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Maximondo
March 1st, 2013, 11:54 PM
Does anyone here watch wwe? If so what are your predictions and/or dream cards for the upcoming ppv, Wrestle Mania 29

Also before some idiot starts ranting and raving, yes i know its fake.

shenanigans
March 2nd, 2013, 03:48 AM
I think I remember seeing a thread like this in GE a while back but I'll be damned if I can find it now. So, moving this over there since that's probably what it's better suited to!

Honest
March 2nd, 2013, 06:10 AM
The people here are more mature than you'd think, so don't worry about the haters.

That being said, I'm a HUGE WWE fan, and I'll definitely be watching Wrestlemania 29. Hell, if I had the money and time, I'd even have gone to seen it, Metlife Stadium is barely an hour's drive by car.

As for my predictions, they're:

-Cena over Rock for the title; this was pretty much confirmed when Cena lost last year.
-Del Rio over Swagger for the title; Swagger's DUI and possession charge is definitely going to be a factor into the loss. I wouldn't be surprised if they went with the 18 second match again.
-Ziggler over Del Rio for the title; Come on. The "Show Off" is definitely cashing in his case in Mania
-Undertaker over Punk; hasn't been confirmed yet, but I'll be damned if this match doesn't happened. With Taker returning at a house show and Punk's promo on Monday, it's definitely going to, though. And of course, the streak lives on. I really do want Punk to win this one, though. He's lost way too many high profile matches lately.

As for matches that I'm less sure will happen:

-Antonio Cesaro vs The Miz for the USA title; If this happens, Cesaro will definitely retain. The dude is WAY to good.
-Shield vs ???; Probably Sheamus, Orton, and someone else. Shield will win, and Orton will hopefully turn heel.


That's my predictions. I'd love for them to have a Money in the Bank match, though, I loved it when it was Mania exclusive.

Maximondo
March 2nd, 2013, 08:42 PM
The people here are more mature than you'd think, so don't worry about the haters.

That being said, I'm a HUGE WWE fan, and I'll definitely be watching Wrestlemania 29. Hell, if I had the money and time, I'd even have gone to seen it, Metlife Stadium is barely an hour's drive by car.

As for my predictions, they're:

-Cena over Rock for the title; this was pretty much confirmed when Cena lost last year.
-Del Rio over Swagger for the title; Swagger's DUI and possession charge is definitely going to be a factor into the loss. I wouldn't be surprised if they went with the 18 second match again.
-Ziggler over Del Rio for the title; Come on. The "Show Off" is definitely cashing in his case in Mania
-Undertaker over Punk; hasn't been confirmed yet, but I'll be damned if this match doesn't happened. With Taker returning at a house show and Punk's promo on Monday, it's definitely going to, though. And of course, the streak lives on. I really do want Punk to win this one, though. He's lost way too many high profile matches lately.

As for matches that I'm less sure will happen:

-Antonio Cesaro vs The Miz for the USA title; If this happens, Cesaro will definitely retain. The dude is WAY to good.
-Shield vs ???; Probably Sheamus, Orton, and someone else. Shield will win, and Orton will hopefully turn heel.


That's my predictions. I'd love for them to have a Money in the Bank match, though, I loved it when it was Mania exclusive.


I really want Shelton Benjamin to return and cut a great promo and bring miab back to wrestlemania, But we bascially have the same predictions.

I'm just hoping The shield wins at mania....

Honest
March 3rd, 2013, 10:02 AM
I don't he'll be coming back, but I don't think he'll bring MiTB back to Mania. The PPV of the same name is fine.

Same, they're been an unstoppable force. Ambrose and Rollins are amazing, and Reigns has really improved. They've got a bright career in the business to look forward to.

JayD
March 3rd, 2013, 10:18 AM
Cena Vs. Rock -> I would say... Cena will win this one? The Rock is really the most electrifying man in sports entertainment but Cena is way more popular with today's fanbase.

Undertaker -> Not sure if he'll be doing a match this year, but I'm pretty sure he's going to. Because what's the point of his return a few weeks before Wrestlemania? ;)

Del Rio Vs. Swagger -> I hope Swagger wins, never really was a fan of Del Rio. Swagger has great potential too.

