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Iveechan
January 21st, 2004, 01:31 PM
Lately I have noticed several members leaving... I myself left at one time, and I'm considering doing it again (well, I came back for a stupid reason). A common reason I have noticed is "I just don't feel wanted here". This may seem superficial to some, but some people do feel an emotional connection to forums. Even though we can't see one another, we know that we are conversing with other people, and this gives us a chance to "socialize" when we ourselves are dis-satisfied in real life with our social lives. Not to mention everybody here has a common interest.

Can't say that this is the absolute blame, but I feel that part of the problem may be the MOTM, pair up, and other such threads. You can b*tch at me all you want saying how these are fun and crap, but I think that some members get the feeling of being excluded. So yeah, there's jealousies. So they move on and never look back. Once again, this may not be the cause of members leaving, that's why this is a discussion.

Obviously, we can't please everyone, but there should be an effort made to make the community more of a nice visiting experience and less of a "status" type place. It's going to take a lot more than banning political/sex topics and making clubs. So discuss; is there a problem, or it it all in their heads?

Arwen
January 21st, 2004, 01:45 PM
Well overall... PC have the less people leaving. PE2K has way too much people leaving and they aren't strict on Polical or sexual topics, I belive...

But, PC is just not mature enough for these topics. Even if we banned Polical or Sexual Topics... there will still be flaming..

We are banning them because the staff is conserned about it because excessive flaming and etc.

Kairyu
January 21st, 2004, 02:48 PM
So are political/sex topics completely banned here at PC? Or just heavily restricted?

Anyway, I'm really trying at not being the thorn in your side mods/admins. But is it not what a forum is all about? Discussing, arguing about everything and anything you want, you know a public meeting place. I won't say it is appropriate to talk about that here at PC, Arwen said already most of the members are not mature enough to discuss such things. I mean we got enough topics floating around here anyway.

About the members leaving, you are right about one thing Iveechan. This is just my opinion buuuut with all the clubs, MOTM, and romance games there is alot of competition of attention around PC. Personally, I think its almost worse than having political flame-wars. Some members would take it so seriously that they would go as far as making, "I'm gonna leave PC" threads becuase of said lack of popularity. Yes it is fun to partcipate and even read through these kind of topics but it all comes with a price. It is a problem, but not a big one but I'm sure you all know that:P.

Frostweaver
January 21st, 2004, 03:23 PM
sexual, political and religious topic are (very unfortunately) completely banned... it wasn't in the past but it's banned now due to the fact that members cannot handle the topic maturely without insulting another person's opinion. Look, if a simple "what do you like and what you don't like" topic got into a flame war, I see that it's impossible for PC to handle even more controversial topic such as homsexual vs heterosexual, creation vs evolution and etc. The ban on these topic must stand.

MOTM do play a part in making members leave. They never feel wanted or unnoticed because "i got so little votes". However the fact that someone can get so stressed out over a few votes is rather awkward to me, but this possibility is inevitable. My stand on MOTM is neutral. I remember 22sa saying that MOTM should take out all the "favorite ______" categories, as looking at those results you may get the other perspective of "all the other people suck except for these:". So... MOTM is certainly something to debate about. Perhaps we should divide MOTM possible participants by time they joined and etc... voting for "favorite male member" for example, gives older member such a great advantage compare to new members. So perhaps by dividing MOTM into two subgroups of "Old PC members" and "New PC members" (these are just for examples) will help the situation out a bit.

EDIT: Though the above sounds so negative for MOTM... keep your mind on this too. In the real world we have marks from school. Some people will be depressed because his/her marks are lower than another person, or are relatively low compare to others. This is an exact parallel of MOTM. Just because what you achieved doesn't show up very pretty in relative comparison to others, that doesnt mean you're worthless and not welcomed by PC, just like how your marks reflect on nothing for your intelligence or smarts. But if some members cannot handle this fact, I wonder how they will survive in the real life in the future. If they cannot even handle a little fun online poll that has absolutely no effect on your life unlike MOTM's real life parallel called "school marks", well we can't do anything about it. And life is never smooth sailing. We cannot possibly bend everything to your favor. Sometimes you have to be the one to change, not everything else around you changing for you. Blunt and harsh, but the absolute truth.

Getting upset over pairup thread is impossible for me to comprehend. It is a very easy thing to do for new members to participate in (simply by signing up and play matching game). Not to mention, in fact most of the recent pairups are all new members. Lately pairup thread didn't do much pairing due to a shortage of female members (until very recently) so that's why not much pairing is done. But if new members are interpreting this fact of female member shortage as "no one likes me" then we can't really do much about this.

