DS vs PSP?

[Jash Ibanez]

I havent seen any thread about this so here it goes XD
What do you rather? The gameboy DS or the PSP?
Ill rather the PSP because it has better graphics and you can listen to music and watch videos O and also because i think that their games RocK!!

[Zero ex]

Now i prefer the psp, now nintendo ds dont have any good games, only mario 64.

[Arcanine]

This is a good idea. I don't think a thread was started about what system you like better after the PSP came out (all of them were after the DS came out but the PSP wasn't out yet).

Before I got my PSP I would have said the DS. But now that I own both systems I like the PSP better then the DS.

[The S]

I'm staying neutral until I play a PSP. Unfortunately, PSPs are expensive, and unlike the DS (which I played in a store several days before it was released), I have seen NO display models of the PSP.

[Zero ex]

This is a good idea. I don't think a thread was started about what system you like better after the PSP came out (all of them were after the DS came out but the PSP wasn't out yet).

Before I got my PSP I would have said the DS. But now that I own both systems I like the PSP better then the DS.

Im same as you, psp have better resolution, have music, videos, and better hacks than nintendo ds, plus better games. At first the idea of the nintendo ds of two screans was cool, but now that i see it it was a bad idea, plus the touch screen is dificult to clean.

[Jash Ibanez]

Im same as you, psp have better resolution, have music, videos, and better hacks than nintendo ds, plus better games. At first the idea of the nintendo ds of two screans was cool, but now that i see it it was a bad idea, plus the touch screen is dificult to clean.

Yeah and ehy do you need 2 screens and a touch screen? Its not like a palm XD
Oh and those 2 screens they do are a bad idea because you dont need them at all XD

[Allstories]

I wish you guys would stop comparing the two. It's not really a fair fight. The DS is not a Gameboy.

[Magma Member Jacob]

I am sticking with DS until I play PSP. I for one like the dual-screens, so there! And anyone who disagrees can shove it! JK, but seriously, I like DS better and they are coming out with more games later on, and besides, it is going to become wirless soon. Plus you can play GBA games on it. Oh, and I don't like the games for PSP. Unless they make the Final Fantasy series, or the Kingdom Hearts series on it, I won't change my mind.

[chrno]

yeah i am with you jash, since the DS is not getting nothing new, i prefer the psp because of the graphics and that you can hear music and see videos in it

[Zero ex]

I wish you guys would stop comparing the two. It's not really a fair fight. The DS is not a Gameboy.
We now that it bother you, but that´s our opinion, I prefer more Gba than PSP and nintendo ds, Maybe next year there will be a good use for the touch screen.

[Magma Member Jacob]

I am sorry, but all of you people don't know what you're talking about! You haven't even given DS a chance to come out with good games. They can't make a good game in a week! Would you rather have a game with bad graphics and a bad plot, or a game with great graphics and an egde-of-your-seat kind of plot? Well, I am leaving, so bye.

[Jash Ibanez]

But the games 'til now are better the one of the DS XD
And the DS already got like 4 months to make a good game, but there are no results until now

[Arcanine]

I wish you guys would stop comparing the two. It's not really a fair fight. The DS is not a Gameboy.They are both the newest handhelds. That's why threads are comparing them two. That's like saying "Don't be comparing the PS2 and the Game Cube beacuse the PS2 came out a year before the Game Cube". Get real Allstories.



I kind of like the two screens and the touch screen. They both can make 1 large screen.
But I like my PSP better because it's more sleek and looks better then the DS (the DS looks kind of bulky now) and you can download movies and songs to it too. And I like the games on the PSP better then the DS games.

[Allstories]

That's like saying "Don't be comparing the PS2 and the Game Cube beacuse the PS2 came out a year before the Game Cube". Get real Allstories.

...No, it's not. That doesn't even make any sense. I suppose you would have compared the N64 to the PS2?

[Magma Member Jacob]

Hi, I'm back XD. Personally, I agree with Arcanine. Sorry 'bout that buddy.... but i do like DS still, don't worry.

[Arcanine]

I am sorry, but all of you people don't know what you're talking about! You haven't even given DS a chance to come out with good games. They can't make a good game in a week! Would you rather have a game with bad graphics and a bad plot, or a game with great graphics and an egde-of-your-seat kind of plot? Well, I am leaving, so bye.I do know what I'm talking about. I was the second PC member to post saying I am holding a brand new Nintendo DS in my hand right now. I have had my Nintendo DS for 166 days (I got mine on November 21th 2004, the day the DS came out in the US). 166 days later I still don't have a game for my DS. Since then I got 2 GBA games, a PSP, a PSP game and maybe even a GC or PS2 game. And I'm sitting here playing Emerald on my DS, I played KH: CoM on my DS, I have played other GBA games on my DS. But no DS game.
Yes I would wait on a good game (I am wating on Kingdom Hearts 2 and Final Fantasy XII). But they had enough time to plan their games and so on. The PSP is no different but I see a few games that I want (unlike the DS).

...No, it's not. That doesn't even make any sense. I suppose you would have compared the N64 to the PS2?What are you talking about? Saying my post doesn't make sense? I truely hate to break this to you Allstories but more then half your posts are pointless and the other half doesn't make sense at all.
And why the hell would I compare the N64 and the PS2? I would compare the N64 and PS. The PS2 is a next gen system as well as the GC.
See what I mean when I say your posts doesn't make sense?

[Eon-Rider]

Ive hated PS and PS2 so PSP must be similar so I like DS more.

[Magma Member Jacob]

you know, I can understand that the PSP has games that most people/gamers would enjoy, but I still am not giving up on the DS, so yeah. And you do seem to know your stuff, Arcanine. ((I wish I had Emerald! But I don't get paid again 'til June.... -_-))

[Allstories]

What are you talking about? Saying my post doesn't make sense? I truely hate to break this to you Allstories but more then half your posts are pointless and the other half doesn't make sense at all.
This argument is stupid. Just because I happen to have a different concept of humor than you, you immediately find it neccessary to disregard everything I say? This is idiotic. If I were anyone else that you weren't biased against, I certainly doubt you would be as quick to ignore me.

And why the hell would I compare the N64 and the PS2? I would compare the N64 and PS. The PS2 is a next gen system as well as the GC.
See what I mean when I say your posts doesn't make sense?
I say this because if I recall correctly the N64 and the PS2 coexisted at one point. If you wouldn't compare those two, why would you compare the DS and the PSP?

I'm sorry, but if my posts are SPAM, then I can't for the life of perceive how your posts are any less so.

LET'S NOT MINDLESSLY QUARREL ANYMORE.

*peace*

[Jash Ibanez]

Ill still prefer the PSP XD, but its not like all people have the same likes, some prefer the DS than the PSP
Im gonna buy GTA for the PSP as soon as its released
Its gonna be a best seller i think XD

[Magma Member Jacob]

Nice way to flip things around there, Jash. XD. Anyway, I like GTA as well... and about earlier, I wasn't saying that PSP is completely useless/ dumb. Just thought I'd make that clear with everyone...

