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Cassino
March 12th, 2013, 07:17 AM
Fifth Generation Pokémon Series → Fifth Generation Games (DS)
Advance Generation Games (GBA) → Third Generation Games (GBA)
Metal and Color Generation Games (GB/GBC) → First & Second Generation Games (GB/GBC)

Fourth remains the same as it's the basis for the suggested format.

Alli
March 12th, 2013, 07:19 AM
I wouldn't like it. My forums have had their names forever. If anything, Fourth and Fifth Gen should just be named their generation's nickname. It'd still be consistent. "# Generation Games" just sounds boring.

Forever
March 12th, 2013, 07:20 AM
I agree as far as my section is concerned, although I'm not a fan of (DS) so I'd rather if that were removed for the new generations.

Alternatively I wouldn't mind if we were called Adventures in Unova again, either...

Hikamaru
March 12th, 2013, 07:23 AM
I totally support this, since I sometimes get the sections confused.

If I had to do a naming scheme fitting with Syd's sections, I'd see Fourth Generation Games be named 3D Generation Games (4th Gen is known as the 3D Gen for being the first generation to have 3D graphics in a Pokemon game) while Fifth Generation should be Monochrome Generation Games, due to the naming scheme with Black and White being monochrome.

But Cassino's suggestion isn't all too bad either since it's simple.

Rϵd
March 12th, 2013, 07:28 AM
^ Ilike what they made, made the forum less confusing.

Necrum
March 12th, 2013, 07:29 AM
The names would be utterly boring if we changed them. And there should be no reason for confusion since each section has the games it covers show with the forum in question.

flight
March 12th, 2013, 07:47 AM
Well....I'd have to ask, why is it necessary? :( Is there any sort of confusion with them currently? I mean, my two cents is that there's nothing really wrong with how they're organized, and, I don't want to sound a like a parrot (but I'll do it anyway), it'll just sound...bland, I suppose. u__u

Oryx
March 12th, 2013, 07:49 AM
I don't really understand why the fifth gen section didn't become the one you suggested.

I don't really think there IS a nickname for fourth gen though, or at least none I know. 3D generation isn't widespread enough that if someone asked me "what's the 3D generation?" I would have an answer to it. Actually I'd probably answer X/Y.

Alli
March 12th, 2013, 07:50 AM
Well....I'd have to ask, why is it necessary? :( Is there any sort of confusion with them currently? I mean, my two cents is that there's nothing really wrong with how they're organized, and, I don't want to sound a like a parrot (but I'll do it anyway), it'll just sound...bland, I suppose. u__u

There shouldn't be when two of the three forums that were suggested to have a name change in this thread all have big, bold, colorful prefixes right there in the forum description. Kind of hard to miss. And they tell you what the games are. So...yeah. idk how anyone could be confused, if there is any confusion anyway.

King Goodra
March 12th, 2013, 08:32 AM
I'm more concerned with this: why are the forums for the main-series Pokémon games separate?

http://i.imgur.com/Gi8rvNG.png

This makes the absolute most sense (and how it used to be, if I remember correctly). Move all of the main series games into a category in a logical order of most recent - least recent, and then move the forums that are from alternative Pokémon gaming to a category of their own. That way, the Pokémon main series discussion forums are all in a neat, easy to find area near each other. Why separate old generations from the most up-to-date generation?

General Pokémon Gaming Discussions -> Alternative Pokémon Gaming
Description: For players who extend their Pokémon gaming experience well past the general adventures the game provides.
ie: Players who trade, battle, competitive battle, and play the games with challenges in mind.

Livewire
March 12th, 2013, 09:18 AM
If anything, Nick's idea makes the most sense and is the most organized imo.

Esper
March 12th, 2013, 09:33 AM
Couldn't we have something that combines the two?

Advance Generation Games (3rd Gen: GBA)
Metal and Color Generation Games (1st and 2nd Gen: GB/GBC)

And so on. Or is that just confusing things more?

Xander Olivieri
March 12th, 2013, 09:56 AM
I like Patch's idea. Though not "Current Generation Pokemon Gaming" Seeing as anything after 5th Gen right now is not Current and when Gen 6 comes out 5th won't be current. Why not name it Main Pokemon Games since they are the main Pokemon games?

King Goodra
March 12th, 2013, 09:58 AM
Main Series Pokémon Gaming

Cherrim
March 12th, 2013, 09:59 AM
I agree with Syd that "# Generation Games" sounds boring but the nicknames aren't necessarily intuitive to everyone and I don't think anyone calls 4th or 5th gen by a nickname? If they do, I certainly don't know what it is so if we changed those games to match the previous gens down the line, I think it would confuse a lot of people who aren't familiar with the terminology. :/
I'm more concerned with this: why are the forums for the main-series Pokémon games separate?

http://i.imgur.com/Gi8rvNG.png

This makes the absolute most sense (and how it used to be, if I remember correctly). Move all of the main series games into a category in a logical order of most recent - least recent, and then move the forums that are from alternative Pokémon gaming to a category of their own. That way, the Pokémon main series discussion forums are all in a neat, easy to find area near each other. Why separate old generations from the most up-to-date generation?

