Should we keep the Rep-System?

[Lion Heart]

Do you believe the Rep system should stay or go?

I can't do jack about it, but I want to see what the results are of this.

It's either you choose stay or go, no in between.

I'm for keeping it but there should be a way to stop abuse, besides disabling it.

[Lord Jaws]

XD at your plaigarism of my idea. XD XD. But I say it stays.

[Kyogre-chan]

I somehow know that a good portion of PC members will vote to keep it.

http://pokecommunity.info/showpost.php?p=956588&postcount=660
http://pokecommunity.info/showpost.php?p=956710&postcount=662
http://pokecommunity.info/showpost.php?p=956774&postcount=664

In other words, I'm all for getting rid of it.

[Kylie-chan]

I thought rep polls were not allowed. *reports*

But I'm all for keeping it XP </bias>

[Miyu-chan]

7) No Polls on Reputation
We've had many polls on reputation, and nearly all have them have ended up being closed. So, to prevent them in the future, just don't post any polls about rep.

So... *CLOSED*

If you alter the idea/topic, I can reopen it and move it to the feedback forum, PM me if you want to.

[Miyu-chan]

*Re-Opened* *Edited* and *Moved*

xD;

[Geometric-sama]

This poll's been carried out way too many times before, and the answer is always the same: the rep system stays, if you have problems disable your rep. >_>

[Eon-Rider]

I want it to stay because I find other forums boring because they didnt have it.

[DragonTrainer]

Get rid of it and make it die a slow and painful death

[Geometric-sama]

What, a death point by point?

Each day, every member's rep is reduced by 10 or 20 points until they sicken of seeing red dots by their name and disable their rep XD

[Cyndaquil]

I want to keep it, for fun..
But in my opnition (Bad spelling...) we could try to "hide" it in a month and pause the rep calculator to test if there will be lesser spam...

[Kyogre-chan]

For fun, that's what they all say. The rep system was designed for one to applaud/smite another on a post, not for people to go around giving out random good rep with comments like "Have some rep!" Sure, people are trying to be nice, but we've had this discussion so many times that you can't say they aren't abusing the system.

[Frostweaver]

I actually saw something interesting outside of fanfic, and just couldn't resist myself to post on this one.

I, of course, voted on getting rid of it. Reasons? Well...

a) Personal experiences
The fact that I guessed how more ppl in PC will like Latias more than Latios earned me a rep point... oh it's 50/50% chance minimum to some free rep!

b) "Activity is Rep"
There's a heck of a lot of morons out there with full bar rep (yes, I am saying and implying that some of you guys out there are in need of some special lessons on reading what is posted on page 1 before you comment on page 10, along with typing out a post in proper english instead of "1 P\/\/|\| JO0 @LL" and what other junk like that, but I'm not saying any names so *DUN DUN DUN*). Well, how did these morons get so much rep? They're just online 24/7 with a huge scary number called, the post count. Well, any new members know that people with superior post counts are Gods, and therefore, must be worshipped.

c) Rep abuse / Rep trade
Ok some people talked about this already so I'll skip and go on



However, if we aren't going to get rid of the rep system, there's still a way to use the rep system properly.

Instead of looking for the green reps, look for the red reps.

If you got a red rep, very likely you must have spoke something daring yet truthful, striking anger and frustration into the hearts of somebody out there. As an act of revenge, they shall bombard you with the red reps. Therefore, if you got a lot of red reps, then you must be quite a truthful person!

(warning: truthful doesn't necessarily mean a "good" or "moral" person)

Frosty posted outside of Pokemon fanfiction! *GASP* The world is ending!

[Mr Cat Dog]

THE WORLD'S GOING TO DIE! Although it's nearly time for you to read my fic! XD

But, on topic, I don't think it should be removed, but it should be given a restart, as its unfair on certain people who actually rep and are repped upon good and decent + bad and undecent posts. Whilst I'm not entirely bothered about it... I think that a restart would be best. If we can't do that, then I just say get rid of it :/

[Kira]

I want it too stay, It's kewl XD

[Happy Dude]

I don't mind Rep.I mean their just little green silly blocks.I don't know why everyone makes such a big deal of them.

But MCD you are right i think reps need a restart.People are just asking for Rep Nowdays.

[Lion Heart]

Is there no way to simply stop the abuse without getting rid of it or disabling it?

It's a nice little feature to have and adds a little something to PC, but the abuse of it is what I'm worried about.

I think if we could find a way to stop abusers, I think it could work out well.

[Scyther]

it should stay ^^
giving ppl rep for good deeds is somthing great

[Avegaille]

^I think the rep is just fine and dandy here.... no offence.... since I was a member for only one month and I got too many reps.... where did all of those came from... O_o;;;

>Anyway, I'm trying to avoid the random rep thing, and give reps to those people who deserve them......

[Chrono Cr@cker]

I kinda like MCD's idea and yeah, the reputation system could be re-started and well, I think you should assign an active super-mod on the job. In the control Panel, he should view most of the reps and see if that post really deserves one. If it doesn't, then he could PM that member and warn him. If that still didn't work, well Remove that member's rep giving power.

*CC Thinks this is a good idea*.

I know mods can't be on all the time, but well atleast more than 1/2 of the rep points could be supervised.

~ CC

[Scyther]

very good idea cc ^^ i think that one should be considerd

[Lion Heart]

I think CC has a nice idea, but I think supervising 1/2 rep given out would be too tough a job, even for someone specifically moded for it.

It would take up to much of their time.

[Mr Cat Dog]

Moderating every single rep comment really would be too much. In theory it would work great, but its hardly very practical, as there are at lease 4000 active members here to date.

[Seto7Kaiba]

I say the REP system stays. I feel its to know if this person is good or if this person is bad.

[Chrono Cr@cker]

Moderating every single rep comment really would be too much. In theory it would work great, but its hardly very practical, as there are at lease 4000 active members here to date.

We also do have a overall of 49 moderator here. Most of PC's mods are much more active than members. So if each mod is given the power to "view" the reputations given in his forum alone, then he can easily decipher it to be an unneeded number and warn the members about it.

Mod : Member Ratio = 50 : 3000 (Since most of the users are not active and many ID's have been changed or merged).
=1 : 60. So I think half of this could easily be managed by mods. I still like this idea and I'm all for it but let's see what other members think of it. Also extremely active moderators like Kyogre-Chan, etc could be given the power to view mroe forums than his.

~ CC

[Lion Heart]

I still think it would be an extremely tough task on behalf of the mods, though, if they were able to view the reps given out through the whole area, it could probably be reduced in time by alot.

I have no idea if when mods/admins view rep they can see everything in the area or just the thread they are in, I think if they could view all reps in the entire forum they are in though, it'd work out nicely.

This could also bring up forums without mods though, which will have to be done by a higher staff member, who may not have enough time to keep an eye on those forums aswell as doing the job they have already been assigned at the same time.

[Mr Cat Dog]

Somehow I don't think that Steve is going to give everyone access to the Admin CP. Even if it is something as little as reputation -_-

Besides, reputation is not grouped into sections like forums and whatnot. It's just for each individual user, so it would be stupid to say that I could have all the users with the letter A, Kelsey could have teh letter B and so on. So... it just wouldn't work at all.