[chrno]

i am with arcanine, the psp is releasing good games and the thing of listening music in it is cool, but that doesnt mean that the ds is ugly or boring, we just have to wait to the new games

[Arcanine]

you know, I can understand that the PSP has games that most people/gamers would enjoy, but I still am not giving up on the DS, so yeah. And you do seem to know your stuff, Arcanine. ((I wish I had Emerald! But I don't get paid again 'til June.... -_-))I'm not trying to put down the DS or anything. But they really need to get more good games. And I also like how you can download songs to it and use it as an iPod. You can also watch movies on it. Stuff that the DS can't do.
I don't hate the DS (I love my DS), I just like my PSP better then my DS.

This argument is stupid. Just because I happen to have a different concept of humor than you, you immediately find it neccessary to disregard everything I say? This is idiotic. If I were anyone else that you weren't biased against, I certainly doubt you would be as quick to ignore me.You're right, it is stupid. I'm right and you're wrong on argument (not the PSP and DS stuff, I'm not talking about that). And you can't see that. And that's what's stupid.
I disregard just about everything you say beacuse just about everything you say is pointless.

I say this because if I recall correctly the N64 and the PS2 coexisted at one point. If you wouldn't compare those two, why would you compare the DS and the PSP?
The oldest game that I know of for the PS2 came out: January 31, 2001
The oldest game that I know of for the N64 came out: September 26, 1996
The oldest game that I know of for the PS came out: September 5, 1995
Is 1996 closer to 1995 or 2001? So why would you say I should compare the PS2 and N64 when the PS was closer to the N64?


I'm sorry, but if my posts are SPAM, then I can't for the life of perceive how your posts are any less so.Oh you don't find your posts as spam? You mean posts like
" Bahahahaha."
"......y-you didn't quote the entire sentence. :("
"I'd say I average about zero a day."
"This smells like a poll. I better poke it with a stick."
"This is the best thread in ages."
"I'm unwilling to risk the cooties that might ensue."
"Bah, that's not such a long time."
Them are but a few posts. Would you like for me to go look for more? I bet I could find some real quick. And as one of the highest Administrators on PokéCommunity I see your posts as spam (when you get as high as me on PC you can try to tell me otherwise).


LET'S NOT MINDLESSLY QUARREL ANYMORE.Yea you're right, if you would like to go on then I would be happy to do it via PM (no need to post it in here when it could be done in a PM).

[Lucifer]

At the moment a lot of the games that actually make good use of the DS's touch screen are more akin to tech demos (Yoshi's T&G, Pac-Pix, etc). But in the future I can see those types of games laying the foundations for interesting titles with a tad more last in them. Canvas Curse looks set to pave the way when it's released later in the year.

I don't have a PSP (September release for us), but I think that going by what I'll be using it for, there's not much on it that I can't already imagine: PS2-quality games. It should be good, but so far the only game that interests me is THUG2: Remix, and that's little more than a port+.

[Rhykasho]

Well I like the PSP better then the DS!!!

U see, the DS just gets boring after a while, the only things I like about it is that u can play GameBoy games on it, the games just seem to take advantage over the whole touch screen thing which, to be honest is nothing special (in my point of view) and the games are kind of rubish (apart from Mario64 DS). I just hope that the Pokemon games that are coming out wont take advantage of the whole touch screen thing (BLOW TO ATTACK, TOUCH THE POKEMON TO ATTACK IT!!!).

I got a imported PSP just the over day and it rocks, the games are brilliant, u can listen to music and watch movies and I just luv turning the volume on full blast. I havnt tried going online with it but im sure that it rocks too :D

[Jeremy]

*Looks at Allstories.* OOH! BURN! XD

Anyway, do we really need another one of these threads? >>;

Anyway look, these to systems are out and there are barely any games that show the DS or PSP's full potential.

Sure, DS may have a lot of interesting features and unique features, and PSP has a lot of media features, but their games...

Don't mean to sound harsh, but PSP has a bunch of games already on PS2, which seems like a waste of money in my opinion. Also some of the games where just a dissapointment, in my opinion, like Metal Gear Acid. The only good thing that came out of the PSP was the media features, such as the mp3 player, and movies.

DS seemed to be good, but the lack good orignal games, and the over amount of 3rd party ports just, well you know. Games like WarioWare Touched, Feel the Magic (Suprisingly was actually a good game.) were great, but some of these 3rd party ports are really annoying. Well, at least you can still use it as a GBA and a free chatroom. ~.^

So overall in my opinion, it's still too early to judge.

[Zero ex]

Hey Metal Gear AC!D, is very cool is way to diferent that Metal Gear solid.

So far good games that have been anounced for the ds are, Baten kaitos ds, final fantasy 3, and Xenosaga Ds. For psp, i havent checked only grand theft auto.

[It was funny when I typed it.]

i feel like im betraying something but now i have a psp its better XD

[Dark Sora]

I am sticking with DS until I play PSP. I for one like the dual-screens, so there! And anyone who disagrees can shove it! JK, but seriously, I like DS better and they are coming out with more games later on, and besides, it is going to become wirless soon. Plus you can play GBA games on it. Oh, and I don't like the games for PSP. Unless they make the Final Fantasy series, or the Kingdom Hearts series on it, I won't change my mind.

Well there's going to be a Final Fantasy for the PSP called Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus (there might even be more)

Anyways, of course I'm voting for PSP. I think it's much better than the DS. Has better games, better graphics, plays movies and music, and everything on the PSP in needed (unlike the extra screen on the DS)

[ElekidzAPimp]

I like the PSP better!
It has more features....Music, Movies, and pictures!!!

[link]

I really think PSP is better NOW. But I think the DS will be better in the future. Maybe not better than the PSP, but it will get better when extremely cool games are released for it. It's just a matter of time.

[Dark Penguin]

Everyone is saying the PSP can play movies, which it can........but WHAT movies? The free Spidey movie that came with it? Other than that (and maybe like 2 other movies i haven't seen) its a cool but useless feature because no companies are going to make movies for a gaming system when they can save money and sell millions more on DVD. Of couse you can dl them to ur memory stick, but the problem is the memoryu sticks don't have enough mem. for an even ok-quality movie (unless you buy like the $90 dollar mem. card). The song thing is pretty cool, but i prefer my mp3 player (more mem., too). And if you do find a way to use all the media features, you will find that you've spent a pretty penny just so you can watch movies, listen to songs, and play games on a 5 inch screen. Plus the battery life sucks, so why even bother (if you have enough time to watch a movie, then after your're done watching it you won't be able to play your games for very long, much less watch another movie). I would rather just bring our family's (extremely crappy) laptop and watch movies on that. And i will agree that the psp has more (and better) games out, but the fact is, even ign says their lineup is just too close to that of the ps2. So it won't last you on road trips, and you can play the same games on a 32 inch screen, so why bother spending the extra $100? Thats just my opinion, anyway. Plus, i like the DS's two screens (it really does become one giant screen, people just won't admit it), and i like their future lineup, and i like their innovativeness with VIDEO GAMES - the touch screen really does add a new demention to gaming (although people won't admit). And i no the graphics aren't as great, but their better than that of the n64, and if i still like to play that, i think the DS is great for video gaming (and chatting) alone. plus, the price is right :-)

[Dark Sora]

Well Mr Movie-Feature-Is-Useless, there's a bunch of other awesome movies for the PSP other than the free Spiderman 2

[Dark Penguin]

like?.........................................and even if so, it will NEVER be a big thing. y would companies go out of their way to make movies for a gaming system when they will only sell like 1000 if they are EXTREMEMLY lucky, when they can focus more on DVD's and make triple the profits?

