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^^NICK^^ v.2.0
January 24th, 2004, 10:05 AM
**Please no flaming!**

What do you feel about abortion?
I feel that it ok in some circumstances, like rape or incest. But that's it. It's kind of like murder.

Okay, please discuss this maturely and no flaming. If an S-MOD/Admin/ or Kairi feel this should be closed, please close.

Arwen
January 24th, 2004, 10:34 AM
I am going to keep a big eye on this. 1 Flame and this topic will be locked...

DragonTrainer
January 24th, 2004, 11:12 AM
I promise you, one bad coment, and adios to this thread

As for me, abortion is completely wrong.I mean, its legalized murder.Sure, some people say the baby is not alive until it is a fetus, but right when the egg gets fertilized, life begins.As for pregnant teens, they have to be quite stupid to go and get pregnant while they are teens.Rape is a different story, but I still think abortion is wrong

Arwen
January 24th, 2004, 11:15 AM
Well, If you don't want the baby, just put it up for adoption for a parent who is willing to take care of it or give it to your parents.

Abortion is worng... because it's murder to a innocent baby.

MoonLight
January 24th, 2004, 11:22 AM
I belive Abortion is ok, when you are young and are not ready for a baby. Babies are a big change in your life and ppl that are 12 to 16 can not handle a baby, They are still kids themselfs.

^^NICK^^ v.2.0
January 24th, 2004, 11:22 AM
um, hello, I'm a MOD too. I can close the thread too if it gets out of hand.

Arwen
January 24th, 2004, 11:26 AM
Girls between 12-16 won't get pregent if they don't do uhhh.... you know...

Just don't do it intil you get married... =P...

Miyu-chan
January 24th, 2004, 11:33 AM
It depends, some girls might be raped or something, then they defiantly won't want to have the baby, it reminds them of the time they were raped, right? And if they gave birth to the baby, and when the baby grows up, then it might feel strange that his/her birth mother was raped. But if they had *cough cough* on purpose, then they should give birth to the baby, and put it up for adoption.

Arcanine
January 24th, 2004, 11:53 AM
um, hello, I'm a MOD too. I can close the thread too if it gets out of hand. But some of the other Mods is on more then you (thats why thay said that).
Abortion is wrong, not only for the baby but for the mother. Ill just post the facts about abortion and then get out of this thread.
When a mother over 40 does a abortion then her chance of getting Cancer is 40%, if a mother over 30 does a abortion then her chance of getting Cancer is 60%, and if a mother under 18 does a abortion then her chance of getting Cancer is 180%. Now there is a few facts and now im out of here.

Frostweaver
January 24th, 2004, 11:59 AM
Girls between 12-16 won't get pregent if they don't do uhhh.... you know...
*wants Alyssa to explain that concept to me, my family and to my grandma*

* thinks that just because it's not born yet doesn't mean the baby isn't "alive"... s/he is completely a living human being. That's all it takes for Frosty to believe that it's wrogn at all times (excluding other biblical matter that he's not allowed to point out here)*

* wants to say that just in case someone brings in the infamous "chicken/egg" topic... eggs that humans eat are not fertilized and therefore can never hatch into a live chicken so please do not use that as a comparison... hope people will know what he's thinking about this*

Shining Arcanine
January 24th, 2004, 12:10 PM
If this gets out of hand. I'll close the topic and leave the poll open.

I belive Abortion is ok, when you are young and are not ready for a baby. Babies are a big change in your life and ppl that are 12 to 16 can not handle a baby, They are still kids themselfs.

Then they should not be mating in the first place. Reproduction is called reproduction for a reason.

It depends, some girls might be raped or something, then they defiantly won't want to have the baby, it reminds them of the time they were raped, right? And if they gave birth to the baby, and when the baby grows up, then it might feel strange that his/her birth mother was raped. But if they had *cough cough* on purpose, then they should give birth to the baby, and put it up for adoption.