[Chrono Cr@cker]

Somehow I don't think that Steve is going to give everyone access to the Admin CP. Even if it is something as little as reputation -_-

Besides, reputation is not grouped into sections like forums and whatnot. It's just for each individual user, so it would be stupid to say that I could have all the users with the letter A, Kelsey could have teh letter B and so on. So... it just wouldn't work at all.

Do super-mods have access to the admin CP? Wow! I never did know that. I just thought Steve found a way to bring the Rep option into the Moderators Control Panel.

Yeah, Stevie would never give all mods the access to the Admin CP, so case closed. Anyway the system could be re-started and well Mature members and mods should report the rep they get which they do not deserve (though hardly anyone would do this for good rep.XD) and Super-Mods and above could just keep on eye on the recent reps when they are online.

~ CC

[Bleach and Sunshine]

MCD have a point.The rep should get a total restart.Everybody will have ten like everyone else when you first register to PC.Also I think there should be some rules for it.The random rep causes problems a lot and other things.So some rules are needed like I said before but I would like it to stay.

[Mr Cat Dog]

No. It comes as part of the S-Mod CP. Some bits of the Admin CP (Such as mass moving and pruning) are taken from it, and given to S-Mods. But to do what you're thinking of, you'll need the whole User reputation part of the CP, which Steve wouldn't give out.

[Lion Heart]

I remember Arcanine saying something along the lines of the amount of posts you've made adds something to your rep power.

Wouldn't that affect a restart?

[Mr Cat Dog]

Rep Power is your total rep divided by 30 for good rep power, and total rep halved for bad rep power. I don't believe postcount has anything to do with it... I think... o.o

[Kyogre-chan]

Actually, Super Mods are able to ban and edit profiles via the Mod CP, so they don't need Admin CP access. ^_^;

And I like your idea CC, except for one thing. It'd be easy to check all reps given in the last 24 hours, but there are some people out there who don't abuse the system, and people have different views on each post. For example, one person may love a post, while another person finds it offensive. Staff shouldn't be judging whether or not reputation given by each member is acceptable. =\

[pika2000]

well, I want it to stay, because it's fun and I have never had any bad experience with it...

[Bleach and Sunshine]

Rep Power is your total rep divided by 30 for good rep power, and total rep halved for bad rep power. I don't believe postcount has anything to do with it... I think... o.o
Andy did said that once.You can give rep depending on your postcount but it has to be a lot of posts.

[Mr Cat Dog]

Er... we can't edit profiles, Ty. We don't have all of Users in the CP. All we can do is Ban, change: sigs, avatars and profile pictures, and edit the comments given in rep. We can look at profiles, but can't edit and save...

[Kyogre-chan]

Exactly what I was talking about. XP

And it's true that postcount very narrowly affects your rep power. For every 1,000 posts you make, 1 rep power is gained... I think. o.o

EDIT: Aye. It's midnight, quiet. ~_~;

[Chrono Cr@cker]

It'd be easy to check all reps given in the last 24 hours, but there are some people out there who don't abuse the system, and people have different views on each post. For example, one person may love a post, while another person finds it offensive. Staff shouldn't be judging whether or not reputation given by each member is acceptable. =\

Another good point you've pointed out Ty. There may be some posts as to which even moderators are confused whether the rep is needed or not (face it, you guys are human). But there are some posts which anyone can clearly point out that, they do not require reps.
Just for example, not pointing out anybody::

We also do have a overall of 49 moderator here. Most of PC's mods are much more active than members. So if each mod is given the power to "view" the reputations given in his forum alone, then he can easily decipher it to be an unneeded number and warn the members about it.

Mod : Member Ratio = 50 : 3000 (Since most of the users are not active and many ID's have been changed or merged).
=1 : 60. So I think half of this could easily be managed by mods. I still like this idea and I'm all for it but let's see what other members think of it. Also extremely active moderators like Kyogre-Chan, etc could be given the power to view mroe forums than his.

If you give a good reputation to this post saying "Good idea, my thoughts exactly", it may lead to some debate.

10/10 for Kylieishiveness XD

Rep given :: "u r like sO pop".

On the other hand, can't even a newbie notice that this rep was not needed. These kind of reputations are "ABUSING THE REP". But it'll be a very hazardous job for super-moderators and above to keep track of everything but they can just keep an eye on things whenever they are online and I almost always see one super-moderator(or above) online.

~ CC

[Lion Heart]

Not on topic or anything, since I have no further input into the conversation other thn it should have an eye kept on it.

I'd just like to point out that the with my time zone (+10) there are many times I'm online and there is no one of authority online at all, not even a mod.

Usually, Ty is on, but at times there is simply no one, only ordinary members like me.

[mvtm]

I like to point out , one thing , whenever exists Rep will exist Rep Abuse, you cant to stop everymember abusing , lets see how many members we got here.

Theres thousands of posibilities,i think Rep should exist , its a nice adittion and so far i havent seen a wave of bad reps , i think right now your having rep supervision or something like that , if you want let it be , but rep surpervision can only work if the mod or s mod , lower staff have acesss to the vB control panel. And in adition to that its a hard work

[Porygon]

Mwar, ya may as well keep it. Although, I think that maybe less rep should be given per rep increase/decrease. Mine was skyrocketed to this with… erm, 9 increases thereabouts. People should only have this level of rep if they truly deserve it…

[Lion Heart]

That could be fixed by having only mods and admins etc allowed to give/take rep.

[ashley03]

That could be fixed by having only mods and admins etc allowed to give/take rep.

^i agree alittle,but then the friends of the mods. would have lots of rep. while the little people(noobs,people not always online,ect.) would have little rep.

[Lion Heart]

Higher staff could watch what the mods are doing, it'd alot be easier since it'd be alot easier for Higher staff to watch mods, than for mods to watch members.

[Chrono Cr@cker]

I think that maybe less rep should be given per rep increase/decrease.

That is an extremely good point which I myself wanted to make. According to me this is how rep power should increase.

1 Per every 200 posts
1 Per 60 days of being in the forum
1 Per 100 Rep (Or maybe 60)

~ CC

[John Denver]

Gettin rid of rep is too hasty an action...I'd say just get rid of the ability to give bad rep...

Mainly cause I'm sick of all the nooBs running at me complaining that their pwecious feewings were hurtsed...

[smithy.boy]

i dont see anything wrongwith it

[jadedxmemoriz]

Getting rid of bad rep? Would be pointless since everyone would be getting good rep all of a sudden. It wouldn't be fair.
I think all members should be able to see who gave the reps, so then others wouldn't really want to abuse rep that much.
The amount of rep you have shouldn't conflict with your rep power, since there are some membesr who post alot and is very active, but never really got much rep. I say go with the join date. That's more fair.

[Cyndaquil]

We maybe could make so that only Reps could be given to moderators, admins, presidents, etc. (VIPs)...? (But just as a try then)
And another idea, maybe you need to ok all reps you are getting, so you could stop those "Here's reps!!!!"...

And just one more thing, that was all.. xD

[Castrainer]

No, get rid of it.
Reputation abuse sucks, and those stupid Green Squares are... annoying...

