PokéWiki Project - PWP

[pokejungle]

Ok, I'm instigating another project. Keeping myself busy this summer.

Anyway, this will be a wiki to compete with Bulbapedia. I'm hoping to get a lot of sites joined in on this project, so that it does have a chance at overtaking the current giant.

It will be built upon the MediaWiki engine, same as Bulbapedia. Not to copy them, but because it's the only decent Wiki out there v.v;;

Any site can post whether they want to join, but I'll decide if you're in. I do want a lot of sites to use this, but this way it's more of a n00b filter. So just post:

Site Name-
Site URL-
Email-

And I'll post whether you're in or not. Any PFA members are automatically joined. [For any of you who didn't know, there's actually a Pokémon Fansite Alliance. PM me if you're interested.]

Site that have joined:
-WCC [Pretty sure]
-W5D
-Japanimeway
-The Pokémon Center
-PokéJunction
-PokéDen

Note: KyleTech has gladly agreed to host this. Thanks Kyle!

[Senor Kyle]

No problem dude! I should have the server up shortly!

[DarknessMonkey]

Ok, I'm instigating another project. Keeping myself busy this summer.

Anyway, this will be a wiki to compete with Bulbapedia. I'm hoping to get a lot of sites joined in on this project, so that it does have a chance at overtaking the current giant.

It will be built upon the MediaWiki engine, same as Bulbapedia. Not to copy them, but because it's the only decent Wiki out there v.v;;

Any site can post whether they want to join, but I'll decide if you're in. I do want a lot of sites to use this, but this way it's more of a n00b filter. So just post:

Site Name:
Email:

And I'll post whether you're in or not. Any PFA members are automatically joined. [For any of you who didn't know, there's actually a Pokémon Fansite Alliance. PM me if you're interested.]

Site that have joined:
-WCC [Pretty sure]
-W5D
-Japanimeway
-The Pokémon Center
-PokéJunction
-PokéDen

Note: KyleTech has gladly agreed to host this. Thanks Kyle!

Site Name:Pokemon Retreat
Email:darkstar1855000@Hotmail.Com
^^ That's if I can get in.

[rikanai.]

Me have a question~

Can we contribute to the Wiki without having a website?

[pokejungle]

Yep ^-^ This thread is mainly for websites who are interested in joining into the project so they can use it in colaberation with their site.

Punk Skater- Please include your URL =3 I forgot to add it to the form >.<;

[saul]

OooooOOOOoooo..... Sounds fun ^^
Site Name- Pokemon Sky
Site URL- http://www.pokemon-sky.com
Email- saulitodm@gmail.com

[Geometric-sama]

Eh, I was planning to make my own, so I won't be joining this one I think~

[pokejungle]

Saul~ Accepted ^^

JA~ Good luck ^_~

Punk~ Still need URL

[Geometric-sama]

*giggle* I was planning to make one last year, then I found out about Bulbapedia and I was, like, "Forget it!"

[Chrono Cr@cker]

Well, you can add PGS. http://pokedrome.info
We are always interested in projects like these.

~ CC

[pokejungle]

Site that have joined:
-WCC [Pretty sure]
-W5D
-Japanimeway
-The Pokémon Center
-PokéJunction
-PokéDen
-PKMN Sky
-PGS

JA~ I found out about Bulbapedia and said "I think I could make a better one!" =P

Rant: It has come to my attention that JK and some of his "cohorts" are now blacklisting sites that join in on our project. Why? Because they don't want trouble. Hmm...last time I checked HE is banned for being a bad member. And last time I THOUGHT he was my friend. Looks like he back stabbed me, eh? Yet...I'M THE ONE CAUSING TROULBE!

Last night he b!tched me out on MSN for instigating this project, saying it was a: bad idea b: stirs up trouble and c: pointless.

A: I don't care v.v;;
B: Ummm no. We're being respectful, and we're not going to have a Serebii/BG fight.
C: Just because Ford started making cars first doesn't mean other companies didn't catch up to them. We can still try and have a fun time =D

So JK and anyone who's with him: sorry! I don't apperciate your comments, and I don't apperciate how you're causing trouble. Obviously you're alienating yourself from other sites by doing this. We don't care. We're sorry you do.

