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Imakuni?
April 19th, 2005, 09:03 PM
So, what does everyone think of the new pope?
I think he is a good choice, because, as Blaze has said, he will keep the church on a steady path until there is a perfect choice.

Blaze
April 19th, 2005, 09:06 PM
Me: well let me tel you what i think
Kuni: sure
Me: i think he was put in place for one reason
Kuni: lets hear it
Me: to keep the church on a steady path till they find a perfect choice

So don't think about coming to mass if your pro choice, yes he is the one who told churches to deny communion to them =)

HE IS SO PERFECT

VIVA LA GERMANY

VIVA LA BENEDICT XVI

VIVA LA CATHOLICS

Imakuni?
April 19th, 2005, 09:07 PM
*sniff* so true. you'd make a great Pope, Blaze.

Blaze
April 19th, 2005, 09:09 PM
*sniff* so true. you'd make a great Pope, Blaze.

XD first thing I would do is make you a Cardinal :P

Yes, I am a devout Catholic (hence the reason most liberals despise me).

If you gonna do anti christian things dont dare say it by me :)

I would hate to see you go into hiding because fear of my wrath >D

Brittany
April 19th, 2005, 09:14 PM
Viva La...
Hmm, I don't care about the new Pope. Even the last one.

I didn't care about Princess Diana dying, or any of those other overly dramatic media influenced stories anyway. I'm not saying I'm glad he'd dead, but it's not like he means more than anyone else, you know? You and I won't get those kinds of ceremonies when we die.

And about the new one? Great, he'll gain supreme influencial power over people following the Catholic faith. Not a big deal to me =/

Blaze
April 19th, 2005, 09:21 PM
Hey suit yourself,

One day you will become religious even if you doubt it full now, because what if there is a heaven after earth do you really want to burn in the fires of hell for infinity?

And the pope was a great man I find that horrifying you don't care at all, everyone including his enemys were sad he had died (EVEN CHINA). So for you not to care is downright wrong.

Lightning
April 19th, 2005, 09:25 PM
Everyone's entitled to their own view and opinion. People who aren't Catholic barely follow the Pope or his doings at all, so it's not surprising that many people don't care. (Well, that's not the right terminology -- it's not that they don't care, it's just that they don't find as much significance as Catholics do in the Pope's position. Ehh..)

Anyway, I was raised Catholic, so even though I don't follow the religion, I still knew who the Pope was and whatnot. But... I have no idea who the new Pope is, just his name. I find it kind of interesting that an older man was chosen, though. I know Pope John Paul II was very young when he was anointed, so I guess it's not really surprising that someone older was elected this time. Though... it's still a little weird, since he's likely going to die fairly soon this time. :\

But... maybe I just have to get used to refering to a new Pope all the time. XP

Brittany
April 19th, 2005, 09:30 PM
Hey suit yourself,

One day you will become religious even if you doubt it full now, because what if there is a heaven after earth do you really want to burn in the fires of hell for infinity?

And the pope was a great man I find that horrifying you don't care at all, everyone including his enemys were sad he had died (EVEN CHINA). So for you not to care is downright wrong.
I won't become religeous, that's a moral standard I keep close to myself.

And I'm truly sorry, but there's no way around the fact of me just not caring about some old man dying. I don't believe he's anymore important than any other individual in the world, and if he's such a great man, then he would think that too. That's not including how I think he's a heretic in his own respect, but that's my own thing(not really willing to discuss that anyway).

Blaze
April 19th, 2005, 09:52 PM
The Holy Father does not say he is better than anyone else

Like Pope Benedict XVI said today about himself "I am just a humble man". We (Catholics) didn't ask for this craze media attention, though it was honorable to see so many care about a person so dear to our hearts.

And Erika, I believe he is like Pope John XXIII, he probably won't be here for awhile but he will surely have a big impact on us.

(Pope John XXIII was the Pope who started the Second Vatican Council)

Pounce
April 19th, 2005, 10:09 PM
new Pope looks scary o_o

Nostradamus said this Pope won't last more than 7 months >.> ::flits away::

Brittany
April 19th, 2005, 10:10 PM
The Holy Father does not say he is better than anyone else

Like Pope Benedict XVI said today about himself "I am just a humble man". We (Catholics) didn't ask for this craze media attention, though it was honorable to see so many care about a person so dear to our hearts.

And Erika, I believe he is like Pope John XXIII, he probably won't be here for awhile but he will surely have a big impact on us.

(Pope John XXIII was the Pope who started the Second Vatican Council)I never said he think's he's better than anyone else, nor ever implied it. Infact, I supported it by giving it the least of my attention. The Pope & Co. didn't want a media craze, I don't support media crazes- it works out perfectly.

Also(Edit):new Pope looks scary o_o

Nostradamus said this Pope won't last more than 7 months >.> ::flits away::
I won't even doubt his predictions. *waits 7 months*

Lightning
April 19th, 2005, 10:16 PM
Erica. ;p

He'll have a big impact on some Catholics, mostly just the devout ones, but not all. o_o I know that a lot of the people I know, although they may be Catholics, don't really care about who the Pope is. It doesn't directly affect them, so they don't really feel the need to care as much. Plus, I kinda view it that way too. To me, the Pope is the Pope -- a figurehead of the Catholic church who doesn't do much.

