Your first girlfriend/boyfriend

[John Denver]

Am I the first one to think of this thread? Heck yes!

What was he/she like? Did it end the way you wanted it to? Do you still like em? love em? hate em? You two still friends? bitter enemys?

And, this is for IRL relationships. I'll break the legs of the first person to come in here talking about their pair!

BOO ya!

[Inuyasha]

Am I the first one to think of this thread? Heck yes!

What was he/she like? Did it end the way you wanted it to? Do you still like em? love em? hate em? You two still friends? bitter enemys?

And, this is for IRL relationships. I'll break the legs of the first person to come in here talking about their pair!

BOO ya!

>.> Well. Her name was Jessica... And... we dated on an off a lot.
-.- it ended when she dumped me for her... step brother.

I'm semimostlyhappy now. So it's all goood! xD

[John Denver]

For her step brother? That's like, incest! Eww!

[Inuyasha]

For her step brother? That's like, incest! Eww!

'He's my brother by marrage... so its not that bad.'
-twitch-
Oh well... I gotz my kagome...
BTW Dakota...
Nice ta see ya 'gain...
BOO ya! XD

[ryan]

aha... i had my first girlfriend when i was in 8th grade. we were way shy around each other and it didn't go very well. it ended after 3.5 months. she started dating my (former) best friend and told me that she'd liked him for the last 2 of the 3 months we'd been dating. OUCH... i got dissed...

[Pikadude]

My first girlfriend....7th grade! We had liked each other for a while and were good friends....then i asked her out....and now it has been four years and we are still as strong as ever!

[Lust]

Well, my first girlfriend was a girl who I really really cared for even though I was only in 6th grade. We went out for about 3-4 months and then she dumped me. xD At least we're friends now.

[Minako]

I got my first boyfriend at young age... Ten, I think I was... So obviously, there wasn't much thought and maturity put into it. o_O I liked him, but I had no idea about the reality of things, and in the end we did some pretty stupid stuff that I can only excuse because of my ignorance. It ended with our parents fighting and then banning us from ever playing together, so it was pretty bitter. ;/ It would be nice to see him again, but for the most part, I've forgotten about it all >>;

[Greta]

My first boyfriend was last year...we met during summer time, he was about 1 year older than me. We used to like each other from the first time we saw each other, but none of us would make a move. Then after a day or two, a friend of mine told everything to him, I was so mad at her, but then we ended up to be together. We were like together day and night, and wouldn't care about what others might have said about us.
We stayed together for 2 weeks, because then he had to leave. I remember myself be depressed for days...This summer, we met again and stayed together for some days but then we agreed to just be friends, sicne we wouldn't see each other for the rest of the year. Right now we communicate through e-mails.

[Munashii]

Well, I never really had a boyfriend, but I can tell you about a boy that really liked me, hehe, it happened during camp, and it was so funny, actually. Who wants to hear it, it's a really long story.

[Cybex Mewtwo]

Unfortunately, I never had the expriencec most others had. So I cannot tell you about such events...but I have liked someone before...

[Innocence]

My first girlfriend is the one i'm with now. I want to dump her(in a nice way) though, But i don't have the heart to. OMG! My best friend and little brother are on this forum! Oh well, That's off my chest now.

[Forest Grovyle]

I've never had a boyfriend so there's nothing to tell! XD On the up side though it means I've never had to go through the heartbreak of losing one! ^^ To be honest I'm not really looking for one at the moment either since I have a lot else on my mind. When I'm more free with my time, then I'll start considering it. ^^

[Kylie-chan]

I am far too young~ :x Most of the kids in my class think that Year Seven is an acceptable grade to be feeling each other in >_>

[Xhaiden]

My first was Zanstic In real life ^^ We were so cute! XD the two of us were afraid to even hold hands in public! LOL! We ended up splitting up and became best friends! ^^ *huggles Twin*

[DarkPegasus]

WoW thanks D! Now I know what IRL means! *Bows down* XD

But... lets talk about my first girlfriend. I had the first "real" one in 7th grade. I didn't love her but she had a nice package XD (she had a very sexy body and a pretty face... but I didn't like her personalty). We are still friends- kinda... I don't see much of my friends since I started high school.