That's what I got for now.

gimmepie
March 3rd, 2013, 10:36 AM
I'm not really that big of a wrestling fan but I do sometimes catch it. This is what I have to say on the matter. Correct me if something I say doesn't add up.

-Cena over Rock
-Ziggler over Cena after would be one hell of a twist but won't happen. Shame really.

-Del Rio over Swagger
-Nobody likes either. But I doubt they'll give the anti-immigration guy the win.

-Undertaker over anyone and everyone
-The streak will never die, lets keep it that way.

Sheamus, Orton, Rhybak (?) over Shield
-Or is Rhyback doing something else these days?

and also, is Tripple H v Lesnar happening? If so
-Tripple H over Lesnar

JayD
March 3rd, 2013, 10:40 AM
The thing about Undertaker's streak is that we never know when if WWE is planning on keeping the streak or breaking it. So every match he does that involves his streak always keeps me on the edge of my seat until the bell as rung and a winner as been declared.

Maximondo
March 3rd, 2013, 11:49 PM
The thing about Undertaker's streak is that we never know when if WWE is planning on keeping the streak or breaking it. So every match he does that involves his streak always keeps me on the edge of my seat until the bell as rung and a winner as been declared.

I have always loved to atticepation before the taker matches, he puts on a spectacle every single year. One of the actual main reasons i watch wrestlemania is to just see him put his heart into everything.

Osiris
March 4th, 2013, 01:46 AM
I'm usually excited every year on the Road to Wrestlemania, but for some reason this year isn't doing it for me. Most of the matches that have been announced/all but confirmed have pretty predictable outcomes (Cena beating The Rock, Del Rio beating Swagger then Ziggler cashing in, CM Punk losing to Undertaker...). The only likely match to this point that I'm not so sure about is HHH vs. Lesnar, since either guy winning it would make sense.

What I think I'm more interested in is the undercard, with guys like Cesaro, Jericho, Ryback, Bryan/Kane and The Shield yet to be booked into any matches. Granted, all these guys could be thrown into predictable matches too (Shield vs. Ryback/Bryan/Kane, Jericho vs. Ziggler, Cesaro vs. Miz), but I expect all these guys to bring their A game to Mania, so they should be fun to watch either way.

Honest
March 6th, 2013, 02:12 PM
Oh no. Did you guys hear, Paul Bearer passed away. :c

I didn't watch WWE back when Bearer and Undertaker had their run, but from the pieces that I've seen, the man was truly a legend. A behemoth of a manager and he was really good at his job. He did yesterday apparently.

That being said, I feel like Paul should be inducted to the Hall of Fame this year. The man totally deserves it.

Rest in Peace, Paul Bearer. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh yesssssssssss

Maximondo
March 9th, 2013, 12:25 AM
Oh no. Did you guys hear, Paul Bearer passed away. :c

I didn't watch WWE back when Bearer and Undertaker had their run, but from the pieces that I've seen, the man was truly a legend. A behemoth of a manager and he was really good at his job. He did yesterday apparently.

That being said, I feel like Paul should be inducted to the Hall of Fame this year. The man totally deserves it.

Rest in Peace, Paul Bearer. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh yesssssssssss

Without a doubt he should be inducted, true legend.

JayD
March 9th, 2013, 07:29 AM
Yes, Paul Bearer should be inducted as a hall of famer. His time in WWF was very memorable, we'll always remember him as the one with the urn to control The Undertaker.

Hey.. why not make a WWE fan club?

Seth Rollins
March 9th, 2013, 08:06 AM
ORTON HEEL. ORTON HEEL. LEGEND KILLER BACK, MY FAVORITE WRESTLER. Aww, ik das not happening. (legend killer returning)

Shield over orton, ryback and sheamus. ORTON HEEL >>>>>>>>>> EVERY ROSTER THIS YEAR (Undertaker does not count.)

Taker over someone. I don want taker to lose his streak.

Cena over Rock. (dream card) Damn I hope this is not happening. As much as I hate Cena, well, you know, he's super Cena so probably will win. Btw, if this happens I'm going to stop watching WWE. Cena already won too many titles and I hate PG;;;;;; if the VG or Attitude (impossible :c) era returns, I will return watching WWE.