[Aaron5367]

I like the rep system idea... but its not fair, Admins look at thier rep when you give them bad and them be big meanie buts to you on PMing, Only admins should have rep acess, and most people around here abuse reputation...

~Aaron~

[Dawson]

The rep-system is a part of PC that a lot of people enjoy. Just like the post count, removing it would cause an uproar from members.

[husk1442]

personally I think rep needs a restart. Now I'm getting people who bad rep me for rating their team and choosing a different favorite pokemon than them.

I mean the morality and integrity that was supposed to allow the rep system to work has all but, vanished

[PsiUmbreon]

Whenever there is rep points there will be abuse of the system. Tho it is also fun... I'm kinda undecided and don't really care at this point whether it stays or goes.

[Lust]

I say that we keep it. We can disable if we don't lke it anyways.

[Natsuki]

Well I'm one of the ten members so far who want the rep system to go bye-bye. XD I just feel it's pitting us against each other. It's such a sad thing really. To me, everyone in the community is like family, you all mean a lot to me, as silly as it may sound, but it's true. And when we fight with each other like we have over such a silly thing as rep...it's just awful. ;o;

So, I vote we ditch the rep system and live happily ever after. XD

~Kelsey

[ravenstorture]

I say keep it. The people who abuse it usually get in worse trouble over other things and will eventually get banned. If you are immature enough where you can't handle such a simple thing as a rep system, then I feel bad for ya.

[NiNGi]

I am not hearing so many problems with the rep system lately, as I know this issue has been thoroughly discussed sometime ago... I don't mind the rep system, and I wouldn't mind if it goes either... I can't vote for any of the two in the poll because I'd call myself neutral.

I would find it reasonable if the rep system is removed because it would stop all those popularity competitions, and I know now this may not be on-topic but in that case I'd even say that keeping MoTM would be hypocrite as it is kind of the same matter... o.O'

[husk1442]

there is also crap like this:

Staff Feedback Thread III (http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?p=960478#post960478) March 22nd, 2005 09:07 PM

What do you mean.Think before you type.I had a guess it was you.


(a negative rep spaced so that you can read it)

You get this stuff and have no clue what they are talking about and have no clue who sent it.

Reps are mainly a way for people you release their anger anonymously

[Lord Jaws]

What if the amount of reps per day was limited further? Say you only had 3 a day to give out, wouldnt most people want to make sure they count? Im not sure what the exact amount allowed currently is, but its alot more than 3.

[ryan]

i think we should keep rep. rep is kinda fun. i get bad rep every so often for no good reason. it's annoying to get bad rep when you're debating something with somebody, and you take the other side, keep it respectful, and get bad rep. that's just immature. but, it's fun to have i think. i think the best way to deal with the problem would be (if it was even possible) to have the users' name with every rep delivered. because most people who give bad rep for stupid reasons would think twice before doing it if their name was attatched to it.

[husk1442]

I like that idea better

Rep is ok but, immature brats ruin it for everyone. Especially people who you haven't done anything to and are guessing (why?) who offended them. If you can't read their username and give the person you wanted negitive rep, get off the board.

[Lord Jaws]

Yeah attaching names to rep is a good idea. If I give a bad rep its coz I believe it was deserved. So Id have no problem with that idea.

[Cassie-chan]

It needs to go...

Why must people complain everytime they get a bad rep? If they didn't I might even use the rep system~

[Bleach and Sunshine]

Yeah attaching names to rep is a good idea. If I give a bad rep its coz I believe it was deserved. So Id have no problem with that idea.
That is a good idea but the staff said that that would make it worse.But would it be better if there was a way to see which members are mature like wouever could go to the Tdome can be given that right bucause they would be mature enough.

[jadedxmemoriz]

Umm..members who have access to the T-Dome are not depended on their maturity or age. They simply just PM higher staff. If they're abusing it they'll get kicked from the forum. I think that's it..
It's basically not fair if only staff could see who gave them rep. Why can't you allow us members to see it too? I mean..that way peple would wantto think twice before giving pointless bad rep but encourages use of rep abuse by giving pointless good rep..
Whatdd'ya know? Nothing works..

[Kyogre-chan]

Usually, Ty is on, but at times there is simply no one, only ordinary members like me.I'm on quite frequently, don't let the lack of posting behind invisible mode fool you. Also, I balance PC with 4 other forums, 2 of which I'm required to post on due to my staff status there, so I can't be here all the time, but I spend a majority of my time here, and to a lesser extent, at mF. ^_^;
Umm..members who have access to the T-Dome are not depended on their maturity or age. They simply just PM higher staff. If they're abusing it they'll get kicked from the forum. I think that's it..
It's basically not fair if only staff could see who gave them rep. Why can't you allow us members to see it too? I mean..that way peple would wantto think twice before giving pointless bad rep but encourages use of rep abuse by giving pointless good rep..
Whatdd'ya know? Nothing works..Because, is there any reason why we should? So you can return the rep? Sorry, but that's rep abuse. Also, staff are chosen because they're trustworthy, which is why we can see who gives us rep. Actually, mods weren't able to see who repped them until recently - only higher staff could. o.o;

[Lion Heart]

access to the T-Dome are not depended on their maturity or age. They simply just PM higher staff. If they're abusing it they'll get kicked from the forum
True about how you get in, but the way you get kicked out is more along the lines of opposing someone with power on the site.

I think if we could see who bad repped us, we'd all just go track them down and bad rep them back which is a bad idea.

[Frostweaver]

Well, if we can't get rid of it, why not reverse the order?

Have everyone start off at maximum, and then let the staff member give out bad reps to those who are acting stupid/ignorant/rude/rule-breaking/etc... More like a "warning" system instead of a "rep system" but at least it works a bit better than the crap we have now... >>

For those who don't think that anything's wrong with the current system: think this way. Is it naturall for half of PC to be getting full on reps? =o The rep system is suppose to show who is outstanding, not "oh c'mon you really should have at least 5 blocks of green rep by now... you've joined for one month already!"

Also, look at someone who frequents Other Chat often, and compare his/her rep to someone who will go nowhere else but Pokemon Trading Card, or Other Games forum... *HUGE* difference in rep... More you frequent Other Chat, Comments and Feedback, and Mixed Voting Polls, the more reps you will gain *by default*. Obviously, another huge flaw in the system.

[Lion Heart]

Not a bad idea Frosty, but I think that would create tension between members and staff.

Perhaps a second bar could be added?

The one we have now, aswell as a seperate one which can only be added to or reduced by mods/admins etc..

[Frostweaver]

I think that would create tension between members and staff.

That's what the mod are hired/appointed to do... why should we have them wasting space in the View Forum Leaders page if they aren't going to act against those who are against the rules of PC. If they aren't willing to do it, or is too "weak willed" to do it, then perhaps it's time to reconsider the choice for them to be a staff to begin with.

What tension can possibly exist as long as people act their part and do their role... -_-; Then again, knowing PC, we'll get...

A: "That Rep Down is way too unnecessary! Well, like, c'mon! He's only banned 4 times, spammed 6 forums and flamed 23 members! Give him a chance!"
B: "Yeah"
C: "Whatever A said"
D: "The staff who did this is the worst!"

And a whole mob of mindlessness roams around like mad zombies until somebody get demodded/banned ^_^

[Kyogre-chan]

Please explain to me how the separate bars would work. ^_^;

And I'm still all for getting rid of the bias meter.