General Pokémon Gaming Discussions -> Alternative Pokémon Gaming
Description: For players who extend their Pokémon gaming experience well past the general adventures the game provides.
ie: Players who trade, battle, competitive battle, and play the games with challenges in mind.
The problem I have with it is that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense (to me) to split up the current games and Trading/Battling. And later, it won't make any sense to have those forums hidden in a totally different category from X/Y because it just confuses people who have come to PC just to discuss and play those games. It might look nicer to people who are here quite often but I don't think it's as functional.

Maybe splitting it the way we used to have it, with the wifi functions in their own category:

Main Games
- Pokemon X/Y
- Generation 5
- Generation 4
- Generation 3
- Generation 1&2

Wireless Stuff
- Trade Corner
- Battle Centre

General Gaming
- PKMN Gaming Central
- Spinoffs
- Challenges

It gives us two fairly small categories but it would keep things fairly obvious. :/ (Note I've obviously not given the names of any forums any thoughts, haha.) Wifi is still separate from the generations that use it but at least it isn't tucked away with forums that have literally nothing to do with it and in its own category, it'll still stand out.

The only problem I have with Nick's second category idea is that it isn't very intuitive to me. You've got Gaming Central which is kind of how you talk about all the generations at once, so shouldn't that go in the category with all of them as its catch-all? Then if we're categorizing everything else as "adventures past what the game has to offer", Spinoffs doesn't really work with that description--it wouldn't make sense in either of the categories anymore but if I had to pick, I'd probably think it fits in better with the main games as a second kind of catch-all forum. And that leaves Wifi and Challenges which make for a pretty small category as well as a maaassive games category. :[

Honestly, I kind of like how it is now. I remember the main reason that the setup was switched to "Current Gaming" was to keep Wifi next to whatever current generations there are. Plus, as more and more generations crop up, that main category will get really crowded. Keeping just the most relevant generations in there, plus whatever wifi functions they have, makes it really easy to find what you're looking for if all you want to do is discuss the latest Pokemon games.

Alli
March 12th, 2013, 10:06 AM
I don't see a reason in changing anything. Names or forum order. Just seems like it's being suggested for the sake of change. You just moved 4th gen into GPGD. That's enough change for now and quite frankly, I don't want any other major changes done to my forums.

King Goodra
March 12th, 2013, 10:09 AM
Honestly, I kind of like how it is now. I remember the main reason that the setup was switched to "Current Gaming" was to keep Wifi next to whatever current generations there are. Plus, as more and more generations crop up, that main category will get really crowded. Keeping just the most relevant generations in there, plus whatever wifi functions they have, makes it really easy to find what you're looking for if all you want to do is discuss the latest Pokemon games.
Oh. Well, if that's the reason for doing that, then I don't have any problem with keeping it the way it is now. You do have a point that the average user is most interested in the most up-to-date generation, and the trade corner specifically where it is now is a lot more easily accessible.

I don't see a reason in changing anything. Names or forum order. Just seems like it's being suggested for the sake of change. You just moved 4th gen into GPGD. That's enough change for now and quite frankly, I don't want any other major changes done to my forums.
Or for the sake of making things make more sense?

flight
March 12th, 2013, 10:30 AM
After reading this thread, and giving things a bit more thought (more like, reading Erica's post more closely lmao), I really like her layout of things. I mean for example, if I was a new user (and I would assume in the eyes of many new users), I would just want to go to where I was interested in right away instead of looking around forever and a day for it. The current layout definitely makes sense, don't get me wrong, and I haven't seen anything wrong with it, or anyone complain about it or anything like that, but I suppose I like Erica's layout because it increases efficiency.

Of course, there's always the problem of more and more Pokemon games coming out and the Main Pokemon Games forum getting larger and larger. And then some are going to get inactive, kind of like how Black/White was when Black 2/White 2 was released. I personally like how the staff kind of merges forums together for the sake of space, as well as activity/general relevancy, because that maximizes efficiency as well, and you're generally hitting multiple birds with one stone here.

I mean, I see this as only a problem in the long term, because I don't know of h-staff are going to keep merging forums every single time a certain generation becomes irrelevant to current discussion, and there comes a point where the merging would just look tacky, but unfortunately I don't really have much to suggest. :( I guess this is my tl;dr, don't know if it'll mean much.

If my post doesn't make sense, I'll be happy to clarify. I feel like I really badly worded this post, but we'll see. xD;

Livewire
March 12th, 2013, 10:47 AM
I agree with Syd that "# Generation Games" sounds boring

No, having 'Other' or 'General' in front of everything is boring.