Del Rio over Swagger. Well, I hate Swagger lol.

Paul Bearer to hall of fame. Oh yessssssssssssssssssssss

Btw, did you guys heard that Punk will leave soon? Just a rumor.

@Liljz: Great idea gonna make one.

JayD
March 9th, 2013, 08:59 AM
So does anyone know who is The Undertaker is gonna be facing this year? If they already announced it, I don't know about it since I don't really have any way of watching the show anymore =S

Honest
March 9th, 2013, 10:09 AM
Undertaker's going to face Punk at Mania, it's been confirmed for about a week now. I think WWE is going to leave the streak intact, but I read an article on how breaking the streak to Punk wouldn't be a bad thing for Taker, and I have to admit, it makes a lot of sense. If anyone deserves to break the streak, it's Punk. And let's face it. This is most likely Undertaker's last match.

Also, about the WWE club, I actually had made one, but it died out around a month ago due to inactivity. I'd go ahead and recreate it, but my hands are full with another club, so feel free to try. Just make sure you're a good host etc etc.

JayD
March 9th, 2013, 10:13 AM
I really hope Undertaker keeps his streak and it will live on until his retirement. The Undertaker has probably been the greatest asset that WWE ever had. Also Punk winning over Undertaker? I still can't get it through my head that that would ever happen >.<

Renpuu
March 9th, 2013, 10:28 AM
When The Undertaker streak ends, that is when he will retire. HBK lost twice to The Undertaker to then retire. Triple H is already rumoring retirement, but his contract is apparently longer till 2014. That doesn't mean however that he will wrestle all the time and instead may take a "back stage" role.
Personally I am not a fan of most of the wrestlers today, right now I feel that most of the good wrestlers have retired. The only wrestlers that I like to watch on the WWE roster is The Rock, Chris Jericho and Kane.
Bret Hart said that Cena could never become a heel and that's why fans are tired of Cena always being a "good guy" or "baby-face" as it's known in the industry.
I have a bad feeling that Cena will beat The Rock to try and push the WWE brand with Cena more since he is "slipping" but I doubt fans will enjoy Cena being the champ.
If anything I'd like to see Chris Jericho win the Heavyweight Championship if it's possible !

Seth Rollins
March 9th, 2013, 11:54 AM
I...changed my mind. I don't think I will create the club cos I don't know how to do those CSS codes like some clubs. I'll leave it to you, Liljz, it's your idea after all :p Oh and there is a possibility that I will stop watching if Cena wins

And Dipu is right, I hate Punk but, he's going to leave soon (I don't know if that's true.) Well I don't want Punk to win. I'm with Taker but Ounk deserves it...I guess. No, what about a tie? What if they both break the ring and...well, tie?

Osiris
March 10th, 2013, 01:02 AM
Eh, I think if there was a tie, there'd be a lot of unhappy fans. Not just those that ordered the PPV, but imagine spending a thousand dollars on a ticket, just to see a no contest. Plus, Punk/Taker won't even be the main event, so collapsing the ring won't be an option.

As for Punk leaving, it won't be right away (probably late 2014), but there isn't any benefit to him by ending the streak, since he'll still be playing second fiddle to John Cena, no matter what anyone says. Granted, it would go down as one of, if not, the biggest win in WWE history, but if Randy Orton couldn't break the streak heading into the prime of his career, no one should.

As for a new club, it might work, but there were really only 3-4 of us really active in it, so I don't know how well it would go if we tried again. It might almost be better if this thread were turned into a general pro wrestling thread, so it can stay active even after Wrestlemania passes.

JayD
March 10th, 2013, 01:24 PM
But 3 or 4 persons talking about Wrestling is still a good club :)

Aww Red, I already got a Naruto club, you don't need to know CSS to make a good club :]
My Naruto fan club doesn't use CSS :)

I'm really not a fan of the newer wrestlers.. I'm not being a hipster or anything... none of them just seems to catch my eye or anything.
I really hope The Undertaker takes his winning streak with him until his retirement, he's the deadman after all, that streak is something that should be marked in the WWE as something the best wrestler in the business did.