[Lucifer]

Well there's going to be a Final Fantasy for the PSP called Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus (there might even be more)

Dirge of Cerberus is a PS2 game. Crisis Core is being developed for the PSP.

[Dark Sora]

Dirge of Cerberus is a PS2 game. Crisis Core is being developed for the PSP.

Hm...Oh yeah XD I get those mixed up alot ><

[Brittany]

...No, it's not. That doesn't even make any sense. I suppose you would have compared the N64 to the PS2?
You're trying to make it seem as if we're antialiasing, but it's perfectally comparable. No matter what you think about the 'DS not being a gameboy', the majority of the public playing the systems could not see it any other way.

Even though Nintendo wants to make it be seen as a third pillar, they rushed thier system to meet or exceed the deadline for PSP, just as PSP did for the DS. So even though technicallities stated by the companies state otherwise, even they realize that in any instance practical, they are competitors.


Anyways, to the people arguing about the movie strength on PSP- 512MB sticks are gennerally $90 right now, but 1GB ones are $95 from dell. Remember that Sony has got major control over their own memory stick- you don't really see noticable price drops unless Sony really needs them, or you wait a while for their next stick to be released. 2GB ones are extremely new- we won't see noticable changes in their prices until 2GB sticks are on the shelves and selling. Then we're looking at prices $50-60 for the 1GB ones.

And it's not like you take a 700MB movie and slap it onto your media- you must use your brain at some point. If it's not 16:9 ratio, why are you going to waste extra space on pixels you won't be seeing? If it's much larger than needed for your PSP screen- make it small enough to fit! It's common sense, and it saves you space. With a few quality reductions, you can hold 4 or 5 movies on a 1GB stick. With quality 'perfect' for the PSP, you can hold 2 or 3 with enough room for some songs you want.

Anyway, I prefer the PSP over the DS. There are a couple things I think could be better- like it's stick's placement, not being able to load atleast part of a games data onto the memory stick to ease loading, it's battery life, and how it's processor is underclocked. Nevertheless, I see both systems purely as a series of breakthroughs for future systems. They were both rushed to compete with eachother, but atleast they made their marks.

[Arcanine]

Everyone is saying the PSP can play movies, which it can........but WHAT movies? The free Spidey movie that came with it?There are a few more movies then Spider Man 2.
"National Treasure", "Pirates Of Caribbean", "Kill Bill, Vol 1", "Are We There Yet?", "Hero", "Hitch", "Charlie's Angels", "Reign Of Fire", "Anacondas: The Hunt For The Blood Orchid", "Daddy Day Care", "You Got Served", "The Grudge", "Hollow Man", "XXX", "Hellboy", "Once Upon a Time in Mexico", "Resident Evil: Apocalypse"
And that's just for right now, more movies will come out when they come out on DVD/VHS.

[Happy Dude]

Hmm i haven't played the PSP yet becuase they aren't out here in Aus.

But who knows I can' decide yet.

[Yami_Zidane]

i have not played either yet (my DS is upstairs waiting for my birthday to roll around) but from what ive read on both systems im leaning towards the DS. I just thought it was typical of sony to produce a gaming system that has other features such as music and movies just so it will sell more, unlike nintendo who's consoles home and portable are completly dedicated to games, don't sony have any confidence in there games?

The PSP boasts good graphics but the DS can match it with games like Metroid Prime: Hunters which looks to have the best graphics on the DS. Like i said before i can't make a real judgment untill i have played both but they are both still relativly new so lets wait for future releases on both systems.

[Scyther5]

The DS is alright, I have both the PSP and DS and the PSP is deffentally alot better. Im not saying the DS is bad, there just arnt many great games for it, and to tell you the truth I haven't played mine in over a month. And from what I've seen alot of people stick up for the DS because they used all their money on it and can't get a PSP now. :P


PS-The oldest game that I know of for the N64 came out: September 26, 1996 Regarding that quote Arcanine the last n64 game that came out was in may 2001.

[Brittany]

i have not played either yet (my DS is upstairs waiting for my birthday to roll around) but from what ive read on both systems im leaning towards the DS. I just thought it was typical of sony to produce a gaming system that has other features such as music and movies just so it will sell more, unlike nintendo who's consoles home and portable are completly dedicated to games, don't sony have any confidence in there games?

The PSP boasts good graphics but the DS can match it with games like Metroid Prime: Hunters which looks to have the best graphics on the DS. Like i said before i can't make a real judgment untill i have played both but they are both still relativly new so lets wait for future releases on both systems.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Metroid Prime: Hunters can't begin to match the graphics of average PSP games, muchless it's graphic-god, GT4: Mobile.

You don't need to wait for a future release to realize what each system is capable of- the fact stands that DS can't pump out as much graphic-wise as the PSP can. Infact, that's almost never used as a basis for an argument in this debate, it's always DS's innovation vs PSP's brute power. Choose whichever to stand by, but it's silly to list a point you can't prove after the systems are released o.O

[Yami_Zidane]

but even if the a game has the best graphics ever on a handheld that isnt automaticly going to make it the best game ever is it?

[Dark Penguin]

There are a few more movies then Spider Man 2.
"National Treasure", "Pirates Of Caribbean", "Kill Bill, Vol 1", "Are We There Yet?", "Hero", "Hitch", "Charlie's Angels", "Reign Of Fire", "Anacondas: The Hunt For The Blood Orchid", "Daddy Day Care", "You Got Served", "The Grudge", "Hollow Man", "XXX", "Hellboy", "Once Upon a Time in Mexico", "Resident Evil: Apocalypse"
And that's just for right now, more movies will come out when they come out on DVD/VHS.

and i have yet to find a store that has any of those. They may have them out, but its definately not at universal locations. And like i said, why would movie companies make more when that would just be throwing away money? The cost and effort required to make those is not worth what the profit will be.