Though, I must admit, I really don't like his views. <_<
"He has rejected the ordination of women and marriage for priests, and also opposes homosexuality."
Source: http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/04/19/popevote050419.html
Meh.

Brittany
April 19th, 2005, 10:26 PM
Erica. ;p

He'll have a big impact on some Catholics, mostly just the devout ones, but not all. o_o I know that a lot of the people I know, although they may be Catholics, don't really care about who the Pope is. It doesn't directly affect them, so they don't really feel the need to care as much. Plus, I kinda view it that way too. To me, the Pope is the Pope -- a figurehead of the Catholic church who doesn't do much.

Though, I must admit, I really don't like his views. <_<

Meh.
Meh

I think at least 98% of the 'Catholic' community doesn't even know the base principles about being a Catholic, and many just show up on Sunday... just to show up on Sunday. They memorize a couple lines, then get ready for a gennerally 1 hour roller coaster ride(sit down, get up, sit down, get up), etc etc.

Infact, just as a few people the next time you visit a Catholic church(or any type of church really), and see how many of them really even care about it. This is not directed towards any specific PC member though, so if any of you out there think I'm degrading your position in your religeon, I apologize because that's not what I'm trying to do.

Anyways...

Lightning
April 19th, 2005, 10:41 PM
Actually, the bulk of Catholics only go to church on Easter and Christmas... and then for any other "big" events like someone's first Communion or Confirmation. Church for many people is just there when you feel guilted into going or you feel as though you need it. When everything's going fine, I doubt many people go. :\

<_< I know that's how my family operates now. And even then, we're pretty bad about going, since we only go when my grandpa is here. o.o

Brittany
April 19th, 2005, 10:58 PM
It's not really that bad. There's a couple more million people right there with you.

Blaze
April 19th, 2005, 11:06 PM
*Blaze enters*

Numerous people care about going to Church. Memorizing lines isn't apart of mass Brittany, why don't you take some time out of your day to go to mass before speculating on the events of mass.

If they didn't care then why would we go to mass? Brittany, seriously why would I wake up early on a weekend just to how you put it "memorize" a couple of lines.

The Pope won't die in 7 months I dont know what kind of crackpot you people listen to, but his life in Gods Hands and that is how it shall remain.

So go buy a bible, than read it, then go to church on sunday at a catholic church, ask a few people what they think, and then come tell me about how it is wrong to speculate on the Catholic Church because you might of had some bad history at your church (Non Catholic I believe)

tmbjr
April 19th, 2005, 11:08 PM
ahem...I don't know much about Benedict XVI outsie of what the news said about him this morning, but he seems to be a great person to fill the shoes that John Paul II left vacant.

As a side note, Brit has a point, but I'm sure it is highly overexaggerated. I'm one of those devout Catholics, and I wouldn't go as far as to say that 98% of Catholics aren't active enough in their faith. From the approximations of people I know, I'd say that only about 65%, but that is still too great of a number for the leaders in Vatican City to ignore.

Blaze
April 19th, 2005, 11:15 PM
Actually, A Majority of Catholics indeed are devout and go to mass every sunday. America usually isn't seen as a major Catholic place, unless you go to California or Boston.

However, in Mexico, South America, Europe, and even Some Parts Of Asia are VERY devout and always go to mass every Sunday.

We must remeber American colonies were basically the outsiders fearing persecution for example: Puritans.

Due to the fact America was indeed founded by Catholics, the number of Catholics in the USA is going up each year at a astonishing rate.

We find a lot of opposition at places like PokeCommunity, where this is more "artsy" meaning more liberals and homosexuals take the majority at.

So having to put a fight here is really a daily thing because of how "liberal" PC has become.

Brittany
April 19th, 2005, 11:25 PM
Actually, A Majority of Catholics indeed are devout and go to mass every sunday. America usually isn't seen as a major Catholic place, unless you go to California or Boston.

However, in Mexico, South America, Europe, and even Some Parts Of Asia are VERY devout and always go to mass every Sunday.

We must remeber American colonies were basically the outsiders fearing persecution for example: Puritans.

Due to the fact America was indeed founded by Catholics, the number of Catholics in the USA is going up each year at a astonishing rate.

We find a lot of opposition at places like PokeCommunity, where this is more "artsy" meaning more liberals and homosexuals take the majority at.

So having to put a fight here is really a daily thing because of how "liberal" PC has become.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Going to mass every sunday doesn't make you devout at all. Many churchgoers admit that they don't know much, and most ritualistic actions they perform, they know very little about. And yes, those are proven, time-tested facts. Not exactly 98%, but the majority.

And I have gone to Mass, actually last week. I didn't really choose to go, but I didn't want to make my friend's parents think I'm a bad person. For the average American Catholic, it's just a thing they do every Sunday to commence fellowship, wear decent clothes, and tell their kids that church is almost done every 5 minutes.

