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DarkRisingGirl
October 19th, 2012, 05:20 PM
So I just finish watching the episode "Rocking the Virbank Gym Part 1" where Ash meets Roxie for the first time and they have their gym battle. Right before the battle, Ash pulled out his Pokedex at Roxie's "Koffing"... Why?

Ash has seen Koffing almost as much as he's seen his own Pikachu due to James always using it against him in the majority of Kanto-Johto. I understand the show now is trying to bring in younger audiences who weren't around when Pokemon first began. But for us veteran show watchers and Pokemon battlers, seeing this is kinda "Uh...what?!"

It's bad enough Ash acts and battles like it's his first time going through a region, but seeing him use a Pokedex to scan Koffing is kind of a slap to the face.

Anyone else agree or disagree?

Satoshi Ookami
October 20th, 2012, 12:36 AM
He's reseted, he wouldn't even remember Pikachu if he hadn't had that little fur ball always with him.
Probably if he had a Koffing in his storage, he would probably remember it, but he's reseted so he doesn't remember any Pokémon he has met before beside his own.
That also explains why he always gets a new Pokédex (or PokéZukan to be exact).

On the other hand, he might remember it but wants to register it to the Zukan.
Highly unlike but possibility is there.

OffRoadSP
October 20th, 2012, 06:00 AM
On the other hand, he might remember it but wants to register it to the Zukan.
Highly unlike but possibility is there.

I agree with that point. He does have a different Pokedex, so he could just be checking to see if there's any new data on it. Or, if I hadn't seen something in 10 years, I would most likely be thinking, "Hey, I better look it up to make sure I'm not forgetting anything important that might make me lose this battle."

There wasn't anything to say he *completely* didn't know a Koffing, just that he was surprised to see one in Unova.

Wobbachomp
October 21st, 2012, 03:23 PM
Does it really matter? There are millions of times where Ash has Pokedex'd Pokemon he's seen before.
I'd guess the writers do it to tell new watchers a bit about that Pokemon.

Olli
October 21st, 2012, 03:36 PM
This is not really anything new for Ash, he does it pretty much all the time. Also, do consider how long it's been since he last did battle a Koffing, so it's easy to assume that he probably dex'd it as a reminder to what kind of Pokemon Koffing was again. Now I haven't seen the episode yet myself, but I honestly don't find it weird, and it could also be for the newer watchers who didn't know which Pokemon Koffing was, but yeah. There are lots of possibilities here :p

LividZephyr
October 21st, 2012, 06:25 PM
I don't remember Ash seeing any Dogars (sorry, meme temptation) since Kanto - before James's evolved in the twenty-somethingth episode. At least I think it was like that. And I don't recall him ever scanning it... so this one is more forgivable.

The issue nowadays is that Ash is an incredibly tired character that has no steam left whatsoever due to how they are constantly recycling the same old same old. He's not an exciting character, he's had virtually no development in 750 episodes, and his brain resets every time, as does his Pikachu's level (although twice within reason, given the electromagnetic field propelled onto him by Team Rocket going to Hoenn and Zekrom stealing his electrosis in Unova, but unfortunately both of those instances were only created to justify Pikachu becoming a Weakachu once again). It's pathetic that we don't even know who Ash's father is, and his reason is still to be the very best, when he has proven time and time again that he's incompetent until he has Pokemon who deliver. Honestly, he did do great in Sinnoh - it took hacked ubers to beat him - but he still had no development.

I think him resetting every time is essentially a way to keep the show fresh to the young generation, as a new arc starts every four years or so. They don't remember the prior generation like the experts do. That's why Ash is still so pathetic.

