from ages 5 to up and they can't remove Ash in the new series, kids might say "Where is Ash?" they might think he's grown up and that's why they need to keep Ash in the whole series.
4Kids is the worst company that I've imagined right now, they're editing skills like Rice Balls turned into a subway sandwich and dubbed into donuts from the very first series of Pokemon, the voice acting is very good but it's editing for unknown reasons was far the worse I've ever heard from that company. Good thing, Pokemon is back to it's original owner "The Pokemon Company". :)

DawnXHika
May 27th, 2012, 06:13 AM
I still watch it, although I think the new B/W Pokemon are.... just weird.

Pretty soon, we'll have Lampamon and Waterbottlemon (just naming random items on my desk at this point).

Ash's new eyes are... odd, and team rocket isn't fun anymore.

Plus, Ash is a freaking numbskull now in the new series. Everything he learned the past 14 years, he seems to have just forgotten.

And I'd like to see how they do flashbacks to old episodes, something that happens moderately frequently in the series. It would be awkward to have him with the old eyes, no?

Although, what I'm saying is purely opinion. You're free to disagree and present your case as you see it. I just think it's weird. Lol.

Gumball Watterson
May 27th, 2012, 07:26 AM
The answer is actually simple: Pokemon started as an anime and has slowly devolved into a Japanese cartoon. The reason we can't say whether it was better or worse is because the whole genre basically changed. Through Ash's implied age, the writers clearly demonstrated that they have no regard for temporal continuity whatsoever nor proper character development. "But Ash has had character development!" No, he had character change. Compared to Pre-4th Generation teams, the dynamics between characters are also stale and flat. And the movies slowly become the same thing: "Do some quest if you don't want Earth/Town X destroyed!" Same plot, different Pokemon.

And it makes sense. Wouldn't you start getting bored after 13 years of making a cartoon that was only intended to advertise games anyways? This show started off as a leg to a cultural phenomenon. The fact this is no longer the case should at least say something.

DawnXHika
May 27th, 2012, 07:33 AM
You know what doesn't make sense to me?

In one of the movie shorts, Ash tells pikachu:
This was the day we first met.

^ Implying that it's been a year, hence, he's 11 years old.

However, around a decade later, they still insist that he's 10.


Offtopic: Nice Appledash avatar.

TheAC29
May 27th, 2012, 05:04 PM
I still watch it, although I think the new B/W Pokemon are.... just weird.

Plus, Ash is a freaking numbskull now in the new series. Everything he learned the past 14 years, he seems to have just forgotten.
Like catching a pokemon without damaging it, pfft I just catch a pokemon instead of damaging it from the start of playing a pokemon game. Well it is anime so catching a pokemon without damaging it in the "game" doesn't count. :9

Blade_of_darkness
May 27th, 2012, 07:51 PM
They should make a more mature anime... Yes, I know, Pokémon is aimed for kid but I'm sure that a lot of older fans would watch if they made a better anime.

As much as I share your wishes, Mentalli, I've come to terms that it'll only happen once a blue moon comes by.

and team rocket isn't fun anymore.

What is fun is that they've put an end to all this harassment that they've been doing since the very first episodes. That has been getting old.

Also, I'll add that there's nobody else that's leeching the spotlight away from Ash. That's what kept the D&P series a real drag. Now that there's no-one hogging up his stage, it his show for the taking, just like old times.

I don't know about you, but I believe that the animé has gotten better with the B&W series.

Kenshin5
May 28th, 2012, 04:26 PM
The anime is not getting worse your just getting older. Its a kids show so most people just grow out of it thinking its getting worse due to having grown up and faced with other things. The thing is they don't expect people after 4 years to keep watching but a new group so its ok to reuse ideas. The same is true for Beyblade,Bakugan,Yugioh etc.
Expect with the series you mentioned or most of them their protagonists develop, advance, and we see new ones. Whereas pokemon we still have Ash after all the years.