The biggest problem in PC in terms of socializing is the following
a) PC social square = OC and OC alone
b) Some members are here for so long that they pretty much form their own little "groups" with other members who joined for just about as equally as long as them, excluding the newer members
c) new member's terrible fright of posting in the same forum with others who have 2000 more posts as them

Let's solve the problems bit by bit...
a) nothing you can do much about this one, but inviting people who are hiding in their own little forum to join OC and chat along with us. This is rather an unimportant issue though if we can get b and c out of the way. Certainly members and moderators alike should try to invite members to join and chat in OC to feel "more welcomed"

b) biggest problem of all I'll say... some of us know each other for such a long time that of course we'll be really close to one another... sometimes we just use some of the threads as a private chat topic pretty much... those massive amount of role playings within a few of us is one of the many examples of how we grow so close to each other that we're eliminating the slightest chance for newer members to come along and join the topic with us... hopefully there will be lesser posts in the future taht are only addressing to a few particular member, and have more "discussion-like" topics where everyone can pitch in...

c) one easy solution if we're not afraid to do it: remove post counts
this way new members won't have the fear of talking to "oh those veterans who know everything". they have no way to tell unless checking at profile (which a lot of us do not do), so they'll drop their own barrier and try to talk with us. It's like member-moderator talk... sometimes members are afraid to express themselves freely because of this "higher authority" aura from members. If we can remove post counts, I'm sure some of the new members will try to be more open towards other members with "high post counts" or "veteran who may possibly be too good for me this unknown new member"

Arwen
January 21st, 2004, 06:37 PM
Heres your answers...

A) You are just being a coward and not participating in events
B) You are a heavy poster
C) you don't like any of the events at PC...

Well, to get it straight, PC is the #1, kindest, interity (sp?) and respectful forum. Why post Sexual topics and Policial topics that will spark members and start flaming... please don't get down to pe2k forums level... -_-..

We want everyone to have the best time here, so don't ruin it...

BTW: We are still deciding on banning polical and sexual (oriented or anything about homosexuality) from PC.

Frostweaver
January 21st, 2004, 06:51 PM
You're really tempting me...


A) You are just being a coward and not participating in events
-first of all, it won't hurt to just inform the new members about Other Chat
-it's not about being a coward... very sure everyone feels a bit frighten to be venturing into "veteran zone" with everyone having 500+ post while you're just 0 post?
-new members may feel that they don't have enough experience with PC or know anyone well enough to participate in these events. for example, MOTM how the heck do they know who to vote for if they don't know anyone

B) You are a heavy poster
-is "heavy poster" suppose to mean anything?
-once again, I will strongly ask the moderators to consider removing post counts from all members... if post numbers mean anything at all... that will be just as ugly as the real world where money means so much.
-posting more is important, but not because of post count... posting more lets other PC members a chance to know you better

C) you don't like any of the events at PC...
-I cannot possibly imagine a statement like this coming from a modeartor. As a moderator yourself, you should know better than to accuse other members because of their likings. Yes this is very statement is a flame itself but I feel that it's necessary to carry this point out. This is unacceptable for a moderator

Why post Sexual topics and Policial topics that will spark members and start flaming...
-handle with care along with respect, and these topics are just fine
-why do they spark flaming? because of the way of thinking in members. the topic itself is not to be blamed
-eventually people will have to face these issues, be it real life or PC. I see nothing wrong with discussing them online
-just because they're controversial and easily flammable, that doesn't mean we just avoid them. Instead of running away, we should actually face this problem and learn not to flame; to learn to accept other people's opinions and to

please don't get down to pe2k forums level... -_-..
-whatever personal opinions you have for pe2k, I do not care. But please have respect for other forums as well. Any PC member should have respect for other people's opinions, likings regardless of ranks. Everyone should hold respect for everything else, inlcuding another forum
-this grudge for pe2k has lasted way too long in PC. It's fine if you dislike this forum, but please do not insult them here. Save the complaints for Instant Messenger or PM talk

John Denver
January 21st, 2004, 06:59 PM
The S-Mods and Admins have said a lot that we don't ban Sexual and Political topics just because they're sexual or political, they're closed because in those topics there is ALWAYS flaming of some kind...

Even if the most mature people post mature posts in mature topics, some idiot will come in and flaunt his opinion and call everyone else morons for not believing what he believes in. Those topics are closed because that kind of action is inevitable...