In short...anyone who would like to leave the project because of this incident is welcome to, but this isn't going to stop up. Thanks for the controversy though, it always catches the public's interest ^_~ [/rant]

[Chrono Cr@cker]

JA~ I found out about Bulbapedia and said "I think I could make a better one!" =P[/quote[
That's the spirit, ya little tyke. I like your enthusiasm and that is the reason I'm joining this project!!

[quote]Rant: It has come to my attention that JK and some of his "cohorts" are now blacklisting sites that join in on our project. Why? Because they don't want trouble. Hmm...last time I checked HE is banned for being a bad member. And last time I THOUGHT he was my friend. Looks like he back stabbed me, eh? Yet...I'M THE ONE CAUSING TROULBE!

Last night he b!tched me out on MSN for instigating this project, saying it was a: bad idea b: stirs up trouble and c: pointless.

A: I don't care v.v;;
B: Ummm no. We're being respectful, and we're not going to have a Serebii/BG fight.
C: Just because Ford started making cars first doesn't mean other companies didn't catch up to them. We can still try and have a fun time =D

So JK and anyone who's with him: sorry! I don't apperciate your comments, and I don't apperciate how you're causing trouble. Obviously you're alienating yourself from other sites by doing this. We don't care. We're sorry you do.

In short...anyone who would like to leave the project because of this incident is welcome to, but this isn't going to stop up. Thanks for the controversy though, it always catches the public's interest ^_~ [/rant]

Why is JK angry about us starting this project? I mean, he's not in anyway affiliated with BG or going to start a similar one is he? I think he wanted to start a PokePedia and well, we did it before him. Perhaps I'll try talking to him. I also do hope that JA is not included in the list of "COHORTS".

~ CC

[Geometric-sama]

o_O Paul, you really don't have to chew out Greg like this, especially since he probably won't even see it o_O

[Morkula]

JA, he's not chewing Greg out. Greg has been a complete pain in the rear about this anyway. He won't even speak to either of us anymore, which is hard, since I've personally always considered Greg a friend.
Anyway, Paul, now I'm still not so sure whether or not to join... x.x

[Geometric-sama]

o_O Well, Greg wanted me to give you this.

You know what pisses me off? When people brew up trouble on purpose.

" JA~ I found out about Bulbapedia and said "I think I could make a better one!" =P"

You know what? **** you. The online Pokemon community is fractured enough. There hasn't been peace between BMG and SPP in how long. SPPf bashes PC, PC bashes SPPf. #PocketMonsters and #Free_Pokemon don't get along. Why do you have to cause more trouble?

The 'pedia is an original idea of Bulbagarden's. They've worked hard to make it a quality Pokemon encyclopedia, and with you coming along to make this "new" and "better" one, it'll just divert attention from the Bulbapedia. And why is that bad? Because in order for there to be a complete encyclopedia, which someone could use to find whatever they needed, everyone has to work together.

Here's a bit of math that should help it out.

There are 100 Pokemon fans that could contribute. 80 of those frequent BulbaGarden and already post and work on the BulbaPedia. The other 20 decide to use this PWP. Now PWP has 20% of the information, and BulbaPedia has 80%. It's unlikely that a random visitor will come across both, so someone will either be stuck using one 'pedia with 20% or one with 80%. They don't get everything they need.


B: Ummm no. We're being respectful, and we're not going to have a Serebii/BG fight.
How can you be sure of that? The BMG staff are proud, and they didn't think too highly when Alyssa started up her little JigglyPedia joke. How do you think they'd like it if someone directly said they wanted to make theirs better? It would be one thing if you were just making this to help build both, but you are asking for competition.



It's not MY opinion, it's HIS, so if you have problems go and bug him.

[Morkula]

OK, let me just do a little edit on a bit of that... -_-
And if this flaming/bashing keeps up, I'm going to close the topic (even though I admit that I fired a few shots too). But Greg brings up some valid points. Even though I enjoy competition just as much as the next person, the Bulbapedia was an original idea- something that no one else had. Really, the PWP could actually split the Pokemon community instead of being healthy competition. I see Greg's point. But I think he could have gone about it a different way... x.x

[Geometric-sama]

Ah, well, he didn't have that much of a choice I guess, being banned and all...