[Arcanine]

Regarding that quote Arcanine the last n64 game that came out was in may 2001.I said oldest N64 game. As in Super Mario 64, one of the starting games for the N64.

and i have yet to find a store that has any of those. They may have them out, but its definately not at universal locations. And like i said, why would movie companies make more when that would just be throwing away money? The cost and effort required to make those is not worth what the profit will be.My stores got KH: CoM like 3 days after it came out, and that was for the GBA.
Them movies are out for the PSP. You said "but WHAT movies?" I gave you a list of movies. And now you say the movies are not out everywhere. A Wal-Mart close to me has N64 games (few but they still have them). Another Wal-Mart about 20 mins away doesn't have any N64 games. Not every store has the same stuff. You will most likely never find all them movies in one places. But never the less they are out.

How could they be throwing away their money? They had National Treasure, XXX, Kill Bill, Hero and a few others at my Wal-Mart. They had around 25-30 boxes of each movie. I came back a week or so later and they were all gone or only 2 or 3 left. You add it up, at 20 dollars a movie and see if they throwed their money away (and that's just one store).
No there isn't going to be more UMD disks of movies then DVDs. But there will be people that will buy a movie for their PSP.

[Casual Billy]

Yes, I have also seen almost all of those movies at my Wal Mart.

So it won't last you on road trips, and you can play the same games on a 32 inch screen, so why bother spending the extra $100? Thats just my opinion, anyway.

Well, on road trips, you’re probably going to be in a car. If you go on road trips often, then you’d want to invest in a $10 DC adapter for either system anyway. That solves the battery problem in the car. But for me, 5:30 hours is usually enough time.

Plus, i like the DS's two screens (it really does become one giant screen, people just won't admit it),

Yeah, with about a half inch in between it. That doesn’t qualify as one big screen. And even if it did, DS’s resolution still falls short of PSP’s. (PSP – 130,560 pixels on one screen, DS – 49,152 pixels on one screen.)

[Dark Penguin]

Them movies are out for the PSP. You said "but WHAT movies?" I gave you a list of movies. And now you say the movies are not out everywhere. A Wal-Mart close to me has N64 games (few but they still have them). Another Wal-Mart about 20 mins away doesn't have any N64 games. Not every store has the same stuff. You will most likely never find all them movies in one places. But never the less they are out.

How could they be throwing away their money? They had National Treasure, XXX, Kill Bill, Hero and a few others at my Wal-Mart. They had around 25-30 boxes of each movie. I came back a week or so later and they were all gone or only 2 or 3 left. You add it up, at 20 dollars a movie and see if they throwed their money away (and that's just one store).
No there isn't going to be more UMD disks of movies then DVDs. But there will be people that will buy a movie for their PSP.

To make PSP movies, they have to buy a totally different disk than DVDs, in which there is a lower supply. Not only that, but they also don't have deals made for those disks, since Sony is the only [official] producer. These movie companies have deals where they get DVDs dirt cheap. Therefore, it costs MUCH less to make a DVD than a PSP movie. So why go out of your way, pay more for a smaller disk, and reproduce your movies onto this disk which is more expensive, and end up targeting a MUCH smaller market. Hmmm.................something just doesn't add up. Thats why not many movie companies have committed. However, while looking this up i also found that Sony is developing something where you can download PSP movies over the internet. Now that seems much more profitable, and much cooler. Of course there are some minor problems, such as bandwith and download speed, but that is a really cool idea by Sony and I'm sure it will work out great with the PSP - after all, I'm not against it, i just find the features not as useful for the money you pay - but thats just me.


Andb billy, you said that the two DS screens don't count as one big screen - well, your wrong. During the Metroid Prime demo, it uses both screens to create one giant movie - and it works great. What your eyes do, is take the two images and send them to your brain, which puts them both together and makes one giant image - ask anyone who has seen that movie. And do you even have a DS - if not, then thats why. You have to see it to believe it (its how eyeglasses work - they have a space between, but you don't see it, though it is a little different, its the same concept.) And no duh the resolution isn't as good, thats a given. Its like saying that the DS has a touch screen and the PSP doesn't - its quite evident.

[Casual Billy]

And do you even have a DS - if not, then thats why. You have to see it to believe it

No, but I've seen and played the Metroid demo on my friend's DS. They might be using it as one screen, but the gap is still noticeable(sp?) in my opinion.

its how eyeglasses work - they have a space between, but you don't see it, though it is a little different, its the same concept.

Not the same. With eyeglasses the lens is right over your eye, right up on it. Maybe it'd be the same if you held your DS up to your face. But then how would you control the touch screen? Yeah, DS's two screens do not make an effective single screen. They just don't. And I brought up resolution because it seemed relevent at the time. It seemed like you were using the fact that DS's two screens can be USED as one screen (ineffectively IMO), to make the dual screen concept seem more credible while simultaneously givING DS screen capability comparable to PSP.

[Dark Penguin]

Then you should've played your friends demo a little longer, if you even did. Maybe it does take some getting used to, but once you do it DOES make an EFFECTIVE single screen. Trust me - i OWN one. The dual screen concept is very credible - thats why Nintendo has sold over 5 million units. And screen size has nothing to do with resolution, so no, it wasn't relevent.

[John Denver]

"National Treasure", "Pirates Of Caribbean", "Kill Bill, Vol 1", "Are We There Yet?", "Hero", "Hitch", "Charlie's Angels", "Reign Of Fire", "Anacondas: The Hunt For The Blood Orchid", "Daddy Day Care", "You Got Served", "The Grudge", "Hollow Man", "XXX", "Hellboy", "Once Upon a Time in Mexico", "Resident Evil: Apocalypse"
And that's just for right now, more movies will come out when they come out on DVD/VHS.

And I'm sure every PSP owner will be rushing to buy uuber cool movies like "You got served" and "Charlies Angels" >_>

The PSP movie library is small to say the least...and if I were to buy a PSP, it would definately be for the games...And seeing as both the portables games feign me no interest at all, I'm gonna stay indifferent for now...

But if a Zelda game ever came out on DS O_O

[Pogiforce-14]

They more than likely will. At any rate, I myself am anxiously awaiting Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles DS, and Animal Crossing DS.

BEtween the DS and the PSP, I vote the DS. True, the PSP may have better screen resolution, i wouldn't know,and true, teh PSP may be able to play movies and music, but think about that for a minute.

At this point, Portable DVD players are easy enough to pick up, and as usual, can play music as well. what makes them better in those qualities is that they don't require new media. I don't know about you, but I'd rather take my POkemon DVD and just pop it into teh player instead of hunting and hoping PSP has made a mini version of it. As for music, MP3 players and Cd players would still be the prefered medium. For the exact same reason: They don't want to have to invest in a new medium. So in terms of gaming, PSP's added functions are purely superficial.

The DS added functions, however, add to teh gameplay. The touchscreen has proven itself to be quite an exhilerating function, plus when you have menus to scroll through, it tends to be easier to just push it than having to move a cursor over it first.

Which is why my vote would go to the DS. In terms of being a marketable game system, I believe DS wins.