As far as MOTM's go, the new members need to realize something. The members that get hundreds votes were once new members once, in the same situation as them. Even insanely popular members like Arcanine, Kairi, SA, and Kwesi were once new members....well....maybe not Kwesi :):P

I don't know how many times I've said this, but I'll say it again

baby steps...baby steps...

BOO ya!

Timbjerr
January 21st, 2004, 07:08 PM
I remember when I was a new member...I was pretty much overlooked for like five months before I became really prominant as a high-poster (I thank people like 22sa and Arcanine for making as many posts as they did around that time...it gave me endless nights of posting and friend-making...)

I'm sure people that are leaving are Frosty's choice number c...they are probably too timid to post regularly with people with 500+ posts. The way I see it, the only way to overcome that is to introduce yourself dynamically and post in every topic you can put a word into...

or...(just to get the chance to attract more members to my moderation forum) they can hang out in the Pokmon Trivia and games Forum!

XDDD

John Denver
January 21st, 2004, 07:10 PM
and be funny...people love funny people...

Spam is bad..shouldn't do it...

Make people remember your posts...so they'll reply to YOU!

BOO yeah...

Arwen
January 21st, 2004, 07:18 PM
LOL.. I'm semi popular... not fully crazy popular as Kairi, Andy... and Kwesi.

Alakazam
January 21st, 2004, 07:18 PM
I remember when I was a new member...I was pretty much overlooked for like five months before I became really prominant as a high-poster (I thank people like 22sa and Arcanine for making as many posts as they did around that time...it gave me endless nights of posting and friend-making...)

I'm sure people that are leaving are Frosty's choice number c...they are probably too timid to post regularly with people with 500+ posts. The way I see it, the only way to overcome that is to introduce yourself dynamically and post in every topic you can put a word into...

or...(just to get the chance to attract more members to my moderation forum) they can hang out in the Pokmon Trivia and games Forum!

XDDD
What are you, Brock? You fall in love with any pretty girl? As Mr. Feeny would say, grow up, man! You aren't going to get a girl by sitting in front of your computer monitor, so go out and explore the world! You'll thank me later.

Iveechan
January 21st, 2004, 07:21 PM
...

Why the heck do you keep talking about the banned topics? That's so not the point, it was just a small mention. I've been here longer than Arcanine and Kairi, and I never parade around calling myself a vet or anything. And it's not just new people who are leaving, it's people who have been here longer than me. So we need new theories other than "they are timid of high posters".

John Denver
January 21st, 2004, 07:23 PM
heh..they don't find PC interesting anymor?

they're being hassled by poke-hating friends?

many things could be because of it...

BOO ya!

Alakazam
January 22nd, 2004, 05:56 AM
...

Why the heck do you keep talking about the banned topics? That's so not the point, it was just a small mention. I've been here longer than Arcanine and Kairi, and I never parade around calling myself a vet or anything. And it's not just new people who are leaving, it's people who have been here longer than me. So we need new theories other than "they are timid of high posters".
Why the heck? WHY THE HECK!? How about why the $&%#@? Geez, from the email you sent me you seem like one angry chick. We here at PC just want everyone to have a good time, so if there's anything I can do to help, please let me know.

baby*j
January 22nd, 2004, 01:46 PM
The only reason I am thinking of leaving is because this board allows
the bashing of homosexuals.

I think it's pretty stupid (and pathetic) if you leave because "you're
not a part of the group" or similar reasons. I really couldn't care less
that I am not "popular" or in the social clubs here because in my non-
computer life, I am.

I mean, I was a moderator on another board and I had alot of posts, but
before all of that I was NEW. I wasn't scared or intimidated by the moderators
or the administrators ... why should I (or anyone for that matter) be??

So most of the reasons posted for people leaving don't account for everybody.

Frostweaver
January 22nd, 2004, 02:01 PM
The only reason I am thinking of leaving is because this board allows
the bashing of homosexuals.

So most of the reasons posted for people leaving don't account for everybody.
First of all, just because someone did it that doesn't mean the board supports that. Occassionally there's always someone who breaks the rules =/

Secondly, that wasn't bashing but purely just stating what that member likes or dislikes. It's just his or her personal opinion or beliefs. However it will be bashing if any member puts his or her beliefs/opinions into actions (aka discriminations). Stating what you think is fine, but acting in a certain way towards others due to your belief is not supported by the board.