[Morkula]

I meant calmly explaining his reasoning for not supporting the project instead of flying off like he did. But that's for MSN, and it doesn't belong here, so
*drags thread back ontopic*

[Yameneko549]

I see JK point as well, but there is a counter to it. A split can occur in a community due to any of about one million reasons.

For example, a board I go to actually combined with another in hopes that it would improve things, though each side retained some private boards for it's side. Instead, it started a war that the mods and admins turned a blind eye to.

Another example. A forum I used to go to accused a site of stealing from them. Anyway, it turned out that the site didn't steal from them, but the forum admin still wouldn't admit to the mistake. As a result, the forum split between the "Admin's side" and the "Site's side". Huge war that ended up making one heck of a mess. Took nearly a year for the forum to recover.

One final example. The forum from my first example has shared boards, where both sides can see each other's posts, with special "side ID tags" showing which side they are posting from. Well, one side decided to "join" the other side in order to cause trouble. It ended up making yet another split occur.

As you can see, there are many reasons a split can occur within a community. I don't think making PWP will split the community, but actually make sure each side tries to get get more info while staying accurate, all to try and beat each other to the punch.

[saul]

Hmm.... JK does have a BIG point, although i totally agree with Robo, no need for JK to go and post the THINGS on his site O.o

[Geometric-sama]

Well, everyone gets a bit worked up sometimes, ne? No need to worry~

[pokejungle]

JK~ I do see your point ^-^ And I'm going to do some things to ease your fears. First off, I'll be communicating later today with BG in hopes of making this the best it can be.

I regret saying this will be in competition with the 'pedia. That was my first mistake. Yes, there'll be two pokemon encyclepedia's, but one is made for a ring of sites to use.

Like I said, later today I'll be emailing BG 'pedia head staffer and this project may change a bit dependind on their answer.

The problem is, the BG doesn't want ALL sites to affiliate with the 'pedia. This one is made for sites to use and be listed as one of their resources.

Anyway, I'd wish you would have just IMed me all this right away and I wouldn't have gotten so mad =/

[LeaderMarina]

I really don't see what's wrong with two 'pedias. It's not like BG owns the right to it. And it's not like they're going to be exactly the same...just my opinion though.

I think it's a good idea pokejungle. Good luck!

(I'm still trying to decide if I should join or not...*goes to flip coin*)

[pokejungle]

RMW, Marina and anyone else who is unsure~ The amount of work you put in is up to you ^-^ This doesn't have to be a huge project for you if you don't want it to be. Know that you aren't obligated to put in tons of hours into this =D

[Chrono Cr@cker]

Whoa..this is has stirred up a huge contraversy. I can't understand why Greg feels like this. I mean if this stirs up a problem between the alliance(us) and BG, we can take the heat and ensure that there will be NO war. Why does Greg worry about it? If this is due to the fact that he cares for his friends and that he doesn't want us to get enemies, this certainly ain't the way to show. I agree a Pokepedia was a very original idea by BG but they don't own the whole Pokemon Pediaing buisness, do they?

I mean, X was the first one to make a car but that didn't mean Y couldn't maufacture cars and X & Y never had wars did they. Competition is good in any field and I think it brings out the best in everything. Paul, sending an email to BG was a waste.

~ CC

[saul]

Well it looks like JK is showing a bit of Mercy, lol xD

Apologies for the recent news post. I'm still quite annoyed over the fact. And I am considering taking PJN off the blacklist as he has shown some remorse for what he said. Anyways, the PM bots have transfered 19.45 GB of data. ^^; Hehe... until later days~!
That quote was from: http://www.jkaizer.net

although the avatar JK uses O.o is the one with the hammer JK and the one getting hit Paul O.o, lol Just Kidding xD

[Blaze]

Why can't you guys just come up with your own idea and not trying to copy on someone elses idea?

To copy Bulbapedia is just low seriously, there is no way you guys would have ever EVEN considered doing this if Bulbagarden didn't create Bulbapedia.

Come on be real webmasters who actually use creativity not being 2nd rate webmasters who copy people's ideas.

