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Ice demon
January 15th, 2004, 01:04 PM
Well i am a big LoTR fan and what not and after seeing that there are others here like me in an earlier post i decided to make a thread dealing with questions that might arise in the books and the movie.
For instant what is "Telperion" that aragorn refered to when he found the seedling of the white tree in the return of the king[book]in chapter titled THE STEWARD AND THE KING.
Or who is Saurons master or even where did Galadriel come from??
I don't know all about Tolkien and his books and i hope to learn more through this thread.

Cherrim
January 15th, 2004, 02:09 PM
Check the index in ROTK, it lists Telperion in the "Things" index. ^_^ You may be able to make more sense of the information than I can. XD

Aimy
January 15th, 2004, 03:05 PM
I thought Morgoth (or wat's his name) is Sauron's master in the first age, Galadriel came from Valinor in the (or before) First Age didn't she? She went with the other elves to get the Sim...(just how do you spell that word) um ok the name for those 3 jewels that some elf guy created which Morgoth stole.

punkie90
January 15th, 2004, 04:36 PM
Hmm. A thread about LoTR! * Try's to get friend to join * My friend loves LoTR! But he doesn't read the books. Plus he is a slow reader!

Aimy
January 15th, 2004, 07:50 PM
I've read all three of LOTR books (well ok my mum got them for me since I was really into Legolas and all that...used to have a website about him...) And that other book called The Silma-something ok it's a long word! I didn't read the whole thing though, just picked out good parts like Glorfindel vs Balrog and other parts.

igtica
January 16th, 2004, 01:14 AM
Read the simarillion, it tells you everything! The white tree goes back as a it is linked to those in the land where the elves sail back too, but this is all too complex to explain. Reason why and where they go is all in the simarillion. Sauron was lieutenant to one of the valar (Melkor), who brought elves into shadow that did not listen to another valar and made them the moriqueyna (orcs). Again this is all in the simarillion. Galadriel is daughter of some of the elves that stayed in middle earth, that's how she came to be. Again in the simarillion. lol what can I say! READ THE SIMARILLION! It's a great read! Plus you'll learn about Valar, the beginning of elves men, dwarves and all of Ea from Iluvatar's song and so much more.

100marios
January 16th, 2004, 12:34 PM
I couldn't of said it better myself Igtica! Really hehe. I don't own the silmarillion, (I would like to get it though!) but I do know a bit about it.
....oh...and for those who read the Lord of the Rings books, have you seen anywhere in it that stated that Aragorn is 87? My dad read the books 4 times in his life and never crossed anything about it either. I bet it is in the silmarillion though.....yay! I saw the movie again on saturday! I want to see it again!

igtica
January 16th, 2004, 02:29 PM
I couldn't of said it better myself Igtica! Really hehe. I don't own the silmarillion, (I would like to get it though!) but I do know a bit about it.
....oh...and for those who read the Lord of the Rings books, have you seen anywhere in it that stated that Aragorn is 87? My dad read the books 4 times in his life and never crossed anything about it either. I bet it is in the silmarillion though.....yay! I saw the movie again on saturday! I want to see it again!
If you look in the appendix it explains a timeline of events. Remember Numenor are rare, but can live longer than the usual man...that being what Aragorn is (lol have you seen the two towers extended edition, poor eowyn).

John Denver
January 16th, 2004, 04:24 PM
There are LOTR Books? Do they follow the movie good? :D:D:D

Just kidding, i know there are books...but

X---SPOILERS---X

in the end of the lotr books I heard that frodo died. but in Return of TK he is saved by gandalf...is this true? Did jackson do this cause he thought frodo dying would be too IMMENSE!!

hmm, I dunno

BOO ya!

Kairi
January 16th, 2004, 05:03 PM
No, Frodo does not die in the books. o_o; He doesnt wrestle Gollum though like he does in the movie.