[Frostweaver]

It just means that one of the bars is like what we have now.

The other bar is a bar that starts off full. Then for every time a high staff gives you a bad rep because (hopefully) you did something against the rules of PC, then they can give you a "rep down" on this new bar. If this bar is short, then it means you did a lot of bad things in PC, but just not enough to be banned (yet.) It's like a warning system...

Of course, best choice possible is just to get rid of it. But when, what will happen to those poor Fame Seekers? Oh well I'm very sure that they can find some other way to gain fame for themselves without the rep system =D

[Kyogre-chan]

Ah, you mean like the Karma system on Simple Machines? To me, it seems like another way of fueling the flaming of staff. ^_^;

Oh, and a question to those of you who wish to keep the Reputation system... Why do you want to keep it?

[Lion Heart]

The reason I'd rather it stay is because it's a fun little feature.

That's honestly my reason for wanting it kept.

As human beings, we should be allowed all the fun little features we want.

[Kyogre-chan]

I understand that you people have fun with it, but why? The whole purpose of it is to commemorate a good post by yourself, and the opposite for bad posts. I don't see the fun in somebody saying that they like your post, unless you're talking about people giving undeserved reps. That's abuse.

[Frostweaver]

I really wouldn't mind it being here at all if it's used properly ^_^; It's a good way for people to know who got the brains to speak with (at least) decent English in a post with a little bit of common sense and thinking to go along with the good English.

Say that you're new to PC or just new to this particular sub-forum. Well who should these people look up to? Or perhaps you posted a question that got no "absolutely correct" answer, especially in the Pokemon games forum regarding a good Pokemon or team buildup. Well, whose answers are worth your time reading?

The rep system (if used properly) shall tell you. Those with high reps will give answers that are more likely to be a good answer compare to those with a negative rep. With the rep system on your side, you can automatically ignore those stupid "Oh Charizard should always have Blast Burn" suggestions even if you know nothing about the Pokemon game. Using the rep system, you know that those suggestions are mostly an ignorant answer that shall be ignored, or needs to be educated.

Problem right now is that with the rep system used incorrectly, some fools are making themselves look good and are causing negative influences among others who need the guidance. Hence, the problem better be solved asap (which is preferable if possible), or might as well take it out before these negative influences further the damage that has already been done.

[Lion Heart]

Ty, I said it's a fun little system, I never said I have fun with it, it's just cool to have around _buddy_

frosty, if that was how it worked, all new people would be looked over, no matter how great they are at what they do, because people will skip over them and onto people who have higher rep.

[Alex_]

My opinion: Keep it,if someone is abusing the rep system put them in the usergroup to where they cant give rep. If you dont like your rep,turn it off. Simple as that, no need to completely get rid of it :\

[Lion Heart]

According to a bad rep I got people won't demote people for it.

Is usergroup like Mods/Admins etc?

If not ignore this.

[Alex_]

Well then the staff needs the check who's doing that and take care of it.

[Lion Heart]

The staff knows.

He's too highly respected for some reason for anything to happen.

I think a 2nd bar should be added in and that can only be altered by mods/admins etc, so it's like the "Official" bar of how your posts are, and it will be the mods/admins jobs to rep ALL posts worthy of a good rep or not, not just skip peoples because they aren't their friend.

That way, this bar could be kept, and known more as a friends bar or something.

Eh?

[Sawyer]

hmm... Lion Heart's got a good idea. i say, we either reset all the rep stuff, but keep it, so everyone gets a fresh start, or do what LH said. i'm for keeping it; i love looking at my profile and seeing my blocks, and saying "It's all because of your graphics skills <3" XD oh, and i love it so much that i named my blocks o.o (yes, all eleven xD)

[Eon-Rider]

Actually, I have a different idea. These days, we all have too much. I think we should start from the start again.

[Alex_]

Shane dont you think your a little too full of yourself? :\
I wouldnt mind ressetting it,but whats the point? if you dont like your rep or you are getting bad rep just turn it off.

[Lion Heart]

Resetting has no point in it.

All the people with high rep will just get the rep straight back really, it might take a week or so, but it'll get there.

I say a secondary bar is the way to go.

[Alex_]

I agree with you in a way,your right the members who have alotta rep will get it back soon,but there is really no need to not have it.And LH I dont see why you are complaining,you have a decent amount of rep.

[Lion Heart]

I'm not complaining about how much rep I have, my complaint is over the abuse of it, I would know how it feels Dakota went beserk on me.

[Alex_]

Hmm,what I think,is that PC should make a Rep Abuse thread and sticky it. And there you could report someone abusing their rep,and the staff warns them or something.

[Sawyer]

xD yeah, i was just kidding... i'd never be that obsessed xD

[smithy.boy]

you heard =what i had to say but who gave me rep, please pm me. you must have boosted mine up atleast 650 points

[Porygon]

Mwar, I like LH's idea. I mean, I haven't made any posts that really deserve rep, and I'm sure the case is the same for a few other people, so the secondary bar would be great to show the people who truly deserve high rep.

[Kyogre-chan]

I say a secondary bar is the way to go.Why? As you've seen yourself, staff aren't people to put past being rep abusers. Also, that'd be nearly impossible to implement, seeing as there aren't currently any hacks for this, and even if there were, it'd take quite some time for it to be reinstalled every time we upgrade.
I agree with you in a way,your right the members who have alotta rep will get it back soon,but there is really no need to not have it.Actually, as I said before, giving out random reps (good or bad) is abuse, and thank you for giving me a basis to argue on. ^_^ Like you said, they'll keep abusing the system until they get all their reputation back, which is more proof that we should get rid of it.
Hmm,what I think,is that PC should make a Rep Abuse thread and sticky it. And there you could report someone abusing their rep,and the staff warns them or something.See above. Random reps - good or bad - are abusive. On one hand, nobody would report random good reps, but on the other hand, many members will complain about virtually any bad rep they get, which not only annoys others, but also encourages the abuser to continue abusing, thus expanding the argument.

[Shinin]

Let's keep the rep. And remember to give me bad rep!

[Kyogre-chan]

Sorry Shinin, but asking for any rep - good or bad - is abusing the system. ^_^;

[Freenaturearts]

I'm with pory on the rep. I know I'm nice but I'v been given a super high rep for my posts, in many ways I think I do deserve it, but it kinda makes me look like I'v been here a long time and I'v just started becoming active since the start of this monthXD.
I'm really still new to everything and I'v just been hanging around everywhere, Dakota helped me alot in getting to explore but though I know I'm nice, some of the reps really whernt nessesary^^; (Though I must say I thank everyone who gave me reps)
I think it would be a good idea to make it take alot longer to get to the highest goal area, maybe 2000 rep points or something ^^; that way the reputation will be more true to the user and the reputation will be after long priods of time.


.... I think when I joined we got done with this complaint on rep points O_O?!
. But since I'm here and I feel better about things, I just thought I would post my idea ^^;; A little something considering the last time I didint post on this.