Main Games
- Pokemon X/Y
- Generation 5
- Generation 4
- Generation 3
- Generation 1&2

Wireless Stuff
- Trade Corner
- Battle Centre

General Gaming
- PKMN Gaming Central
- Spinoffs
- Challenges

It gives us two fairly small categories but it would keep things fairly obvious. :/ (Note I've obviously not given the names of any forums any thoughts, haha.) Wifi is still separate from the generations that use it but at least it isn't tucked away with forums that have literally nothing to do with it and in its own category, it'll still stand out.

The only problem I have with Nick's second category idea is that it isn't very intuitive to me. You've got Gaming Central which is kind of how you talk about all the generations at once, so shouldn't that go in the category with all of them as its catch-all? Then if we're categorizing everything else as "adventures past what the game has to offer", Spinoffs doesn't really work with that description--it wouldn't make sense in either of the categories anymore but if I had to pick, I'd probably think it fits in better with the main games as a second kind of catch-all forum. And that leaves Wifi and Challenges which make for a pretty small category as well as a maaassive games category. :[



The Alternative Discussions part fixes this, though.

Current gen gaming:

-X&Y
-B&W
-Gen 4
-Gen 3
-Gen 1&2


Then:

Challenges
Trade Corner
Battle Center
Spin-Offs
GPGD stuff



It's much more organized this way. And to be honest, having Wifi near the current gen was helpful.... back in 2007 when it was new. It's not like people are still getting used to using Wifi to trade anymore.

Cherrim
March 12th, 2013, 11:09 AM
No, having 'Other' or 'General' in front of everything is boring.
I don't disagree there. :(
It's much more organized this way. And to be honest, having Wifi near the current gen was helpful.... back in 2007 when it was new. It's not like people are still getting used to using Wifi to trade anymore.
But it's not about whether it's new and confusing anymore, it's about being able to find it in an instant. It is not intuitive to have discussion directly related to the current generation--be it 5th Gen right now or X/Y in a few months--in a separate category from the forum specifically for that generation. If I'm playing the newest game that just came out, when I look up the forum for that game, Wifi should be really close to it. If not, it should be in a section that makes it stand out (ie, its own category). Wifi isn't really "Alternative". It's a core feature of the games and, arguably, one of the main reasons to seek out forums like PC. It should never be pushed into an "Alternative" section because call it what you will, Alternative is just another word for Other/General and the new way would treat it solely as a catch-all for things not in the main series. And Wifi IS the main series so I don't naturally make the connection that it would belong there.

flight
March 12th, 2013, 11:13 AM
No, having 'Other' or 'General' in front of everything is boring.





The Alternative Discussions part fixes this, though.

Current gen gaming:

-X&Y
-B&W
-Gen 4
-Gen 3
-Gen 1&2


Then:

Challenges
Trade Corner
Battle Center
Spin-Offs
GPGD stuff



It's much more organized this way. And to be honest, having Wifi near the current gen was helpful.... back in 2007 when it was new. It's not like people are still getting used to using Wifi to trade anymore.

This would help too, I suppose, but what about the issue of the Main Series forum getting too big? Of course, D/P And HG/SS were merged into one forum and moved, and the same happened with Black and White/ Black and White 2, but I still see this as kind of a problem, which is why I kind of came up with this:

And before reading over this, I did kind of change the names around a bit, really. I'll be fair and honest with you: I liked Adventures in Unova for fifth gen. I'm of the opinion that you should add some personality to your forums, make it more exciting and fun to post in. It sounds stupid to some of us that a simple forum name would have an effect, but you'd be surprised. It's already pretty much proven because a lot of people here seem to be dissatisfied with the prospect of "# Generation Games". So let's change that around a bit, shall we?

Also, note that I realize that, if Unova gets this change, then I am aware that every single Pokemon-related forum pretty much gets the same treatment, which may be hard for those who aren't the most creative ever at coming up with names, but I'll do my best. ^^;

Main Series Pokemon Games

- Pokemon X and Pokemon Y - I'm leaving this forum as it is because obviously there's no information on the region name or anything about the games as of yet, so it's hard to come up with something remotely creative or fun or anything like that.
- Adventures in Unova! - Pretty much already stated why!
- Replaying the Remakes - Not a while lot of people would get the pun, but this is in reference to both HG/SS and FireRed and Leafgreen. Upon reading this, a lot of you are going to look at me like I'm freaking nuts. But you have to remember that the more Pokemon games that come out, the more the higher staff would have to merge things around, and I assume that merging can get exhausting at times, and a lot of things are taken into consideration before doing so, y'know? HG/SS and FR/LG are both remakes respectively, and the biggest problem I have with this is the hypothetical situation of other remakes of other generations occuring, which imo is extremely unlikely because other than the Ruby/Sapphire remakes everyone wants, I don't see any other remakes coming for a loooong time. This is an excellent way to condense remakes into one forum, keeping things neat, tidy, and organized.

Or

Another potential problem I have with this is that both HG/SS and FR/LG are two completely different generations. For those of us who are OCD with organization, that might be an annoying bug that'll we'll never squash, so to speak, so that would require making one forum for FR/LG and another one for HG/SS...but then again, why? HG/SS nor FR/LG are current, so regardless of whether or not they're separate generations, I personally feel that the fact that they're remakes is more than enough to warrant them getting a forum together.