Too bad, it was conceived, it has as much right to life as the parent. It can be put up for adoption, removed and put into a capsule until it is ready to be born, or a combination of those things but it has a right to life.

oni flygon
January 24th, 2004, 12:37 PM
It depends on the situation. For example, rape. Or if that person is physically unable to give birth. Or if that person doesn't have much money to take care of a child.

Blaine
January 24th, 2004, 12:40 PM
Well, personally, I think abortion is fine. I mean, like Moonlight said, girls who conceive at an early age can't handle having a baby. Sometimes s e x can be an accident and there are consequences to accidents that just can't be undertaken. It may be like murder to some, but when you put yourself in the place of an impregnanted young woman who is shunned and put down because of the baby in her swollen tummy, you know that it's murder on her. Adoption is also hard, because you live the rest of your life know that you gave up someone who you brought into this world. And you know that you'll maybe never see him/her again... And even if you do, it still creates problems. I know, because my mom was adopted and she recently met her biological family and it's created a lot of difficulties and conflict. So all-in-all, I think abortion is O.K.

oni flygon
January 24th, 2004, 12:42 PM
Still counts as depending on the situation. If one overuses it for prostituism or anything overly vile and immoral is wrong...

^^NICK^^ v.2.0
January 24th, 2004, 12:50 PM
I didn't know the fetuses could be put in capsules.

baby*j
January 24th, 2004, 01:54 PM
I think it's fine if you get an abortion before it becomes a fetus.

If it's already a fetus then the woman should have the baby and just
give it up for adoption.

So it depends on the situation ...

oni flygon
January 24th, 2004, 02:00 PM
I think it's fine if you get an abortion before it becomes a fetus.

If it's already a fetus then the woman should have the baby and just
give it up for adoption.

So it depends on the situation ...

I agree with her. Sometimes, it's also considered killing a new life when the fetus starts to live.

Blaine
January 24th, 2004, 02:17 PM
Still counts as depending on the situation. If one overuses it for prostituism or anything overly vile and immoral is wrong...
Prostitution is an occupation for some women. It's used as an alternative for high school drop-outs. Conception under those cirscumstances would be a complete accident because the women use both birth control and anti-conception materials. They know the ropes and know to use protection. But even then, it may be immoral, but these women have enough trouble supporting themselves, let alone a child.

latiosspud
January 24th, 2004, 02:32 PM
Prostitution is an occupation for some women. It's used as an alternative for high school drop-outs. Conception under those cirscumstances would be a complete accident because the women use both birth control and anti-conception materials. They know the ropes and know to use protection. But even then, it may be immoral, but these women have enough trouble supporting themselves, let alone a child.
They only have trouble supporting themselves because they are not smart. It's okay if you live in a poor country where there are no public schools but if you live in a country where you can get free education and just drop out of it that's just plain stupid. So unless it is rape, abortion is wrong.

Blaine
January 24th, 2004, 02:38 PM
They only have trouble supporting themselves because they are not smart. It's okay if you live in a poor country where there are no public schools but if you live in a country where you can get free education and just drop out of it that's just plain stupid. So unless it is rape, abortion is wrong.
But... There are a lot of reasons for dropping out of school. Some people drop out because they're in a situation where they have to support siblings or disabled parents. You can't call them dumb. There's a long list of reasons why one drops out of high school or something like that. And not all prostitutes are stupid. The majority of these women have learned a great deal from experiences with this style of life.

Frostweaver
January 24th, 2004, 02:41 PM
......

*thinks that if the situation we're talking about now is in anywhere except 3rd world country, there's no reason to drop out of school as school is free except colledge/university*
*believes that with high school degree you can still get a job... not a good one but a decent one that isn't "prostitute"*
*thinks that there's no reason for a woman to be a prostitute unless she's forced to be one (such as kidnapped by evil evil people then forced to be a prostitute)*
*still thinks that even if the baby comes from rape/prostitute act, the baby should not be aborted...*
*knows that the above statement is easy to say but close to impossible to do ='(*

Blaine
January 24th, 2004, 02:51 PM
......