Honest
March 12th, 2013, 03:52 PM
If Punk is leaving (which I have not heard about, by the way) it's definitely late next year, if not even later. And I disagree, Punk does have quite a lot to gain from beating the streak. Punk's only had one true career defining moment so far that'll go down in history, and that's his 400+ title reign as champion. But he still lost the title in the end (that'll end up on Cena). For comparison's sake, Cena's a 10 time world champion, a record. And he'll definitely become an 11 time champion, extending his own record. For Punk to snap the streak will embroider his career with gold, catapulting him into the caliber of legends, assuming he isn't one already. Think about it, 20 times the deadman's been undefeated. That person who breaks that streak will go down in history, permanently. There's no better person to receive something like that other than the man who's been on a roll for over a year, but lost his title belt that he extended to a record length in the modern era except Punk.

As for why Randy didn't snap the streak, that's simple, and you said it yourself. He was entering his prime. Punk is well passed his prime, but I don't believe he's been solidified yet. He's proven it, though, that he deserves to. Randy was still testing waters. Not to call him a lose canon, but you don't know where he would go in a few years. Also, if I remember right, he definitely wasn't as popular back then as Punk is now.


In the end, though, the man this all comes down to is The Undertaker himself. I believe McMahon will let Taker choose how he wants to go out. For the record, 20-1 sounds a lot better than 21-0. Just saying.


Also, I guess we could totally turn this into general wrestling thread. I remember there was one back in 2010, and it was quite popular, and much more active compared to the club that was mine.

JayD
March 12th, 2013, 04:27 PM
I'm actually rooting the the Deadman himself :P
He's my favorite wrestler. The day he'll retire is the day my interest in WWE will plummet hard :[

Honest
March 14th, 2013, 04:03 PM
Well, he's practically retired as it is. One match a year isn't exactly going to work on a constant basis. Not to take anything away from the deadman, that one match has turned out amazing every year since the habit began.

JayD
March 14th, 2013, 04:13 PM
When I meant by retired, I meant he stops wrestling completely :P

Osiris
April 2nd, 2013, 09:57 PM
So with Wrestlemania less than a week away, and the full line-up announced, I was wondering what everyone else's predictions for the PPV were. I'm a little bit disappointed that Antonio Cesaro doesn't even have a scheduled match, but with an hour-long pre show, it wouldn't surprise me if they throw him in a random title defense against Kofi Kingston or R-Truth. Aside from that, my predictions (with the entire schedule) are included below.


Intercontinental Championship
Wade Barrett © vs. The Miz

Really disappointing to see two guys who were at the top of the food chain only a few months before Wrestlemania 27 be relegated to the preshow of 29. In my opinion, The Miz doesn't really benefit from winning this match, as he's still got MizTV and commentator duties on Main Event to get over, whereas Barrett would just get lost in the shuffle if he were to lose. Something, though, makes me believe that in spite of all that, The Miz will still pick up the victory, and they'll continue feuding for the next month or two.


WWE Tag Team Championship
Team Hell No © vs. Dolph Ziggler & Big E Langston

This is one of the matches that I think could dictate an outcome later on in the show. In my mind, I can see one of two scenarios unfolding in this match. The first, is that Daniel Bryan and Kane's differences finally start to get to them, and it ends up costing them their titles, leading to a feud between the two. The other is that Daniel Bryan and Kane still get in each other's way, but just manage to coexist long enough to retain, and eventually lose the belts to the Primetime Players down the road. If the second scenario occurs, I see it setting for to Dolph Ziggler cash in his Money in the Bank on Del Rio, and become the new World Heavyweight Champion in his second match of the night (a road similar to that of Hulk Hogan at Wrestlemania IX). However, I expect that the first scenario is what we'll see, and Dolph Ziggler and Big E Langston will be crowned the new Tag Team Champions.


Singles Match
Ryback vs. Mark Henry

I don't expect this match to go very long, but I think that it'll be Ryback coming out with the victory. With Mark Henry on the tail end of his career, this would be a huge (literally) win for Ryback. I just hope that he can manage to pull the Shell Shock off on Henry, and not mess it up like he did to Tensai a couple months back.