100marios
January 16th, 2004, 05:53 PM
If you look in the appendix it explains a timeline of events. Remember Numenor are rare, but can live longer than the usual man...that being what Aragorn is (lol have you seen the two towers extended edition, poor eowyn).
Yeah I saw it in the extended, Aragorn poured it all over his hand hehe....ouch, I guess Eowyn isn't known for her cooking. At least Aragorn liked the drink she gave him in Rotk! I knew he was one of the Numenor though, proving that hey, I know something about Lotr!..............yeah! I wanna see it again!

Ice demon
January 17th, 2004, 08:40 AM
I know i LOVE the Silmarillion it is one of my most favorite books - i read it 4 times.
Oh by the way igtica the word is moriquendi [dark elves] and it doesn't refer to orcs but to elves that didn't go to Valinor in the time of the Trees and never saw the light before the sun and moon.So they are called dark elves -Sindar, nandor [not noldor] , laiquendi, eglath, falathrim [Cirdain].However u are correct in stating that orcs were originally elves who were captured by Melkor, but their name is not Morquendi.

By the way the questions i posted are examples of questions not really questions ^_^.I guess i should have stated that 0_o.

igtica
January 17th, 2004, 11:36 AM
I know i LOVE the Silmarillion it is one of my most favorite books - i read it 4 times.
Oh by the way igtica the word is moriquendi [dark elves] and it doesn't refer to orcs but to elves that didn't go to Valinor in the time of the Trees and never saw the light before the sun and moon.So they are called dark elves -Sindar, nandor [not noldor] , laiquendi, eglath, falathrim [Cirdain].However u are correct in stating that orcs were originally elves who were captured by Melkor, but their name is not Morquendi.

By the way the questions i posted are examples of questions not really questions ^_^.I guess i should have stated that 0_o.lol would have helped. Hey those which were left in the dark (moriquendi) are all those that didn't go to Valinor like you stated, I like to remember the orcs as part of them as they the missing part as they were left behind also. lol just my own mind works, though in truth sense you can't relate to them, I know as they are no longer elves, as they are a seperate race (lol biology revision reminds me of this when a species has the same origin but are changed by their enviroment so much that they can no longer ...umm yeah shut up with that)...it's just my own attachment to them as the 'forgotten' elves. It was never their fault...*sniff* they were tortured by Melkor and became so disfigured. I think the creation of dwarves as kinda sad, as it was like a mistake, and so they had to be hidden away in a sleep until the 'true' children of Iluvatar came about. I think they should have been left to go free, as technically they are the first race of Ea (bar the Valar), just weren't allowed to exisit till the elves (and then the men) came to be.

Aimy
January 17th, 2004, 02:02 PM
I couldn't of said it better myself Igtica! Really hehe. I don't own the silmarillion, (I would like to get it though!) but I do know a bit about it.
....oh...and for those who read the Lord of the Rings books, have you seen anywhere in it that stated that Aragorn is 87? My dad read the books 4 times in his life and never crossed anything about it either. I bet it is in the silmarillion though.....yay! I saw the movie again on saturday! I want to see it again!

I thought Aragorn was more than a hundred when he joined in the Fellowship... well that's what I've heard somewhere...

H.A.W.K.
January 17th, 2004, 02:51 PM
At least he look's like it. But I don't think he is over 100 years old though. that would be weird!

Aimy
January 17th, 2004, 03:51 PM
Numoreans (can't spell) live longer than average people, and Aragorn is a descendent of those people so it can happen.

Ice demon
January 17th, 2004, 04:52 PM
Yes it is sad that the orcs were tortured elves...*sniff* but i guess Melkor paid for his acts.As for dwarfs i din't particularly feel sorry for them as they were created directly from the mind of the Valar[Aule] who rules over their crafts of stone work and who they love.It is how they would have wanted it i think.It was however immposible for them to go free and at least they would have awoken after the Valar's first war against Melkor for the elves sake.

Aragorn i don't think was over 100 but i could be wrong as i have not read LoTR for a long time.
The word is Numenoreans and they did live longer as it was a gift for their labours in the first age.
How about ents are u not sad for them????
I love Telperion and don't like Laurelin. ^_^.