Again, this doesn't represent the group as a whole, and there will always be 'posers'(can't believe I fit that word in on this discussion) to a faith. I definetly don't want you to think that I'm accusing you of being a fake or something, but I'm just trying to get my point out.

Imakuni?
April 19th, 2005, 11:28 PM
You and I won't get those kinds of ceremonies when we die.

I will.

Anyways, this Pope wont die in 7 months like you say... just wait and see.

Blaze
April 19th, 2005, 11:30 PM
Brittany,

Dont be so worried about affending someone, the conserative catholics like myself know you are wrong, so you dont need to defend yourself.

People who ask when church is done are children, yet we all know how long a child can stay in one spot for XD

And it is only majority IF EVEN THAT in America, like I said before it really depends where you live.

Brittany
April 19th, 2005, 11:31 PM
I will.

Anyways, this Pope wont die in 7 months like you say... just wait and see.
I seriously wouldn't doubt Nostradamus. I just... wouldn't.

tmbjr
April 19th, 2005, 11:33 PM
I seriously wouldn't doubt Nostradamus. I just... wouldn't.

Actually, I read a book by a more contemporary psychic that said that Benedict XVI will die after four years. Meh, I don't believe psychics that much anyways...

Blaze
April 19th, 2005, 11:34 PM
Who the heck is he?

Brittany
April 19th, 2005, 11:37 PM
Brittany,

Dont be so worried about affending someone, the conserative catholics like myself know you are wrong, so you dont need to defend yourself.

People who ask when church is done are children, yet we all know how long a child can stay in one spot for XD

And it is only majority IF EVEN THAT in America, like I said before it really depends where you live.
Really, don't accuse me of being wrong, when there's no way around just admitting it. There will always be a population of people that do things just for show. That's just how humans are. And if you say otherwise, and if by some crazy reason, you were right, guess what?- You'll soon be wrong anyway!

Wanna know why? People are just like that. People will purposely break standards, even religeous ones that they have no buisness in, just to piss people like you off. I have no control over it, it just is.

Brittany
April 19th, 2005, 11:39 PM
Who the heck is he?
He's predicted numerous things to happen far before his time, even things like Napoleon, Hitler, and Osama Bin Laden, which he named the three 'antichrists'.

Not only that, he's predicted world wars, America's civil wars, etc etc.
Just look him up.

Blaze
April 19th, 2005, 11:50 PM
LOL those three were not the worse,

You forgot Stalin, Charles Mansen, Saddam Hussien, etc...

To believe that is to say that my skin colour will go from white to black, because I "predicted it"

lol come on

*Using the reffrence to White to Black is not a insult to anyone's skin color it was used as a way to show how pyschic's arent real*

Ryoutarou
April 19th, 2005, 11:52 PM
I think he might have been talking about the one Tommy brought up. Anyways, I really don't follow the Catholic church much, but I do know that Jon Paul II didn't see himself as more important then any other person. He was pretty humble man though.

The new pope Joseph Ratzinger seems like he might be a bad figure head for the church. I've heard his views are to different from what the catholic church needs, or wants, but he has been pretty devoted to it so meh...

EDIT-Blaze, he believed that because he was said to have visions of what was to come. Not just on a hunch.

Brittany
April 20th, 2005, 12:04 AM
LOL those three were not the worse,

You forgot Stalin, Charles Mansen, Saddam Hussien, etc...

To believe that is to say that my skin colour will go from white to black, because I "predicted it"

lol come on

*Using the reffrence to White to Black is not a insult to anyone's skin color it was used as a way to show how pyschic's arent real*
Evil meter:
Osama Bin Laden > Saddam Hussien


But nevertheless, he did predict it. Your example is an unsupported wildcard that you used just to prove a point that isn't coming.

lol come on

Ryoutarou
April 20th, 2005, 07:14 AM
Something that slipped my mind...I know he was only in it breifly, and it was a long time ago, but Ratzinger was in the Hitler Youth. Doesn't sound like the best coice for a pope. He left about three days before the end of the war, and I'm not sure, but I heard he joined against his will. Doesn't sound like the best choice for pope. But I don't give him more then three years as pope anyway.

Icy42
April 21st, 2005, 10:21 PM
I'm no longer a Christian, and never was conservative. I've heard that the new Pope is conservative, so I'm guessing I probably don't like him. (I'm liberal)

tmbjr
April 21st, 2005, 10:36 PM
Something that slipped my mind...I know he was only in it breifly, and it was a long time ago, but Ratzinger was in the Hitler Youth. Doesn't sound like the best coice for a pope. He left about three days before the end of the war, and I'm not sure, but I heard he joined against his will. Doesn't sound like the best choice for pope. But I don't give him more then three years as pope anyway.

He was drafted into the Nazi army when he was 14, but that doesn't mean he did it willingly. There's also something Catholics believe in called "converting" or "being called". This is when a person is enlightened and decides to dedicate his life to religion. Ratzinger was probably called, and thus entered the priesthood afterwards.

Claire
April 21st, 2005, 10:46 PM
Did you hear that the old nickname of this pope before he became pope was 'God's Rottweiller' XD