*thinks that if the situation we're talking about now is in anywhere except 3rd world country, there's no reason to drop out of school as school is free except colledge/university*
*believes that with high school degree you can still get a job... not a good one but a decent one that isn't "prostitute"*
*thinks that there's no reason for a woman to be a prostitute unless she's forced to be one (such as kidnapped by evil evil people then forced to be a prostitute)*
*still thinks that even if the baby comes from rape/prostitute act, the baby should not be aborted...*
*knows that the above statement is easy to say but close to impossible to do ='(*
Drop-outs don't receive degrees. So you can't say they have one.

Frostweaver
January 24th, 2004, 03:08 PM
........

*wonders why would someone drop out if education is free (as long as the situation is 1st world country)*

Blaine
January 24th, 2004, 03:13 PM
........

*wonders why would someone drop out if education is free (as long as the situation is 1st world country)*
Like I said before:

But... There are a lot of reasons for dropping out of school. Some people drop out because they're in a situation where they have to support siblings or disabled parents. You can't call them dumb. There's a long list of reasons why one drops out of high school or something like that. And not all prostitutes are stupid. The majority of these women have learned a great deal from experiences with this style of life.

Some people drop out of school because of personal reasons or because of intimidation and on and on.

Frostweaver
January 24th, 2004, 03:18 PM
*assumes that the situation is still in 1st world country*
*wonders why this high school student who obviously has no way to support siblings or disabled parents or other family members ask the government for help*
*also wonders at the possibility of "government may not be giving the proper help this family needed therefore forcing the girl to enter prostitution"...*
*is really curious if the above may happen... not likely he hopes* ='(

*doesn't know the laws within the few European countries with legal prostitution (and perhaps even some other countries outside of Europe that Frosty does not know of), but wonders if those "legal" prostitution provide "safe measures" for the "workers" o_o*

Shining Arcanine
January 24th, 2004, 03:48 PM
It depends on the situation. For example, rape. Or if that person is physically unable to give birth. Or if that person doesn't have much money to take care of a child.

If the child is concieved, you have just as much right to kill it as I have to kill you.

Well, personally, I think abortion is fine. I mean, like Moonlight said, girls who conceive at an early age can't handle having a baby. Sometimes s e x can be an accident and there are consequences to accidents that just can't be undertaken. It may be like murder to some, but when you put yourself in the place of an impregnanted young woman who is shunned and put down because of the baby in her swollen tummy, you know that it's murder on her. Adoption is also hard, because you live the rest of your life know that you gave up someone who you brought into this world. And you know that you'll maybe never see him/her again... And even if you do, it still creates problems. I know, because my mom was adopted and she recently met her biological family and it's created a lot of difficulties and conflict. So all-in-all, I think abortion is O.K.

No one ever said that girls had to have children.

Still counts as depending on the situation. If one overuses it for prostituism or anything overly vile and immoral is wrong...

Only situation for an abortion is when the fetus is around a handful of cells and DNA testing reveals that it has a condition where it will brain dead or diease stricken for its entire life. Even if it is diease stricken, I still do not think it is right but if I could, I would not stop a person from doing it.

I didn't know the fetuses could be put in capsules.

Technology is wonderful, isn't it? Anyway, I'm not sure if that was perfected but it can be done.

I think it's fine if you get an abortion before it becomes a fetus.

If it's already a fetus then the woman should have the baby and just
give it up for adoption.

So it depends on the situation ...

Abortion is only possible after it is a fetus.

Prostitution is an occupation for some women. It's used as an alternative for high school drop-outs. Conception under those cirscumstances would be a complete accident because the women use both birth control and anti-conception materials. They know the ropes and know to use protection. But even then, it may be immoral, but these women have enough trouble supporting themselves, let alone a child.