O and he had brown hair/eyes... was shorter than me. and so on... XD

[ryan]

i don't get along with any of my old girlfriends. probably because i end up ranting my head off at them once they break up with me... *shifts uncomfortably* but i've had 4 girlfriends and each of them has left me for somebody else! WOOOOHOOOOOO!
that's how much of a player i am :cool: <= (note the coolness here)
but ya, my first one was probably worst because it was my best friend that she went after.

[Yami_Zidane]

Ouch, i feel your pain Ryan... be prepared for a long story.

Well my first serious girlfriend, was almost a year back now i suppose. It took a lot of courage just for me to tell her that i liked her but eventually i did and we were "going out"

So everything was going fine and we were happy i spose that lasted about two months if remember correctly till i started feeling depressed because of the pressure of school (thank you bullies) and my home situation (which i wont go into at the present time).

So i got really quiet and i suppose she didnt like that, so that was about the time she told me she thought she was ill, she said she was finding it hard to breath at first i wasnt too sure if i was to believe her or not, but when i was with her and she nearly fainted i obviously did.

When she started getting worse she told me over msn (how lame is that) that she wanted to finnish it, this crushed what was left of me. Apparently she didnt want me to see her "the way she was" but i thought thats what boyfriends were for.

Anyway we broke up and i was completly heartbroken, she eventually went to the hospital and got the all clear and not long after that one of my best friends went for her with out a seconds thought for my feelings or opinion.
To this day they've been dating and it tears me up inside and i will probably always hate him for doing it to me, but i have to grin and bear it and hope that if me and her are meant to be it will happen, if not as long as shes happy i wont interfere.

A pretty depressing story about a first girlfriend but it wont put me off, if they ever split up i'll be in there in a heartbeat, untill then theres still fish in the sea

[John Denver]

My first girlfriend, ever...in life...was in my senior year of high school>_<

I liked her, and she *gasp* liked me...we were both pretty immature and had never had a relationship with anybody, so of course we went out. Then she just broke up...no reason, just, ended it. I don't mind though, twas for the better.

I've decided to go mega slow with relationships. I hate the kind of people that go through boy/girlfriends like popcorn. I'm not gonna start another relationship unless I really, really, really, REALLY like the person.

cha

[Jarman]

I never had one yet (technically I had one in kindergarten, but that's different). I asked someone out last year, but they said no.

[Koriaku]

I had one in grade 8, but I really hated her, so we quit.

[Signomi]

Hmm..I never went out with another ever since I was in Year Eight, when some guy suddenly taken a liking to me and I normally brushed him off, saying I don't do dates and stuff...then came to a point where he I felt sorry for him and decided to give him a chance. Went out a couple of times, he was quite good company ^^; Though what made us break up...I can't remember XD But he and I are still friends though.

[Sailor Chibi Lunatone]

Well, I 'married' a boy in my class when I was in kindergarten, but I'm not going to count that.

My first 'real' boyfriend (meaning a boy who's more than just my friend) was in 7th grade. His name was Daniel, and we were going out for a few months, but then he moved away, and we decided to break up because it would be too hard to keep up the relationship, and it would be kind of wierd to have a boyfriend/girlfriend who lived on the other side of the country.

[Geometric-sama]

*walks into thread and starts going on about Gweggy*

XD I've never had one... that's kind of depressing, isn't it? In university and I've never been on a date, or been kissed... I just stare at people from afar and obsess over band members, mostly. There are downsides to skipping grades, and this is one of them.

[Kura]

I've never had a boyfriend ._. I don't really want one either..

@@ I dont want to jump into a relationship too quickly.. ._. and i only want to be with someone who i love dearly..
@@ IMO I don't think it's right to share a kiss with someone you only 'like' and not 'love'
I think it would just feel false.. and if you don't actually love the person in the first place, you wont end up getting anywhere in the relationship and you will break up in the end..

._. soo.. right now i'm just living my life normally.. ._. no boyfriend.. @@ I'm not really looking.. but when i find him :3 I believe I'll know <3 <3 <3

~ Kura-pu~

[John Denver]

I've never had a boyfriend ._. I don't really want one either..

@@ I dont want to jump into a relationship too quickly.. ._. and i only want to be with someone who i love dearly..
@@ IMO I don't think it's right to share a kiss with someone you only 'like' and not 'love'
I think it would just feel false.. and if you don't actually love the person in the first place, you wont end up getting anywhere in the relationship and you will break up in the end..

