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The Poke' Kid
October 28th, 2012, 02:05 PM
I Think they were badder in unova than any other region

They are more sucessfull in unova than any other region

Syltti
October 28th, 2012, 05:28 PM
...Team Rocket? Other than Mewtwo being created, Team Rocket was the farthest thing from "badass" until Unova. You barely see anyone but Jessie, James, and Meowth, with the rare occasions of Cassidy and Butch (and Raticate I guess) until the story in Unova takes place, which is where a bunch of Rockets start making appearances and the usual-failing trio actually attain "badass" status.

LividZephyr
October 28th, 2012, 07:07 PM
I personally think they were at their best upon their first introduction, and then after that fell flat.

In Unova, Jessie, James, and Meowth pretty much lost all of their characterization due to their sporadic appearances, and for what reason? To be more like actual villains until they got written out of the storyline?

I honestly am wondering if something big is going to happen with Team Plasma late in the arc... and they'll blow away everything Team Rocket ever did.

Charicific
October 28th, 2012, 11:43 PM
Team Rocket is suppose to play the funny part, not the badass part. I feel sad to know they have changed them all of the sudden in Unova, and hence, eliminating the only reason of their existence. If Jessie, James, and Meowth are not to be silly, stupid, and funny as they usually do then why are they still here?

I do realize they have a significance in Team Rocket's plot but...Why the trio we know? Couldn't they let other members operate while Jessie, James, and Meowth continue their never ending failure to catch Pikachu? :D

Sure, Team Rocket is getting more successful, but I no longer pay much attention to them. In previous series, all I was waiting for in each episode was Team Rocket's idiotic debut and followed by their failure xD
It's just interesting to see how they will fail this time :P

I say this again...Team Rocket SHOULDN'T be successful or plain evil, but rather clowns to smile and laugh on.

CourageHound
October 28th, 2012, 11:56 PM
I personally think they were at their best upon their first introduction, and then after that fell flat.

In Unova, Jessie, James, and Meowth pretty much lost all of their characterization due to their sporadic appearances, and for what reason? To be more like actual villains until they got written out of the storyline?

I honestly am wondering if something big is going to happen with Team Plasma late in the arc... and they'll blow away everything Team Rocket ever did.

I agree. They became much more focused, serious, evil and succsesful in unova but lost their main characterization from the other regions. Its like someone took the trio and replaced them with modified clones/robots imo. Makes me kinda dislike the "unova" team rocket...

chella182
October 29th, 2012, 09:20 AM
Definitely agreeing that they're more "bad" in Unova, in that they*'re actually doing some bad stuff, instead of just irritating Ash & co. every episode. And they seem to have more of a "plan". It's actually quite nice to see them getting some sort of "in depth" storyline. I'm currently watching Master Quest as well as keeping up with Rival Destinies, and they are SO much more irritating in the older seasons with their incessant attempts at stealing Pikachu.

*When I say "they", I mean Jessie and James. I think Team Rocket as a whole always had "bad" going on, but you never really see too much of other TR members.

Correspondence
October 29th, 2012, 12:52 PM
Definitely in Unova.Jetpacks and secret missions instead of following around some kid just to steal his Pikachu.

Kenshin5
October 29th, 2012, 02:36 PM
I never had and still don't think they are badass. They for me are just a different entity then they used to be, by now playing the role of "actual" bad guys and not just comic relief that gets irritating imo after awhile. There act was so dry by now that I didn't even want to see them; it was just try and capture Pikachu come up with a plot, think of how they are going to please the boss, make fools out of themselves and fail miserably. After all the regions we have seen them in its just stagnation on their part. We say they have lack of characterization, but what significant characterization have they really added since OG?

I like their new role, even if we don't see them often at least they utilize the time given too them. And we say they can't be successful in their missions? Why, at least it is something different and at least its not something we have already seen countless times. They could have did more with them yes, but again they could also do more with Plasma...