They were stupid and decided to reproduce, after that abortion is not an option.

Anticonception materials are not an option as reproduction means there is a new person coming into the world. Planning to mate during certain points at a women's natural cycle is through.

Edit: I wouldn't stop someone from using anticonception materials through. For one reason. If God says that you are getting a son or daughter as a result of mating, you're getting one and there is nothing you can do to stop him from giving you a child.

Btw, it would be funny to hear reports of condoms suddenly shredding into a million pieces. Too bad anyone that happens to would be too embarassed to tell the media about it.

Drop-outs don't receive degrees. So you can't say they have one.

There is always (I hope) a grammar school degree but that isn't anything to brag about. It won't get you farther than McDonalds in the world.

Shining Arcanine
January 24th, 2004, 04:16 PM
Killing a child in a rape situation is an excellent way to go to heck. Especially if God had plans for that person.

You have options through. It can be born from a capsule and you don't have to be its legal parent.

Igglybuddy
January 24th, 2004, 04:37 PM
There's a been a few statements in this thread that make me want to come to the speaker's houses and disfigure them horribly. But I won't mention names, as that would just escalate things. *twitches*

Anyway.

I believe abortion is a private matter between a woman and her doctor. It -must- be available, especially in rape/incest cases, or situations in which the mother might die giving birth, among others. Just because someone made a poor choice when they were a teen doesn't mean they should be doomed to a life of working crappy jobs because they dropped out of high school to support the child of someone who's long since run off. And sure, they could always give the child up for adoption, but there's a shame factor to consider there.

"We Impregnate, You Don't Decide" was the way it was in the US until 1973. Just think, women are now in charge of what happens with their bodies! *shock and amazment!!*

Think about it, girls...if you were raped, if your boyfriend pressures you into doing it (this happens a lot more than you'd think...and if you're thinking, "F that, I'm too smart to let that happen", I hope to Cheese you're correct), and you get pregnant... well. Let's consider our options: in the rape case, you are now not only a victim, but you're having some ba$tard's kid. You can wait nine months and have the kid, then put it up for adoption...but in the meantime, you've got to keep trying to go to school and endure all the rumours and pitying looks. Or you can have an abortion, quickly and quietly. Same situation with the 'accident' scenario, only in that go around you've gained a reputation as a...woman of questionable repute. *shrugs* It's your choice, I guess.

And to the guys, I don't expect you to understand at all, but if you can, I salute you. Others, you can stand on your moral soapbox and yell until you're blue in the face, but ultimately it's not your choice to make. And although this will make my hands twitch convulsively in the direction of my chainsaw, it's what you believe and I can't change that. Just don't be the rapist or the @sshole boyfriend and we'll get along fine.

So...yes...in a perfect world, no one would have sex until they're ready to support the possibility of offspring, but the world is far from perfect. Nothing is ever going to stop teenagers from having it, education reduces the statistics but some people are just stupid. Even adults sometimes make errors in that particular field...no form of birth control is 100% effective, save abstinence.

No one is in charge of a woman's reproductive organs except herself. End of story.

DragonTrainer
January 24th, 2004, 04:43 PM
You know, through abortion you may have killed future presidents or doctors etc...

Well, how could you live knowing you killed an innocent person just because you were too dumb to have "it" without knowing the consequenses.Or, to prevent rape, just dont walk around alone

Igglybuddy
January 24th, 2004, 05:16 PM
You know, through abortion you may have killed future presidents or doctors etc...

Key words here being 'may have'. I'm more concerned about the mother in the equation, since we know she's a person, who means something to her family and friends. Weigh her worth against the worth of a microscopic cluster of cells.

Perhaps we should be more concerned about all the people in developing countries who have the potential to become a president or doctor, but are not. The thousands of people dying every day of starvation or disease seems a far more despicable problem than the few embryos or fetuses disposed of due to abortion.