But in all honesty, if you're going to start all over every time, why keep the same lead character? Why didn't Hoenn have Brendan and May as the main protagonists, but have Brendan be bitter rivals with Ash? Why didn't Sinnoh focus on Dawn and Lucas, with Dawn being May and Drew's contest rival? Why didn't Unova reboot things, to have a journey with Hilda, Cheren, and Bianca? They could do so much more, but they don't. It may be a kids show, but where's the coherent story? It's pointless, all thanks to the twerp named Ashley David Ketchum.

awolfsquared
October 21st, 2012, 06:26 PM
It's most likely because the writers wanted to introduce to new viewers Pokemon from older generations they may be unfamiliar with. Alot of them don't know what a Koffing is. There's also the possibility that since this was a new model Pokedex he was using that didn't have Koffing registered on it yet. Also James only had a Koffing for one season and it was a Weezing for most of Kanto and Johto. So Ash would be more familiar with a Weezing than anything.

DarkRisingGirl
October 21st, 2012, 08:32 PM
I don't remember Ash seeing any Dogars (sorry, meme temptation) since Kanto - before James's evolved in the twenty-somethingth episode. At least I think it was like that. And I don't recall him ever scanning it... so this one is more forgivable.

The issue nowadays is that Ash is an incredibly tired character that has no steam left whatsoever due to how they are constantly recycling the same old same old. He's not an exciting character, he's had virtually no development in 750 episodes, and his brain resets every time, as does his Pikachu's level (although twice within reason, given the electromagnetic field propelled onto him by Team Rocket going to Hoenn and Zekrom stealing his electrosis in Unova, but unfortunately both of those instances were only created to justify Pikachu becoming a Weakachu once again). It's pathetic that we don't even know who Ash's father is, and his reason is still to be the very best, when he has proven time and time again that he's incompetent until he has Pokemon who deliver. Honestly, he did do great in Sinnoh - it took hacked ubers to beat him - but he still had no development.

I think him resetting every time is essentially a way to keep the show fresh to the young generation, as a new arc starts every four years or so. They don't remember the prior generation like the experts do. That's why Ash is still so pathetic.

But in all honesty, if you're going to start all over every time, why keep the same lead character? Why didn't Hoenn have Brendan and May as the main protagonists, but have Brendan be bitter rivals with Ash? Why didn't Sinnoh focus on Dawn and Lucas, with Dawn being May and Drew's contest rival? Why didn't Unova reboot things, to have a journey with Hilda, Cheren, and Bianca? They could do so much more, but they don't. It may be a kids show, but where's the coherent story? It's pointless, all thanks to the twerp named Ashley David Ketchum.

I completely agree with this. You're right, Sinnoh was the best Ash has ever been. About a new arc starting every four years or so, I think it's going to happen much faster this time around(Sinnoh felt like 6 years in my opinion). Ash already has his 8th badge and the episodes coming up seem more like pointless filler episodes that's just buying time for no reason. I don't think his brain restarts every season though because if it did, he shouldn't remember Dawn and Cynthia who will appear in the upcoming episodes in the Unova Region. I Believe the "Ash Ketchum Syndrome" consists of resetting his battle smarts but not his memory of People and Pokemon. But, who knows. For some reason though, I felt a little bit of the old Ash in part 2 of his battle with Roxie. He seemed to be a bit smarter than usual.

SkullKing
October 22nd, 2012, 12:04 AM
He's reseted, he wouldn't even remember Pikachu if he hadn't had that little fur ball always with him.
Probably if he had a Koffing in his storage, he would probably remember it, but he's reseted so he doesn't remember any Pokémon he has met before beside his own.
That also explains why he always gets a new Pokédex (or PokéZukan to be exact).

On the other hand, he might remember it but wants to register it to the Zukan.
Highly unlike but possibility is there.

I completely agree with this

Volcanix769
October 28th, 2012, 11:45 AM
LOL :D I haven't even watched the newer Pokemon episodes(but some) for almost a year, but I remember when Ash at times would put up a Pokedex to at least a Pokemon he saw and interacted in my previous journeys. Really Ash!?

You traveled around 4 regions of Pokemon that you saw consecutive times over and over and now, you would take out your Pokedex and do it again. It's retarded. Like Ash is now an amateur.