I mean, you don't see Spinoffs being separated by generations, right? They're all pretty much crammed into one forum.

The third Generation forum could be named something like...I dunno, Hot weather in hoenn or something stupidly punny like that, as long as it sounds fun and it has some sort of ring to it within the games. Sorry lol, I'm just getting really lazy with names now. u_u But I hope a lot of you understand where I'm coming from.

Just to reiteration, this solution: A) Keeps things tidy and organized and B) Kind of eliminates the need for constant merging, allowing discussion for various main series games to stay in one forum, and if any kind of merging is necessary, it's pretty rare.

Cherrim
March 12th, 2013, 11:20 AM
Honestly, while I find "Generation #" to be boring, it's also very functional. :/ I've never been a fan of vague/crazy names in thread titles and I feel the same way with forum names. It may be more interesting to look at but it's not instantly recognizable what the forum is for, either.

flight
March 12th, 2013, 11:25 AM
Honestly, while I find "Generation #" to be boring, it's also very functional. :/ I've never been a fan of vague/crazy names in thread titles and I feel the same way with forum names. It may be more interesting to look at but it's not instantly recognizable what the forum is for, either.

See, that's why I also feel that it's a double-edged sword at the same time. Crazy names for forums might look good on paper, but how well does it actually function? I mean, I've heard both sides of the spectrum back when Fifth Generation was "Adventures in Unova!", and I'm pretty much indifferent. I feel that it adds some sort of extra touch to the forum, and it makes it sound a lot more fun than just "Fifth Generation Games". Maybe it's just kind of a psychological way to look at it? :( When things sound more fun, they become a lot more fun, even if there's no actual change within the forum content itself, if that makes sense.

I've also heard the opposite side say that the name was just extremely cheesy, but I guess that's pretty much up to personal taste. I do think that seeing those names on a whole, while it would be interesting, would be really awkward for those of us who have been here for a while, maybe not for the new users.

Cosmotone8
March 12th, 2013, 12:58 PM
No, having 'Other' or 'General' in front of everything is boring.





The Alternative Discussions part fixes this, though.

Current gen gaming:

-X&Y
-B&W
-Gen 4
-Gen 3
-Gen 1&2


Then:

Challenges
Trade Corner
Battle Center
Spin-Offs
GPGD stuff



It's much more organized this way. And to be honest, having Wifi near the current gen was helpful.... back in 2007 when it was new. It's not like people are still getting used to using Wifi to trade anymore.
If it were up to me I would like it to go like this...
General Pokemon Game Discussion
-X&Y
-B&W
-Gen 4
-Gen 3
-Gen 1&2
-Spinoffs

Extra Game Activities
Challenges
Battle Center
Trade Corner

Extra Pokemon Discussion:
Pokemon General
Pokemon Clubs
Pokemon Trivia
Pokemon Anime
Pokemon TCG
I know it makes for some really small and also somewhat large sections, but bear with me here.
First of all, you clump all the games together. Any and all Pokemon video game discussion takes place here. Next, you have the Extra Game Activities, which would serve basically as a section for anything that goes on in the games themselves that doesn't directly fit in the Game Discussion category. Extra Pokemon Discussion would basically be for all other Pokemon related topics.
As for the names of the sections....I could really care less, as long as they don't overly confuse people.

Guy
March 12th, 2013, 01:49 PM
At first glance, the thought of arranging the forums seemed good. However, having read more about what others have said, I think the current set up works well enough. For now. The two most notable points that stood out to me were the list for a category like Main Series Pokémon Games would eventually become rather lengthy and that would ultimately end up pushing the Battle Center and Trade Corner forums further down and away from the current games that would utilize them the most.

However, It does bring up certain contradiction. Wouldn't this mean that eventually the gaming forums will have to be reorganized? I mean, we couldn't just dump every non-current generation into General Pokémon Gaming Discussions like what was done with Fourth Gen. Otherwise, we'd have the same lengthy list of forums under one category and we'd be pushing the games away from the Trade Corner/Battle Center once again. They may be older generations by then, but they would still be games that use these particular features provided by the Trade Corner and Battle Center.

As far as forum names go, Fourth Generation Games (DS) and Fifth Generation Games may not be as creative as the names given to the first to third generation forums, but I they're straightforward enough to where everyone knows what they are right off the bat. I don't feel like the Fourth Gen or the Fifth Gen has earned a solid nickname for themselves that is universally known by the fan base as of yet.

Main Series Pokemon Games
<tl;dr here>
On paper, a forum made just for remakes would make sense. However, talking about FR/LG and HG/SS, being remakes of older games are all these two hold similar to one another. Putting a generation of games together makes far more sense than designing a forum for all remake discussions.