Alakazam
January 22nd, 2004, 02:20 PM
First of all, just because someone did it that doesn't mean the board supports that. Occassionally there's always someone who breaks the rules =/

Secondly, that wasn't bashing but purely just stating what that member likes or dislikes. It's just his or her personal opinion or beliefs. However it will be bashing if any member puts his or her beliefs/opinions into actions (aka discriminations). Stating what you think is fine, but acting in a certain way towards others due to your belief is not supported by the board.
As an administrator at PC, I will step forward right now and say that gay bashing will not be tolerated. Frostweaver, how would you feel if someone said they hated all black or chinese people and you were one? I think you would feel angry and it would start a big argument. Therefore people, please leave out comments that refer to race or if they are gay or not. If you want to say something bad about gay people, then go somewhere else, but PC will not support that and you will be banned if you continue to do so. That goes for anyone, "you" being any person who breaks the rules. Thank you and please listen to me, this is only to make sure that no minority is treated unjust and everything is equal. This is a Pokemon board anyway, so keep your hurtful comments to yourself everyone. Thank you.

Frostweaver
January 22nd, 2004, 02:36 PM
lol. Alakazam next time check what or who i'm alluding to first before you shoot the gun. Other people may not be so forgiving. lol

Guess this is another problem right there. Before moderators/any other staff members give warnings, perhaps a bit more research can be done first about the real situation ;)

Now back to the "gay bashing" topic... guess Alakazam didn't get what I mean. I'll try to explain this better...

Example of "Belief:"
-I dislike Chinese people... but i'll be quiet about it. If I do see one, I'll just try my best to cope with living with them.

Example of "discrimination"
-*sees a chinese person* AAhhh! Get lost you rotten Chinese people!

Hope that example clear things up. And no I do not discriminate chinese people or else i must have suicided already. My belief goes against homosexual people but I try my very best not to discriminate them.

^^NICK^^ v.2.0
January 22nd, 2004, 04:10 PM
I don't think we should do MOTM, Romance threads, ect... It hurts people's feelings. Instead we should take time to get to know eachother.

Arwen
January 22nd, 2004, 04:16 PM
No, Getting to know people is at introductions and DCC...

If we took them away, would PC change to become a place of boredom? Most definally... becuase those topics what MADE PC special...

:-/

We already passed the stage of knowing each other already.

Hanatori
January 23rd, 2004, 03:11 PM
>sexual, political and religious topic are (very unfortunately) completely banned...

Aww... that means I won't get to see topics making fun of... never mind.

Meh. I myself have no problem with stuff like the PC crushes, pairing up, and stuff like that, but I DO think that the MOTM is utter crap. It's just a popularity contest, which is just stupid, in my opinion. "Most Valuable Member?" I could go further with this, but I'm not one to cause war. =\

Seeing some of the members leave is rather depressing, though. ._.; It reminds me of Fizzy Bubbles. ;-;

Frostweaver
January 23rd, 2004, 03:40 PM
No, Getting to know people is at introductions and DCC...

If we took them away, would PC change to become a place of boredom? Most definally... becuase those topics what MADE PC special...

:-/

We already passed the stage of knowing each other already.
*Thinks about Alyssa: Ever heard of new members...?*

*Has a lot of thought in his mind:

Yeah I never voted for "most valuable member" that's like indirectly saying "everyone else who are not valualbe are:"... MOTM is still neutral to me. However if we're ending MOTM, I hope that we can still do the February MOTM as February is the 2nd anniversary for MOTM, so maybe a nice way to end the MOTM saga.

we analyzed enough about new members already... let's talk "old" members (old as in people from old pc and beyond). It's evidential that many old members left before us, such as gr8person62. I really like him despite of the fact that he can be very brutally truthful (even if he did call me a piece of useless trash once ^_^; ), and great members like him are leaving which is obvious that there's some problem in PC. I read through most of OC reference and you can certainly tell that PC atmosphere and posting tone changed a lot.

Old PC: every topic allows all members to participate
New PC: topics are enclosed between a few members... resulting in various small groups posting in their own little world...

That is certainly something all members (me, other members, moderators, super moderators and praetor alike) we all need to work on... usually we get off topic and then ended up to some dead discussions where only a few members know what the heck is going on (therefore only they can continue to chat there)

The classical homosexual vs heterosexual, and the creation vs evolution topic... fun fun fun. Unfortunately for the staff, it's a no win situation. Either one of the following will happen.

If banning them:
-violating freedom of speech
-group of people who wants to talk about them will be unhappy
-is banning some of the most interesting topics ever
-homosexual supporter: "why are we allowed to talk about heterosexual pairings and stuff? this is clear discriminations!"