Well, how could you live knowing you killed an innocent person just because you were too dumb to have "it" without knowing the consequenses.

I'm sure the women in question would much prefer depression to ruining their reputations or their futures.

Or, to prevent rape, just don't walk around alone.

...Please don't tell me you think it's that simple.

baby*j
January 24th, 2004, 06:07 PM
Or, to prevent rape, just dont walk around alone

Wow ... *jams a pen in eye*

Women can walk around alone, it's not our fault PERVERT men can't
get any and decide to be stupid, ****ing, nasty mother****ers .


What if the woman needs to buy some late-night formula for her baby?
What if the woman has a night job to make her way through college?
What if the someone in the woman's family has a medical emergency and she
needs to go to the hospital?


Those are 3 of the countless scenarios that make your statement uterly ....

RIDICULOUS.

And they don't matter anyway, a woman should be able to walk with her head
held high ALONE whenever she pleases.

Cherrim
January 24th, 2004, 06:20 PM
I'm more concerned about the mother in the equation, since we know she's a person, who means something to her family and friends.
Actually, we know the embryo is a human being because it was created by two human beings and it can't be anything else. ;p But I know where you're coming from.

As I told Shining Arcanine over MSN earlier today, we spent a lot of time on this topic in my religion class. My opinion is basically the same as it was before I learned about abortion, though. I'm not going to share it right now, though, because of lack of brain cells to tell it properly. o_o;

Blaine
January 24th, 2004, 06:25 PM
There's a been a few statements in this thread that make me want to come to the speaker's houses and disfigure them horribly. But I won't mention names, as that would just escalate things. *twitches*

Anyway.

I believe abortion is a private matter between a woman and her doctor. It -must- be available, especially in rape/incest cases, or situations in which the mother might die giving birth, among others. Just because someone made a poor choice when they were a teen doesn't mean they should be doomed to a life of working crappy jobs because they dropped out of high school to support the child of someone who's long since run off. And sure, they could always give the child up for adoption, but there's a shame factor to consider there.

"We Impregnate, You Don't Decide" was the way it was in the US until 1973. Just think, women are now in charge of what happens with their bodies! *shock and amazment!!*

Think about it, girls...if you were raped, if your boyfriend pressures you into doing it (this happens a lot more than you'd think...and if you're thinking, "F that, I'm too smart to let that happen", I hope to Cheese you're correct), and you get pregnant... well. Let's consider our options: in the rape case, you are now not only a victim, but you're having some ba$tard's kid. You can wait nine months and have the kid, then put it up for adoption...but in the meantime, you've got to keep trying to go to school and endure all the rumours and pitying looks. Or you can have an abortion, quickly and quietly. Same situation with the 'accident' scenario, only in that go around you've gained a reputation as a...woman of questionable repute. *shrugs* It's your choice, I guess.

And to the guys, I don't expect you to understand at all, but if you can, I salute you. Others, you can stand on your moral soapbox and yell until you're blue in the face, but ultimately it's not your choice to make. And although this will make my hands twitch convulsively in the direction of my chainsaw, it's what you believe and I can't change that. Just don't be the rapist or the @sshole boyfriend and we'll get along fine.

So...yes...in a perfect world, no one would have sex until they're ready to support the possibility of offspring, but the world is far from perfect. Nothing is ever going to stop teenagers from having it, education reduces the statistics but some people are just stupid. Even adults sometimes make errors in that particular field...no form of birth control is 100% effective, save abstinence.

No one is in charge of a woman's reproductive organs except herself. End of story.
I agree fully! But of course... It took several posts and replying with quotes to state it and it will probably take more. But like Keleri said, this world is not perfect and we have to face the fact that young women are impregnated with children that they are ashamed of or want to regard as an accident and if the kids are given birth to, they'll go through h*** in life from their moms because they won't want to put the children up for adoption cos of shame. And abortion can save these kids from a lifetime of pain.

