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Forever
June 17th, 2012, 08:13 AM
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/7/74/593Jellicent_Female_Dream.png VERSUS http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/df/609Chandelure_Dream.png

No fancy images this week because THIS ISN'T TO BE TAKEN LIGHTLY. I feel like this'll be close for some reason! :)

Hikamaru
June 17th, 2012, 08:20 AM
I love these two and it was hard to choose between them.

But Chandelure wins in the end for me due to many reasons:

Awesome offensive typing
Awesome design
Awesome Shiny colors
Shauntal's signature Pokemon
First Ghost-type I ever used on my main team
Can learn moves that counter most of its weaknesses
Extremely high Special Attack stat
Purple flames, one of the few Fire-types that isn't red or orange


I LOVE CHANDELURE.

Haneen
June 17th, 2012, 08:39 AM
Picking Chandelure was out of question for me, even though Jelli has some traits that makes it a beast. Here's why:

It's one of the few good fire types for me in this gen, besides Volcarona
The design is perfect! Jellicent, on the other hand, is very ugly
Notably high offensive stats

Chandelure is a fantastic add to the fire type pokes IMO

Flameheart7
June 17th, 2012, 08:55 AM
Chandelure already wins, because it's one of my favorite Unova Pokemon ^.^
His design is great, and has a really good movepool, in my opinion.

LapLace1500
June 17th, 2012, 08:57 AM
Well, it's hard to choose between the two. I love Jellicent mainly 'cause it's a water type and I'm crazy about water types. I love Chandelure 'cause of it's shiny form, I even have a shiny one in Black.
But, if I had to choose between the two I'd choose Chandelure. It has better stats than Jellicent, it has three evolutionary stages, not that two aren't bad but Pokemon tend to be stronger when they evolve and I agree with Hikari with the whole purple flames thing. Red and orange are so overrated :P

Forever
June 17th, 2012, 09:01 AM
Okay I think I choose Jellicent for competitive purposes. :x Mainly the fact that usually Terrakion is choiced and a ghost typing is really useful. As for Chandelure, it's outclassed by Heatran imo for general usefulness [s]although you could say typing is good for Chandelure but idk SR is pretty common and Heatran gets the bonus of not being hurt as much. n_n SO. JELLICENT FOR NOW.

HOWEVER I COULD CHANGE MY MIND SO FEEL FREE TO CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE.

Mr Cat Dog
June 17th, 2012, 09:25 AM
I do actually like both of these critters, but Chandelure takes it in a landslide for me, personally. Mainly for the reasons mentioned above by Hikari, but also because it's just so damn powerful! It has an amazing design, and awesome typing and movepool, great stats where it matters... it's an all around amazing critter, and is probably my favourite Unova Pokemon, give or take an Excadrill.

Chandelure would probably beat anything that Kaori/Nica could throw at it in one of these polls, which is a shame as Jellicent is also kinda cool. The biggest thing working against is that it is kinda slow - which is a big deal with me - and its design is... interesting, to say the least. And not in a cool way. But it can be quite good to have on a team, and its typing is also very eclectic, which is another plus. It's a shame it's going up against such a strong opponent.

But, yeah. Chandelure. Hands down.

chella182
June 17th, 2012, 10:30 AM
Chandelure wins it hands down for me, for a few reasons:

I love Fire-types
I have used both, and found Chandelure far more useful
Aesthetically, in my opinion, Chandelure = awesome, and Jellicent = creepy and weird
I already had a really good Water-type on my team (Samurott), but wanted another good Fire-type alongside my Charizard

Absol
June 17th, 2012, 11:11 AM
I like Chandelure because it reminds me of Halloween and haunted houses. Chandelure does have a much higher SpA then Jellicent. Jellicent reminds me of a huge balloon with tentacles and it doesn't look very ghost-like. Chandelure very much looks like a ghost type but at the same time it looks different from the other ghost types because of the blue-purple flames.

XtinaIsMeLuvinWWE
June 17th, 2012, 02:22 PM
I'd go with Chandelure for its fire typing and purple flames, quite a cool look imo :)

PlatinumDude
June 17th, 2012, 03:57 PM
As much as I like Jellicent for competitive purposes, I like Chandelure better because of its insanely high Special Attack. A soul-stealing chandelier is also a cool concept and I've always wanted to see a Ghost/Fire Pokemon.

phonastik
June 18th, 2012, 02:44 AM
Chandelure is flippin' awesome. I love its typing and its design. I haven't actually used Jellicent in-game, I just find better water-types before it's available, I guess. Even if the male Jellicent looks like the Pringles man.

Hikamaru
June 18th, 2012, 08:35 AM
Chandelure currently has a huge lead... and it's already early days.

I remember falling in love with this thing when I first saw it.

It's such an amazing Fire-type and it's unique among Fire-types for having the distinction of not being dominant in red and/or orange color. It's massive Special Attack was way too awesome to pass on and even though mine ended up with a Lonely nature, she still does her job well.

One thing that sets Chandelure apart from other Fire-types is the fact it gets Energy Ball in its movepool, effectively countering many of its weaknesses.