If opening them:
-there are bound to be morons who just come along and says "<swear> you all! My side of the argument is correct" and starts a flame war
-or... one member from one side will eventually lose their temper and does the above
-some members will say "oh but this cause unhappiness so let's not do it"
-heterosexual supporter: "why are we allowed to talk about homosexual!? It's clear that this is morally wrong!"

banning or not banning... some people are bound to disagree... it's always a touche topic. In the past they always allowed these topics, starting off with great peaceful discussions until one or two specific members come along to screw things up... it'll be a difficult choice to decide if we shoudl ban these topics or not.

That's all I can think about now... hmm.... *

Purin
January 23rd, 2004, 03:58 PM
*Thinks about Alyssa: Ever heard of new members...?*

*Has a lot of thought in his mind:

Yeah I never voted for "most valuable member" that's like indirectly saying "everyone else who are not valualbe are:"... MOTM is still neutral to me. However if we're ending MOTM, I hope that we can still do the February MOTM as February is the 2nd anniversary for MOTM, so maybe a nice way to end the MOTM saga.

we analyzed enough about new members already... let's talk "old" members (old as in people from old pc and beyond). It's evidential that many old members left before us, such as gr8person62. I really like him despite of the fact that he can be very brutally truthful (even if he did call me a piece of useless trash once ^_^; ), and great members like him are leaving which is obvious that there's some problem in PC. I read through most of OC reference and you can certainly tell that PC atmosphere and posting tone changed a lot.

Old PC: every topic allows all members to participate
New PC: topics are enclosed between a few members... resulting in various small groups posting in their own little world...
I agree we should do away with the MOTM...to tell you all frankly, since the times of old PC, I was hurt whenever there was no votes for me, which is why during old times, I have never placed a vote at all. I had got over that sadness, and now have a neutral stand on MOTM, but other members do feel kind of unwanted if no more than two votes have been placed for them.

Oh yeah gr8person62, I remember him as the one who feels...um...unwanted here? I would have treated him as a good friend if he wasn't too much of a pessimist, and if he had asked me =P

These days I don't go to the Gameboy sections as my gameplaying skills went rusty (I'm not joking). If I had the chance I will gladly roam about to join in at any forums in PC, but I just don't have the knowledge required to (etc. Other Cards since I hardly play card games).

Iveechan
January 23rd, 2004, 06:12 PM
Why the heck? WHY THE HECK!? How about why the $&%#@? Geez, from the email you sent me you seem like one angry chick. We here at PC just want everyone to have a good time, so if there's anything I can do to help, please let me know.

I didn't send you an email, that was Scythemantis. And I'm not a chick, I am a human of the female persuation ;)

Keleri
January 24th, 2004, 04:46 PM
In my opinion, things like those romance/pairup threads are extremely frivolous, and we could definitely be spending our time on better things. MOTM I would never support in a moment, as it's just a popularity contest on boards this big. On smaller boards it works well, since you actually get an opportunity to meet new members properly, but not here.

In my experience, members who leave tend to come back eventually...but it would be nice if they didn't leave to begin with.

Frostweaver
January 24th, 2004, 06:36 PM
.........

*knows that the pairup thread now os completely different compare to the creator's original intention back then =( *
*thinks that pairup now is just matching 2 names together with complete randomness*
*wants to leave MOTM away from this topic as MOTM has its own topic*

Ice demon
January 24th, 2004, 07:35 PM
I never realized new members were afraid to post with the more veteren members of the community...well look at that.Why should anyone be afraid- it is not like the others are going to come through their screens and bite off their heads and if any one is mean to u just hold your ground [and be mean back if u are so inclined]
As for doing away with MoTM i think it is a valid suggestion but not nessary

22sa
January 24th, 2004, 10:35 PM
Lately I have noticed several members leaving... I myself left at one time, and I'm considering doing it again (well, I came back for a stupid reason). A common reason I have noticed is "I just don't feel wanted here". This may seem superficial to some, but some people do feel an emotional connection to forums. Even though we can't see one another, we know that we are conversing with other people, and this gives us a chance to "socialize" when we ourselves are dis-satisfied in real life with our social lives. Not to mention everybody here has a common interest.

Can't say that this is the absolute blame, but I feel that part of the problem may be the MOTM, pair up, and other such threads. You can b*tch at me all you want saying how these are fun and crap, but I think that some members get the feeling of being excluded. So yeah, there's jealousies. So they move on and never look back. Once again, this may not be the cause of members leaving, that's why this is a discussion.