._. soo.. right now i'm just living my life normally.. ._. no boyfriend.. @@ I'm not really looking.. but when i find him :3 I believe I'll know <3 <3 <3

~ Kura-pu~

Man thats the exact same with me....

cept...with a girl O_o

[ryan]

I've decided to go mega slow with relationships. I hate the kind of people that go through boy/girlfriends like popcorn. I'm not gonna start another relationship unless I really, really, really, REALLY like the person.

chasmart man you are *tips his hat* popcorn is an awesome similie.
ya, so at the moment, i've got like 5 or 6 girls who i'm setting as my target for "the next girl to dump me for some other guy." (i think like 3 of them have interest in me though, being a foursquare captain certainly has it's perks. chicks dig guys who rock at foursquare)

[Karasuma]

Let's see...Her name was angelica and we were both a cute couple until she dumped me for another one (*Cries*) it's so sad.

[Demon_Slayer]

her name was Perry she was like a dream she was very nice she was my very first girlfriend that counted I met her while practicing for a schoolplay, she was reviewing us and she smiled at me of course back then girls were all over me they couldnt get enough of me i was 11 and man she was very cute. She continued smiling at me and i kept my eye on her basically i was using my charm she couldnt stop finally when i had the time to i asked her out and she of course said yes she was my dream until she broke up with me a week later saying that she didnt want to date guys for awhile.

[Charizard_Fire_God]

Fell in love once, but mainly because of her aspect, tch, but never actually got tha guts ta say it. Anyways she wasn't actualy my type, tch, so it's better I guess. Attempt two -- she was tha perfect match, I wasn't gonna hold back this time, tch, but let's just say fate conspired against me. As I'd Grown I told myself I'd never be suited ta have a girl, but I couldn't help not fall in love. Tch, an' after musterin' so much power as ta take this one leap of faith THIS happens. >_<

Sounds tragic-ish, doesn't it? Tch, it'd be a real soap opera if y'all knew the other half of it too, but meh, tch, I've already intoxicated y'all enough with all this emo stuff. XD

[Mr Cat Dog]

Never had one, so can't tell.

My brother had one when he was 6, and she hit him on the head with a baseball bat. Had to go into ER for 6 hours. Looking back on it, it seems funnier than it actually was.

[Dragon-Chan]

I've only had one boyfriend so far. And now we've lost touch. I moved away and now we can't keep in touch because he never seems to answer the phone (and it doens't have an aswerign machine.)

[Geometric-sama]

smart man you are *tips his hat* popcorn is an awesome similie.
ya, so at the moment, i've got like 5 or 6 girls who i'm setting as my target for "the next girl to dump me for some other guy." (i think like 3 of them have interest in me though, being a foursquare captain certainly has it's perks. chicks dig guys who rock at foursquare)
Uh... was that a joke? XD Foursquare was popular when I was about 7... at girls' schools, it was never big at the co-ed schools here... and went out of fashion after a couple of months XD

We called it Dunce though.

[Kura]

Man thats the exact same with me....

cept...with a girl O_o

neh ._. seems like a lot of people have that general outlook to girlfriends/ boyfriends..
*shrugs* o.o..

[The Songbird]

So far I've been in 2 relationships. The first lasted about 2 months. But then he said something to the effect of...
"I thought I really loved you. I don't want to go any further with this" And this was the day before Valentine's Day. (And Friday the 13th. o.O;;; )
He then tried to convince me he still wanted my friendship. And I actually believed him for a few weeks. But then he started avoiding me between classes. And whenever I called, "I'm really busy right now. I can't talk to you." Even when I was seeing if he was ok just after Hurricane Jeanne hit last year. In the background I heard music to Mortal Kombat: Deception.
Yeah. He was too busy to talk to me. Apparently MK was more important than his friend.
Then he did the same thing to another one of my friends. A few weeks into their relationship, he moved to Las Vegas, never to be heard from again, from either of us.


Then there was Blake... XD
He and I just broke up the day before Labor Day. But since, he has been the total opposite of my first boyfriend. He's still the best friend I've ever had, and my number-ine supporter as a writer. (And my muse. XD) He still tells me sometimes that he loves me, but he means it as a friend.