You know what doesn't make sense to me?

In one of the movie shorts, Ash tells pikachu:


^ Implying that it's been a year, hence, he's 11 years old.

However, around a decade later, they still insist that he's 10.


Offtopic: Nice Appledash avatar.
As AK47 mentioned they as the staff already threw the continuation out the window several times. He progresses then its back to step 1 for him.

I don't see it as the anime getting worse more then it is staying the same. Same stuff happens over and over, which for fans watching for years becomes a bore so the point of watching it lessens. If they added freshness to it, and actually had continuation to Ash and we actually got somewhere near to the goal of Pokemon Master I think fans would be more satisfied. Instead we are subjected to a guy that has his Pikachu beat a Dragonite, but loses to an Eevee, beats a Regice but ties with an Elekid, ties with a Latios but loses to a Snivy. Pikachu is nerfed and Ash is nerfed honestly who wants to see that over and over again. At some point it is just stale. So instead of it getting progressively worse for the long time fans its getting more stale.

Charicific
May 29th, 2012, 01:31 AM
I don't think it is getting way much worse or something, it's actually the same to be honest :\ , only with some tweaks. I don't know if it's this terrible nostalgia that would make people hate the show, but I doubt, I think it's more because of the repetition. We get the exact same cycle, and it gets quite boring. But to be honest, I believe the developers are doing a good job keeping the show balanced. I can't see why people started hating it after 1st/2nd Generation. It still went on great and sometimes better.

The reason I don't agree with most people in change of the anime is that I believe it is a bit radical. We can't say for sure what restrictions are the developers under, so ideas of changing can rather be of deformation.

Plot-wise, the anime isn't excellent but it's actually the adventure that keeps me watching. A very long adventure still on going for 14 years....it's so grand!

weedle_mchairybug
May 29th, 2012, 02:45 AM
I don't think it is getting way much worse or something, it's actually the same to be honest :\ , only with some tweaks. I don't know if it's this terrible nostalgia that would make people hate the show, but I doubt, I think it's more because of the repetition. We get the exact same cycle, and it gets quite boring. But to be honest, I believe the developers are doing a good job keeping the show balanced. I can't see why people started hating it after 1st/2nd Generation. It still went on great and sometimes better.

The reason I don't agree with most people in change of the anime is that I believe it is a bit radical. We can't say for sure what restrictions are the developers under, so ideas of changing can rather be of deformation.

Plot-wise, the anime isn't excellent but it's actually the adventure that keeps me watching. A very long adventure still on going for 14 years....it's so grand!

The problem is that Ash is supposed to have a goal, so the writers should have gotten him closer to that goal, and yet given how he acted in the beginning of the BW series (he acted like a complete rookie), it makes his even having a goal pointless. Adventure or not, what's the point of having a goal if they aren't going to accomplish it anyway?

bwburke94
May 29th, 2012, 04:56 AM
I haven't watched ever since Brock left.

Kyrul
May 29th, 2012, 08:15 AM
I haven't watched ever since Brock left.

Same here. I couldn't believe they thought the show would be better with a green haired waiter...

Piks
May 31st, 2012, 09:57 PM
I don't think it is getting way much worse or something, it's actually the same to be honest :\ , only with some tweaks. I don't know if it's this terrible nostalgia that would make people hate the show, but I doubt, I think it's more because of the repetition. We get the exact same cycle, and it gets quite boring. But to be honest, I believe the developers are doing a good job keeping the show balanced. I can't see why people started hating it after 1st/2nd Generation. It still went on great and sometimes better.

The reason I don't agree with most people in change of the anime is that I believe it is a bit radical. We can't say for sure what restrictions are the developers under, so ideas of changing can rather be of deformation.

Plot-wise, the anime isn't excellent but it's actually the adventure that keeps me watching. A very long adventure still on going for 14 years....it's so grand!