Also, you can only have an abortion before you're three months into the pregnancy. So the child isn't very well living.

Cherrim
January 24th, 2004, 06:38 PM
Actually, you can have abortions up until at least 8 months into the pregnancy... possibly more. But it's much more painful for the mother and the options you have for the abortion are much less varied. If I remember correctly, it basically involves killing the baby before it comes through the birth canal or killing it in some other way and physically removing it from the mother. It's legal in Canada, since a baby doesn't have human rights until it has left the mother... alive. It's pretty terrible.

Shining Arcanine
January 24th, 2004, 07:01 PM
There's a been a few statements in this thread that make me want to come to the speaker's houses and disfigure them horribly. But I won't mention names, as that would just escalate things. *twitches*

Anyway.

I believe abortion is a private matter between a woman and her doctor. It -must- be available, especially in rape/incest cases, or situations in which the mother might die giving birth, among others. Just because someone made a poor choice when they were a teen doesn't mean they should be doomed to a life of working crappy jobs because they dropped out of high school to support the child of someone who's long since run off. And sure, they could always give the child up for adoption, but there's a shame factor to consider there.

"We Impregnate, You Don't Decide" was the way it was in the US until 1973. Just think, women are now in charge of what happens with their bodies! *shock and amazment!!*

Think about it, girls...if you were raped, if your boyfriend pressures you into doing it (this happens a lot more than you'd think...and if you're thinking, "F that, I'm too smart to let that happen", I hope to Cheese you're correct), and you get pregnant... well. Let's consider our options: in the rape case, you are now not only a victim, but you're having some ba$tard's kid. You can wait nine months and have the kid, then put it up for adoption...but in the meantime, you've got to keep trying to go to school and endure all the rumours and pitying looks. Or you can have an abortion, quickly and quietly. Same situation with the 'accident' scenario, only in that go around you've gained a reputation as a...woman of questionable repute. *shrugs* It's your choice, I guess.

And to the guys, I don't expect you to understand at all, but if you can, I salute you. Others, you can stand on your moral soapbox and yell until you're blue in the face, but ultimately it's not your choice to make. And although this will make my hands twitch convulsively in the direction of my chainsaw, it's what you believe and I can't change that. Just don't be the rapist or the @sshole boyfriend and we'll get along fine.

So...yes...in a perfect world, no one would have sex until they're ready to support the possibility of offspring, but the world is far from perfect. Nothing is ever going to stop teenagers from having it, education reduces the statistics but some people are just stupid. Even adults sometimes make errors in that particular field...no form of birth control is 100% effective, save abstinence.

No one is in charge of a woman's reproductive organs except herself. End of story.

The child is God's child and it has as much right to life as you do.

Btw, how would you like it if you were aborted? Hey, you are still alive, an abortion of you is still possible. All you have do is take a big metal object and bash your skull in. Not a pleasant thought, is it? Well you are doing that to another human being when you have an abortion and in the end, you will have to answer to God. He gets angry pretty easily considering what he was going to do to the Israelites until Moses (a person who God was still happy with) asked God not to. I wouldn't want to have to speak to him regarding breaking the 5th commandment as you can go to Heck for that. However, I'm sure he will think you're "its my body and I can do with it as I please" atitude and not sentence you to spend the rest of eternity (it never ends) in a blazing inferno with nothing to do but get angrier and angrier at yourself for being ignorant while you were alive.

Anyway, I believe I said I'd close the topic if anyone started cursing and I'm a person of my word. *Closed*

Edit: Btw, here is something to think about, what if the person you are killing is the person God has chosen to cure a diease that would wipe out the entire human race? You'll have to answer to God for killing 6.2 Billion people... Ouch.