Obviously, we can't please everyone, but there should be an effort made to make the community more of a nice visiting experience and less of a "status" type place. It's going to take a lot more than banning political/sex topics and making clubs. So discuss; is there a problem, or it it all in their heads?
A common interest is what drove me to PC, but that was 6 month ago when Serebii.net was down and there was A LOT of Pokemon discussion. Even though the most "important" discussions where in Other Chat, where I was posting just about all-the-time, the long-term effects of the PC's once-huge FANART, Role Play, Gaming, Pokemon General Trivia dying out was inevitable. Serebii.net left and that's what basically happened to the creativity and life/speciality of PC. So I can't see the common interest clearly anymore. It's just too different without our Pokemon base.No, Getting to know people is at introductions and DCC...

If we took them away, would PC change to become a place of boredom? Most definally... becuase those topics what MADE PC special...

:-/

We already passed the stage of knowing each other already.
That's what I thought for a long time but now when I think about it, it really still depends on who's on the PC forum that makes PC special.

For those that want to ban certain types of threads, just remember that banning one's words usually leads to banning the people behind them - directly or not. It was heck disappointing to see StarCaliber or Gr8Person62 go just like that.

Personally, I feel unwanted everywhere, but since it's everywhere it's not special so I have deal with it.
I remember when I was a new member...I was pretty much overlooked for like five months before I became really prominant as a high-poster (I thank people like 22sa and Arcanine for making as many posts as they did around that time...it gave me endless nights of posting and friend-making...)

I'm sure people that are leaving are Frosty's choice number c...they are probably too timid to post regularly with people with 500+ posts. The way I see it, the only way to overcome that is to introduce yourself dynamically and post in every topic you can put a word into...

or...(just to get the chance to attract more members to my moderation forum) they can hang out in the Pokmon Trivia and games Forum!

XDDD
:) Yeah, those were totally awesome times. =P

The One Above^ in Other Chat, smooth Daily Chit-Chat, endless days & nights, Post Count Discussion :laugh:, the Australians logging on when everyone in the Americas are still asleep. :cool:

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January 26th, 2004, 10:26 AM
I didn't leave. I just got here. I'm sorry if some people left.

Kairi
January 26th, 2004, 02:40 PM
Why do you think that new members are afraid to post alongside people with high post counts? Have we really scared new people off that way? Its beyond simple to remove postcount from the postbit template, but removing might cause more harm than good. It would have a massive impact on both sides of the argument really. Veterans will still exist even without them, so long as people recognize one another. We could remove names from the postbit and have everyone not even know whos making the post, but thats a bit too far.

Arwen, try not to criticize PE2K or degrade them. Youre a moderator now, dont just say the first thing that pops in your head. I doubt youd like it if someone at PE2K warned everyone not to be like nasty PC.

In regards to events, I always found them hard to attend. Im the kind of person who never feels like she fits in when placed in such an environment, and is merely tolerated. Others may feel the same way, and it isnt their fault.

Political topics can work here, I want to believe it. I think they can if handled well, and the rules are in the process of being revised.

...



Why the heck do you keep talking about the banned topics? That's so not the point, it was just a small mention. I've been here longer than Arcanine and Kairi, and I never parade around calling myself a vet or anything. And it's not just new people who are leaving, it's people who have been here longer than me. So we need new theories other than "they are timid of high posters".I try not to make myself higher than anyone else here, Im not sure how well I do that. Youre right, we havent been here that long and *do* make mistakes like every other member of the board.

The only reason I am thinking of leaving is because this board allows

the bashing of homosexuals.



I think it's pretty stupid (and pathetic) if you leave because "you're

not a part of the group" or similar reasons. I really couldn't care less

that I am not "popular" or in the social clubs here because in my non-

computer life, I am.



I mean, I was a moderator on another board and I had alot of posts, but

before all of that I was NEW. I wasn't scared or intimidated by the moderators

or the administrators ... why should I (or anyone for that matter) be??



So most of the reasons posted for people leaving don't account for everybody.

This board does not allow bashing period. Had I seen that sooner it would have been closed. Dont take one small event and use it as your looking glass for the whole board, that would be most unwise.

I dont dislike the old PC, certainly not but I do get tired of people treating it as a superior board entirely. I admit, the chemistry and such was amazing back then and I wish we could re-create it. But it was full of problems too. I looked at the mod lounge and it was not pretty. Some of the moderators were immature, always fighting and abusing their powers. Things that should have been handled easily became complicated. Things that shouldnt have been allowed to happen did. Petty fights that created tension between the moderators who were supposed to be united to help PC. Now, I wasnt there and perhaps Im wrong. I still believe there is good in this PC though.