Reason being, a generation of Pokémon games has more in common with one another than title remakes made during different generations. With the former, there is a connection between games of the same generation that allows broader topics to be discussed in that forum. The same couldn't necessarily be said about a forum made for bringing HG/SS and FR/LG together. They're too different from one another.

If that doesn't make sense, then you also have to consider, by making a Remakes Forum, you now have DPPt as its own stand alone forum as well as RSE. Neither of which can generate enough activity to justify having their own forums as they once did. That aside, you're also adding an extra forum to the bunch which only makes the list bigger than it needs to be.

Cassino
March 12th, 2013, 04:19 PM
boring
boring
boring
I'm sorry, but I find it ridiculous that this should be considered a legitimate concern.

Necrum
March 12th, 2013, 04:44 PM
Boring is a perfectly legitimate concern. It looks bad the way you suggested. If anything, its the other, more bland names, that should be made more consistent with those, since they were there first. Monochrome Gen would sound like a really cool name for a forum in my opinion.

I mean, if something looks bland and tasteless, then it reflects poorly on the forum as a whole. Overall though, I really don't see any reason to change anything.

Cassino
March 12th, 2013, 05:01 PM
It reflects poorly that the sections are poorly organised, is what I think.
True though, it's really just something I thought to point out. I hardly expected a substantial response.

Keiran
March 12th, 2013, 05:33 PM
If it's non-boring names you seek why not

Unova Uproar
Sinnoh Squabble
Hoenn Hullabaloo
Johto Jive
Kanto Commotion

I like Livewires suggestion of Trade Corner, Battle Center, Challenges, and General Gaming Discussion getting their own section, but I think it should be under Current Generation and above Past Generations since they involve topics that span multiple generations.

Anyways, I don't think the actual names of the forums matter. Those coloured boxes are plenty enough to guide people where they want to go.

Forever
March 12th, 2013, 05:37 PM
If it's non-boring names you seek why not

Unova Uproar
Sinnoh Squabble
Hoenn Hullabaloo
Johto Jive
Kanto Commotion

I like Livewires suggestion of Trade Corner, Battle Center, Challenges, and General Gaming Discussion getting their own section, but I think it should be under Current Generation and above Past Generations since they involve topics that span multiple generations.

Anyways, I don't think the actual names of the forums matter. Those coloured boxes are plenty enough to guide people where they want to go.
Uhhh if fifth gen got renamed I'd much rather adventures in Unova or Unova united js.

Cherrim
March 12th, 2013, 05:58 PM
I'm sorry, but I find it ridiculous that this should be considered a legitimate concern.
I didn't think it was a legitimate concern. :P If you read my posts, I'm on the side that functionality should be first concern and then interesting names can come into it if they don't interfere with that prime interest.

King Goodra
March 12th, 2013, 08:30 PM
One of the reasons I liked Adventures in Unova was because it was interesting and straight-forward. Go there to talk about your adventures in Unova. Generation V had the unique position of being made up entirely of one region since no remakes were made, so it said on it's own that that was for Generation V without actually having Gen V anywhere in the forum name.

I do agree that straight-forward forum names are important; boring or not, considering I don't think the forum description should be the give away to what a forum is about. You should be able to read the forum name and know immediately what goes there. The main-series gaming forums have a unique description that catches your eye, though, because of those fancy game prefixes. So having a straight-forward forum name like "First Generation Games", "Second Generation Games", and so on and so forth aren't really necessary. Still, for the sake of consistency, I do think that they should be unified.

Cordelia
March 13th, 2013, 05:04 AM
Personally, I think that Trade Corner and Battle Center should not be moved away from Current Pokemon Generation Gaming. It's an important thing that many people come to PC to do -- battle or trade with their current games. Yes, we can battle/trade in 4th generation, but the majority of the new people that sign up want to battle/trade with the most current games (B2W2) at this point. Moving the Trade Corner/Battle Center down to another section would make it more difficult for these people to find what they're looking for.

We should keep it the way it is. Current gaming has Trade Corner and Battle Center. It's very newbie friendly. The names on the other hand, that's up for you people to decide because quite frankly, I couldn't care less of what they're named as long as their easy to distinguish from each other.

FYI: I liked Adventures in Unova quite a bit because it is one of the only Generations with only one region. n_n

Forever
March 13th, 2013, 05:30 AM
Hmmm I have a thought: (since it's related to generation five and the recent posts mentioned my forum, and all three of us moderators do like adventures in unova) Would it be a bad idea to trial it, and see if it actually works as a name? If nobody gets confused, or nobody complains or thinks it doesn't look okay, then by that... shouldn't it be okay (it isn't "unified" - but does that honestly matter? Gen 5 was the only generation for this to happen, and it's certainly 100% accurate)? I mean it only had two days to be the forum name, and basically everyone who commented on it loved the name. I mean, what's the harm of it being trialled for a while? I mean, generation five has had four name changes in the last two weeks so changing the name again wouldn't suddenly be a big change/issue, given the circumstances. Please?

adventure
March 13th, 2013, 07:35 AM
I just want to say that while the saying "don't fix it if it aint broken" holds true for some situations in life, discussing a change just for the sake of changing isn't always a bad thing. Especially not on a forum that strives to stay interesting and popular with many rivals.