Jellicent isn't too bad but its appearance doesn't even look like a ghost. At least it has bulkiness that can take hits well and it gets some nice moves.

You know Nica, I guess I can predict the outcome of this one.

Limanya
June 18th, 2012, 09:11 AM
Jellicent has a nice design, however, it's nothing compared to some other Pokemon like Mienshao, Serperior, or.........Chandelure. Chandelure is quite hard to get as Litwick it pretty hard to train, but once it's a Chandelure you win everything.

Also Chandelure was a pain in the ass to battle...

Livewire
June 18th, 2012, 09:43 AM
Ok, good. Chandelure is winning by a lot. If it was the other way around I would have gone insane right here on this thread.

It, and Braviary, are my two favorite Unova Pokemon by far, and two of my all-time favorites.

Ephemeral Euphoria
June 18th, 2012, 10:27 AM
Chandelure for me, typing's amazing and its special attack is simply insane. That and I was hoping for a ghost/fire type for a while now not to mention its design is simple but oh so lovable.

Superjub
June 18th, 2012, 11:46 AM
Oh nooooooes! ;o; Jellicent's losing. :<

Anyway, pretty simple for me. Jellicent (more specifically the male version) is my favourite Unova Pokemon. It's design is awesome in my opinion, and it can hold it's own too, with a decent type and some decent abilities. Plus, dat mustache. :P 'tis a shame you used the female's artwork and sprite. :[

Rodriguezjames55
June 18th, 2012, 12:23 PM
Oh nooooooes! ;o; Jellicent's losing. :<

Anyway, pretty simple for me. Jellicent (more specifically the male version) is my favourite Unova Pokemon. It's design is awesome in my opinion, and it can hold it's own too, with a decent type and some decent abilities. Plus, dat mustache. :P 'tis a shame you used the female's artwork and sprite. :[
its a fat pedo jellyfish vs bad @$$ soul sucking chandelier that steals souls and would fry that pedo-fish easy win

Squirrel
June 18th, 2012, 12:31 PM
I don't like either :( But I guess I'm gonna go with Chandelure because it has an interesting typing! I know Ghost/Water is unique and stuff, but it's not really very interesting to use whereas Fire/Ghost would have a lot of unique tricks in its arsenal. Plus Jellicent looks awful imo, so Chandy kinda wins hand down x3

Reshiram Man
June 18th, 2012, 12:33 PM
Chandelure! I mean really, is that even a question?

Chandelure is so crazily powerful in Sp. Attack, that it just takes the prize.
Also, in addition, it's moveset compliments it by countering most of it's weaknesses.

#ChandelureWinsMyVote

DestinyDecade
June 18th, 2012, 12:47 PM
My vote is on Jellicent. Sure, you can disagree with me but I personally like Jellicent over Chandelure. Sure, Chandelure has some advantages but Jellicent is what suits me. Personal tastes.

Superjub
June 18th, 2012, 12:53 PM
its a fat pedo jellyfish vs bad @$$ soul sucking chandelier that steals souls and would fry that pedo-fish easy win

Jellicent sinks ships, actually. ;D Not only that, but it's hinted that it murders the crew members of the ship too. Pretty awesome in my opinion. :) Hmmm, Chandelure sucks souls? You mean with the many other ghost Pokemon. :P Plus, male Jellicent have a mustache and look like the Pringels guy, your argument is invalid. :P

Gulpin
June 18th, 2012, 12:58 PM
I like both of these Pokémon, but my vote has to go to Chandelure. My reasons for picking Chandelure are pretty much the same reasons that Hikari stated. I used Chandelure on my first run on White and it was exceptional, and it has an outstanding design. I also love its previous evolutions; the whole line is an example of outstanding Pokémon design.

Rodriguezjames55
June 18th, 2012, 03:08 PM
Jellicent sinks ships, actually. ;D Not only that, but it's hinted that it murders the crew members of the ship too. Pretty awesome in my opinion. :) Hmmm, Chandelure sucks souls? You mean with the many other ghost Pokemon. :P Plus, male Jellicent have a mustache and look like the Pringels guy, your argument is invalid. :P

i only know 3 pokemon that suck souls Shedinja Duskinor and chandelure and a mustache is your decicing factor its speed sucks i know a fire ghost would beat a water ghost look at the %

-Grayscale-
June 19th, 2012, 06:07 PM
...You're joking.

Chandelure all the way. How could a fat jellyfish even compare to it :I
One of my fav fire and ghost types <3

manutdrule
June 19th, 2012, 10:01 PM
no jellicent is losing...
its not even close

think it has something to do with choosing the female pic stead of the male lol

Aquarius1997
June 19th, 2012, 10:20 PM
^sorry but,
HOW DOES JELLICENT EVEN HAVE VOTES IMO JELLICENT IS INFERIOR TO CHANDELURE!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry had to let it out, but Chandelure is one of my top 10 pokemon

Zephele
June 20th, 2012, 12:48 PM
I've only just realised how they could be considered 'opposites' of each other regarding their typing and their stat distribution. Neat! /slowpoke

Anyway, I enjoyed using either for my team, and I think they both have really good movesets that complement their stat distribution, but if I had to choose one over the other, I guess I'd pick the more offensively-inclined Chandelure. I think what separated them for me was their designs: I like Jellicent's Pringles man look, but Chandelure simply beats it out for me in terms of seamless integration of both of its types to its haunting, and graceful design.