The issue nowadays is that Ash is an incredibly tired character that has no steam left whatsoever due to how they are constantly recycling the same old same old. He's not an exciting character, he's had virtually no development in 750 episodes, and his brain resets every time, as does his Pikachu's level (although twice within reason, given the electromagnetic field propelled onto him by Team Rocket going to Hoenn and Zekrom stealing his electrolysis in Unova, but unfortunately both of those instances were only created to justify Pikachu becoming a Weakachu once again). It's pathetic that we don't even know who Ash's father is, and his reason is still to be the very best, when he has proven time and time again that he's incompetent until he has Pokemon who deliver. Honestly, he did do great in Sinnoh - it took hacked ubers to beat him - but he still had no development.

I think him resetting every time is essentially a way to keep the show fresh to the young generation, as a new arc starts every four years or so. They don't remember the prior generation like the experts do. That's why Ash is still so pathetic.

But in all honesty, if you're going to start all over every time, why keep the same lead character? Why didn't Hoenn have Brendan and May as the main protagonists, but have Brendan be bitter rivals with Ash? Why didn't Sinnoh focus on Dawn and Lucas, with Dawn being May and Drew's contest rival? Why didn't Unova reboot things, to have a journey with Hilda, Cheren, and Bianca? They could do so much more, but they don't. It may be a kids show, but where's the coherent story? It's pointless, all thanks to the twerp named Ashley David Ketchum.


Agreed. Even though we all know that Ash is based off of Satoshi, it's just enough. We just don't even get why they would keep the same plot and the same character. It's still unresolved and I do agree with Sinnoh, with him being good along with Johto.

And it would interesting to do an anime adaption of the manga/game characters like the one in the B2/W2 trailer, it'll give us a new feel and we get to focus on each character accomplishing their goals.

It's heavily painful to watch the same 10 year old kid explore different regions to be the best trainer but still lose, to see him reboot for no reason, and it's just somewhat unrealistic for this to happen.

Sora
November 1st, 2012, 11:15 PM
Ash using his Pokedex on a Koffing isn't as bad as him using it on a Palpitoad two episodes in a row personally. As mentioned, it's been generations since Ash has really seen a Pokemon and we have to remember the target audience. It's always going to be for kids and every generation there are different ten year olds. Yes, older audiences always complain and go on and on about Ash rebooting and always losing battles despite going to each generation and getting a reboot, but to the younger audiences not seeing him grow wouldn't be as interesting if by this time he can simply sweep every Pokemon and trainer. Where's the challenges? The growth? the things we saw in the first generation? To a lot of ten year olds, this is their first generation; sure it's still and dumb for us who are older but shouldn't the target audience be allowed to experience it (of course this could be solved by exchanging Ash out for a different protagonist but I don't think they will be getting rid of their icon character so there's really no point in thinking about it honestly.)

As mentioned, the same goes for the Pokedex. New 10 year olds, time for another Pokedex check. And with each Pokedex you kind of have to register a Pokemon again anyways; take the games for example. So really, it's not much of a big deal with Ash using it on a Pokemon he's seen before. And him being surprised about it would also be explain by seeing one in the Unova region in which other generation Pokemon are extremely rare.

Just my thoughts.

Railgun
November 3rd, 2012, 04:13 AM
We all would do it. It's like an animal you saw ages ago but forgot what it was even if you saw it a lot. Plus the viewers may not know so the pokedex is more for the kids. Its like how in Yugioh or Digimon even if they saw a creature they would still explain it for the viewers

CourageHound
November 3rd, 2012, 04:48 AM
As mentioned, the same goes for the Pokedex. New 10 year olds, time for another Pokedex check. And with each Pokedex you kind of have to register a Pokemon again anyways; take the games for example. So really, it's not much of a big deal with Ash using it on a Pokemon he's seen before. And him being surprised about it would also be explain by seeing one in the Unova region in which other generation Pokemon are extremely rare.