[Casual Billy]

And screen size has nothing to do with resolution, so no, it wasn't relevent.

Yes it does. For example, a 32 inch television with 130,560 pixels would look like crap. On a 4.3 inch screen though, it's almost HD quality. More pixels per square inch. See?

[Arcanine]

To make PSP movies, they have to buy a totally different disk than DVDs, in which there is a lower supply. Not only that, but they also don't have deals made for those disks, since Sony is the only [official] producer. These movie companies have deals where they get DVDs dirt cheap. Therefore, it costs MUCH less to make a DVD than a PSP movie. So why go out of your way, pay more for a smaller disk, and reproduce your movies onto this disk which is more expensive, and end up targeting a MUCH smaller market. Hmmm.................something just doesn't add up. Thats why not many movie companies have committed. However, while looking this up i also found that Sony is developing something where you can download PSP movies over the internet. Now that seems much more profitable, and much cooler. Of course there are some minor problems, such as bandwith and download speed, but that is a really cool idea by Sony and I'm sure it will work out great with the PSP - after all, I'm not against it, i just find the features not as useful for the money you pay - but thats just me.If they want to spend money to make the movies on a UMD disk then they can. They will have a good many people buy the movies on their PSP.

And I'm sure every PSP owner will be rushing to buy uuber cool movies like "You got served" and "Charlies Angels" >_>I posted the movies, I didn't say they were all good. XD

[Pogiforce-14]

I seriously doubt people will buy these movies. As I said, people would rather buy a real movie than a diskett version, especially since the library is limited compared to all the cheap DVDs out for these same movies on actual DVD players. Plus, the portable DVD players have larger screens, so you can better enjoy the movie. no sense going out of your way for a movie that will have a resolution hardly any better than GBA Video.

[TRIFORCE89]

I seriously doubt people will buy these movies. As I said, people would rather buy a real movie than a diskett version, especially since the library is limited compared to all the cheap DVDs out for these same movies on actual DVD players. Plus, the portable DVD players have larger screens, so you can better enjoy the movie. no sense going out of your way for a movie that will have a resolution hardly any better than GBA Video.
I love Nintendo, very much (played the PSP again today. Still wasn't impressed and left it to play WarioWare: Touched!), but I'm going to have to correct you.

A UMD movie looks much much much better than GBA Video will ever look (are they even continuing it?) But I agree, with your other points. The PSP has superior resolution compared to the GBA.

[Pogiforce-14]

But still, it isn't superior to a portable DVD player. That was my point.

[Arcanine]

But still, it isn't superior to a portable DVD player. That was my point.
A portable DVD player can't download movies. A portable DVD player can't download songs. A portable DVD player can't play games. You can't take a portable DVD player with you and listen to music while riding a bike. A portable DVD player does have a larger screen, but that's about it.

[Brittany]

And I'm sure every PSP owner will be rushing to buy uuber cool movies like "You got served" and "Charlies Angels" >_>

The PSP movie library is small to say the least...and if I were to buy a PSP, it would definately be for the games...And seeing as both the portables games feign me no interest at all, I'm gonna stay indifferent for now...

But if a Zelda game ever came out on DS O_O
Oh come on Dakota =P
It's a start, and atleast it leaves the option out there...At this point, Portable DVD players are easy enough to pick up, and as usual, can play music as well. what makes them better in those qualities is that they don't require new media. I don't know about you, but I'd rather take my POkemon DVD and just pop it into teh player instead of hunting and hoping PSP has made a mini version of it. As for music, MP3 players and Cd players would still be the prefered medium. For the exact same reason: They don't want to have to invest in a new medium. So in terms of gaming, PSP's added functions are purely superficial.

The DS added functions, however, add to teh gameplay. The touchscreen has proven itself to be quite an exhilerating function, plus when you have menus to scroll through, it tends to be easier to just push it than having to move a cursor over it first.

Which is why my vote would go to the DS. In terms of being a marketable game system, I believe DS wins.
The functions aren't 'purely superficial'. They serve the function just as any other device would, just optomized for the PSP's screen size and resolution. A mini DVD player is larger than a PSP, and means another device to bring around. Bring around that DS -and- a mini DVD player? Most mini DVD players don't have a harddrive or memory cards to put music on either, which means you would be stuck carrying an mp3 or CD player too!
Add a PDA for internet access and a word processor... I don't think I have that many pockets O.oI seriously doubt people will buy these movies. As I said, people would rather buy a real movie than a diskett version, especially since the library is limited compared to all the cheap DVDs out for these same movies on actual DVD players. Plus, the portable DVD players have larger screens, so you can better enjoy the movie. no sense going out of your way for a movie that will have a resolution hardly any better than GBA Video.Regardless, it still leaves the option out there. 1.8GB is far more than GBA's media too, meaning you could put multiple episodes of a show on a disc too, with much better resolution, a larger screen size, and better sound quality. I guess with DS you could run two different episodes of a show on each screen at once though =P

And for everyone here- DVDs aren't optomized for portable DVD players! It will never look as good on a mini DVD screen as it was first meant to be watched on.

[Dark Penguin]

If you have enough time to watch a movie on your PSP, your most likely gonna be traveling long distances, so you mayaswell bring ur portable DVD player, mp3 player, and DS. That way you can watch your entire DVD section, not the 2 UMD disks you have. Plus, i always use my mp3 player and my DS - mp3 players are very small (esp. mine). Not that big a deal. And no it won't look as good on a portable DVD player as opposed to a big screen, but it'll sure look a lot better than on the PSP.

And finally, billy, we were talking about screen SIZE, which has nothing to do with resolution, even though you can relate it. It's like me pointing out in our screen SIZE debate that the DS bottom screen is a touch screen. It may realte, but it isn't RELEVANT.

[Casual Billy]

And finally, billy, we were talking about screen SIZE, which has nothing to do with resolution, even though you can relate it.

Actually, screen SIZE is an integral aspect of its resolution. Just as my example before illustrated. The number of pixels on a screen (its resolution) means nothing without the screen size. I know it wasn't your original intention to focus on this aspect of screen size but I brought it up anyway. They are very closely related.

If you have enough time to watch a movie on your PSP, your most likely gonna be traveling long distances, so you mayaswell bring ur portable DVD player, mp3 player, and DS. That way you can watch your entire DVD section, not the 2 UMD disks you have. Plus, i always use my mp3 player and my DS - mp3 players are very small (esp. mine). Not that big a deal. And no it won't look as good on a portable DVD player as opposed to a big screen, but it'll sure look a lot better than on the PSP.

So are you saying that PSP is a bad movie player because its library is small compared to a DVD player's? And why would I want to carry three things (the DVD player alone is much bigger than PSP), when I could carry one with some of the same functionality? And I'm assuming that you've never seen a movie on PSP. It's very high-quality. You should check it out some time. Especially before you assert that portable DVD players look "a lot better than on the PSP."