Aimy
January 17th, 2004, 11:27 PM
The ents lives a VERY VERY long life, Tolkien actually got the idea from Shakespeare's play Macbeth, it tells of a forest going to kill this evil king or something but Shakespeare made the humans using tree branch disguises to be the walking forest and Tokien got really pissed since he wanted to see real trees moving about and he made the ents.

100marios
January 17th, 2004, 11:36 PM
The ents lives a VERY VERY long life, Tolkien actually got the idea from Shakespeare's play Macbeth, it tells of a forest going to kill this evil king or something but Shakespeare made the humans using tree branch disguises to be the walking forest and Tokien got really pissed since he wanted to see real trees moving about and he made the ents.
Never heard of that hehe. The ents are as old as Middle-Earth itself so they know many things about it. For those of you who read the books, they made a list, or song, about every living thing in Middle-Earth. They had no idea that hobbits existed until Merry and Pippin showed up......funny, although Pippin wasn't all too bright in the books, he hardly has any common sense in the movies hehe. His heart is in the right place in both of them though! *smiles*

Ice demon
January 18th, 2004, 08:40 AM
that is very interesting i never knew that ents were had their beginnings in Macbeth.I also have heard that the elvish speech had its origins in the old finnish song/tale/poem the Kadivala[spelling???].
has anyone ever read the unfinished tales????

latios tamer
January 18th, 2004, 09:57 AM
not to brag but i really am a lotr movie not book, geniuse (even though i read those too)

Cherrim
January 18th, 2004, 12:05 PM
=\ The movies would be easier to "master" for lack of a better word because the visuals are all right there and they're much shorter and easier to follow at times.

I don't know about anyone else, but I found the books kind of hard to read and I would find myself skimming through most parts because they bored me. X_x;

Aimy
January 18th, 2004, 04:28 PM
Some parts of the books are hard to understand, I remember pondering about one sentence that had possibly two meanings and I asked my mum but she's not expert and I got really pissed off...

igtica
January 19th, 2004, 08:03 AM
lol people bragging now :p hey I'm a mod for a LoTR site, but yah don't hear me bragging. I've read the unfinished tales Ice demon, I guess you have. Anyone else gone the the exhibtion in london? It was really awesome seeing the props. The books aren't hard, it's just Tolkien puts so much detail into some sections and you can get lost in all the imagery...well I did :p

*still feels sorry for dwarves* I just felt it they made up reasons not to let them be free. Ooo anyone know any elvish?

100marios
January 19th, 2004, 08:11 AM
lol people bragging now :p hey I'm a mod for a LoTR site, but yah don't hear me bragging. I've read the unfinished tales Ice demon, I guess you have. Anyone else gone the the exhibtion in london? It was really awesome seeing the props. The books aren't hard, it's just Tolkien puts so much detail into some sections and you can get lost in all the imagery...well I did :p

*still feels sorry for dwarves* I just felt it they made up reasons not to let them be free. Ooo anyone know any elvish?
Oh I feel sorry for the dwarves too, not only about their past but how they are now,Gimli is so under appreciated. That's one reason why I suppose if they made a movie of "The Hobbit" it wouldn't do as good as Lotr, everyone likes the elves and men! I like them all, the each have an important part in Middle-Earth. The Hobbit would be good to us, the actual Lotr fans, but a lot of people probably won't like it as much, there's not as much at stake.