Arcanine
January 25th, 2004, 11:55 AM
There is not a big reason why this thread should be closed. Unless you put in it the 9th rule of PC "Political and sexual topics do not belong here. For that matter, try to avoid these issues in posts as well." (if it is that then the thread was should not have been started in the first place). But I will reopen it, and if there is any flame to another member in here then it will be closed and not reopened.
*Open*

^^NICK^^ v.2.0
January 25th, 2004, 12:28 PM
Thanks. Well, anymore opinions?

Frostweaver
January 25th, 2004, 12:34 PM
......

*wants to thank Arcanine for considering about his PM ^_^*
*thinks that this isn't "sexual" as 3 of the 4 Smods posted in this before and didn't close it then... therefore meaning that they must have considered it alright when they first look at this topic*
*wonders if "neutral" and "depends on situation" are the same thing...*

^^NICK^^ v.2.0
January 25th, 2004, 12:39 PM
no, because when I put neutral, i meant for it to mean not having an opinion. And Depends...means you have an opinion

John Denver
January 25th, 2004, 02:54 PM
I don't believe in Abortion, never have never will...

There is never an instance where you should use abortion.

What if you get raped?

Well then kill the rapist, not the baby

What if the mother is too young and she can't handle having a baby

Then she couldn't handle having sex either, be she apparently chose to.

It's a womans body! She can abort it if she wants to!

I agree, if a woman wants to kill herself than have at it. The baby should be left alone though.

Hmm, i think it's so HORRIBLE how some states don't give the fathers any say in the matter. It's their child just as much as it is the mothers!

And by the way, if there is even a HINT of flaming then any of the S-Mods (including me) will prolly close this thread immediately...

BOO ya!

22sa
January 25th, 2004, 03:59 PM
I don't think it is ever "right" to abort a child since it is murder unless it threatens the life of the mother.

^^NICK^^ v.2.0
January 25th, 2004, 04:01 PM
I guess Dakota has a point about the rape thing.

22sa
January 25th, 2004, 04:19 PM
I guess Dakota has a point about the rape thing.
He does. It's also much safer to just let the baby be born than undertake abortion.

DragonTrainer
January 25th, 2004, 04:55 PM
Yes, abortion is completely wrong, it's killing an innocent child that had no right to be killed

Cosmos
January 25th, 2004, 05:06 PM
I think that abortion is murder. Its just not right. They could at least put the baby for adoption.

Zento
January 25th, 2004, 05:41 PM
Um... Yeah.... I think it's the woman's right to choose. I'm going to state my opinion as well as I can since I'm terrible with words, especially in situations such as these. And I'm slightly naive on abortion, so just laugh at my ignorance. I don't care.....

I honestly don't think a girl or a woman would want the constant reminder of her rape with the child around, and if anybody found out people might shun the kid for that along with the mother (particulary if she is a very young girl). Honestly, that is mentally scarring for a person, especially a young child.

It might be bad for the child as well if it was born. What if the man had a genital disease? Oh wow! What a fantastic gift for the baby! (This also applies to people who've had sex by their choice as well.) Of course, they could always get a C-Section(sp?). Hopefully, I'm using the right term for this. Like I said, I'm pretty naive on this subject.

And for all the religious people out there.... I honestly don't think God will be too upset and send people to Hll. Give him a little more credit than that! Personally, I don't think anybody goes to Hll. It doesn't seem to me that God would seperate souls of families and soulmates. If that sounds stupid to you, keep you're trap shut. But I'll try not to say anymore on religion.

And you say you're killing an innocent child..... What about people on death row? They're killing people as well. Though some may think they have plenty reason to kill the person (I think guilt alone is enough to torture the person, unless he/she is insane). But many innocent people been killed that way.
Murder happens everyday whether you like it or not. I found all you war happy people to be complete hypocrits if you think abortion is wrong.

I'm not saying anybody here is a hypocrit, moreso people I actually know. I know they're not viewing this board, but eh....