Rivvon
October 29th, 2012, 10:52 PM
I'm pretty sure the original question is meant to refer to Jessie and James (and Meowth), so to that I say: they are definitely far better in terms of "badness" and successfulness in Unova than in any other region. In their first few Kanto appearances, Team Rocket was pretty intimidating, but their antics got old quick, which subjected them to their comedic roles. There's nothing wrong with being funny characters/villains, but seeing a stronger Team Rocket trio is much more enjoyable to me. Ash's victories are actually satisfying again, as opposed to half-hearted and empty.

IcyIce
October 31st, 2012, 06:09 AM
I liked them in Unova the best honestly. They were more evil and not as stupid. However I did miss then parts when they teamed up with the good guys.

trapincher
October 31st, 2012, 06:55 AM
I have mixed feelings about the Team Rocket Trio. I do like that they are more badass in Unova. I miss the "old them". I was really excited when they made their first badass appearance in Unova... but you don't see much of them anymore.

Synerjee
October 31st, 2012, 06:08 PM
I find Team Rocket to be much more serious in the Unova region with all those missions and everything. I kinda like it. I miss the old Team Rocket with all their poor disguises that everyone fails to see through and impromptu attempts to steal Pikachu that always end up in failure, but the new Team Rocket has their good points as well. (Points to posts above.)

LividZephyr
October 31st, 2012, 08:52 PM
One further thing on which I must remark is how redundant Team Rocket was in the first three arcs; it was annoying to have them become so formulaic. Basically, it was wear crummy disguises and still not get recognized, catch Pikachu or some other Pokemon, recite motto, and try to make an escape in a mecha or hot air balloon.

Team Rocket needed new juice a long time ago, and they were given that in Unova, but by completely abandoning their characterization. They went from comic relief, even though they hadn't been funny in eons, to "badass" villains that had little relevance.

It really would be good to have a happy medium. Actual character development mixed with actual villainy, while still having some comic relief sequences. Ignoring them completely is a stupid idea, and that's what they ended up doing. The anime just isn't fun to watch if there isn't this medium, yet it also isn't fun to watch if every episode follows the same formula.

Of course, they seem to have been written out of the plot. I'm still curious what direction the anime is going to go in...

ShinyUmbreon189
October 31st, 2012, 09:27 PM
More badass? No. More funny? Yes. Team Rocket was never badass tho I would say in the Johto series Team Rocket had some good ideas. The whole Gyarados and Lugia thing, etc. Also the Chronicles with Jimmy Team Rocket had badass ideas to capture Raikou.

I wouldn't say Team Rocket is badass in the anime but in-game they are. Just how they tried to take things over were genious.

Hannah
November 6th, 2012, 06:33 PM
I didn't really think Team Rocket was meant to be badass. I think they were created to improve the main story plot by doing hilarious stuff.

Ash
November 7th, 2012, 07:57 AM
What I find interesting is that in the series itself they seem to be completely different people. However, we then get to the Victini movie and they're right back to how they were in basically most of the movies, if not all of them. This brought me to the conclusion that if they have a very specific goal in mind with specific steps thought up by someone else that they can actually amount to something. However, when they're just something on a whim or thinking of something completely on their own they don't think things completely. But I'm still fairly early in the unova series so I'm not sure if anything counters this logic or not.

Olli
November 7th, 2012, 09:55 AM
The Team Rocket trio have definitely had their coolest moments in Unova, since that was when they got a complete change, becoming more professionel, less kidding around, and actually creating plans with much more likeliness to succeed, and best of all, no more freaking holes! But as has aready been mentioned, they're no longer the same characters.

They may bear the same names, bodies and ranks, but all that was actually Jessie, James and Meowth has been washed out by the demands of them being less annoying and acting more as villains, rather than just showing up and wasting the episodes. And for my opinion, I really hate it. They may not have been cool in the most prominent way, but they were kind of the comic relief characters of the series, as well as they acted as part villains - part protagonists. At times they would help Ash and friends, and if it weren't for them and their crazy ideas, a lot of things would've gone differently, as well as I felt like they were really likeable before. Now all that was of the original Team Rocket just seems to have been sucked out of them, and they just remain as empty shells of a trio set on pleasing their boss in every way possible. Except now they don't have their personalities to get in the way of that, and are more or less perfect. Pffffft.