World Heavyweight Championship
Alberto Del Rio © vs. Jack Swagger

I'm going into this match assuming that Ziggler won the Tag Team Title earlier in the night, and won't show up after this match.

I think that this'll be an entertaining match, and could quite possibly be one of the matches of the night (similar to Punk vs. Jericho last year). I think that we'll be in for lots of submission attempts and close calls, but I can see Alberto Del Rio retaining in a hard-fought defense, possibly thanks to Zeb Colter accidentally distracting Swagger. I don't see this being the end of their feud, but I don't think Jack Swagger would we rewarded with a title win at Wrestlemania, especially after his arrest last month.


Singles Match
Chris Jericho vs. Fandango

I'm a big fan of Chris Jericho, but to go from facing Punk last year to a "debuting" Faaannndddaaannngggooo this year is a huge step back. While I think that this'll be a good place for Johnny Curtis Fandango to show off his skills, I don't expect to be too excited about this match. With Jericho saying he'd mostly come back to put over younger talent, I expect Fandango to pick up the victory.


Six-Man Tag Team Match
Randy Orton, Sheamus & Big Show vs. The Shield

What The Shield is doing is exactly what Nexus should've done back in 2010- dominate against the main eventers of the WWE. While I would really love to see The Shield win by their own accord, I expect either Orton or Big Show (or both) to walk out on their partner(s), leaving The Shield with the advantage, and the victory.


No Holds Barred Match
Triple H (with Shawn Michaels) vs. Brock Lesnar

Just like the Tag Team Championship match earlier in the night, I expect the outcome of this match will directly affect a match later in the evening. Again, I have two scenarios in my head that I think are the likely outcomes, both of which are the result of an all out war between the two. In option A, Triple H gets his revenge against Lesnar, setting up for an on and off feud that eventually leads to a tie-breaker match at either Summerslam, Royal Rumble or Wrestlemania 30. In option B, Shawn Michaels actually proves to be a distraction for Triple H rather than helping him, and Brock is able to win the match and end Triple H's career. After this, Brock would make it clear that he wants to go after the WWE Championship.

Just like I was a month ago, I'm still not 100% sure what will happen. Based on Triple H's past, I would say that there's no way he hangs up the boots right now. But the other part of me thinks that he realizes how much work he has cut out for him on the corporate side, and that it's more important than his in-ring career. In the end, I'll say that Brock Lesnar picks up the win in a very entertaining match, leading to an emotional goodbye from Triple H with Shawn by his side.


Eight-Person Mixed Tag Team Match
Tons of Funk & The Funkadactyls vs. Team Rhodes Scolars & The Bella Twins

If this predicted line-up does in fact go in this order, you can bet that no one will even care about this match, and it'll be used as the bathroom/concession break before the co-main events. This will likely be a two or three minute filler with longer entrances than actual wrestling (thanks to the Diddy performance, I'm sure), and I completely expect Brodus, Tensai, Cameron and Naomi to get the victory in a lackluster match.


Singles Match
The Undertaker vs. CM Punk

This is the match that I'm the most excited for, and if I had my way, it'd be the true main event of the evening. If Undertaker is in shape similar to that of last year's Hell in a Cell match, I think this could easily be a 5-star classic. I fully expect that they'll throw everything in their arsenal at each other, and in Punk's case, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a Chokeslam/Tombstone/Hell's Gate attempt out of him.

I think one of the interesting points that Punk made on this past Raw was that we wasn't past trying to get The Undertaker disqualified, thus ending his streak. I expect this to be one of the main focal points of the match, culminating to Undertaker very nearly hitting Punk with the Urn. At the last second, he realizes what nearly happened, and in that moment of weakness, Punk will hit the GTS. Something tells me that Punk wouldn't be satisfied winning the match right there, and in an attempt to prove that he's the best in the world, he tries going for one more, leading to a reversal by the Undertaker by hitting a Tombstone for the victory. In what I believe will be his final match, The Undertaker will extend his streak to 21-0, leading to the rumored hiatus of CM Punk.