Because the 1st/2nd Generation were pure epic which is the reason why an whole lot of people liked it. The 3rd/4th Generation just wasn't all that good because the new modern pokemon look plain damn terrible, also the anime went to crap when the DP series started. Atleast the BW series brought the show back to it's roots, it's really good that Ash gotten all of the starters again in the Unova region since it does add more balance to his team, i really do hope they keep this trend for him to keep getting the three starters again for the 6th Gen region aswell.

They should make a more mature anime... Yes, I know, Pokémon is aimed for kid but I'm sure that a lot of older fans would watch if they made a better anime. Or an anime based on the manga.
The first seasons were also aimed for kids, but even now I still think they are way better. At least there was a scenario, we were discovering the world of Pokémon with a great heroe, the movies were awesome (Mewtwo VS Mew <3). Now, just the fact that Ash is still here ruin a lot of things. The characters are uninteresting, and the anime is more and more childish than before.


The first seasons were actually more mature then what came after them.....Nowdays the Pokemon anime is so child like now with hardly any good plots happening, they should had stop this show after the Johto series ended.

Little Oshawott
June 1st, 2012, 01:13 AM
I Kinda agree that the Anime started to go downhill after the 1st and 2nd generation. I would of prefered it more if they followed the trainers for each of the games instead of following Ash everywhere. Also really... shouldnt Ash like in his 20's now?

Dying Light
June 4th, 2012, 09:43 AM
I haven't watched ever since Brock left.
I'd have to agree here. I saw little snippets of the new episodes, and... ugh.
Because the 1st/2nd Generation were pure epic which is the reason why an whole lot of people liked it. The 3rd/4th Generation just wasn't all that good because the new modern pokemon look plain damn terrible, also the anime went to crap when the DP series started. Atleast the BW series brought the show back to it's roots, it's really good that Ash gotten all of the starters again in the Unova region since it does add more balance to his team, i really do hope they keep this trend for him to keep getting the three starters again for the 6th Gen region aswell.




The first seasons were actually more mature then what came after them.....Nowdays the Pokemon anime is so child like now with hardly any good plots happening, they should had stop this show after the Johto series ended.
What you say here is true, especially the fact that the anime has gotten quite child-like (not like it wasn't before, it's just gotten really bad). Johto was my favorite. My most favorite point you make is that the modern Pokémon do look terrible. They have lost so much originality it's unbelievable. Although, I don't like B/W Pokémon even more than earlier generations. Black & White Pokémon are so terrible.
I Kinda agree that the Anime started to go downhill after the 1st and 2nd generation. I would of prefered it more if they followed the trainers for each of the games instead of following Ash everywhere. Also really... shouldnt Ash like in his 20's now?
Agreed. Ash is as boring as the same repetitive "fatherless kid meets old guy, gets Pokémon and beats Gym Leaders. The end.". You would think that with how long they have propelled the "Ash" idea, they'd see people get tired of it real fast.

zlip
June 4th, 2012, 05:00 PM
I agree. I thought Sinnoh was actually one of the better seasons simply because of its story arc.=, all though nowhere near as halirious as the good old originals.

B&W...were just plain bad. They made Ash look like a total loser who didn't know anyhing about pokemon, loosing to a lvl 5 Snivy despite having recently just beat a Darkrai and Latios.

I hate that Team Plasma hasn't even been shown yet (except for a small hint from Giavonni) but I totally understand and agree with why they didn't show the episodes they were spossed to be in.

With SPOILERS the addition of Melotta, a freakin Event Legendary pokemon soon to join Ash on his travels I think it will only get worse. But heres to being hopeful.

droomph
June 4th, 2012, 06:25 PM
Well, it's not getting worse...it's getting different.

Gen V, you have to remember, is a fresh start to the Pokémon Universe, much like how people thought that the reboot which was Hoenn was such a baaaaaaaad idea. But now look at us, admiring Grovyle and loving Sootopolis City <3

So to accomodate those changes in the games, they had to start over. And it made plenty of sense that Pikachu lost to a new and untrained Snivy - Zekrom had temporarily disabled its moves and weakened it, though only by power and not by health.