Oh, I wish I knew elvish!....I do know one word though! "Mellon!" Hehe....

latios tamer
January 19th, 2004, 01:31 PM
*still feels sorry for dwarves* I just felt it they made up reasons not to let them be free. Ooo anyone know any elvish?
well, i know a few words like

mellon-friend

thyir- die

kadamaneek- thousand
and i know more i just cant think of any

Ice demon
January 20th, 2004, 03:39 PM
minas- tower [i think its Sindarian]
celeb- silver in quenya
anga- iron in sindarian
anca- jaw
alda- tree in quenya..............thats all i remember so far......wait ummmmmmmm....helka- ice in quenya :P

i understood most of the book the first time and by the second time i understood it almost completely.
Hey igtica what LoTR web site are u a mod of ?????????
I personally don't care for dwarves :P
Ents are old but they are not as old as middle earth..they were created when dwarfs were created and came into the world when dwarves awoke from their set sleep.

barog- demon[actually demon of might] in sindarian.......i just remembered it

latios tamer
January 20th, 2004, 04:08 PM
actually its balrog not barog

Ice demon
January 24th, 2004, 05:47 PM
Sorry spelling error........it is Balrog ^_^.
So are the silmarils red, yellow and green or are they all one colour as i think they are????? I ask this question as i have heard other people say that they are different colours but i never saw that in the books.

100marios
January 29th, 2004, 03:47 PM
I'm so happy! My sister (older sister) went on a field trip in school to the Rennisance (I don't know how to spell it) festival dressed up and such. She hade a cape with a hood, she had a dress, and she put her hair up in a majestic sorta way. At first glance, you would think she was Arwen! She looked just like her! Her dress looked just like Arwen and everything. She said she had a whole lotta fun. (My class didn't go...boohoo...) They had joustling and human chess, and a lot of cool things.Some people even wanted to take pictures with her, and when she went into Old Navy later, I bet you know who people thought she looked like hehe. She even said that they had a lot of Lotr things. When she came home, she was wearing elf ears!
She brought a few things home, and even something for me!
I wasn't expecting much, but she suprised me when she showed me what she got. She wrapped it in a little towel and extended the handle towards me.
......what happened next was exactly what happnened between Elrond and Aragorn in the Rotk movie, except I was Aragorn and she was Elrond hehe.
Yes, it was a little sword. It's so cool! It looks like Anduril, except there are 2 little sapphire looking gems on the handle. She said I would've had a lot of fun there......chances are I'll go when I get to 11th grade too hehe.

Aimy
January 29th, 2004, 08:06 PM
I really wanted to go see that Lotr exhibition they're holding in Wellington but I'm in Auckland and the chances of me going there for a holiday is somewhere around less than 5 percent...*sniff*

igtica
January 30th, 2004, 01:56 PM
Aww poor Aimy. I went to the exhibtion when it was in London. It was amazing. If that 5% happens then you'll love it ;)

Aimy
January 31st, 2004, 02:39 PM
LUCKY YOU! *tries to strangle herself out of jealousy but doesn't work out quite well*...
say isnt "mae govannen" =hello,grettings in elvish and "amari" =goodbye? Don't know much, just read the book and watched the movies. I tried to learn elvish once but...

igtica
January 31st, 2004, 02:49 PM
lol your right! In quenya I believe. I have no idea really...can't speak french let alone try elvish. but all my WoTR friends say that to me when I say hi :p a few know elvish too. Awww don't strangle yourself! You'll get the chance one day I'm sure :)

Ice demon
February 2nd, 2004, 03:30 PM
I also know a few people who tried to learn some elvish but it never worked out.I myself only know a few words - posted above and thats all *sigh*.

Aimy
February 5th, 2004, 05:50 PM
Remember ages ago when I said Tolkien got the Ents idea from Macbeth? Our english teacher is making us read that play now...I can't understand what they're saying! It's even worse than Romeo and Juliet! *throws the book out the window, then gasp and dive after it realizing she still needs to hand it back to the teacher at the end of the term*

100marios
February 5th, 2004, 05:54 PM
Remember ages ago when I said Tolkien got the Ents idea from Macbeth? Our english teacher is making us read that play now...I can't understand what they're saying! It's even worse than Romeo and Juliet! *throws the book out the window, then gasp and dive after it realizing she still needs to hand it back to the teacher at the end of the term*
Hehe, my sister actually liked the MacBeth stories a lot!
....oh, I want to go see Rotk...
*says in Theoden voice*
one last time!....in the theater! It's just not the same watching it in your house.....