WWE Championship
The Rock © vs. John Cena

Twice in a lifetime. For as big of a deal as they're making this match, I only care about it slightly more than the Jericho-Fandango match. Don't get me wrong, it'll be a pretty good match that likely goes 30+ minutes, but with Cena's character being as stale as 8-year old bread, I just can't find myself invested in this feud.

I expect that this match will have a flow very similar to last year, where they both spend a good amount of time feeding off the crowd before they actually get down to business. It definitely won't be a classic match like I expect Punk-Undertaker to be, but I think we'll see a very even, back-and-forth between the two, with many failed finisher attempts between them. With some speculation that Rock might be sticking around until Extreme Rules, I'm holding on to the glimmer of hope that he walks away with the win, but I just can't see it. With Cena continually making reference to the fact that the Rock's time is up and his time is now (despite it being his time since early 2005), I expect John Cena finally gets the year old monkey off his back and wins the WWE Championship.

On a side note- if Rocky somehow does pull this one out of the hat, we might very well see a Rock/Brock match at Extreme Rules. In concept sounds good (and it should lead to some good PPV sales), but could have the potential to be a train wreck between two part-timers.

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If that was tl;dr, my quick results are:

The Miz d. Wade Barrett
Ziggler & Langston d. Team Hell No
Ryback d. Mark Henry
Del Rio d. Swagger
Fandango d. Jericho
Shield d. Orton/Sheamus/Barrett
Brock Lesnar d. Triple H
Brodus/Tensai/Cameron/Naomi d. Sandow/Rhodes/Bellas
Undertaker d. CM Punk
John Cena d. The Rock

Seth Rollins
April 26th, 2013, 06:12 PM
As for why Randy didn't snap the streak, that's simple, and you said it yourself. He was entering his prime. Punk is well passed his prime, but I don't believe he's been solidified yet. He's proven it, though, that he deserves to. Randy was still testing waters. Not to call him a lose canon, but you don't know where he would go in a few years. Also, if I remember right, he definitely wasn't as popular back then as Punk is now.

Sad. Just...sad. D: Dude ofc Randy wasnt popular as Punk is now, he just holded the title for quite a while 1 year and a few months will sure grow your popularity. But when Punk lost his title no one i know even cares for him. As for what you said about "Randy cant win Taker" its true, but Punk cant do it even if he has 1000 sidekicks. So cant Randy. What your expecting, ofc he will lose aainst Taker, AT WRESTLEMANIA. Well you know defeating Taker 2 or 3 times not in Wrestlemania is not bad. Punk couldnt beat Taker even once, he defeated him once but Teddy Long cheated to help Punk. I understand Bob Orton helping Randy is basically the same thing but lmao Bob wasnt such a help for Randy, well imo. Plus I LAUGHED SO MUCH WHEN TEDDY SAID THAT UNDERTAKER TAPPED OUT AGAINST PUNK.

Honest
April 26th, 2013, 06:24 PM
Red, Punk is probably pro wrestling's biggest work horse as for now. I don't know about your friends, but the loss of the title belt probably affected a lot more people than you assume. And then again, perhaps it didn't. the IWC knew about Punk vs Rock a long time ago, and after a year+ of holding it, it only seemed obvious he'd drop it.

I'm not going to bother with the debate between Punk and Orton (both are good, but the latter lacks charisma and can get lazy sometimes). I'm just going to say two things about this year's Mania: Punk vs Taker stole the show, and I'm really upset Antonio Cesaro didn't get a match. That dude is amazing, you shouldn't keep someone like him off. It irks the hell out of me they dropped his gimmick cause of Jack Swagger. Ugh.

JayD
April 26th, 2013, 06:31 PM
Punk Vs. Taker was definitely the highlight of this year's Wrestlemania, The Rock & John Cena's match was all that I expected. Crap ton of finishers and a crap ton of 2 second and a half pins. I even thought that at one point Punk was gonna end Taker's streak (thank god he didn't).


Btw, Dipu. Is it possible that this thread becomes a general WWE discussion thread?