[Inuyasha]

So far I've been in 2 relationships. The first lasted about 2 months. But then he said something to the effect of...
"I thought I really loved you. I don't want to go any further with this" And this was the day before Valentine's Day. (And Friday the 13th. o.O;;; )
He then tried to convince me he still wanted my friendship. And I actually believed him for a few weeks. But then he started avoiding me between classes. And whenever I called, "I'm really busy right now. I can't talk to you." Even when I was seeing if he was ok just after Hurricane Jeanne hit last year. In the background I heard music to Mortal Kombat: Deception.
Yeah. He was too busy to talk to me. Apparently MK was more important than his friend.
Then he did the same thing to another one of my friends. A few weeks into their relationship, he moved to Las Vegas, never to be heard from again, from either of us.


Then there was Blake... XD
He and I just broke up the day before Labor Day. But since, he has been the total opposite of my first boyfriend. He's still the best friend I've ever had, and my number-ine supporter as a writer. (And my muse. XD) He still tells me sometimes that he loves me, but he means it as a friend.


/comfort

You seem nice enough... >.>
Want me to kill the first guy for ya? I'll make a deal... 100$ even.
-cough- Ey, I am italian... xD hehehe.
J/k... i know how you feel though. >.< believe me. you dont wanna know.

[shadowmastermarcus]

:P i just got my first girlfriend. She is so sweet and pretty,i luv her!

Yeah, She's 2 years older then me, but im still in the same classes as her, we're both in Grade 7 (thus with my age im supposed 2 be in grade 5). but its not like im immature or anything, actually in my last report, i was said to be the "most mature person in the entire grade" So, yeah

[Esupio]

no girl friend for me not my style heck I've had friends that are girls but thats different but I'm really good friends with this insane girl and well ya never know do ya

[Greed]

::Reply to The Songbird:: But then again, I blew off a couple of girls because I was playing MK. lol, you never know. Video games are pretty important to a guy's life.

Let's see. Currently, I don't mind. I am constantly moving from one girl/guy to another. I like to sample my ice cream first. :3 But I doubt I'll ever go serious. I'm not into getting married and being "respectful to the concept of marriage" :p

But I first had a boyfriend. He was sweet but meh.

The only real relationship I had was with this girl. I loved her a lot, and I would have done anything to be with her. Unfortunate for me, I was just a boy-toy to her and she left me for another one.

But meh, I've gotten over her ^_^ Thank God, cus love only made me an idiot slave :p I don't plan to be that again

But I can guarantee one thing, I basically got felt up by every person I was in a relationship with <3 Feels good tho :) S'too bad though. When I was young I hoped I'd only screw the person whom I loved. :/

[Geometric-sama]

That's what I'm hoping :P *regarding the last bit of post above* XD

[Greed]

::to JA:: Lesson to be learned here: Don't be like your old pal, Greed. ;-; Its probably ten times better when one save oneself till they find the perfect soulmate <3

[The Songbird]

/comfort

You seem nice enough... >.>
Want me to kill the first guy for ya? I'll make a deal... 100$ even.
-cough- Ey, I am italian... xD hehehe.
J/k... i know how you feel though. >.< believe me. you dont wanna know.

Thanks for the offer, but I wish to avenge my friend and my own feelings. XD I am quite vengeful at times, especially when my friends are hurt.

Besides, I only have $65 right now. Payday isn't till thursday. XD

[Greed]

^I hear you. Except I'm a bit mixed up..

I can love my ex for one minute, then want to knock her teeth out the next minute. :/

[The Songbird]

What really angered me about what Matt did was what he totally dissed my friend. Never spoke another word after he asked her out. He hasn't even spoken to me since May. And according to him we were best friends. o.o I shall find his phone number and tell him off! With my friend there to listen as I avenge her! XD

[mandy_m_2004]

I haven't had a bf yet but i have a very very very big crush on thin guy named daniel. I have liked him for like 7 months but he is just now knoticing me. he is very sweet and i think he is going to ask me out really soon. i don't normally talk to him, but I was in the library, and he saw me and called my name... when i tuned around i was soooo suprized and he was really really sweet, but he's norrmally a huge goof ball.