Ice demon
February 7th, 2004, 03:41 PM
I've read Romeo and Juliet and its really bad so if Macbeth is worse then i really feel soory for u ^_^.
Has anyone finished reading Lost Tales - i find it to be half as captivating than any of the other books, not even the parts omitted from the Silmarillion i enjoyed.....can u believe he was putting down Telperion in favour of Lauralin????Its insanity Lauralin seems so blah in comparison to Telperion.

100marios
February 8th, 2004, 07:29 PM
Well this is defenitely very late but.....
Rotk won best picture! Wahoo! I knew it would, although Fantasy films aren't exactly whats favored. It also won for best score (I loved that music!) and best Director, but best picture is what tops it all off!

Aimy
February 9th, 2004, 09:32 PM
That's great news *although I think old news* but I missed that on TV cos of stupid maths homework so Peter finally got his wish...

Crucifer of the Darkness
February 12th, 2004, 08:37 PM
y is it nobody mentions that one book, uh...Unfinished Tales? It has a crap load of information on stuff that's really not described in great detail, like the Palantir and such. Great source of information for those of us that have dreams to write their own Epic...like me! =D

100marios
February 13th, 2004, 04:57 AM
I don't know, but I also read that in the extended version, there is a scene of Aragorn looking into the palantir.
.....oh! And did you know that nearlyhalf of Aragorn's scenes were cut from the theatrical version of Rotk?

igtica
February 13th, 2004, 05:26 AM
the theatrical version looks like it's gonna be weird XD

Ice demon
February 13th, 2004, 10:03 AM
I have read the unfinished tales and it is a good source of ideas and inspiration.I don't think i like the idea of a theatrical LoTR as i think it will have no choice but to cut out large parts of the book which would mean it could never fully do the book justice.However i like the theater so i guess it would not be that bad.

100marios
February 13th, 2004, 02:35 PM
I have read the unfinished tales and it is a good source of ideas and inspiration.I don't think i like the idea of a theatrical LoTR as i think it will have no choice but to cut out large parts of the book which would mean it could never fully do the book justice.However i like the theater so i guess it would not be that bad.
You haven't seen the movies!!!!???
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE MISSING!!!
The movies are awesome!!! Although they do have to cut out some parts, they are usually parts that aren't exactly necessary to the storyline.
They're my all-time favorite movies, and chances are, always will be!
*Wants to go see Rotk for the 3rd time hehe*

Ice demon
February 14th, 2004, 11:46 AM
100marios u misunderstood what i meant.I am talking about the theatre not the movies.And i did see all the movies just as they came out - i may love the books but i still am not one of those people who wouldn't go to see the movie.The theatrical production would not be long enough to fully do justice to the book.

100marios
February 14th, 2004, 12:24 PM
100marios u misunderstood what i meant.I am talking about the theatre not the movies.And i did see all the movies just as they came out - i may love the books but i still am not one of those people who wouldn't go to see the movie.The theatrical production would not be long enough to fully do justice to the book.
Oh, good, I was about to say! The movies are excellent, but I have to agree with you on the length. Didn't the battle of Pelennor Fields last for a couple of days? Or weeks? It seems rather impossible to fit it in one movie, but they did a tremendously good job for the time they had. A lot, although they won't show them all, of the scenes fom the extended edition should help the overall
movie be more like the book, like the past extended editions.

igtica
February 15th, 2004, 07:24 AM
The movies are wonderful Ice demon! I would really put them down if they didn't live up to it. It has to be the only version of anything that doesn't make my fave character really ugly.

100marios
February 15th, 2004, 08:31 AM
The movies are wonderful Ice demon! I would really put them down if they didn't live up to it. It has to be the only version of anything that doesn't make my fave character really ugly.
Who? Legolas?
Hehe....
They did a good job picking out the actors. Ian McKellen fit Gandalf's part perfectly! Along with everyone else and their parts!

silverfrost
February 15th, 2004, 09:18 AM
Who? Legolas?
Hehe....
They did a good job picking out the actors. Ian McKellen fit Gandalf's part perfectly! Along with everyone else and their parts!