[pokejungle]

Why can't you guys just come up with your own idea and not trying to copy on someone elses idea?

To copy Bulbapedia is just low seriously, there is no way you guys would have ever EVEN considered doing this if Bulbagarden didn't create Bulbapedia.

Actually....I was looking through Fantastico and saw that they had Wiki's there, so I researched Wiki's a bit more. Now I want to try my hand at making a pokemon one =/ First: I'm not claiming to have had the idea for one. In fact, I'm thinking about linking back to the 'pedia to assure them that we're NOT trying to comptete.

Second, don't EVER call me a second rate webmaster. I'm not ^^ "OmGz! PC iS aLrEaDy a FORUM! Better not make my own, GOODNESS KNOWS THAT'D BE COPYING!" Point and case, more than one entity can exist off of the same engine and do fine.

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I'm still planning on emailing BG, but...well...I went to the pool >>: And to the lake >>; And I was busy. So...that'll probably be done tonight when I'm home. I want to make it a pretty thoughtful email, not just on the fly.

I'm almost sorry I started this project. -.- I can see that it's affecting PC more than anything else. If anymore of this stuff happens, I'll be using the PM system to reduce member stress. I aplologize.

[Yameneko549]

pokejungle, you beat me to it. I was going to say, "Well, if copying makes you a second rate webmaster, maybe we shouldn't use HTML, XHTML, PHP, XML, Perl, whatever other language is used these days. Oh, wait, making a website is copying them. Nevermind!"

Yeah, just because someone "copies" someone else doen't mean they've done something wrong, unless they palagrize that is. Many sites have a links page, or a downloads page, or walkthroughs for various games, or rumors, or cheats.

What really caused you to lash out? I'm sure there was something else you wanted to say. You couldn't have gotten that good rep for nothing.

[Blaze]

PokeJungle just making this wiki wouldn't make you a second rate webmaster, I think you already have shown us how good of one you are beforehand.

Look copying is never good, don't get all in my face and talk about HTML, PHP, XML, etc.. because those are resources for Webmasters to make their own things.

Copying might make you big (example: Serebii.net Scamming Off Of Pokemasters.net) but that doesn't make it right at all.

A REAL Webmaster could take something like a forum (example: PC) and reshape the formula to make it not just a ordinary forum but with content aswell (example: GCF).

Im just hoping to get something orginial out of you for own PJ not some idea that is already in the making over at 20-30 sites.

[saul]

O.o Looks like this is gonna turn into a fight x(
Paul, why not just make a Wiki but I dunno, add in a few things? I'm not sure what we could add with a Wiki but I'm sure we could think of something....?

[pokejungle]

This'll be the second real Wiki about pokemon. It's going to be based of community of SITES not a FORUM. I'm just trying to get together something other sites can use as a resource. It will be unique ^-^ I have something special planned for it.

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BTW- Kyle has almost got it all set up ^0^

[saul]

Are we hosting it on Kyle's server? O.o btw, what is the "special thing" you have planned for it or is it a surprise xD

PokeJungle just making this wiki wouldn't make you a second rate webmaster, I think you already have shown us how good of one you are beforehand.
btw, what is it that PJN has done that makes him a 2nd rate webmaster? Examples, please? :surprised

[pokejungle]

PokeJungle just making this wiki wouldn't make you a second rate webmaster, I think you already have shown us how good of one you are beforehand.

How good I am at being a second rate webmaster? -.-;; I can see that this is getting now more applicants, so:

RMW OR GARY, PLEASE CLOSE THIS.

any further questions can be PMed to me, but we'll be taking this to my forums. PM for the link.

[Blaze]

=P lol you misinterpetated my last post, I am saying if you WERE 2nd rate we would have seen beforehand.

And anyways thats why I said (ty Paul) to add stuff to the Wiki it cant just be a pokemon wiki

[saul]

lol, ya I just noticed I misunderstood, sorry about that Blaze, lol
*hits head*

[pokejungle]

My mistake. Sorry. That's how I originally took it. But then I reread it after Saul posted it >.<;;

I still want this closed. My point is not to rip PC webmasters apart. *report*

[Morkula]

By Paul's request...
*CLOSED*