However I think all in all the reputation should stay, like the people with more then 2 bad reps on there points I stay away from, who knows what I would be now if I didint see those?
The reputation helps in keeping nice people away from the bad that have horid reputations. And helps in showing who's new to the site and who's most active, I just think it should take a little longer to get to being a amazing rep, cause in my opinion ^^; you guys havent even seen me go threw my worced times. And if I begin with a amazing rep that makes me look like the worlds most honest person, it might catch alot of people off gaurd when I get ticked XD.
I love having my reps , but I do see some loopholes that would be better off if it took a little longer for everyone to get to this rep:points to self:


This post dos not mean I want a lower rep, I'm happy with myself here LOLXD
But I do want to see it take a little longer to get here in the future, it will help alot of confusion.

[Porygon]

Mwar, I have over 2,000 rep, I think that that's still too little for the top level. Maybe around 5,000 at least.

And, mwar, again, there shoulldn't be so much rep given per increase/decrease. Makes it too easy to look better than ya actually are *points to self*

XD

[Kyogre-chan]

The top level? I assume you mean reputation ranks, right? You reach the final level at 10,000, and right now, there are about five or so people at that level, one of them being me. ^_^; I didn't ask for the reputation though, and now I'm nearly at 13,000. o.o; I'll admit, I was one of many people who liked giving out random good rep, until I found out the true purpose behind rep, after which I stopped.

Shifting to another angle, I wouldn't mind the system if it was more… administered. As in, a maximum of 10 or so rep power per each member, and a limit of 5 reps per day. The lack of rep power limit is why I rarely - if at all - give rep any more. Seriously, 450~ rep power is just too much. =\

[Shinin]

Sorry Shinin, but asking for any rep - good or bad - is abusing the system. ^_^;

But who really wants bad rep?

[Porygon]

Mwar, I was referring to the blocks, actually.

And, mwar, Shinin, ya obviously want it… yar also trying yar best to deserve it.

[Shinin]

The top level? I assume you mean reputation ranks, right? You reach the final level at 10,000, and right now, there are about five or so people at that level, one of them being me. ^_^; I didn't ask for the reputation though, and now I'm nearly at 13,000. o.o; I'll admit, I was one of many people who liked giving out random good rep, until I found out the true purpose behind rep, after which I stopped.

If you have 13,000 rep, why do you have 1 grey block?

[Porygon]

Mwar, it's black, and duh, she shut it off.

[Shinin]

Oh. I thought grey was between red & green.

[Porygon]

It is. It's difficult to obtain, though. Most rep decreases hurl ya past the grey zone and into the red.

[Kyogre-chan]

Nobody wants bad rep, but still, it's common sense to not ask for rep, good or bad.

And yeah, I had my rep hidden. I re-enabled it to show you, but since you're offline... *disables again* ^^;

[Frostweaver]

Nobody wants bad rep

Oh admit it... you know that you're more unique and special if you got 50 red blocks instead of everyone else's 50 green blocks =D

Actually... someone here mentioned how you know who to stay away from if you see someone with more than 2 red blocks (if that's even possible... the worst I've seen yet aren't banned is just 1 red block). Technically, that is the right thing for reputation... However...

You know... the latest controversies in PC within the pass 6 months (with the exception to random spammers who would be banned before someone can even give them a bad rep) are actually all involved by people well in the 1000s for reps, having the longest bar possible... yet all the trouble/controversies are revolving them (let's not forget how half of them are also pure-staff/ex-staff related problems.)

I wonder what's wrong there... Frosty do not know... It can't possibly be the rep system's fault though! They CANNOT POSSIBLY FAIL YOU KNOW! NO WAY!

[Kyogre-chan]

That's quite some point you've got there, frosty. As others have said, the rep system causes nothing but arguments and contraversy.

And you're wrong. The pretty black box pwnz all. XD

[Kylie-chan]

Pory, Ty is, actually, contrary to his opinion, male~ =D
And there are new levels, Dakota edited them ^^
Like, there's a 20K level, which I have =D

[Kyogre-chan]

Such a reputation is more proof that the abuse exists. =\

[Kylie-chan]

Good rep abuse, yes, but Ty, don't you dare imply I got my rep through good rep abuse alone >>

[Frostweaver]

Such a reputation is more proof that the abuse exists. =\

Well the high rep level doesn't really support that the abuse exist... as you can theortically make so many good posts that you have earned so much reputation points. If you're trying to argue something, always double check to see if it actually supports what you're trying to argue about XD;

I am not sure how much reps all those staffs/ex-staffs have, as I never bothered to scroll over to see the level. I just look at the length of the bar =p

Still my point remains true... can a rep system supporter please answer my question regarding why did *all* the controversies in PC, excluding those started by spammers who would be banned before they can even get a bad rep, are involved with people who got high reps and never those who got hardly any rep?

[Lion Heart]

I'll have a go at it.

I think that the controversies apart from new spammers, are caused by people with higher rep as they have been here longer.
By this, I mean, they have had more of a time period to have gained the good rep in.

Maybe these people simply got fed up with someone and just let it out?

Perhaps they couldn't keep it bottled up anymore, as they may have been a role model member, and didn't want that to go away.

[Imakuni?]

I believe it should stay. WHy? because its a good way for members to give/recieve feedback. Sure, there will be a few idiots who choose to abuse it, but what do we do? Report it to an Admin/otherstaff figure, who can either remove the abusive members abilities to use reputation/other punishment as they feel is appropriate.
(this opinion does not reflect/reflect upon the opinions of the Pokecommunty members, and is the sole opinion of Imakuni?)

[PrinceOfDarkness]

I believe the REP system should stay. Its like to see if someone is a good person or if someone is a bad person. (I am just hoping everyone is a good person.

[Aisu K.]

I have a suggestion. It may have been presented before, but maybe before a rep is given, it will be sent in to admins first, and if it is reasonable, it will be done, but if not, it will be rejected.

[Freenaturearts]

Wasint this place closed?

Btw I'm still for keeping the rep . They help alot more then harm.

Good idea o.o. That would help out with the people who just post reps for barly any reason , and help people in having rep points they really deserve^_^

[Frostweaver]

I'll have a go at it.

I think that the controversies apart from new spammers, are caused by people with higher rep as they have been here longer.
By this, I mean, they have had more of a time period to have gained the good rep in.

Thank you for stating just how is the rep system failing at the moment... -_-;

Since when did long time staying here result in automatic-default high quality posting? Time doesn't certify anything... =D

As for the admin suggestion, if the admins are paid to do their job then certainly. However, right now they're actually volunteers and it's inhumane to force them to sort out hundreds of rep-contributes every single day. In fact, some of them are coughing out their own money just to get this volunteer job... poor them.

[Lion Heart]

Frosty you took it out of context and didn't take what I meant into consideration.

What I meant was the people who have been here longer have had more of a chance to have gained rep and show there true colours, someone who has been here a year has most likely made more worthwhile posts than someone who joined today.

[Kyogre-chan]

Sure, there will be a few idiots who choose to abuse it, but what do we do? Report it to an Admin/otherstaff figure, who can either remove the abusive members abilities to use reputation/other punishment as they feel is appropriate.Ah, but that's where the problems come in. You see, people think that random undeserved good reputation is fine, yet random undeserved bad reputation is a crime. They're both equally abusive, but people would never go so far as to report good rep abuse. It's not about bad rep abuse, it's about rep abuse in general. People don't seem to realise that by giving out random reps, they're abusing the system, and I've tried educating people many times on this factor, yet they won't listen. But then again, that's my opinion, so I'll leave you with a basis to argue on.