Jellicent♀
June 20th, 2012, 09:27 PM
Okay I think I choose Jellicent for competitive purposes. :x Mainly the fact that usually Terrakion is choiced and a ghost typing is really useful. As for Chandelure, it's outclassed by Heatran imo for general usefulness [s]although you could say typing is good for Chandelure but idk SR is pretty common and Heatran gets the bonus of not being hurt as much. n_n SO. JELLICENT FOR NOW.

HOWEVER I COULD CHANGE MY MIND SO FEEL FREE TO CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE.

-cracks neck, knuckles, and back-
Challenge accepted.

My vote obviously goes to Jellicent, especially since you put up the pink one, which I thank you VERY kindly for.
However, this isn't why I love, and am obsessed with, Jellicent, pink or blue.

Jellicent is best known as being an amazingly wall, while being able to inflict some decent damage on its enemies when done right.
For example (following information is from smogon) :

Below are just a number of damage calculations that demonstrate Jellicent's power. All calculations involving Water Spout assume rainy weather (unless stated otherwise), and Jellicent's HP is at 100%:

Water Spout vs 4 HP / 252 SpD Calm Blissey: 40.81% - 48.29%
Water Spout vs 112 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-W: 79.18% - 93.31%
Water Spout vs 4 HP / 0 SpD Latios: 68.54% - 81.13%
Water Spout vs 252 HP / 208 SpD Ferrothorn: 47.44% - 55.97%
Water Spout vs 0 HP / 0 SpD Virizion: 56.04% - 65.94%
Water Spout vs 252 HP / 0 SpD Reuniclus: 121.70% - 143.16%
Water Spout vs 28 HP / 252 SpD Calm Wobbuffet: 85.23% - 100.57%
Water Spout vs 252 HP / 192 SpD Sassy Tyranitar (Sand): 75.74% - 89.60%
Water Spout vs 252 HP / 92 SpD Ninetales (Sun): 78.86% - 93.14%
Shadow Ball vs 252 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 70.88% - 84.07%
Shadow Ball vs 220 HP / 0 SpD Celebi: 80.81% - 95.96%

This is of course a Choice Specs Jellicent with a Modest nature. Though not entirely impressive, it's able to hit many of the metagame's bit favorites pretty hard. With Water Absorb Jellicent can switch into many other Water-type attacks, practically completely shutting down a Choice-Azumarill, forcing out Heatran, and Jirachi will be under some serious pressure.


Regardless if this solidifies your choice, Jellicent will always be my jelly filled champion. <3

Sodom
June 20th, 2012, 10:00 PM
My vote also went to Jellicent, but only in its male form because it's a water type and I like my Pokemon to be the same colour as its typing :P

I love Jellicent because I love the idea of a Water/Ghost type more than I love the idea of a Fire/Ghost type. Also, in a fight Jellicent would win :P

Rivvon
June 21st, 2012, 11:30 PM
Overall I prefer Chandelure--his type and design is great! I'm also a bit biased because I feel Lampent is one of the best Pokemon names. But I also enjoy Pringles man and his great walling capabilities. Still, I have to go with Chandelure. Jellicent has trolled me far too often for me to prefer him.

vaporeon7
June 23rd, 2012, 12:41 PM
My vote went to Chandelure. I love its design and it has an awesome typing (so does Jellicent, but there are so many other water types.) Also it has such an amazing special attack, I just can't wait for Shadow Tag.

Forever
June 24th, 2012, 03:01 AM
Yeah so I decided on Jellicent since defensively it's pretty nice whereas Chandelure just isn't really. :x I lose though! :(

ANYWAY. Unstickying for new weekly poll soon. The end of round one is p soon, I think.

Hikamaru
June 24th, 2012, 03:07 AM
Well Nica, Chandelure had a big margin over Jellicent with 20 votes separating them.

Yay that I won this round cos Chandelure is one of my faves!

Mentalii
June 24th, 2012, 07:00 AM
Jellicent. It's not particularly strong, and its design is very meh, but I like the idea of such a gender difference, even if it can't be as awesome as Nidoran family's was in the first gen. And, it's a water type, knowing that I prefer this type than fire type.
Chandelure is just for me the kind of Pokémon that ruin the 5th gen. Its design isn't that bad, but, the fact that it's just a lamp is pretty ridiculous...

Altairis
June 24th, 2012, 12:50 PM
My vote goes to Jellicent. I've used both in game and Chandelure is definitely better because to me Jellicent is more of a wall, but competitively I love my Jellicent, and I just like him better <3

Sakura Rain
June 25th, 2012, 04:02 PM
Chandeluuuuure. I love its typing, I love its entire evolution line, and as soon as Shadow Tag comes out, chaos will rain down upon the metagame. or maybe they'll just ban it to ubers, idk