Frostweaver
January 26th, 2004, 02:59 PM
...

*believes that there's always good in everything regardless of how bad that place/person/object is... maybe hard to believe or practice though =/ *

*certainly believes in the theory of high post count people scaring away new members, as he also waited for himself to "accomplish" something by getting some post counts first before posting in OC... this poor atmosphere is not created by PC and PC has no fault for this being applied to it, but it's society who shapes the world this way of high class with the high class, and the "noobs"/low class with ohter "noobs"/low class*

*cannot make any comment on mod loudge or the old mods as he is not a mod back then and now, and also only knows the mods now (and even for them not well enough to "judge" the mods)*

*believes that another factor for most old members leaving is the change of atmosphere in PC. (Ignoring increased kindness factor) PC touchs more sensitive, controversial topics back then such as religion, politics and any other what we will consider as "ban topics" now. But look at new PC now... the latest abortion thread receives 2 warnings in advance before a single opinion about the thread itself is posted... the increase in sensitivity and lack of tolerance in new PC is the most negative change from old PC to new PC possible. Most members can handle flames a lot better back then by completely ignoring it, and now members tend to be less tolerant by informing mods about it immediately and wants formal warnings given by mods to the flamer immediately to "win" the "situation (argument)", apology demanding which makes things look a lot more stupid than the flame itself, and just generally more afraid to touch on these sensitive topics that people are bound to face sooner or later on the internet or in the real world. New PC focuses more on relaxing entertainment such as role playing (family threads, for example), or the farest discussion like topics are usually irrelevant discussions like favorite drink and etc. The change of mood and atmosphere may please/displease some members, leading to the "change in generation" which old members who dislike this change will leave, while newer members who like this change takes over and "becomes" those "old members", waiting for another change in atmosphere to either continue staying or get replaced.*

*probably said something that's beyond understanding and extremely confusing, but whatever...*

Kairi
January 26th, 2004, 03:04 PM
Post count is a very delicate issue. It is subtle, and small. In reality no part of a person, and yet in some oxymoronic fashion, a major part of it. Remember all the controversy when post counts were turned off in Funtime In Pokland? Notice that those topics arent near as active as they used to be? Somehow, either as an amusing diversion or what, they do play a role so grand and so small that its hard to put into words.

PC is softer, yeah. It doesnt have to be though, if people would really try. Another thing that bugs me is how little those who defend such topics and the reference make an effort to restore it. You should be able to see some corruption outside of the mod lounge if you dig enough.

Frostweaver
January 26th, 2004, 03:19 PM
Post count is a very delicate issue. It is subtle, and small. In reality no part of a person, and yet in some oxymoronic fashion, a major part of it. Remember all the controversy when post counts were turned off in Funtime In Pokland? Notice that those topics arent near as active as they used to be? Somehow, either as an amusing diversion or what, they do play a role so grand and so small that its hard to put into words.

*believes that that is because post count ultimately points to "power and authority" within PC, with being staff members being the other "power and authority". It's easy to mistaken the fact that "with both of those 'power and authority' in your hands, you play "God of PC." It's very easy for Pokemon Community members even members before new PC to believe in that, as everything MOTM results support that evil theory. However those people with both high post counts and are staff members are not to be blamed. Hence, post count matters. Threads in fun time in Pokeland is such an easy method to gain post counts as you need no "prior knowledge" of anything and you earn a magical +1. But without the magical +1, the thread is "not worth posting" as it gives "no results"... certainly it's just skin-deep-easy to see a flock of these people who aims towards this goal- by posting only in threads where people notices easily, trying to do astonishing things in PC (may succeed or fail), and does many other things to get attention. Not necessary a bad thing but certainly post counts do affect this group of people at least, and perhaps even more*
*as for Pokeland post count excluded... shall save that for another topic as he can go on for ages about why and why not...*

PC is softer, yeah. It doesnt have to be though, if people would really try. Another thing that bugs me is how little those who defend such topics and the reference make an effort to restore it. You should be able to see some corruption outside of the mod lounge if you dig enough.
*believes that PC is a community, and if PC is to try to break the cycle of "atmosphere replacement", then at least a group of people will have to try at once... one person can't do much alone in a community*
*believes that the biggest obstacle in restoring those "banned topics" are the moderators who are against the idea of those topics, or moderators who aren't the most flame tolerant like Frosty's previous post talked about... with the authority and power to close topics on their hand, there's not much a normal member can do to restore those topics by opening them, as not only will they be warned but also have their threads closed... the winners of a war are the ones and only ones to write history, and in this case- moderators*