[Frostweaver]

What I meant was the people who have been here longer have had more of a chance to have gained rep and show there true colours, someone who has been here a year has most likely made more worthwhile posts than someone who joined today.

2 people joined at the same time (let's say, a year ago.) One of them stayed only in Other Chat, and the other stayed only in Pokemon Fanfiction. 100% of the time, when something like this happens, *ALWAYS* the one in Other Chat will gain a higher reputation. Hah... it's a miracle =3

And it's a bit *too much* of a coincidence if you say "well that means the guy in Other Chat made more quality posts than the guy in Pokemon Fanfiction then." Because this happens 100% of the time... =P

(Meh even I myself is an example... I only post outside of Pokemon Fanfiction in this thread, and within a week my rep points seemed to double... well at least the length of the bar seems to have doubled XD Strange isn't it, or did my posts quality went up only in this last week and never in the past years?)

One way to solve all problems: Get rid of it

[Kyogre-chan]

While I don't feel I was addressed in the previous post, I might as well take another poke.

Sadly, your final statement has proven to be a recurring (and yet, quite hypocratic) disagreement, pushed forth by those who 'worked hard' to earn their reputation. In other words, lots of spreading reputation around so they could hit the same person with more abuse. The hypocrasy is that most of those people scream "Rep abuser!" when somebody gives them a bad rep, whether it was deserved or not.

*sighs* Such an omnipotent community we have here... =\

[Lion Heart]

Frosty, your example can be shot down.

You stay in Fan Fiction right? Well, OC is alot more popular than FF..

What I mean here is more people see thepost, the more people that see the post, the more likely it is someone may rep you from it because more people = More of a chance someone liked the post.

You can't possibly compare things like that since not alot of people even go to Fan Fiction, which means there is less of a chance of someone seeing your post and liking it.

OFF TOPIC: Why did you give up on the Battle Analysis' in Strats and MS's?

[Kylie-chan]

Even though I shouldn't really support the other side [;P] I do agree with Frosty. =3 Other Chat is like the home of all popular people. o_o;; Who are inclined to be spammy, but in their own way~ =P

[Kyogre-chan]

You just blew frosty's points out of proportion. =\ Look at it this way. If somebody wrote a good fanfic, they'd get good rep for it, right? That's the purpose of reputation. However, in OC, it's quite rare that somebody makes a post worth applauding.

Besides, you should see the reputation comments left behind.

"Here, have some rep! ~{username}"
"Just thought I'd give you some rep to boost ya' up! ~{username}"
"Spread this around and then give some back. ~{username}"

Funny thing is, most of those reps come from Other Chat, whereas the rep abusers tend to avoid Pokémon Fan Fiction. Get it?

[Frostweaver]

Frosty, your example can be shot down.

You stay in Fan Fiction right? Well, OC is alot more popular than FF..

What I mean here is more people see thepost, the more people that see the post, the more likely it is someone may rep you from it because more people = More of a chance someone liked the post.

You can't possibly compare things like that since not alot of people even go to Fan Fiction, which means there is less of a chance of someone seeing your post and liking it.

OFF TOPIC: Why did you give up on the Battle Analysis' in Strats and MS's?

Unless absolutely *no one* visit Pokemon fanfiction at all, then you can still earn reps just as fast in theory. There aren't as much visitors in the fanfic forum, that's true. But at the same time, this means that your post is viewed more easily as there will be less traffic to push your post to another page so people will not simply skip over your post. If you start a thread, it'll take a *huge* amount of time before it's pushed down to the next page in fanfic in comparison to other chat because at most you get 2 or 3 new fanfic started in a day. Fanfics also get an advantage that you can double post and the thread is almost always nothing but you. Your post quality really shines easily because there aren't any posts but you in that thread (unless it's a chain story but there is only 1 chain story ever.) In other chat, it is true how there are more people who view your post, but at the same time there's many other competition in terms of "eye catching." Also, PC has a poor tendency to skip everything and jump right to the last page and only read the last page in the thread, so if your post is in page 2 and the numerous amount of posts have pushed the thread to page 4 already, well safe to say that you have lost all chance to gain a rep in that post.

So in theory, you get as much reps as you do anywhere else in Pokemon fanfic. Regardless of where you are, you *should* be getting the same amount of reps. However, that's not happening because there's a flaw somewhere in the system, which needs to be fixed. If the flaw can't be fixed, then you decide to either live with the flaw, or just destroy the whole thing along with the flaw.

As for the off-topic thing:

it's because I no longer go to the Strategy forum? I am still interested in the metagame, but I quitted playing it for quite awhile now... I could have continued, but then I really don't see why I can't just quit a volunteer work since it's just... volunteer work. Technically, the mod should be in charge of establishing new FAQ or other various methods to assist the members within that forum, which is something all staffs should strive to work for. Afterall, mods are elected/appointed (or bribed their way) to do these type of things. When I'm no longer the mod there, well obviously I don't have to continue working on it. Fanfic is more... fulfilling. You have to learn equally as much, if not more... Have to be equally keen and calculating just like the game, but only in Pokemon fanfic can you actually learn some facts that can benefit you outside of a game. The Pokemon game can never do that...

Someone of great sentimental value asked me to promise this person and stay there to assist the game forums... I did my end to the promise and have fulfilled it. Now that the person isn't here nor did she remember any of these things, I'm no longer bounded to the hideous job of modding there either... I never liked it in the first place... But that's all in the past now.

[Lion Heart]

Frosty, we don't even have a mod there now.

I don't think you are taking what I say the right way.

Fan Fic is less viewed, so obviously, there is less of a chance of you getting repped for your work there.

That's what I mean.

[Frostweaver]

Shouldn't you be taking that concern with the high staffs and not me? Plus, for ages Strategy forum is *self governed.* I only used 4 functions in the entire time I modded there anyway... sticky, unsticky, open and close. It can actually go on fine without a mod... hehe, not like the high staffs know what's going on in there ever, and i doubt if they know that the strategy forum even exist at all.

I don't think you are taking what I say the right way.

Fan fic is less viewed, so obvioulys, there is less posts made in there everyday, therefore raising the chances of people reading your posts and not someone else's. People can notice your post easily because no one else posted, so you can get repped for your work easily. In a busier forum with threads that are certainly accumulating in length, 99% of the people will skip the entire thread and jump to the last post, and only read the post directly above of them, and then they'll go on to posting already. With this fact in mind, more people maybe visiting and having a higher chance to getting repped for your work there, there's also a lower chances for these many people to even notice your work to begin with.

Everything balances out in the end. You can get as much rep in Pokemon Fanfic as Other Chat. Assuming that the system got no flaw, that is...

[Kyogre-chan]

*pokes head back in*

Actually, there is a major flaw in the system.

Mass amounts of abusive good rep are dealt out every day, yet nobody does anything about them. For example, I made a thread in Other Voting Polls, titled "Your current reputation?" I clearly asked people not to give abusive good rep there, but guess what? They still did. Lots of it. In the end, said thread was locked, and never to be revived again.