PlatinumDude
November 7th, 2012, 10:18 AM
Unova was when Team Rocket was at their best, IMO because they were a lot more serious than in the other four regions. At that time, I liked it when they blasted off with jetpacks rather than being hurled into the sky.

Elements1
November 8th, 2012, 08:48 PM
I have not watched many episodes with the Unova team rocket (I'm starting from season 1 and working my way up Im in season 5 master quest) but what I see so far is that Unova team rocket is way more "upgraded" if you will. Their technology has gone up (as well as their brains) even the new actors that play Jessie, James and Meowth sound more intelligent and evilier(that a word?). Anyway so far I like them more in Unova than anywhere else.

Seki
November 9th, 2012, 06:19 PM
Badass in Unova, comic relief in Kanto.

imevil
November 9th, 2012, 06:52 PM
I like the old rocket, a bit of immature stupid humor in every episode, it cheers you up

Detwak
November 13th, 2012, 05:42 AM
They were Great in the first few episodes in Kanto. But after that it all went down the drain. Untill Unova, where they started suceeding, wearing that black outfit was so awesome! It's just ashame they went back to the usual white outfit...

Sukisu
November 21st, 2012, 11:43 AM
It leaves a bad taste in my mouth to even try as say that Jessie, James, and Meowth are "badass" but in kanto they were better imo b/c more hilarity and "what the...." moments. So what they have become in the Unova region is just sad really.

Lifesolstice
November 21st, 2012, 12:22 PM
In my own opinion, I say it's while they are in Unova. In Kanto they were "badass", too, but Unova... jetpacks... secret underground missions..
Unova = "badass" Team Rocket.

awolfsquared
November 25th, 2012, 05:13 AM
Unova definitely. They were "badass" in the first few episode of Kanto, but soon after they weren't so much. They became comic relief characters for most of the series. Then in Unova they got jetpacks and had special missions . They no longer were just going after Pikachu. It gives alot more character and makes them cooler.

Balkoni
December 23rd, 2012, 04:28 PM
Though I miss their everyday blast-off, it is far better that they do decent plans now... Even though they keep failing to get away (I shall keep rooting for them!)

Altomare
December 25th, 2012, 04:00 AM
I liked the new team rocket more... they have actual plans and started chasing something other than some kid's pikachu.

Solacen
January 1st, 2013, 02:34 AM
I think TR has definitely gotten more successful in Unova although i think they might have gotten from one extreme to the other. They went from complete failures, that did nothing but provide comic relief and give reasons for some of Ash and co's pokemon to evolve(or trust them more) , to just plain evil (meowth by far with the way he tricked them for quite awhile just to betray them) and lacking in personality. How on earth did James go from oversensitive and loving of his pokemon to how he is in Unova? Did Giovanni have them mentally 'conditioned' after Sinnoh?

Personally i would rather see some mix of how they were in Sinnow / hoenn and Unova. Actually having their personalities back but suceeding sometimes by not always chasing pikachu.

Hiroshi Sotomura
January 3rd, 2013, 07:38 PM
The producers have been taking note! It's back to zany dress ups, Meowth balloons and catching Pikachu! Of course, the producers were listening to Japan. Listening to the Westerners about a "serious" Team Rocket was a baaaaaaaaad idea.

I'm of the opinion that the issues most have with Team Rocket are to do with how they're dubbed. I mean, it's not like they didn't get the stupidest lines when TPCi took responsibility for the dubbing (sarcasm aside, they got worse, and so did their motto). And for a lot of viewers,

Could you imagine the present-day Jessie participating with heart in the Grand Festival like she did in Sinnoh, where she was so personable, and every other day a nutjob? Nope, they took her personality away and made her deep and serious. What about James and his bottlecaps? That man who prowls around being competent does not look like a man obsessed with cute things and bottle caps.

Meowth manages to take the show when he was "kicked out of Team Rocket" in Unova, though. His "competent" buds might have had their personalities sucked out of them, but look who clearly still had them - he was the target of gags throughout that entire arc - and then he was just plain again.

Honestly, some people seem to have just gotten sick of their antics, and now that they're out, what do we have? Nothing.

Until Episode N.