Here's a question that's been bugging me though. Maybe you can answer it. I've just been noticing that every DS fan will try to discredit PSP's multimedia functions by saying that it's not as good as a dedicated machine or that "GAMING SYSTEMS!!" should not be judged on how much multimedia functionality they have. There's validity to the latter but the former argument is what got me thinking. Why is it that PSP offers music, movies, pictures, and games and does them all well (games- extremely well IMO) but DS does games, ... And falls short in that one category? If Nintendo is gonna keep making these game-focused machines that don't do anything else, why can't they make one that fulfills this one function better than anything else. I mean, look at the technical specs of each system. PSP blows DS out of the water. It's a better gaming platform and has media functions as well. DS just plays games and not very many or many that are very good. So, I guess my only gripe with the DS is that, as a dedicated machine, it fails to be the best in the only field that it occupies.

[Lucifer]

Isn't that PSP in your sig the old design?

[Zero ex]

Isn't that PSP in your sig the old design?
Yes, that psp is the old model, i like more the new model.

[Casual Billy]

I liked this picture though. I don't know. I'll probably change it when I can find a better one.

[Pogiforce-14]

Actually, screen SIZE is an integral aspect of its resolution. Just as my example before illustrated. The number of pixels on a screen (its resolution) means nothing without the screen size. I know it wasn't your original intention to focus on this aspect of screen size but I brought it up anyway. They are very closely related.



So are you saying that PSP is a bad movie player because its library is small compared to a DVD player's? And why would I want to carry three things (the DVD player alone is much bigger than PSP), when I could carry one with some of the same functionality? And I'm assuming that you've never seen a movie on PSP. It's very high-quality. You should check it out some time. Especially before you assert that portable DVD players look "a lot better than on the PSP."

Here's a question that's been bugging me though. Maybe you can answer it. I've just been noticing that every DS fan will try to discredit PSP's multimedia functions by saying that it's not as good as a dedicated machine or that "GAMING SYSTEMS!!" should not be judged on how much multimedia functionality they have. There's validity to the latter but the former argument is what got me thinking. Why is it that PSP offers music, movies, pictures, and games and does them all well (games- extremely well IMO) but DS does games, ... And falls short in that one category? If Nintendo is gonna keep making these game-focused machines that don't do anything else, why can't they make one that fulfills this one function better than anything else. I mean, look at the technical specs of each system. PSP blows DS out of the water. It's a better gaming platform and has media functions as well. DS just plays games and not very many or many that are very good. So, I guess my only gripe with the DS is that, as a dedicated machine, it fails to be the best in the only field that it occupies.

Dude, your starting a flame war, and I guess you must be new to forums, so I'll just let you know that here and that's a nono. But since you opened a whole new can of worms, DS brings more gameplayability to the table than PSP could ever hope to dream of. The DS lists of games may seem minor right now, but they are each ten times better than any psp game, and in a matter of a couple months the DS library is going to explode. But I don't see any major releases planned for the PSP. IMO, it looks like PSP is starting to fizzle out before it even really takes off. In my neighborhood, I've seen about 7 DS and only one PSP. ANd that one PSP owner, as much as he likes his system, admits that the Touch screen brings more to the game than PSP could, and that the multimedia features as you call them, add-ons to me, do really nothing that hardware he already has can do better. MP3 players can fit in the palm of your hand, and POrtable DVD players are indeed much better by conventionality. So before you start making poor generalizations about the DS and it's supporters, put the shoe on the other foot pal. You are talking about DS fans supposed "excuses", but your acting like a biggot. Some representative you are for PSP.

[Dark Penguin]

Actually, screen SIZE is an integral aspect of its resolution. Just as my example before illustrated. The number of pixels on a screen (its resolution) means nothing without the screen size. I know it wasn't your original intention to focus on this aspect of screen size but I brought it up anyway. They are very closely related.



So are you saying that PSP is a bad movie player because its library is small compared to a DVD player's? And why would I want to carry three things (the DVD player alone is much bigger than PSP), when I could carry one with some of the same functionality? And I'm assuming that you've never seen a movie on PSP. It's very high-quality. You should check it out some time. Especially before you assert that portable DVD players look "a lot better than on the PSP."

Here's a question that's been bugging me though. Maybe you can answer it. I've just been noticing that every DS fan will try to discredit PSP's multimedia functions by saying that it's not as good as a dedicated machine or that "GAMING SYSTEMS!!" should not be judged on how much multimedia functionality they have. There's validity to the latter but the former argument is what got me thinking. Why is it that PSP offers music, movies, pictures, and games and does them all well (games- extremely well IMO) but DS does games, ... And falls short in that one category? If Nintendo is gonna keep making these game-focused machines that don't do anything else, why can't they make one that fulfills this one function better than anything else. I mean, look at the technical specs of each system. PSP blows DS out of the water. It's a better gaming platform and has media functions as well. DS just plays games and not very many or many that are very good. So, I guess my only gripe with the DS is that, as a dedicated machine, it fails to be the best in the only field that it occupies.

OK, where should i start in this long list of ranting and raving. I don't care if screen size and resolution are closely related, we were talking about size so i don't care how closely they are related because i was talking about size and size alone.

And yes, if a movie player has a VERY small library, that doesn't make it all that useful, now, does it? Once the online movie download comes out, then it will be much more usable. But for now, unless you are rich and can afford the gig memory sticks, it isn't that useable. I was just talking to a guy who has a PSP at my school, and he was complaining how he can only fit 2 min clips on his PSP. And yes, I've watched movies on the PSP before, i found one and kept it for a week (b4 its owner came to me for it). So i have eperienced the PSP and all its features. And my friend has a portable DVD player, and we've watched movies on road trips, and yes its better than the PSP (not by an overwhelming amt, but still better).

GAMING systems have to do with games, not movies and pics and music. If they can do that on the side that is really cool, but when talking about GAMING systems we are generally talking about VIDEO GAMES. And saying the PSP is a better gaming system is clearly your opinion, and by far not a fact. In fact, besides the better graphics, ask anyone and they will say the DS's GAMING features are better than the PSP (touch screen, dual screen, etc.). And you say the DS's games aren't very good, but that too is opinion. After all, most of the PSP's games are just remakes of PS2 games, even IGN said that. And while the DS doens't have too many good ones out yet, it is backwards compatible, meaning it can utalize over thousands of GBA games in addition, and it also has hundreds of great games coming out.

And your griping about the DS not having media functionabilities is not justified - have you heard about the DS media player coming out? Of course not, because you make arguements without bothering to look up any facts. This media player will go in the GBA slot, will use mem. chips that can hold large amts. of data, and can play movies, pics, and music. The only difference is better graphics on the PSP.

Therefore, i have just proved how you are just ranting and raving to prove you un-supported points, while other people actually back up their arguements with facts. You are arguing just to prove that your opinion is a fact, when teh rest of us are just stating our opinion and why we believe in it. You are a bad representation to the PSP, which is a very good system, but you need to stop bashing or you could very well get reported.