[Claire]

my first relationship was really random XD it was when i was 15 and i went out with a guy who was *gasp* 21! I was all puppy-loved up, as most girls get at that age XD but he was such a perve >.> but i never gave into him..hence him breaking up with me 2 months down the line X3

[Caroline]

my first relationship was really random XD it was when i was 15 and i went out with a guy who was *gasp* 21! I was all puppy-loved up, as most girls get at that age XD but he was such a perve >.> but i never gave into him..hence him breaking up with me 2 months down the line X3

Claire, that sounds interesting.
I'm surprised your parents approved of you having an relationship with someone of that age... my parents would have freaked out big time.
It's a shame that he had to be a perve... sometimes people that are older than you can make a great boyfriend, cause their older and they understand things better and they won't rush you... it's just a shame things didn't work out...
But yeah, I suppose you found someone better in the end.

As for me, I haven't really had a boyfriend in real life... o__O;
Actually there was this one time.... *is about to go into a long speech* Hmm... maybe I should leave it till next time... but for some reason I get into relationships over the net... o__O;

[Claire]

My parents weren't that pleased XD but they were quiet about their annoyance X3 of course i couldn't have him in my room with any lights down, though XD man..that feels like an eternity ago XD
Yeah, i've had 4 relationships since, and i'm in the one that i'm confident will last for good, so there's no love lost XD it was just a little puppy relationship X3

[John Denver]

My first girlfriend was *meh* 2 and a half years younger than me...I was 17 >_> yeah I know...

I was a good boyfriend I think...but I guess she just stopped liking me, er something

[Josephine]

My first girlfriend was one year onlder than i was then..so that would be 12 ^^, it was quite random though, i thought she was cute and then VERY randomly she started chasing me XD. then she locked me in the boys toilets and snogged me, lol, then she let me go, lol, it was on holiday and by the time i got home that was practically that relationship over! XD

[John Denver]

I don't think that really counts Davey Kun ;););)

[Chase Leader]

You know the saying the first break up never takes...it should've but didn't. My first actual girlfreind was in 11th grade we broke up then got back together then became freinds and now I hate her...but I did learn several lessons...listen to your freinds, listen to your parents and figure out that if a relationship is rough and one-sided END it.

There is hope, I started college and there is hope thats all I have to say.

[John Denver]

You know the saying the first break up never takes...it should've but didn't. My first actual girlfreind was in 11th grade we broke up then got back together then became freinds and now I hate her...but I did learn several lessons...listen to your freinds, listen to your parents and figure out that if a relationship is rough and one-sided END it.

There is hope, I started college and there is hope thats all I have to say.

I remember her *blech* I always called her DaaavvvvvY and I guess that bothered her >_O

[Josephine]

you two go to the same school? *sigh* no-one form my school goes on PC, anyway, first girlfriend thingy subject, ya, my first was weird, yet realy cute, XD

[Mr.Mime]

Jessica was the first lasted 2 1/2 years then we went too a party and got off with someone else :P :P :P

Steve

[marshmello]

mmmmmmmmm....................................................



Dunno really going out with people at my age is stupid, its like looking at a person and saying I wanna ask u out!



stupid

[John Denver]

mmmmmmmmm....................................................



Dunno really going out with people at my age is stupid, its like looking at a person and saying I wanna ask u out!



stupid

Heh, 11...keeeyoot...

Don't worry, in 3 to 4 years, you'll change your mind

[Esupio]

no girl friend for me not my style heck I've had friends that are girls but thats different but I'm really good friends with this insane girl and well ya never know do ya
fwee she asked me out today and I dunno what to say cause I don't really know her well

[The Dark Jedi]

My first girl friend was when i was in year 7 i was in a school dance and some gurl asked me to go with her she was the same age as me we danced and i took her home and after that just before she went into her house she said "i love you" i was really suprised cos i did'nt know her at all so the next whole week i was getting to know her andd then i started like her...but know i dumbed her cos she was getting spoilet and mean VERY Spoilt...

[^^NICK^^ v.4.0]

Fourth grade. She will remain nameless. I liked her since the first day of school, and we finally started going out in May. She broke up with me in August, because she liked my bestfriend. I didn't care, that much, because I like my bestfriend's girlfriend.

As of now, I'm done with that, dating or whatever. It's so stupid when you're my age, seriously. People just go out with people just to say they do, and then they bring love into it, knowing it's not true. I don't like tossing that word around, because one: I'm not an affectionate person. Two: If I don't mean it, I feel awkward saying it. My last girlfriend and I went out for a day and a half, because I was not feeling it. I guess I liked her, but I feel so fake in relationships, being the boyfriend type doesn't come naturally to me unless I am truly in love, and I don't know how that feels now, it's been so long.