Maybe this topic ends up with "no change needed" being the major opinion, but I still find it nice that there is opportunity to give suggestions and hold discussions like this on PC.


Anyways, I don't feel like I'm qualified to give an educated opinion on whether or not sections should be rearranged, but regarding Cassino's original suggestion, I think renaming would be a good thing.

Naturally, Pokémon X & Pokémon Y is the easiest and most effective name for the upcoming games since people coming here probably look for those words rather than "Sixth Generation Pokémon Games". But when it comes to the other forums I definitely think that Cassino's suggestions are rational and good. They are not boring :p They are neat. In a super large forum, neatness is nice. :>
Third Generation Pokémon Series
First & Second Generation Pokémon Series
are more consistent and neat names than Advance and Metal/Color. Maybe the console (GB DS etc) can be omitted if people think it's not necessary or looks too ugly, hah.

flight
March 13th, 2013, 02:52 PM
Reading Shivi's post (too lazy to quote, really) has really brought a fresh perspective for me into this. I mean, I always thought that "# Generation games" might've appeared unappealing, which was why I was more or less on the side of renaming them into something crazy or fun, y'know? Of course, I also understand where Nick is coming from, as far as the forum titles being direct, and explicitly stating the purpose of the forum instead of the forum description itself.

That said though, even if they are boring, I do agree with "# Generation Games" now, because what's important is that the names of the forums communicate exactly what the forum is for. I suppose you can also achieve that with fun naming, but it would be to a lesser extent, I assume? Haha, but yeah, organization all the way, really~!

droomph
March 13th, 2013, 03:19 PM
Well, I think that if you're interesting, people will look past the name.

For example, there was this forum, and I remember that they had really creative names.

But however, since I wasn't interested, I couldn't get myself to like it.

It's more about the content more than the names, honestly.

So do whatever the admins like the best.

wolf
March 13th, 2013, 04:37 PM
I would rather use the following format that's similar to Nick's:

General Pokemon Gaming Discussions
- Pokemon Gaming Central
- Challenges
- Trade Corner
- Battle Center

Pokemon Game Specific Discussions
- Pokemon X & Pokemon Y
- Fifth Generation Games
- Fourth Generation Games
- Third Generation Games
- First & Second Generation Games
- Spinoff Games

All of the forums that aren't specific to certain Pokemon games are grouped together at the top. The Wi-Fi sections are seen first before the Pokemon game forums, which means that we may see less people post in game-specific forums about trading, battling, team help, etc. To me, it makes more sense to place the "general" forums before the more specific ones. I find that this is the most organized and straightforward version; it's simply general game forums + individual game forums. Additionally, the name "Current Generation Pokemon Gaming" can be misleading, as it implies that all of the forums in the section are only for the current generation. Both TC and BC include all of the past generations (though, TC mostly focuses on the games that are capable of Wi-Fi trading), so they can be considered past generation as well. PGC and Challenges are just as current as TC and BC.

I'm also not a fan of "Adventures in Unova!" simply because it's not consistent with the other forum names. The other forum names could be changed to suit the style, but forums that include multiple regions may end up with lengthy names. Then again, the forums could be remade individually for each region rather than them being generation-specific. i.e. A Kanto forum for RBY/FRLG, a Hoenn forum for RSE and speculation on their remakes, etc. However, Pokemon games with multiple regions like GSC/HGSS would complicate things. Anyway, I think what we have right now in regard to the forum names is perfectly fine.

Alli
March 13th, 2013, 04:45 PM
That said though, even if they are boring, I do agree with "# Generation Games" now, because what's important is that the names of the forums communicate exactly what the forum is for. I suppose you can also achieve that with fun naming, but it would be to a lesser extent, I assume? Haha, but yeah, organization all the way, really~!

I just want to point out that with the big, bold, colorful prefixes listed in the gen I-V forum descriptions, is the "# Generation Games" really needed? You can't miss those prefixes, and they tell you the exact games that go there.

roosterman
March 13th, 2013, 05:45 PM
i'm not gonna argue about the whole individual name thing mostly cause i'm too lazy to read it all right now but shouldn't forth gen games be in "current generation games"? maybe we should just rename that section to "wifi compatible games". it'll save the mods some work when we get to gen 7 and 5th gen is old.

Alli
March 13th, 2013, 06:02 PM
i'm not gonna argue about the whole individual name thing mostly cause i'm too lazy to read it all right now but shouldn't forth gen games be in "current generation games"?

Higher staff decided gen IV games were old and moved that forum into GPGD and merged BW and BW2. I don't think it should have been done then, but I don't see the problem in putting it back and renaming Current Generation Pokemon Games to Wi-Fi Compatible Games, or Pokemon DS Generations, since that would also incorporate Trade Corner and Battle Center. But I doubt they'd undo that move now.

flight
March 13th, 2013, 06:04 PM
I just want to point out that with the big, bold, colorful prefixes listed in the gen I-V forum descriptions, is the "# Generation Games" really needed? You can't miss those prefixes, and they tell you the exact games that go there.