Seth Rollins
April 26th, 2013, 06:53 PM
Omg I have no idea that would be cool LOL. Btw im not saying Punk is not great it was just not nice how you treated Randy D: But anyways lets forget that now and lets be guud friends ^^

Btw im not much i to wrestling now tho i rly want to know what happened to Cesaro and when did Fandango debut? Since I have the same problem as Jz there :( But I will download the WWE app soon but i cant rn. So, care to tell me what happened to the...was he from Spain or Switzerland? Yeah Switzerland. What happened to him he was one of the greatest heels.

EDIT: About wrestlemania...there was so much i expected. Thanks to Dipu i thought Punk would end Takers streak </3 Omg. Cena vs Rock was boring and it was a false match. I mean. Impossible. Cena got rock bottom'd 5 times ppls elbowed 5 times and he resists? Dafaq? The rock got 4,5 or 6 finishers andhe still resists. That match was.....overall ok. Last years match was way more real.

Honest
April 26th, 2013, 08:14 PM
Yeah, sorry about that. =P I just figured it'd be awesome for Punk to end it, but nope. As for Cena/Rock, I actually didn't watch it, but I heard they spammed finishers like a spambot. I feel bad for Rocky though, he tore some muscle, forgot which exactly, right off the bone.

Oh, as for what happened to Cesaro, WWE creative figured two men with the American gimmick was too much, so they made Cesaro drop it in favor of Swagger. Big mistake imo.

JayD
April 26th, 2013, 08:24 PM
If they made Jack Swagger have a face-turn, he could be the next Kurt Angle. He's a great wrestler and he has the abilities to be even greater.

Seth Rollins
April 27th, 2013, 04:08 AM
Swagger? Rly? I mean he isnt that great, well imo, the only thingy that he did and it surprised me iwas when he was the world heavyweight champion. But Swagger isnt that good tbh. I mean, yes, but idk if he can be even greater than Kurt since Kurt was good even when he was a heel, Swagger didnt, or isnt, doing good with his heel career.

Osiris
April 27th, 2013, 10:24 PM
Oh, as for what happened to Cesaro, WWE creative figured two men with the American gimmick was too much, so they made Cesaro drop it in favor of Swagger. Big mistake imo.I couldn't agree more. Cesaro's one of the most gifted athletes in the WWE at this point, and they've seemed to just let him fall off the radar. Giving him some weird yodeling gimmick and then losing the US Championship to Kofi Kingston didn't help at all, considering he was delivering the Neutralizer to guys like Brodus Clay and Khali not too long ago. Unless they plan on bringing Kassius Ohno up to the main roster to pair with him, I hope he's able to turn it around quickly, as I think he's got the potential to be a future World Champion.

As for Jack Swagger, I agree that he's another talented in-ring performer, but I just can't see him reaching the level of Kurt Angle, either face or heel. One thing that Kurt had was talent on the mic, whereas Swagger's needed a mouthpiece in Zeb Colter to get him over. That being said, I've liked his transition into the Real American gimmick, but I just hope he didn't blow his big opportunity thanks to that DUI in March (much like William Regal did a couple years back).

JayD
April 28th, 2013, 12:46 PM
I didn't say he'll be greater than Kurt Angle. I'm just saying that he has a lot of potential but WWE is showcasing all of it. His dark matches are amazing compared to the live televised ones, that's why I say he can be as great as Kurt Angle if they went in the right direction with him.

Seth Rollins
May 1st, 2013, 08:11 AM
Oh yeah but thats a dark match, which...well you know it doesnt appear on TV, and i never said you said that. Ofc he cant be greater than Kurt Angle, since what he did was rly good but what i was saying is that I dont think he can be like Kurt Angle, if WWE decides to make heels win more. What i was rly saying was that Swagger didnt impress me that much like Kurt did. But I hate both tbh xD. But Swagger cant impress ppl because of how WWE is now.

JayD
May 1st, 2013, 08:17 AM
If you ever get the chance, check out his dark matches. They're like 200x better than his televised matches :D

But I agree with you, Swagger can't gain the popularity of the WWE universe now because of it's PG era and tons of fans just wants the attitude era back and always reminisce about the old wrestlers, so it's pretty hard for newcomers to make a big impact on WWE nowadays.