Thomas Wiencek
January 11th, 2013, 09:35 AM
Excuse, me. The title of this thread that you posted should never contain any foul languages at all, because it's inappropriate for kids. Won't you please read the rules that you should follow?

thjenvuongxh
January 14th, 2013, 05:57 AM
Well...Mewtwo,Jessie,and James are serious now in Unova Region...

Guy
January 14th, 2013, 08:54 AM
At the beginning of Unova, I was excited for Team Rocket's new arc. However, their darker more mysterious antics began to feel stale and there was just no real reason to feel or care for what they were up to. Even though I was glad, and still am, that their attempts at stealing Pikachu and blasting off [again] had been retired, I missed their personalities. The anime may be targeted at a younger audience, but I feel like the writers and producers could have done a whole lot more with Team Rocket to balance their darker tones with the characters we knew them to be. If they had done that, then I feel like their attempt at a newer Team Rocket could have had more success and not be left with mixed feelings.

Hearing that the old, goofy, fail-at-everything Team Rocket will be back in Episode N doesn't make me feel too content though. I may have felt like Team Rocket's evil schemes may have gotten stale, but I'm not really ready to go back to their old ways entirely. I'd just prefer more of a balance. I felt like the very first couple of episodes of the Original Kanto series had done that well from what I remember.

Piks
January 14th, 2013, 11:10 AM
The OS & BW series Team Rocket will always be the best.

PlatinumDude
January 14th, 2013, 11:44 AM
Team Rocket was at their best in Unova, IMO, since they took their job a lot more seriously compared to other regions.

Starry Windy
January 16th, 2013, 11:25 PM
I think Team Rocket is more serious and full of dedication to their boss when they're in Unova region. And IMO I currently prefer them to blasting off as they fly with jets professionally rather than blasting off awkwardly like in other regions, even though this time, that awkward blasting off returns again in Episode N.

digimonqueen
January 17th, 2013, 05:00 PM
TOTALLY Unova. have u see the latest episodes!?!? they're planning to catch "Ash's" Meloetta! and Ash doesn't even know. i was seething with rage when i heard what they were planning to do to it. i mean, all it wants is to stay with Ash. i can't BELIEVE Team Rocket would go this far. i bet Ash is gonna lose it completely.

roosterman
January 30th, 2013, 07:58 PM
i haven't seen much of unova but they seemed pretty cool, in their new black costumes and all. and giovanni was actually taking them seriously. in sinnoh meowth with his "fury swipes of love" were pretty cool. other then that, unova without a doubt.

Sweets Witch
January 30th, 2013, 08:32 PM
Team Rocket's change was certainly nice since their regular routine was getting a bit stale, but I much prefer them when they're not doing anything Team Rocket-based at all like selling stuff or entering Contests. They're not bad people at heart.

NiallC
February 21st, 2013, 10:45 AM
I think their introduction in Kanto was great, the way it was thundering and lightning made it all seem scarier to have them there but then when they would start attacking in every episode they lost their threatening status which is what I liked in Unova how when they were shown it was always in dark, dingy tunnels or someplace at night. They brought back the fear and made them seem like real criminals, between important events that the group took part in it was TR's planning that would make me watch each episode to find out more which is something I've not felt with Pokemon for a long time. I think that the use of more rivals has certainly lessened the pressure on TR to be comedic so they could become dangerous again whilst Stephan and Bianca were providing the comedy. In every other region Ash has only ever had one major rival so TR were needed to be funny almost every episode.

Dragooncroft
February 22nd, 2013, 07:09 PM
Poor Jessie, James, and Meowth! I always thought their purpose was to add humor in their constant failing attempts to steal Pikachu. To be honest, that's how I feel it should be. I always thought, though, wouldn't it be nice for them to win just once? I mean, not stealing Pikachu, but catching an epic Pokemon for their "boss". Poor team rocket (again):D

stp
February 22nd, 2013, 07:14 PM
I feel like Team Rocket is there for irony since Pikachu really isn't that exceptional at all.

But yeah, they were way cooler in Kanto and Johto.