Ah yes, I do wholeheartedly agree that the forum's description (in this case, the colorful prefixes in the description) assists a heck of a lot as far as identifying the purpose of forum. However, I don't think it's so much identification here rather than trying to keep the names at a consistent basis, here. If the problem was just identification, then I believe it would've been just left alone at that (or I could be wrong. /shrugs)

Of course, as you already know, originally I was against the idea of "# Generation Games", but I see why it makes sense, and that's because it's effective at what it does, however bland and silly it may sound to most people, but it gets the job done, and isn't that what we all want in the end? For a more efficient, comfortable PC-browsing experience?

Speaking from a personal standpoint though, I'm still unsure about it, but I'm still willing to give it a shot. The worst that can absolutely happen out of this is that it doesn't work, and in that case it reverts back to normal, right?

i'm not gonna argue about the whole individual name thing mostly cause i'm too lazy to read it all right now but shouldn't forth gen games be in "current generation games"? maybe we should just rename that section to "wifi compatible games". it'll save the mods some work when we get to gen 7 and 5th gen is old.

Fourth Generation is by no means current. We are two generations ahead at this point.

Guy
March 13th, 2013, 07:07 PM
I would rather use the following format that's similar to Nick's:

General Pokemon Gaming Discussions
- Pokemon Gaming Central
- Challenges
- Trade Corner
- Battle Center

Pokemon Game Specific Discussions
- Pokemon X & Pokemon Y
- Fifth Generation Games
- Fourth Generation Games
- Third Generation Games
- First & Second Generation Games
- Spinoff Games

All of the forums that aren't specific to certain Pokemon games are grouped together at the top. The Wi-Fi sections are seen first before the Pokemon game forums, which means that we may see less people post in game-specific forums about trading, battling, team help, etc. To me, it makes more sense to place the "general" forums before the more specific ones. I find that this is the most organized and straightforward version; it's simply general game forums + individual game forums. Additionally, the name "Current Generation Pokemon Gaming" can be misleading, as it implies that all of the forums in the section are only for the current generation. Both TC and BC include all of the past generations (though, TC mostly focuses on the games that are capable of Wi-Fi trading), so they can be considered past generation as well. PGC and Challenges are just as current as TC and BC.

Of all the set ups shared here so far, I think this would be the best route to go and with good reason. To add to this, while the Pokémon Game Specific Discussions would be pushed back one category, it would guarantee that every new generation that is released will always remain close to the Trade Corner / Battle Center as well as the Challenges and PGC forums, which are like free-for-all ("general") forums because they can cover every generation. And while the main games category would run the risk of getting too long in the future, ─ which wouldn't be for awhile ─ there's always the option of splitting it later on (i.e. 1st-5th Gen grouped together, 6th Gen forward grouped together, and so on).

Also, I agree with the point that the title "Current Generation Pokémon Gaming" can be a misleading, but also, too specific in terms of what sort of forums can fit there. For example, Fourth Generation may be two generations behind now, but I don't think it exactly fits under "General Pokémon Gaming Discussions." As I mentioned earlier, they may be old now, but they're still part of the generations that will take use of the Trade Corner and Battle Center.

Going back to the names and their consistency, Advanced Gen and Metal/Color Gen have been the names of their respective forums for as long as I can remember, and I don't ever recall there being an issue of identifying what sort of games they cover. I would honestly hate for them to be renamed to something as stale as "First & Second Generation Games" and "Third Generation Games" especially when there's the big, bold, and colorful prefixes right upfront and hard to miss. "Fourth Generation Games" and "Fifth Generation Games" work, even though they are bland, because these particular generations don't really have a universal fandom name like Gen I, II, and III have. So I really don't think a forum name change for Metal/Color and Advanced Gen are necessary at this point.

flight
March 13th, 2013, 07:11 PM
As I mentioned, they may be old, but they're still part of the generations that will take use of the Trade Corner and Battle Center.

Ah yes, and I do recognize that both HeartGold and SoulSilver are both main games as well, but what I was trying to say is that they don't really belong in a forum labeled current generation gaming, when they're clearly not current. If they were to be moved to where the main games are, then of course the entire category has to be re-named, too!

curiousnathan
March 13th, 2013, 10:09 PM
I'm more concerned with this: why are the forums for the main-series Pokémon games separate?

http://i.imgur.com/Gi8rvNG.png

This makes the absolute most sense (and how it used to be, if I remember correctly). Move all of the main series games into a category in a logical order of most recent - least recent, and then move the forums that are from alternative Pokémon gaming to a category of their own. That way, the Pokémon main series discussion forums are all in a neat, easy to find area near each other. Why separate old generations from the most up-to-date generation?

