Scope Lens VS Leftovers +RMT

[Sin]

tell me what u guys think about scope lens VS leftovers in the OU environment of smogon. my stand is that if u use scope lens,use it on the whole team.like for e.g,my team

Heracross (M) @ Choice Band ** Tai
Trait: Guts
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Focus Punch
- Megahorn
- Rock Slide
- Sleep Talk

Jolteon (M) @ Petaya Berry ** Rai
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Substitute
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt

Aerodactyl (M) @ Scope Lens ** Kage
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Substitute

Metagross @ Scope Lens ** Nin
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 124 Def / 132 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Agility
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Meteor Mash

Starmie @ Scope Lens ** Mizu
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 12 HP / 252 Spd / 246 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Psychic
- Surf
- Thunder Wave

Smeargle (M) @ Scope Lens ** Gen
Trait: Own Tempo
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Extremespeed
- Fake Out
- Spore
- Transform


that way,scope lens will most certainly work.and scope lens does work at least twice per game for me.what do u guys think?RMT too btw =D its sorta naruto-based nicknames. ^^

[Lion Heart]

tell me what u guys think about scope lens VS leftovers in the OU environment of smogon. my stand is that if u use scope lens,use it on the whole team.like for e.g,my team

Heracross (M) @ Choice Band ** Tai
Trait: Guts
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Focus Punch/Brick Break
- Megahorn
- Rock Slide
- Sleep Talk
I prefer Brick Break incase your opponent is a smart little bugger and attacks you instead of trying to avoid your hit.

Jolteon (M) @ Petaya Berry ** Rai
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]/Ice
- Substitute
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt
Ice covers more areas, Grass is only Swampert coverage really..


Aerodactyl (M) @ Choice Band ** Kage
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace/HP Flying
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Double-Edge
Hm, I just didn't like your Sub set for some reason.. If Aero has Sub, he needs to do something with it, his attack is to low without Choice Band if you have him Jolly aswell..


Metagross @ Leftovers ** Nin
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 124 Def / 132 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Agility
- Earthquake
- Explosion/Thunderpunch/Shadow Ball/Sludge Bomb
- Meteor Mash

Starmie @ Leftovers ** Mizu
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 12 HP / 252 Spd / 246 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Psychic/Toxic
- Recover
- Thunder Bolt
I like this set better, Starmie has the defences to get in Toxic and then start stalling with Recover aswell.

Smeargle (M) @ Scope Lens ** Gen
Trait: Own Tempo
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Extremespeed
- Fake Out
- Spore
- Transform
Single :P

that way,scope lens will most certainly work.and scope lens does work at least twice per game for me.what do u guys think?RMT too btw =D its sorta naruto-based nicknames. ^^

I didn't re-do EV's or anything, but I changed the sets to somestuff I like better, I like Leftovers over Scope Lens by the way.

For Smeargle though, his defences and HP just suck, so I guess it's better to hope for CH's than to try living off Leftovers :P

[Sin]

yeah lol.smeargle kicks gyarados and salamence *** too =D.

[Lion Heart]

He does?

If you have to switch him in on the DDsets of them, I think he'd get his arse handed back to him lol.

[Sin]

no like.
smeargle used fake out,"stupid reversaler" fainted.
gya comes out.
smeargle gets intimidated.
smeargle used green powdery stuff.
gya went to snore.
smeargle used transform.
gya is still a pig.
smeargle used dd.
gya is STILL a pig.
smeargle sweeps =D.

btw what is a good counter for a sala which has dd-ed twice?i was thinking snorlax but i wanted a sp.sweeper+tank

[Lion Heart]

Hehehe, Porygon2.

Switch it on on a Dragon Dance, and Ice Beam.

It can take a hit y'know.

Hehehe..

[Sin]

hmm...pory2 eh...ill try that,any others?

is this fine?

Porygon2 @ Leftovers
Trait: Trace
EVs: 36 HP / 220 Def / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Thunder Wave
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Recover

[Lion Heart]

Vaporeon can take a hit, and can Ice Beam back for a OHKO, also, nothing Salamence can do is SE against it (No on standard sets anyway).

You could try Solrock to stop it (It avoids EQ, HP Flying is NVE), and it can pack a mean Rock slideback :P

[Alexander the great v2]

Solrock is a good Phy.sweeper. That smegale got owned when i swithced to pory 2 :P It transformed to my sala :P I neraly beat that team..... Next time

[husk1442]

I use Pert for my mence counter

HP: Grass on Jolt OHKO's Rock/Grounds which ice doesn't

BTW if you put a petaya on Jolt he OHKO's Mence with T-Bolt.

[Lion Heart]

Sin my man, here's my Porygon2 straight from my box:

Porygon2 @ Leftovers ** You Raise Me Up
Trait: Trace
EVs: 228 HP / 96 Def / 130 SAtk / 56 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Thunderbolt
- Toxic

He covers both defences this way, and trust me, he will NOT be OHKO'd by anything not STAB'd.

[Sin]

i dont really like status moves on anything slow,as sub is rampant =(

[Lion Heart]

You don't do Toxic things that have Sub as part of the standard set.

Toxicing things like Starmie is a good idea, but not Jolteon (Because it Subs).

And I like popping up outof no where in Invisible Mode I might swap back though so people know I'm on :P

[Sin]

how bout 36 hp evs instead of 228,its 320 hp and benefits from lefties

[Lion Heart]

I like to have more HP to cover the defences a little more, I play him as a semi defensive pokemon :P

[Lord Jaws]

Hey shouldnt the discussion really be Scope Lens vs Choice Band instead of Scope Lens vs Lefties.

[Lion Heart]

No, it shouldn't be.

Incase you didn't notice, Sin wants to know what should be on 3 (or was it 4) of his pokemon, Leftovers or Choice Band.

Only 1 of them has it now, and I suggested another one.

Topic is Lefties VS Scope, not Scope VS CB :P

[Lord Jaws]

I kno what it is. >_>. Im saying Scope Lens vs CB should be looked at. More damage always and limit ur moves? Or more damage sometimes but more freedom in move choice?

[MewthreeXL]

More freedom in moves is the best in my opinion,that's why I don't use Choice Band.

[Lion Heart]

Ugh.

ANYWAY.

Between Scope and Lefties, I say Lefties.

Between Scope and CB, depends on situation.

[MewthreeXL]

Stop trying to stay on topic.And Leftovers is better.

[Sin]

naww scope rocks ...depends really..
on stallers obviously opt for lefties...
for things like agiligross,deathstar,non-cb aero,non-leech seed sceptile opt for scope lens =D.

[Lion Heart]

I can see where you are coming from, I just chuck Leftovers on anything I make that doesn't require item setup (Like Subrevvers, they need Salac etc..)

Sceptile could do with it, because Leaf Blade has a high CH rate, same with Blazikens Blaze Kick :P

Things like that I'd consider Scope on, for a little extra fun :P

[kirby00]

how bout for smeargle: fenergy, sub, spore, bp *holding the ch berry that activates at 25% health*, and bp to sceptile with scope lens on and using stab leaf blade?

[Lion Heart]

Sounds pretty good for the berry pass, but I think Focus Energy is only a next turn thing.

[Spike Razzor]

Meta only needs about 88 speed Ev's, Smeargle pretty much owns Ninjask already.

[Sin]

209 speed outspeeds adamant ninjask

[Lion Heart]

Yep, and Smeargle does own Jask.

Smeargle can like turn the whole game around on Ninjask lol.