*feels stupid now for the poor writing and opinion*

latiosspud
January 25th, 2004, 05:52 PM
Um... Yeah.... I think it's the woman's right to choose. I'm going to state my opinion as well as I can since I'm terrible with words, especially in situations such as these. And I'm slightly naive on abortion, so just laugh at my ignorance. I don't care.....

I honestly don't think a girl or a woman would want the constant reminder of her rape with the child around, and if anybody found out people might shun the kid for that along with the mother (particulary if she is a very young girl). Honestly, that is mentally scarring for a person, especially a young child.

It might be bad for the child as well if it was born. What if the man had a genital disease? Oh wow! What a fantastic gift for the baby! (This also applies to people who've had sex by their choice as well.) Of course, they could always get a C-Section(sp?). Hopefully, I'm using the right term for this. Like I said, I'm pretty naive on this subject.

And for all the religious people out there.... I honestly don't think God will be too upset and send people to Hll. Give him a little more credit than that! Personally, I don't think anybody goes to Hll. It doesn't seem to me that God would seperate souls of families and soulmates. If that sounds stupid to you, keep you're trap shut. But I'll try not to say anymore on religion.

And you say you're killing an innocent child..... What about people on death row? They're killing people as well. Though some may think they have plenty reason to kill the person (I think guilt alone is enough to torture the person, unless he/she is insane). But many innocent people been killed that way.
Murder happens everyday whether you like it or not. I found all you war happy people to be complete hypocrits if you think abortion is wrong.

I'm not saying anybody here is a hypocrit, moreso people I actually know. I know they're not viewing this board, but eh....

*feels stupid now for the poor writing and opinion*
Are you saying that the person getting the abortion should go to death row just like the other murderers?

22sa
January 25th, 2004, 05:56 PM
Um... Yeah.... I think it's the woman's right to choose. I'm going to state my opinion as well as I can since I'm terrible with words, especially in situations such as these. And I'm slightly naive on abortion, so just laugh at my ignorance. I don't care.....

I honestly don't think a girl or a woman would want the constant reminder of her rape with the child around, and if anybody found out people might shun the kid for that along with the mother (particulary if she is a very young girl). Honestly, that is mentally scarring for a person, especially a young child.

It might be bad for the child as well if it was born. What if the man had a genital disease? Oh wow! What a fantastic gift for the baby! (This also applies to people who've had sex by their choice as well.) Of course, they could always get a C-Section(sp?). Hopefully, I'm using the right term for this. Like I said, I'm pretty naive on this subject.

And for all the religious people out there.... I honestly don't think God will be too upset and send people to Hll. Give him a little more credit than that! Personally, I don't think anybody goes to Hll. It doesn't seem to me that God would seperate souls of families and soulmates. If that sounds stupid to you, keep you're trap shut. But I'll try not to say anymore on religion.

And you say you're killing an innocent child..... What about people on death row? They're killing people as well. Though some may think they have plenty reason to kill the person (I think guilt alone is enough to torture the person, unless he/she is insane). But many innocent people been killed that way.
Murder happens everyday whether you like it or not. I found all you war happy people to be complete hypocrits if you think abortion is wrong.

I'm not saying anybody here is a hypocrit, moreso people I actually know. I know they're not viewing this board, but eh....

*feels stupid now for the poor writing and opinion*
Maybe that's not necessary since it depends more on the person's choice than God's...

Zento
January 25th, 2004, 05:58 PM
Are you saying that the person getting the abortion should go to death row just like the other murderers?

No! Goodness no! I told you I explain things wrong.

I'm saying why do people think abortion is wrong if they're killing people on death row. They have as much of a right to live as anyone else I think.

God, I suck....

Arcanine
January 25th, 2004, 06:20 PM
Thats it, flaming in here (Zento's long post). I was hoping I made the right choice in re-opening this thread, but like I said any flaming and this thread is closed (Zento's post was flame) Now I will go back to what SA did. And this time it will not be re-opened.
*Closed*