[Casual Billy]

GAMING systems have to do with games, not movies and pics and music. If they can do that on the side that is really cool, but when talking about GAMING systems we are generally talking about VIDEO GAMES. And saying the PSP is a better gaming system is clearly your opinion, and by far not a fact. In fact, besides the better graphics, ask anyone and they will say the DS's GAMING features are better than the PSP (touch screen, dual screen, etc.).

That's exactly the kind of response I was talking about...

I was speaking both about hardware and about software when I said that PSP is a better gaming system. DS doesn't have the hardware to make it better than PSP at games. Oh yeah, I forgot. It has a touch screen...Now I can look at my maps on one screen and play the game on the other! CaN YoU sAy ReVoLuTiOnArY?!!!11!!1! No, it's not enough to outweigh all the conventional and traditional aspects of a good gaming system that PSP does right. To this you'll probably say that WarioWare and FTM use the touch screen very well. Those games are just mini-game compilations though and are very short. [Then you'll say "but WarioWare has 180 mini games! Too bad most are only 5 seconds long] If this is all that Nintendo had in mind for their revolution to portable gaming, then I think it'd be wiser to stick with a system that gets all of the traditional stuff right [analog, graphics, wide variety]. And then you said:

DS's GAMING features are better than the PSP (touch screen, dual screen, etc.).

You named touch screen and dual screen as two separate gaming features for DS as if two screens would be an arguably advantageous feature without the presence of touch-sensitive technology. They're basically the same feature. And I wonder what the "etc" features are?? [Here's where you say "it has a microphone!" Too bad a USB port on PSP makes a mic possible too...whomp whomp.]

After all, most of the PSP's games are just remakes of PS2 games, even IGN said that.

Most are remakes? I think you probably re-worded what they said a little bit. Sequals and follow-ups are different than remakes. If they weren't then you could say that Mario 64 was just a remake of the Super NES version. Of PSP's launch titles it had:

6 exclusive EA sports titles
A new Ridge Racer
A new Twisted Metal
An orginal puzzler: Lumines
A new Wipeout: Wipeout Pure
A new Darkstalkers: Darkstalkers: Chronicles

And those were launch titles. Let's look at DS's launch:

SuperMario 64DS: *coughportcough*
Ridge Racer: While PSP's was a new game that also had every track in the entire series, DS's was just a port of the N64 game
WarioWare
FTM
There were two others...I just can't think of them. 6 titles on launch day as compared to 24...

And in only a few months the list will expand even greater:

Smartbomb
Coded Arms
FF VII spin off
(there are more but those are just the ones off the top of my head)

And while the DS doens't have too many good ones out yet, it is backwards compatible, meaning it can utalize over thousands of GBA games in addition, and it also has hundreds of great games coming out.

I don't think those games count as DS's. I mean, I wouldn't actually have to have a DS to play them so, i think I'll hold onto my GBA for those "over thousands" (<you need to check that out. GBA does not have "over thousands" of games.)

And your griping about the DS not having media functionabilities is not justified - have you heard about the DS media player coming out? Of course not, because you make arguements without bothering to look up any facts.

First of all, the correct word to use there would have been "functionality" and not "functionabilities" as the latter word is not real...

I never said that DS will never have a media player *checks post* No, I didn't. I said the "DS does games..." See that "does"? It's present tense. And don't assume that i don't know about the Play-Yan and what it can do. Right now it's only available in Japan for order from Nintendo's ecommerce(sp?) site with no release set for America. I guess you better cross your fingers??? And even when the DS has Play-Yan, which would you rather watch a movie on? I already stated before that DS only has 49,152 pixels on one 4:3, 3-inch screen (why's that important? Stay tuned) while PSP has 130,560 on its 16:9, 4.3" widescreen and can display 16.77 million colors compared to DS's 260,000. Which would make a better movie-watching experience? Hmm...And when's DS even getting these media features in America? Hmm....

And the 16:9 widescreen aspect ration of PSP's superior display just adds to its superiority when it comes to movie viewing. 16:9 displays are a closer aspect ratio to the one that the movie is originally shot in so you see more of what the director actually filmed and intended you to see. Check out this page (www.widescreen.org) I think that's the address...Anyway, when they have to format a movie to fit a 4:3 screen, they have to cut out almost 50% of the total shot! Oh man, you should see what you're missing.

Okay, so we've established the fact that DS is not a media player and may never be. Don't argue Play-Yan against PSP's built-in features until it actually exists here...Oh wait, are you Japanese?

Therefore, i have just proved how you are just ranting and raving to prove you un-supported points, while other people actually back up their arguements with facts.

Uhhh....no? You just proved that...? You just proved that...? I give up.

But since you opened a whole new can of worms, DS brings more gameplayability to the table than PSP could ever hope to dream of.

Like what? Touch-centric mini games? I'll pass and go for the console-depth (made possible by PSP's 1.8GB UMD media which holds .3GBs more than GC discs. Looks like PSP will be capable of bigger games than DS "could ever hope to dream of" seeing as how DS carts are 14.4 times smaller in capacity than PSP's discs.[1 gigaBIT vs. 1.8 gigaBYTES where a gigabyte is 8 gigabits]) quality games that I could've only hoped for on consoles until now.

The DS lists of games may seem minor right now, but they are each ten times better than any psp game, and in a matter of a couple months the DS library is going to explode. But I don't see any major releases planned for the PSP.

Yeah, 1/3rd of DS's launch titles were N64 ports and PSP had 24 launch games of which more than half were exclusive. Okay, I guess WarioWare is ten times better than anything else...[/sarcasm]. I actually am waiting for the DS's library to "explode". I mean, it's been out for 5 months and it still didn't have as many games as PSP did at launch. An explosion needs to occur sometime soon...

bashing or you could very well get reported.

Threats? Okay...but I wasn't aware that I did any bashing. I apologize if I did though. I'm not trying to cause any trouble.

[Zero ex]

lets change the subject to the games, Now the ds only have bad games, from ds i only like the mario 64 ds, but in a week i was bored of that game, about the psp it have Metal Gear AC!d, Darkstalkers chronicles: the chaos tower and ridge racer.

[Casual Billy]

Yeah, the games are the main reason that I chose PSP. I'm looking forward to getting Darkstalkers and Coded Arms. If that coded arms is online....AWESOME!

[Brittany]

If you have enough time to watch a movie on your PSP, your most likely gonna be traveling long distances, so you mayaswell bring ur portable DVD player, mp3 player, and DS. That way you can watch your entire DVD section, not the 2 UMD disks you have. Plus, i always use my mp3 player and my DS - mp3 players are very small (esp. mine). Not that big a deal. And no it won't look as good on a portable DVD player as opposed to a big screen, but it'll sure look a lot better than on the PSP.