General Pokémon Gaming Discussions -> Alternative Pokémon Gaming
Description: For players who extend their Pokémon gaming experience well past the general adventures the game provides.
ie: Players who trade, battle, competitive battle, and play the games with challenges in mind.

This, is what I'd love. It's orderly, it's logical and it makes sense.

I don't really have anything else to contribute.

Alli
March 14th, 2013, 06:43 AM
Ah yes, I do wholeheartedly agree that the forum's description (in this case, the colorful prefixes in the description) assists a heck of a lot as far as identifying the purpose of forum. However, I don't think it's so much identification here rather than trying to keep the names at a consistent basis, here. If the problem was just identification, then I believe it would've been just left alone at that (or I could be wrong. /shrugs)

I just can't understand why we're just now caring about consistency in the year 2013. It matters all of a sudden? Which brings me to the next quote:

Going back to the names and their consistency, Advanced Gen and Metal/Color Gen have been the names of their respective forums for as long as I can remember, and I don't ever recall there being an issue of identifying what sort of games they cover. I would honestly hate for them to be renamed to something as stale as "First & Second Generation Games" and "Third Generation Games" especially when there's the big, bold, and colorful prefixes right upfront and hard to miss. "Fourth Generation Games" and "Fifth Generation Games" work, even though they are bland, because these particular generations don't really have a universal fandom name like Gen I, II, and III have. So I really don't think a forum name change for Metal/Color and Advanced Gen are necessary at this point.

I agree with this. Keep the grandpa forums with their names, or at least with the names the fanbase has given them. It's been like that since I joined as well, and seeing them under any different name would just be...strange. :/ If anything, they've been named that the longest so forums that have come after them should adhere to their names, however like Shivi said, there aren't really any fanbase names for gen IV and V, but it still works for them. I'm guessing consistency is suddenly important because of 4th Gen being in GPGD so it stands out now, but it doesn't really bother me, other than making GPGD look a bit bloated. The name itself though doesn't really bother me at all.

And the problems I have with grouping all the Pokemon Gaming sections together have been brought up by Erica though, and idk if she mentioned this one, but the series is always growing. So you're going to end up with a HUGE "Main Series Gaming" section or whatever it would be called and it would keep growing and growing and it looks really bad. GPGD already looks kind of weird with its six forums while CPGD looks...skinny? Haha. Needs meat on its bones or something!

Cosmotone8
March 14th, 2013, 10:32 AM
And the problems I have with grouping all the Pokemon Gaming sections together have been brought up by Erica though, and idk if she mentioned this one, but the series is always growing. So you're going to end up with a HUGE "Main Series Gaming" section or whatever it would be called and it would keep growing and growing and it looks really bad. GPGD already looks kind of weird with its six forums while CPGD looks...skinny? Haha. Needs meat on its bones or something!
If we arranged it with all the games together, (including Spinoffs) similar to the way Wolflare arranged them, then the remaining sections wouldn't be too small. For example, Off Topic Discussions only has four forums, and its not like the fact that it only has four forums has decreased its activity or anything like that. It just seems like to me like having all the games together with no more of this "Current Gen" stuff would work better than the current system. And if you really, really, seriously, legitimately care about how much space it takes up, then make one forum titled with a separate sub-forum for each game. But as far as I'm concerned, that isn't necessary at all because the amount of space a forum takes up isn't a big issue, or at least not as big of an issue as organization.

Charlie Brown
March 15th, 2013, 03:34 AM
seriously the names of the sections/forums don't need to be ~*~*~super exciting~*~*~ and it really doesn't matter at all if you personally think they're boring/bland/stale (stale doesn't even make sense in this context but someone said that calling them first/second/third/fourth/fifth/sixth gen disc is stale so).

what matters more is functionality - a section name is meant to tell you straight up what the second is about, not to sound ~cool~ or ~trendy~;

what matters is consistency; what matters is using a logical method instead of things being placed all over the place (seriously who cares if there are six or seven sections under the heading of "generation discussion" or whatever you want to call it; that's where things actually make sense to belong. it doesn't look bad to have a long list of sections under generation discussion, it looks perfectly normal because, oh hey, there are multiple generations!);

what matters is minimising confusion (personally i haven't heard of the term metal/colour gen before lol, it might just be me but whatever. that and the fact that it doesn't make much sense regarding the layout being all over the place, like why is challenges in the middle of the list of main series generations? that doesn't make much sense at all).



that is all. nobody will listen to this anyway because "lol who's charlie brown, he doesn't have a coloured name, he doesn't know what he's talking about~~~~" but whatever.

Oryx
March 15th, 2013, 05:21 AM
For the record, I usually have trouble finding BC and TC in the main forum list because I never expect them to be in a section with the main series games; I understand the logic that they're there because you use them with the main series game, but my head always tells me that they'd be in the same section as Challenges and such.

I imagine if the series keeps growing and we have 10+ generations, we'd combine old sections. I mean Generations 1 and 2 are combined. I wouldn't base how we arrange the forums now on how it might look in 5 years, we can deal with that in 5 years.