StinkomanFan
February 22nd, 2013, 07:23 PM
Ah Team Rocket. Jesse, James, and Meowth were the true heroes of Pokemon, constantly going up against impossible odds for acceptance from their peers. Way back when Team Rocket were THE reason to watch Pokemon, they were the ones who had character development and learned lessons. Yet, after everything they go through you just WANT to see them win. The fact those three continued to be so influential where other villains came and went should show you how well the Underdog status goes for on both sides of good and evil.

Dragooncroft
February 22nd, 2013, 07:45 PM
Well, to be honest, they were the reason he won many of his badges in Kanto. It's because they kept causing problems, and in pursuit of helping defeat them and "saving the gym", he earns the badge.

WishCookie
February 23rd, 2013, 01:15 AM
Well, I'm kind off happy that they're actually able to almost get their plans right but I still wish that they all for once are actually being able to catch Pikachu and get away with it for like 1-3 episodes. I would like to see what happens and what Team Rocket actually would do with Pikachu but I still miss the old Team Rocket from Kanto - Hoenn. In other words, I want them to win for once, I'm just getting a bit annoyed by Ashe and that he always wins, even if he is one of the main characters.

Elaitenstile
February 23rd, 2013, 05:10 AM
The new Team Rocket has more definition. They're more stylish, planning and secretive. They're more like agents of an evil company than the usual bad guys. In fact, they ruin their own definition of fun. So because of nostalgia, and because the old Team Rocket motto was way more epic, I'll vote Kanto.

LHT
February 28th, 2013, 04:10 PM
I liked the dark Team Rocket in the beginning, but I prefer more of a balance between the comic side and the dark side of them, like in the beginning of Kanto for example.
I seriously hate that they are coming back to their comic side though.

Stevemagegod
March 11th, 2013, 07:02 PM
I think TR was more bad ass in the Johto Region.

Aquacorde
March 11th, 2013, 11:14 PM
I think they've found the right level of badass for the TRio in Episode N. They're getting back to their old selves, but they're actually a decent threat to Satoshi-tachi. I mean we all know Satoshi's going to win, right, and the TRio might get blasted off- but maybe not! who knows! And it's still a struggle for Satoshi-tachi to come out victorious! And their plans are new and improved and different! I'm really enjoying their current approach. And hopefully we'll get more TRio side-plots as things go on. :D They must be doing other things besides follow Satoshi around. Other interesting things, even. And being competent and establishing Rocket control in Isshu and getting in Plasma's way and actually I'm really hoping they get to do even more cool things as Episode N goes on.

Er, so, yeah. The TRio are at a very good stage of badass right now. I hope it will be expanded upon.

The_Consumer
March 13th, 2013, 10:15 AM
I like the trio from Team Rocket in Mewtwo Strikes Back, especially during the Viking part xD

I haven't watched the Unova season so I have no idea about that part :P

The trio is more amusing than anything though :) Not sure about Team Rocket itself. Probably the most brutal during Kanto episodes...

Alakazam17
March 16th, 2013, 07:08 AM
I love that Team Rocket is not in every episode anymore. That bit annoyed me to no end during the first decade or so of episodes. I enjoy the anime so much more because less of it is filled with "Rocket Filler." And when Jesse, James, and Meowth do appear, their roles are much more part of the story.

The only criticism I have is that it happened so suddenly. They went from whimsical "we're blasting off again!" villains to the darker style that they seem to have now, in just one episode. xD

Treble Harble
March 17th, 2013, 10:51 AM
^ This.

But anyway, Team Rocket did get more BA in Unova. They were in the show less and thus became more BA. They were kind of pathetic in Kanto, Jotho, Hoenn and Sinnoh but not in Unova. Sad news is they are goofy again. They weren't BA for long.

The Amazing Justin
March 17th, 2013, 05:15 PM
Kanto they were okay. Johto they weren't that good. Hoenn and Sinnoh they were abysmal. However, the group's antics in the earlier part of Unova definitely was good.

Darthbane2007
March 18th, 2013, 07:39 AM
To me, I wished we got this Badass Team Rocket way back in Johto...

alienhunterx
April 2nd, 2013, 11:44 PM
They are currently the much better Bad Ass in the Unova season. But after that Meleotta event their uniforms changed and they now suck in their older uniforms.