Just my thoughts.

Actually, remember the episode when Ash caught Tepig? Before they figured out it was a Tepig he thought it might have been umbreon. So he typed up Umbreon in the dex and the dex had all the info. Sooo he doesnt seem to need to record data :/

TheFuturePokemon
November 3rd, 2012, 06:57 AM
Maybe Ash's pokedex information transfers each time he gets an upgrade?

Niceneasy92
November 3rd, 2012, 12:33 PM
As long as there are new pokemon games that come out, theres going to be another reset for ash. That'll never change until they stop making new pokemon games, and lets face it, that's never gonna happen. lol.

Railgun
November 3rd, 2012, 01:02 PM
I would not call it a reset but more as a promo way to mix with the games. Even if you play the past gen your still starting a noob when the ext gen comes along so pretty much if Ash is a noob so are all the game players

Draco Razr
November 3rd, 2012, 03:35 PM
I would not call it a reset but more as a promo way to mix with the games. Even if you play the past gen your still starting a noob when the ext gen comes along so pretty much if Ash is a noob so are all the game players

But that is a reset if Ash's starter Pokemon (Pikachu) becomes level 5 again whenever he goes to a new region. I think people are commentating on Ash's ignorance whenever he uses his Pokedex on a Pokemon he has seen before and using moves that are ineffective against his opponent's Pokemon type. Personally i think this is to help the new viewers as they are unsure of the gameplay and strategy. Also, with a new Pokedex, you would need to record every Pokemon again.

DarkRisingGirl
November 3rd, 2012, 04:15 PM
Although it doesn't concern the Pokedex, anyone else notice the lackluster excitement in Ash's expression when he saw Dawn again in the Unova Region? Idk, I expected more out of it. But it was like he didn't really know her. It was a "Reset" type of reaction to Dawn's return. Like he never saw her before. Cynthia I could understand cause he rarely ever saw her, but Dawn traveled with him for an entire region.

Seki
November 3rd, 2012, 04:33 PM
Its probably just to give some people who never seen a Koffing before to know more about Koffing, 'cos the last time a Koffing appear, its probably when James' Koffing evolve to Weezing. You know, the anime writers are so into promoting it to kids. Ash could already be a top trainer if it wouldn't be for the writers, who also got rid of my beloved Team Rocket. :(

Mr. X
November 3rd, 2012, 11:22 PM
I've said it once before.

Whenever Ash comes back home, he always enjoys a big bowl of Stupid for breakfast.

Anyway, reset aside, I can see the point to this. We've played the games, we know that the flavor text for the pokemon change every generation. I'm willing to bet that as the non-passing years go by, the flavor text changes for the Anime as well.

Cheap copout, but hey... It's plausable.

Satoshi Ookami
November 3rd, 2012, 11:56 PM
Although it doesn't concern the Pokedex, anyone else notice the lackluster excitement in Ash's expression when he saw Dawn again in the Unova Region? Idk, I expected more out of it. But it was like he didn't really know her. It was a "Reset" type of reaction to Dawn's return. Like he never saw her before. Cynthia I could understand cause he rarely ever saw her, but Dawn traveled with him for an entire region.
Nah, that was not that bad ;) Heck, he was even kinda happy with seeing Shirona, I don't think it was that bad expresion ;)

carmelhadinosaur
November 4th, 2012, 02:42 PM
Ash checking up Piplup in the Pokedex was much more peculiar for me to be honest (three episodes later). But I repressed it.. Also, a high five in the anime seems to be worth a hug in our world. That's how it is...
He had also said 'Rat-TA-ta!'. Am I the only one to remember it as RAT-tata?

DarkRisingGirl
November 4th, 2012, 03:31 PM
Ash checking up Piplup in the Pokedex was much more peculiar for me to be honest (three episodes later). But I repressed it.. Also, a high five in the anime seems to be worth a hug in our world. That's how it is...
He had also said 'Rat-TA-ta!'. Am I the only one to remember it as RAT-tata?