Yeah, the casting was absolutely perfect. Each character was exactly as I'd imagined them. ^_^

John Denver
February 16th, 2004, 07:41 AM
AHHHHHHHHHH!!! is the same in every language...

Well as far as LOTR goes, you need to read the books to fully grasp the movie. I haven't read any of the books and I was confused in the end of Return of the King when the eagles came...

But now I know...muwahahahahaha!

oh yes

just gimme your BOO ya!

latios tamer
February 16th, 2004, 10:24 AM
i have a question, i beat the rotk gameboy game but it didnt give me the characture, why not ??

Oh, good, I was about to say! The movies are excellent, but I have to agree with you on the length. Didn't the battle of Pelennor Fields last for a couple of days? Or weeks? It seems rather impossible to fit it in one movie, but they did a tremendously good job for the time they had. A lot, although they won't show them all, of the scenes fom the extended edition should help the overall
movie be more like the book, like the past extended editions.not only that but did you know that the last aliance battle lasted for months

Ice demon
February 16th, 2004, 11:24 AM
Please tell me u'll are still not confused!!!!
I mean a THEATRICAL production - like opera...........not the movies.I love the movies and would have to agree they were well casted - especially Gandalf.......
The theatrical productions can only be 3hrs max and so i think it would not be long enough to show the books fully.

22sa
February 16th, 2004, 01:44 PM
I feel the war scenes in The Return of The King are really well. They're awesome. :)

igtica
February 16th, 2004, 02:59 PM
lol soz about the confuzzle! Oooo Gandalf! Sir Ian McKellen is so fantastic! I can't believe I ot my question awnsered by him :D:D:D:D:D

Ice demon
February 17th, 2004, 01:29 PM
lol soz about the confuzzle! Oooo Gandalf! Sir Ian McKellen is so fantastic! I can't believe I ot my question awnsered by him :D:D:D:D:D

What!!!!!!!, How?????What question did u ask????

igtica
February 17th, 2004, 03:14 PM
What!!!!!!!, How?????What question did u ask????
lol scifi.com do inverviews with different stars from time to time. I was there for the 2nd andy serkis one too ^_^ Though it's so hard to get your qu's in. It's just luck. I didn't get mine (and neither did my friend)asked in the AS one and there were only 60 peeps in the room, whilst we both got our qu's asked in the SIM one ^_^ you can see in the transcript too. An easy way to get it is to actually type me into google and it's on the second page.

100marios
February 17th, 2004, 05:50 PM
GGRRR!!! I'M SO MAD!!
My dad called us over to see something on the computer a while ago, and you wouldn't believe what I saw.
I saw the trailer for "The Hobbit"!
While I was watching it though, they used many of the same scenes that were from FotR. And when I saw Smaug, he didn't look all too good. I started to wonder weather it was made by Peter Jackson, but, suprisingly enough, it said it was. I was disappointed when I saw that it was coming out on December 19, 2006, but I was even more disappointed wheb my dad told me this....
THE TRAILER WAS A FAKE!
I forgot the address, but there's a fake Hobbit trailer roaming around the internet. I want to throttle the people who made it and tricked me!!
Grr!!....hehe...

Hakudoushi-kun
February 17th, 2004, 07:28 PM
here's a gollum music video for all you smeagle fans: click (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/gollum.php)

Ice demon
February 18th, 2004, 10:47 AM
Thats cool igtica i will check it out
Thanks for the video Images....
So what was ur fav part of the movies?????
I don't have one put i really liked the Battle of the Pelennor Feilds[like most people ^_^]..........
Or even the books - what is ur favorite part?

Hakudoushi-kun
February 19th, 2004, 06:24 PM
in return of the king, when the ghosts fight the giant elephant thingies

Ice demon
February 20th, 2004, 08:32 AM
Yeah that was really cool it falls under my favourite part......
Someone please rate this thread..i would go with excellent but that is just me ^_^.........