Then comes the bad rep abuse. For each 25 or so abusive good reps given, there's 1 abusive bad rep given. Here's where the flaw lies. A victim of bad rep abuse can simply go to a staff member, and get that reputation deleted. Simple as that. I mean, even if the bad rep _wasn't_ abusive, it'll likely be deleted, or at the very least, you'll have 10 people demanding to know why you bad repped so-and-so.

It's like a see-saw. You place all the undeserved good rep on one side, and _all_ bad rep (including the deserved ones) on the other side. The rest is obvious. It's an unbalanced system, and the abuse shows no signs of letting up. All it does is cause fights and arguments. Do we really want that in an already warring community? =\

[BritneyPikachu119]

dUH! How would Picahuuuu survive without the pweccious green bars! Britney wud never g0 0ut wiff me if I din't have like a million gajillion squillion good rep points!

I LOVE BRITNERY!

I LUV PIKACHU!!!!!!!!

[pichugirl]

I say Miyu-Chan is right this should be closed.

[jasonresno]

i love the rep system, even tho i get bombarded with neg reps.

[Lion Heart]

Frosty, with less people viewing the thread, less of a chance of being repped occurs.

Regardless of whether "what you say is viewed more", because not many people go there in the first place.

Ty, not everyone complains about bad rep.

People complain when people take advantage of it and continuosly bad rep you over a single post, they hunt down other posts made by you just because of a single post you've made elsewhere, that's where the complaining comes in.

I know Ryan ges his rep deleted, which I find unfair, he got one of my bad reps deleted though BOTH were justified, that kind of thing needs to stop.

I personally think we need an unbiased/multiple unbiased sources who are the only people in the community able to give rep or take it.

Though that idea would not work as people would simply befriend the unbiased sources.

[Jolty-kun]

I want the rep system to go really XD, i once made a thread in Q&F, saying that it was going over the top, i dont really need to repeat what i said there, because its obvious, rep kinda means nothing now, and it all started getting outta hand in august, i can remember it as easy as that.. XD, but nm, its not really my choice, so id better back off XD

[Kyogre-chan]

It's alright Jolty, you can have your say. ^_^;

LH, take a look back through CQ&F sometime. There have been countless threads saying something like, "omgz dis persn gave me bad rep i didn flam i told dat guy 2 stop bein a twit!!!11!!!" And that's in CQ&F alone. Bad rep causes a lot of conflict and flaming, when in fact, good rep is 10x more abused than bad rep is, but nobody seems to have a problem with good rep abuse. As I stated before, good rep abuse is like bad rep abuse; it's abuse. The reputation system is a privilege, not a right, and by abusing the system, you're proving that you don't care about losing the aforementioned privilege. Seriously, even senior members (who know darn well that they're in the wrong) abuse the system, which encourages newbies to do the same. It's an endless chain of abuse. =\

[Freenaturearts]

O-o;;; I hate to do this Bgtfamily ... but it'll really prove my point I said back there.

I was given three reputation points over the last week that I feel I did not deserve.
Piro gave me a rep point to vote for him, but I had already voted .
Bgtfamily just gave me one resently, and didint menshen why ^^;;, though it was from this thred.
And then I got a comment rep point for my how to draw thing but then end of it was kinda making me feel like I got it just cause the person was bord.

I also got three a little while after I joined that just said:Hi! have some rep!!

^^ I hate to "rat" those out but if there is any way to lower my reputation points by 7 ,let me know^_^;;
I really feel I dont deserve those for what I did ^^; I just posted my statement and comments questions threds ect.
Normal things that I think dont deserve a reputation.

[Kyogre-chan]

Piro gave me a rep point to vote for him, but I had already voted .Last I checked, that was considered cheating. =\
Bgtfamily just gave me one resently, and didint menshen why ^^;;, though it was from this thred.Giving out undeserved reps in a thread against undeserved reps? Seems pretty ironic to me.
I also got three a little while after I joined that just said:Hi! have some rep!!"Hi! I don't know you, nor do I think that your post deserves this, but for the sake of abusing the system, have some rep! ~Kyogre-chan"
^^ I hate to "rat" those out but if there is any way to lower my reputation points by 7 ,let me know^_^;;You could try asking a higher staff member to delete it for ya', but I don't think many of 'em would do that…

[Lion Heart]

That is cheating...

Seriously you can't ask people to vote for you in a rep point can you?

I got told I'd be booted out if I PMed people and asked..

Since people are using the rep system as more of a... "You're a cool person", or a "Thanks" system, maybe we could just rename it?

I still think a 2nd bar which only mods/admins can add/take to/from would be the way to go if we wanted a safer system.

Since I know that even they abuse the system maybe they should talk about whether the post deserves to be repped with each other before someone does it, that way, only truly unique posts will be repped.

Which would mean the fellas from Strats and MSs would be noticed a fair bit more since we are the ones doing most of the unique and creative thinking around here, aswell as the writers and poets.

[Mullet]

That is cheating...

Seriously you can't ask people to vote for you in a rep point can you?

I got told I'd be booted out if I PMed people and asked..

Since people are using the rep system as more of a... "You're a cool person", or a "Thanks" system, maybe we could just rename it?

I still think a 2nd bar which only mods/admins can add/take to/from would be the way to go if we wanted a safer system.

Since I know that even they abuse the system maybe they should talk about whether the post deserves to be repped with each other before someone does it, that way, only truly unique posts will be repped.

Which would mean the fellas from Strats and MSs would be noticed a fair bit more since we are the ones doing most of the unique and creative thinking around here, aswell as the writers and poets.

Dude if it were like that, we would have an overload of rep. We make sexy movesets all the time, in Strats, and Movesets!

What I think should happen is the rep bars be reset (and not abused), or just removed all together. :\

[Poke]

Frankly I wouldnt care either which way. Does it really matter? If you have a problem with it just turn it off. But, it doesnt matter.......

[Asura Nirosuki]

As i feel about this...i say that if people are having problems with rep ponits then they sould make a voting poll of it.If they did already....well then they did that already uh yeah.*sheepishly walks out*

[Kyogre-chan]

Seriously you can't ask people to vote for you in a rep point can you?I think you mean "bribe", and bribing people in the election would normally mean the end of your campaign. But, I'm not in charge, so it's not my place to say.
I got told I'd be booted out if I PMed people and asked..Booted out, as in, banned? Who told you that? They have no right in doing so. Yes, PMing random people results in disqualification, but a ban is just blaitant power abuse.
Since people are using the rep system as more of a... "You're a cool person", or a "Thanks" system, maybe we could just rename it?To my knowledge, you'd have to dish out another truckload of money for permission to legally edit the vBulletin files, therefore making this possible.
I still think a 2nd bar which only mods/admins can add/take to/from would be the way to go if we wanted a safer system.And I still think you should read my earlier posts. There isn't currently a hack for this, and even if there was… Well, think about the report hack. That's basically vital, yet it took forever to be reinstalled. If something so important can take so long, then how long do you think this kind of hack would take?
Since I know that even they abuse the system maybe they should talk about whether the post deserves to be repped with each other before someone does it, that way, only truly unique posts will be repped.See above.
Which would mean the fellas from Strats and MSs would be noticed a fair bit more since we are the ones doing most of the unique and creative thinking around here, aswell as the writers and poets.Strange. A while ago, you were saying that writers and poets are less likely to be repped. How does this work? o.o;

[Lion Heart]

I think they meant booted out of the election.
Disqualified per say.