OMG me and my friend was JUST talking about how it was pronounced! It was so wrong!

Yamiidenryuu
November 4th, 2012, 05:48 PM
Ash checking up Piplup in the Pokedex was much more peculiar for me to be honest (three episodes later).
... He checked it because Iris asked him to.

Khrysta
November 4th, 2012, 05:49 PM
He checks the Data of a Corphish and Buizel in a more recent episode. He owns those two Pokemon. Its just a rehash for the kiddies who started watching with this season.

Naruto200
November 5th, 2012, 08:34 AM
You know...this is kind of off topic since it's not questioning ash...but really, it's one of those lines that make me question the writers sanity....

"I'm gonna turn my frying pan" *sunglasses* "into a drying pan"
<_< Really........seriously....just...no....

Lady Marie
November 5th, 2012, 10:42 AM
The reason this also happens more in Best Wishes is basically he's the only one in the traveling group that has a Pokedex. With AG and DP, the scanning of older pokemon usually is new girl doing.

The upside is tho that at least he does know what some are so him just scanning the pokedex is mostly for the under age 10 Japan audience of the show to know what it is.

Sora
November 7th, 2012, 07:53 AM
Actually, remember the episode when Ash caught Tepig? Before they figured out it was a Tepig he thought it might have been umbreon. So he typed up Umbreon in the dex and the dex had all the info. Sooo he doesnt seem to need to record data :/
Ah, my mistake. I actually didn't watch that episode so I wouldn't have known that. Still, pulling up information into the Pokedex is still for the newest generation of 10-year olds.

... And I still believe that him using it on Koffing or past generation Pokemon is not as bad as him using it on Pokemon he used it on a few episodes before. Watching a bit more he's done it with more than just Palpitoad.

SnowpointQuincy
November 25th, 2012, 12:04 AM
What the HELL is this thing. Better use the PokeDex. "Pikachu is an Electric Type"

I want to see Ash use the Pokedex on a Pikachu. Because, you know, he needs a reminder on such rarely seen pokemon.

Sora
November 25th, 2012, 12:12 AM
Naw instead we get Shootie who uses it on Pikachu. I don't think the writers are ever going to make Ash that dumb unless he gets amnesia or something.

Also, recently he uses the Pokedex on a Roserade. A Pokemon he sees back in Sinnoh. I'm going to guess that people judged him harshly on that as well. Maybe.

SnowpointQuincy
November 26th, 2012, 09:52 AM
My biggest complain on this topic is the lazy animation of the Anime. There is a living, breathing pokemon animal on the screen moving around. And then, from the bottom of the screen, the pokedex slides up and replaces the moving picture of a pokemon with a static non-moving picture of a pokemon.

Balkoni
December 23rd, 2012, 04:26 PM
That really has to be the biggest fail I've seen in anime... And there are quite a lot of them.
The trainers not caring (most of the time) about effectiveness is what has to be the most annoying part of it, though.

I guess we have to put up with it to keep watching Pokemon...

PokéZoom
December 26th, 2012, 09:08 PM
This is nothing new, he used his PokéDex on a Charizard in Johto... Seriously, there's no point complaining and I bet a lot of younger viewers had no idea what a Koffing was.

Sora
December 27th, 2012, 04:27 AM
My biggest complain on this topic is the lazy animation of the Anime. There is a living, breathing pokemon animal on the screen moving around. And then, from the bottom of the screen, the pokedex slides up and replaces the moving picture of a pokemon with a static non-moving picture of a pokemon.
Actually the image on the Pokedex Rotates and it's not always the case as far as I know.