[John Denver]

Nick, nice to see ya...

and some of you guys here are just so young...you think just cause you hold hands or dance with a girl then she's your girlfriend? Bleh...wait till you're older, it's better that way

[Chase Leader]

Good point Dakota, cause technically my first girlfreind was in 6th or 7th grade, we dated, I was dumb, she was a hore...who just wanted some. Thats not love, and it only lasted about less than a month.

[^^NICK^^ v.4.0]

Nick, nice to see ya...

and some of you guys here are just so young...you think just cause you hold hands or dance with a girl then she's your girlfriend? Bleh...wait till you're older, it's better that way

Oh, it's my pleasure. :D

And I agree. Younger kids just do it to say they have a girl/boyfriend, it doesn't really mean anything.

[Envy]

I do so kinda agree with ya on that! My first boyfriend was a purvert,he was always following me around.but I did kinda liked being brothered by someone....so anyone whos so young,don't date because its COOL!And also,U'll always know it'll end someday,so whats the point?!

[x-treme scripter]

Man, I never associate with girls. All I do is hang around with boys with big muscles and some experience in martial arts. I bet we devastated at least 5 girls by trapping their boyfriends then hammering him on a 1 on 1 fight. I'll never get into a relationship ... as if I really care lol. Of course I'm twelve and everyone says I don't understand and I probably never will. I did see one guy who was 11 and went out with 15 year olds. That guy is just strange ...

[Envy]

When u get older.u'll grow these kind of feelings when u meet that person.....just don't know when!!XDBut,u'll someday have them,there going to be hurting your life forever!

[John Denver]

I do so kinda agree with ya on that! My first boyfriend was a purvert,he was always following me around.but I did kinda liked being brothered by someone....so anyone whos so young,don't date because its COOL!And also,U'll always know it'll end someday,so whats the point?!

You're only...thirteen >_<!!

Man, I never associate with girls. All I do is hang around with boys with big muscles and some experience in martial arts. I bet we devastated at least 5 girls by trapping their boyfriends then hammering him on a 1 on 1 fight. I'll never get into a relationship ... as if I really care lol. Of course I'm twelve and everyone says I don't understand and I probably never will. I did see one guy who was 11 and went out with 15 year olds. That guy is just strange ...

and you're only 12! You know nothing yet!!

I'm so effing old omg!

[Avatar]

I don't see how you can understand the true meaning of love when you're about 12-15 (16-18 can be applied aswell). It's not something you learn, nor experience at a young age.
What you refer to as love is what I'd define a crush.

When you get older, you'll understand the meaning of love.

[mattgcn]

Relationships at my age are ridiculous at this point. They're little attention grabbing flings or impulse. That's why I'm waiting.

[♥Whitney♥]

Hhmmm,my 1st boyfriend was in 7th grade,yeah I was young and stupid and it didn't work out,that's all I have got to say. ^^

[Agent9]

My first girlfriend was in 5th grade. Our relationship wasn't as strong as i hoped. We had an on and off relationship. I recently asked her out again now that we are in sixth grade. It was a no. I'm over her now.

[Himawarii]

My first boyfriend is my boyfriend right now!^^Yeah,I like that alot.He didn't dump me like alot of people's first crush does^^I usually end up getting chased by boys everywhere but blah,I'm taken.

[Karasuma]

Yeah, girls chase me as well. They just want to touch my muscles in my arms. I had these girls named Jess and a girl named Roxy and they just kept on touching my biceps.

[VelvetDratini]

I went out with someone at the start of this year who i did really like. It turned out he was using me to make his ex jelous. He broke up with me saying he still wanted to be friends and we would still hang out. I havent seen him since

[Steeleon]

Girls make me uncomfortable...

My first girlfriend was in the 8th grade. I don't think it could have really been qualified as going out. Better put, it was puppy love. We held hands and hugged alot etc. Then there was the night of the bonfire. The night I would get my first kiss. It sucked. Everyone was telling us we should kiss. When we finally did it was in the dark and we couldn't see each others faces and we practically missed our lips. I twas awkward and didn't feel right. Soon after we would break up...

But no big deal. I don't even count it.