I love Oshawott, Tepig, Axew, and every one of their Pokémon, because they are unique in personality, much like how all his other Pokémon were! (Gliscor <3)

And Cilan is a great candidate to replace Brock, although his French connoisseur terms don't necessarily agree with my linguistic taste. But then again, the English "r" sound and the Hawaiian " ' " sound doesn't quite agree with me either ^^" so I'll have to get used to it, won't I?

And Iris, even though she's a little annoying when she says "You're just a kid!", is a great candidate to replace the would-be Hilda! Even though she's annoying when she says "You're just a kid!" constantly, I have to forgive her for the flaws that make her more human.

I don't know why - but even though Unova may be boring, I find that some episodes from the past are even worse. So it's just a matter of adjusting to the fresh new material than blaming the producers for being lazy. Besides, who are they to blame? It's not like they're required to make episodes for you~

So I wouldn't say it's getting worse, it's just getting different. And a fresh new start in perspective, though painful at first (remember every time they introduced the new Pokémon? I know I used to hate Turtwig, but now look at Twiggy my love for him c:), will give us wonderful new twists to this series that would have otherwise gone woefully stale.

redxguitar
June 5th, 2012, 12:08 PM
Almost every season, they keep reverting back Ash as a starter trainer and getting beat by some other noob rival even though Ash's pikachu should be level 100 and the rival's starter pokemon is level 5. In the Unova region, Pikachu maintains all his skills, but gets stomped by a level 5 snivy? What? Tell me if I'm wrong, but the last fight before against Snivy was against a Latios (a legendary pokemon) and Pikachu managed to tie with it.

Little Oshawott
June 5th, 2012, 12:22 PM
The only thing I really like about Pokemon Black and White is Oshawott. After all hes a cutie.

ipredict
June 19th, 2012, 09:51 AM
i never really watched the heonn and sinnoh seasons but a couple months back when i watched the the first or second episode of b&w where ash go's to Unova and Pikachu got beaten by a Snivy ( i think it was snivys first battle as well) and i was pretty disgusted considering Pikachu and ash have 14 or 15 years experience... thats when i started hated the anime + 5 gen pokemon are filth.. pokemon that resemble ice-creams and mechanical gears? and Bouffalant looks like a ugly tauros with an afro grgrr

WildEagle
June 19th, 2012, 12:46 PM
It wasn't bad, but not near as good as older episodes. I'm not trying to be " oh old pokemon was so much better", but I think it started getting worse since Sinnoh.


Not as near as good as older episodes? Sinnoh was when it turn worse? I disagree. Sinnoh saga was considered one of the best in terms of Character development, rival development and pokemon development. Ash completely matured during this season, Sinnoh was when he finally put everything together as a trainer to beat his greatest rival Paul. His rivalry with Paul beats anyone else he called rival from the past seasons, even Gary. Ash rivalry with Gary was short lived and only had 1 major battle. Ash rivalry with Paul had a great start and great ending. Ash's sinnoh team had a deep rivalry against Paul and how he thought of them as pathetic bunch. Gary or anyone else didn't have that interaction with Ash's other pokemons. Ash vs Paul League battle is up there with Ash's best league matches (vs Gary, vs Harrison, vs Drake(OI)).

The only flaws that brought down Sinnoh saga was
- The one year gap between 7th and 8th badge. (crappy filler made it worse)
- Brock and Dawn barely had interaction. Brock was stale to the max.
- Torterra was shafted for Infernape. It went from a dominating Turtwig into a winless Torterra..
- Takuto trolling with Latios.
- It wasn't as funny as previous sagas.

So no, Sinnoh saga didn't make the series worse. The older episodes had comedic value in them which is why they are deem better. Sinnoh was focused on Ash and Paul's rivalry and gym battles/League.