And finally, billy, we were talking about screen SIZE, which has nothing to do with resolution, even though you can relate it. It's like me pointing out in our screen SIZE debate that the DS bottom screen is a touch screen. It may realte, but it isn't RELEVANT.
Not always, it's still smaller and simplifying anyway. If you're the average DVD player owning American, you probably don't watch each and every DVD that much anyway, which- especially for the PSP owning youth might mean not buying it on DVD in the first place.

And whats this about 2 UMD discs? There are no 2 UMD games or movies out at the moment, but because of it's memory stick support, it still leaves the option out there. And the point of UMDs being optomized for their screen size and resolution meant exactly that- that it does look better on PSP's screen than a portable DVD player...OK, where should i start in this long list of ranting and raving. I don't care if screen size and resolution are closely related, we were talking about size so i don't care how closely they are related because i was talking about size and size alone.Stop where you are- since when do you control what is and isn't allowed to be discussed in the forums. He simply brought up a new point, lets not get a flame war started.And yes, if a movie player has a VERY small library, that doesn't make it all that useful, now, does it? Once the online movie download comes out, then it will be much more usable. But for now, unless you are rich and can afford the gig memory sticks, it isn't that useable. I was just talking to a guy who has a PSP at my school, and he was complaining how he can only fit 2 min clips on his PSP. And yes, I've watched movies on the PSP before, i found one and kept it for a week (b4 its owner came to me for it). So i have eperienced the PSP and all its features. And my friend has a portable DVD player, and we've watched movies on road trips, and yes its better than the PSP (not by an overwhelming amt, but still better).A couple things on this- Sony recently 'gave away' the specifications and such for media developers, which means soon, memory sticks won't be the only thing we can store media on.

Next, for crying out loud, it still leaves the option out there. It's not like we'll be rushing for every movie that comes out, but if there are one or two you would like to have on UMD, you can buy them. We won't be seeing that option on the DS, and you keep implying(sorry if I misinterpreted it), that the average human being doesn't mind carrying a DS, mp3 player, portable DVD player, and a PDA around- plus all of their media. Seriously, you can't take away from the quality of a product by adding a completely optional feature to it. And regardless, there will always be a member or two who actually do like the features. Dismissing another's personal preferance just because it doesn't fit yours isn't very nice.

And your griping about the DS not having media functionabilities is not justified - have you heard about the DS media player coming out? Of course not, because you make arguements without bothering to look up any facts. This media player will go in the GBA slot, will use mem. chips that can hold large amts. of data, and can play movies, pics, and music. The only difference is better graphics on the PSP.That wasn't what he meant- he was talking about how you constantly discredit the option of multimedia capabilities. Ironic that you talk about a DS media player now- you're refuting yourself.

Therefore, i have just proved how you are just ranting and raving to prove you un-supported points, while other people actually back up their arguements with facts. You are arguing just to prove that your opinion is a fact, when teh rest of us are just stating our opinion and why we believe in it. You are a bad representation to the PSP, which is a very good system, but you need to stop bashing or you could very well get reported.
Excuse me, you have been bashing personal preferance and making statements without any support more than anyone else here. The thread was meant to post which system you prefer, and why. Not to disregard, and disrespect other's for their preferances.

Billy, you too. Don't bash DS's features. Sorry about making that part short cmatz0, I know you probably feel as if you should be justified now... *considers deleting post*

[Casual Billy]

Billy, you too. Don't bash DS's features.

I am sorry. It was not my intention to offend anyone or start a "flame war". cmatz just attacked me and...whatever. It's over. Hopefully we're cool now.

*considers deleting post

Please don't. I brought up a lot of facts about each system that could be salutary to the purpose of this thread. I will edit it if you want, but please don't delete it.

[Houndour2005]

I have voted for Nintendo DS.

[Dark Penguin]

yeah, i guess this did get a little out of control. meh, guess its a side effect of being a member of gundams.net for too long, considering that forum was one giant flame war, and people posted in threads for the sole purpose of bashing the person who started the thread. but for the record, i never [meant] to say that the PSP's media features are stupid, i just meant that the movie feature has not been executed well so far (of couse its still a very new system). If they are finding a way to store media on a different medium than memory sticks, then thats great for all PSP owners. Plus the online movie dl will be very sweet. And i always thought the music and pictures thing was cool, so thats why i thought the DS media player is going to be cool. Sorry if people took me to being a little assertive.

Anyway, regarding games, it is pretty easy since so far the PSP has much better games out, but i like the DS's future lineup (esp. when you throw internet feature into the lineup).

[Dark_Serebii]

DS! ^_^; I preferr Nintendo much over Sony. Not only that, but I've heard people complaining about getting dead pixels. They said in order to return the PSP before the 90-day return policiy expires, they need at least 10 dead pixels. If they don't, than it's a waste of a perfectly good $300+.

Besides, the DS has one thing that PSP will never have - Pokemon.

[Lucifer]

That's one thing which angers me about Sony's returns policy. Over ten dead pixels or no refund? Ridiculous. If you spend that kind of money on a handheld then you expect it to be in 100% perfect condition.

Hopefully Sony Europe will veto the policy when it's launched over here, because it'll annoy me to no end if I receive a PSP with dead pixels, but can't exchange it because there's "not enough to warrant a swap"...

[Dark_Serebii]

I know how you feel. I have so many dead pixels on my GBA. I don't really care, since the only reason I use it is for my AR. Nevertheless, Sony probably wants to soak up every penny they can get. Scavangers. o_O

[Ash_Pokemaster]

Well, PSP is MUCH better. But I'm a Nintendo Freak so no doubt my fav is DS

[charizard_maa]

I like the DS better.

THe PSP is made from SOny which means it may have some problems (like the PS2). THe PSP also cost so much and then you got pay more in order fro you can listen to music and watch movies. What does the PSP cost? About $250? Then you still have to buy games and them memory stick for your other games. Then if you want to play movies and music you got buy the movie or music disc for it. SO that even more money. All that money I going be wasting for that extra junk I could be useing to buy games for my DS/GBA.

I don't want my handheld to playing music or movies. I want it to play games. If I want to listen to music I just grab my CD player and but in a CD which I can also listen to when I playing my game too on my DS/GBA. If I want to watch a movie. Then i grab the portalable DVD player. that simple.

[saint jimmmey]

BUT!!!
the psp has a massive flaw the BATTERY it's ok arguing about which is better (ds) but the psp's battery life is crap it's only about 4 hours next to about 10 hours on the ds.
isn't the whole point of portable games that you can take them around with you (plane car etc.) it's just dumb that you have to keep running back to a plug sockett to charge it up....it's true though and don't try to deny it (psp owners)
and most people haven't given the ds a chance.just because the touch screen is something new most people all say it's crap and a gimmik!!
so most people have gone for raw power with a rubbish battery life over something that's new....thats a sad reflection on the modern gaming industry...:(