With the system as it is, the writers etc get repped less due to less posts being viewed as it's not the most popular forum ever y'know.

But with how the admins/mods are the only ones able to give/take rep, they'd obviously have to look through all forums (Or just the oens they mod), and rep like that, which means the unique writers/moveset makers etc.. (The people who do more than just chat), would end up with higher rep.

Like how it should be.

[Kyogre-chan]

Oh? We could easily take all rep-giving abilities from members, reset everyone's rep to 0, and then only let staff give out rep, but let's not forget that staff shouldn't be ignored when determining rep abusers. o.o;

[Lion Heart]

I know Staff abuse rep, which is why I suggested a group of Staff members could discuss the giving/taking of rep over a certain post.

It would really narrow things down, and only extremely good posts would even be questioned about being repped.
Or extremely bad ones.

[Kyogre-chan]

The problem is that, with proper usage of the system, hardly any posts would receive rep. =\ Besides, it's not our place to, say, make a thread in the lounge with something along the lines of:

"http://www.pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=1008739&postcount=144
See this post, made by Lion Heart? I think it deserves a good rep."

Also, if that was in place, then discussing giving a bad rep to another staff member would cause a fight.

[Lion Heart]

Yeah, I see your point.

But Staff members shouldn't whinge about things like that though, they shouldn't be Staff if they complain like that.

[Kyogre-chan]

I understand that, but let's not forget that a lot of staff here are kids, and you can't put it past a kid to complain. Yes, I've done more than my share of complaining, and I admit that.

Still, discussing a person's rep behind their back is the same as talking behind their back, and then comes the discussion of who gives the rep, and soforth. =\

If anything, we should bring back the warning system.

[Lion Heart]

Yeah I know half the staff/alot of the staff are kids.

I don't think discussing someones rep is the same as talking behind a persons back, since you are just talking about thesingle post, not the person in general.

If they system went with just admins/mods giving rep/taking rep, the actual person should not be discussed, only the post.

What was the warning system?

[Frostweaver]

But Staff members shouldn't whinge about things like that though, they shouldn't be Staff if they complain like that.

That's another mystery worth starting a whole new thread to discuss about ^_^ I'm *100% certain* that there's something wrong with the current way that we're making all these new mods popping up everywhere O_o; right now we have either 49, or 50 mods? That's pretty insane... Plenty of mods actually agree on this too.

"Oh I had no idea how I became mod. I just log on one day, and POOF! I'm mod O_o;;"

The obscure number of mods pretty much gurantees that there maybe one or two (or more) strange ones running along... and don't forget that many past controversies are related to mods in one way or another. Mods are more reliable, but again that is only in theory once more. Leaving them with the rep system isn't exactly the most appropriate either, as too bad they're also humans who make mistakes on a common daily basis.

If we must insist on keeping a rep system of some sort, then we better have some well detailed guidelines to eliminate all forms of possible abuse... might as well spoonfeed then.

"You may use the rep up button when you see someone telling another member not to bypass the character limit. You may use the rep down button when you see someone bypassing the character limit on a consistent basis after being warned once by another member. You may..." (and other rigid un-fun guidelines go on and on... hopefully we don't have to be so desperate and sad)

[Lion Heart]

If we must insist on keeping a rep system of some sort, then we better have some well detailed guidelines to eliminate all forms of possible abuse... might as well spoonfeed then.

"You may use the rep up button when you see someone telling another member not to bypass the character limit. You may use the rep down button when you see someone bypassing the character limit on a consistent basis after being warned once by another member. You may..." (and other rigid un-fun guidelines go on and on... hopefully we don't have to be so desperate and sad)


If that were to happen, we'd have a place full of mini mods who think they actually have authority over something.

"Oh I had no idea how I became mod. I just log on one day, and POOF! I'm mod O_o;;"

I thought they were asked first.

I don't think we have 50 mods here either dude.

If it had to drop to the level of actually having Rep Guidelines, like you suggested.. it might aswell not be here..

[Kyogre-chan]

That's another mystery worth starting a whole new thread to discuss about ^_^ I'm *100% certain* that there's something wrong with the current way that we're making all these new mods popping up everywhere O_o; right now we have either 49, or 50 mods? That's pretty insane... Plenty of mods actually agree on this too.Basically, moderators are chosen using a democratic system. There are several things taken into consideration, such as the attitude and maturity of the member. What the higher staff fails to observe is whether or not the forums that person is supposed to moderate actually needs moderation. Also, they overlook the less-known members because they're... well, less known. O_o

I have another point, which will probably get me yelled at... But, whatever. Say, a friend of Steve's decides to join PC. If Steve wants such a person promoted, then he will ignore all aspects, and promote them, as if becoming a mod is such a worthless achievement. (I'd hate to sound sadistic, but it really hurts me, and probably many other moderators who actually earned their positions when he does so.)
If that were to happen, we'd have a place full of mini mods who think they actually have authority over something.More proof that we should get rid of it.
I thought they were asked first.Then you thought correctly.
I don't think we have 50 mods here either dude.Assuming he's referring to the staff team in general, then no, we have 49. :P

[armadilloHD]

I say we DO NOT keep the rep system. It's just a way people can flame you where you can't do anything about it.

[Lion Heart]

Yes you can, if it's constant and uncalled for, there is something you can do.

PM a Praetor >_>;, of maybe an Admin about it.

[IceKitten]

People can also flame you via PM and you can't do anything about, it doesn't mean we should get rid of PMs too O_O

[BluePhoenix]

If I am allowed to tell my thing then well my answer is. A big fat YES. We should keep the reputation system.
~RAP~

[O]

I don't know, you should keep it. If you have a problem with it, just turn it off.

[Ninja Retsu]

I think we should keep reputations system. When someone post anythink bad,they will know what should they improve and when someone post anythink good,they deserve good reputations. But I do not like when people flame each other ,because reputations...

[Kyogre-chan]

It died! x.o; *revives*
I don't know, you should keep it. If you have a problem with it, just turn it off.Disabling your reputation doesn't change the fact that many others abuse the system.
I think we should keep reputations system. When someone post anythink bad,they will know what should they improve and when someone post anythink good,they deserve good reputations. But I do not like when people flame each other ,because reputations...Actually, that was the original intention of the reputation system. Sadly, people like to misuse it, and generally 9 out of 10 good reps given are random, or undeserved.

[Porygon]

Mwar, has this been suggested/shot down already? How about having all rep reviewed for randomness.

[Freenaturearts]

Why did you revive it Kyogre-chan ?
I think it's been answered XD.
Anyway I agree with Blue jamine, if someone dosint like it, theres nothing stoping them from turning it off.I'm lucky enough that I only have 6 good reps from senseless babble or spam , All the rest are good reps for my drawings and I and how I act , in turn I think I deserved those. But there are alot of people out there that do just get spamming reps.

[Bobby]

Rep is rep to put it simply.It will never change, the members have to change.If you have a problem with it turn it off that's al you can do.Now lets let this die.
~CLOSED~