*another obstacle is the lack of participation of those topics... excellent to see that Nick opened the abortion topic, but any PC member will see that it's always the same people who keep posting in that thread, while other "veterans" with "high post counts" never appear in those threads and stay within Role Playing threads... this really hinders the restoration of the banned topics as without "high post count veterans" posting in them, the "power & authority seekers" and new members won't post in them as well... (as it's pointless for power & authority seekers to post there if those other high post count people are not going to notice them posting there if they are not posting, and as for new member mistaking that it's a topic to stay away from as other "veterans" are staying away from them as well*

*hopes that this post is somewhat sensible... though grammar mistakes are everywhere...*

Arwen
January 26th, 2004, 04:07 PM
Post counts don't count! Why should forums always be about postcounts


Maybe all PC events should be at fun at Pokemon Land forum.

John Denver
January 27th, 2004, 05:21 PM
Postcounts do count arwen...

even though we don't like to accept it, the higher the post count a person has, then usually the more popular they are to. It's true, because more people see more of their posts...

sad

BOO ya!

Arwen
January 27th, 2004, 05:24 PM
Yup... and uh oh..

I'm ahead of you. :o.

John Denver
January 27th, 2004, 05:30 PM
Yup... and uh oh..

I'm ahead of you. :o.

only because you don't have wrestling and soccer and weightlifting and all AP and Honors classes..

at least, I don't think you do :D

buuuut

I think one reason for members leaving is bad, whiny modding...

*COUGH*

BOO ya!

Purin
January 28th, 2004, 02:17 AM
Postcounts do count arwen...

even though we don't like to accept it, the higher the post count a person has, then usually the more popular they are to. It's true, because more people see more of their posts...

sad

BOO ya!
Yes, but post count will matter only if you post quality posts, not spam.
People will also tend to know about you if you have a outstanding, longstanding and popular Pokemon website as well, even if you are a new comer =P.

Arwen
January 28th, 2004, 08:11 AM
Well, probally... The number of quality posts are posted, the more popular the forums will be...
^_^....

perthskies
January 28th, 2004, 06:25 PM
Well, I would just like to say that me being a relatively new member here at THe PokeCommunity, I find the members here to be quite friendly and humorous towards one another which is a good thing of course... ^_^

At first I was kind of intimidated at posting at first... maybe it was from looking at the many numbers of people's post counts... never have I seen such high post counts on the forums I've been to! The only members I knew was Austin and Jedi_Amara... but I'm starting to learn more of the members names... i.e. Arcanine, Sapphire...

Frostweaver
January 28th, 2004, 07:20 PM
Well, I would just like to say that me being a relatively new member here at THe PokeCommunity, I find the members here to be quite friendly and humorous towards one another which is a good thing of course... ^_^

At first I was kind of intimidated at posting at first... maybe it was from looking at the many numbers of people's post counts... never have I seen such high post counts on the forums I've been to! The only members I knew was Austin and Jedi_Amara... but I'm starting to learn more of the members names... i.e. Arcanine, Sapphire...
*example of "posphobia" (fear of post count, word invented by Frosty ^_^;)*

*if PC cannot get rid of post counts completely due to other reasons, then wonder if there's anything else relatively high post count people can do to make new members feel less intimidated?*

*wants to welcome Optic to join the big PC Crew and congratulations for the success of ridding posphobia ^_^. Hope that Optic will post more in the future ^_^*

Arwen
January 28th, 2004, 07:59 PM
Well, in that case... Place PC Events in Fun at PokeLand instead of Other Chat so it won't go on your post count.

Purin
January 28th, 2004, 11:52 PM
Well, I would just like to say that me being a relatively new member here at THe PokeCommunity, I find the members here to be quite friendly and humorous towards one another which is a good thing of course... ^_^

At first I was kind of intimidated at posting at first... maybe it was from looking at the many numbers of people's post counts... never have I seen such high post counts on the forums I've been to! The only members I knew was Austin and Jedi_Amara... but I'm starting to learn more of the members names... i.e. Arcanine, Sapphire...
Everyone has been a new member before. When I was a newbie, I was "intimidated" by huge post counts of members too, but it doesn't matter much =P

Muffin Man
January 29th, 2004, 12:11 PM
Well actually i'm quite new here...I dont post much coz i dont really get that much time...but I find it hard being intimidated by text on a computer screen...

baby*j
January 30th, 2004, 12:59 PM
Word!

*agrees with Muffin Man*