Also this is only my thoughts and headcanon but it seems that in some (recent) cases he does it on pokemon he's seen recently (aka Unova Pokemon) in order to remember what the Pokedex says and devise a strategy. If not then you can will probably all go nuts when he uses his Pokedex in the Unova League on Pokemon he's already seen. Also the Buizel and Corphish (I think it was Corphish) he encounters later (which I have a reason why he uses the Pokedex for them but I'm sure no one cares/will listen anyways).

Bobdapeach
January 9th, 2013, 11:41 PM
I understand the Koffing thing though.

Right now I am watching the Flower Power episode (episode 124) and Team Rocket were just coming in their disguises on some thing. and Ash is like 'i know those voices'
but in later episodes he doesn't recognize their voice i am just like why

Kyonko
February 4th, 2013, 11:29 AM
So I just finish watching the episode "Rocking the Virbank Gym Part 1" where Ash meets Roxie for the first time and they have their gym battle. Right before the battle, Ash pulled out his Pokedex at Roxie's "Koffing"... Why?

Ash has seen Koffing almost as much as he's seen his own Pikachu due to James always using it against him in the majority of Kanto-Johto. I understand the show now is trying to bring in younger audiences who weren't around when Pokemon first began. But for us veteran show watchers and Pokemon battlers, seeing this is kinda "Uh...what?!"

It's bad enough Ash acts and battles like it's his first time going through a region, but seeing him use a Pokedex to scan Koffing is kind of a slap to the face.

Anyone else agree or disagree?

I know I'm a little late to this but I watched this episode myself not too long ago and thought exactly the same thing. But as stated by others I guess the younger newer audiences wouldn't know about the James' Koffing and would be thinking 'omg look at that strange pokemon' lol

KriegStein
February 4th, 2013, 12:23 PM
I think Nintendo has made its calculations. This style:
Nintendo Boss: "pokemon gen 1=KIDS GO CRAZY and buy stuff
Gen2=same here still the same kids
Gen3=even same.
Gen4=okay things mighy not work long after this.. We need a new plan. LETS GET MORE KIDS!"
Nintendo employe:"but sir how are we going to keep new kids coming to our francise?"
Nintendo boss:"By reseting Ash! If kids loved him a decade ago as a loser they love him now and forever as a loser!"
Employe :"Great idea! And they will all buy the merchandice!"
*insert evil laughter here*

aegisrox
February 7th, 2013, 10:38 PM
Is because ash has about a new pokedex per episode, so he needs to re-update the database xD

DarkRisingGirl
February 7th, 2013, 11:03 PM
He did it again on Roserade in the newest episode.......He's seen Roserade so much in Sinnoh...Drew used it on numerous occasions....

Satoshi Ookami
February 8th, 2013, 02:02 AM
Well... what to say... he cannot remember even Pokémon that he owns so it shouldn't be surprising that he uses Pokédex to identify the Pokémon that some other characters used =)
I wouldn't be surprised if he actually used Pokédex to identify his Charizard.

DarkRisingGirl
February 8th, 2013, 03:30 AM
Well... what to say... he cannot remember even Pokémon that he owns so it shouldn't be surprising that he uses Pokédex to identify the Pokémon that some other characters used =)
I wouldn't be surprised if he actually used Pokédex to identify his Charizard.

...............If that happens....We Riot!

Zameric
February 9th, 2013, 11:14 AM
Well he did use his Pokedex to get info on a Corphish and Buizel that some other characters found, in the episode that aired today in the U.S.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b5/customizer13/ashpokedexfail_zpsfc4040d8.png

Rϵd
February 9th, 2013, 12:43 PM
Don't need to worry, he does it every time in every region.

DarkRisingGirl
February 9th, 2013, 07:09 PM
Well he did use his Pokedex to get info on a Corphish and Buizel that some other characters found, in the episode that aired today in the U.S.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b5/customizer13/ashpokedexfail_zpsfc4040d8.png

That's ridiculous. He has those Pokemon back at Oak's Lab! Does the region's pokedex say new or specific information on every Pokemon? Maybe that's why he does it...But still, it's a slap to the face.