Pokemon Special Favorite Villain disscussion thread

[Akio123]

I decided since ther was a favorite charecter thread for every other charecter in Pokemon Special, I decided to make one for Favorite villain. My favorite villain is Karen, since I belive she is just so cool. I alos like Giovanni since he is Silver's dad and he has the best pokemon. Also, he is the only villain with true evil purposes.

[Kyoki]

Hmmm...I like Giovanni because he is very smart in the way of pokemon battling, and because he has powerful pokemon. Also, he is the leader of Team Rocket and Silver's father.

[nicoleb]

Well, since Wataru-sama isn't really a villain anymore... I like Mack (or, as Coronis insists on putting it, Hank). Why the hell isn't he on the list? O_o

[BonzaiMudkip]

let's see...i like,all the leaders of each team.There all evil and reasons i can't remember,but i know i like mask of ice cause he's the evilest guy in my list,and cause he abducts chidren in the past.And Geovonni,he's ok.Archie and Maxie too cause i still can't believe they controlled kyogre & groudon.(did they do that?cause my memory's kinda hazy)So,yea,i like every leader of any team.

[Pro_EV]

...okay, who's Ryu?

*Points at Hokage*

Likey likey!

[Maxim]

I have a question. Who are Tabitha, Shelly, Matts, Sean, Ryu, Shum, Cart and Courtney? And Where are Magma and Aqua Admins, Charmaine, Keane, Al from TR Trio and Saki, Ouka and Chakura?! And Wataru?!

[Pro_EV]

I have a question. Who are Tabitha, Shelly, Matts, Sean, Ryu, Shum, Cart and Courtney? And Where are Magma and Aqua Admins, Charmaine, Keane, Al from TR Trio and Saki, Ouka and Chakura?! And Wataru?!

Ookay...

Tabitha- Team Magma Firehead
Shelly- Team Aqua SSS
Matts- Or in other words, Matt. Team Aqua SSS
Sean- Team Aqua SSS
Ryu- Dunno
Shum- One of The Mask of Ice's direct suboordinates, one of Ho-oh's children
Shum- The second of Mask of Ice's direct suboordinates, one of Ho-oh's children.
Courtney- Like the game, duh! Team Magma Firehead

Heh? Who are the other guys?

Wataru? Read for goodness's sake!

Well, since Wataru-sama isn't really a villain anymore... I like Mack (or, as Coronis insists on putting it, Hank). Why the hell isn't he on the list? O_o

See? Oh, and for reference, the Fireheads and the SSS are actually just a trio of Team Magma/Aqua admins

[Maxim]

Ookay...

Tabitha- Team Magma Firehead
Shelly- Team Aqua SSS
Matts- Or in other words, Matt. Team Aqua SSS
Sean- Team Aqua SSS
Ryu- Dunno
Shum- One of The Mask of Ice's direct suboordinates, one of Ho-oh's children
Shum- The second of Mask of Ice's direct suboordinates, one of Ho-oh's children.
Courtney- Like the game, duh! Team Magma Firehead

Heh? Who are the other guys?

Wataru? Read for goodness's sake!



See? Oh, and for reference, the Fireheads and the SSS are actually just a trio of Team Magma/Aqua admins

WTF?! Aqua Adimins are called Angie, Amber and Ark not Shelly, Matts and Sean.
Magma admins are called Marge and Mitch not Tabitha and Courtney
And WHERE IS MACK?!
And You Say that some guys called Shum and Cart are Neo team Rocket Admins. Hmmm.... Didn't you mean Charmaine and Keane?!
And about Ryu. I think it's mistake. Japanese name of Al is Ryou and I think creator of this thread simply mistaken.

[Ridley-X4]

Yeah! He's right! But only in the Singaporean version...

Coronis' names are the names he guess would be the American names, even though they would never be used.....

Oh, and I like Angie.

[Pro_EV]

...bleah... not as if I care. Hmmm... Singapore isn't very good at this name translating thing. Everyone knows the orange poofy haired admin in Team Aqua is Shelly...

[Ridley-X4]

Yeah, in America! In Japan, it's Izumi.

[Hinoshi-chan]

giovanni hands down, i like silver thats why, and I love the connection between them two

and Gio-kun is one evil person
I love meowths lil day dreams about him xD

[Karasuma]

You didn't post these two? My fave villains are Butch and Cassidy. Although I don't know what the heck happen to those two, they are my favorite. Anybody know what was the last eppy they were shown?

[Kyoki]

You didn't post these two? My fave villains are Butch and Cassidy. Although I don't know what the heck happen to those two, they are my favorite. Anybody know what was the last eppy they were shown?

Excuse me but, isn't this the Pokemon Special favorite villain thread? This does not include villains from the anime.

[Akio123]

WTF?! Aqua Adimins are called Angie, Amber and Ark not Shelly, Matts and Sean.
Magma admins are called Marge and Mitch not Tabitha and Courtney
And WHERE IS MACK?!
And You Say that some guys called Shum and Cart are Neo team Rocket Admins. Hmmm.... Didn't you mean Charmaine and Keane?!
And about Ryu. I think it's mistake. Japanese name of Al is Ryou and I think creator of this thread simply mistaken.
Listen and listen closely. I am using the Singapore version. We are reading different versions. If you make a comment, realize what you are voting on first.

[Maxim]

Listen and listen closely. I am using the Singapore version. We are reading different versions. If you make a comment, realize what you are voting on first.
I am using the Singapore Version. Names I said (Angie, Ark, Marge etc.) are FROM SINGAPORE VERSION! I don't know where did you get names from Poll.

...bleah... not as if I care. Hmmm... Singapore isn't very good at this name translating thing. Everyone knows the orange poofy haired admin in Team Aqua is Shelly...
SHELLY?! I hear it first time.

[girlgirl936]

I like Giovanni as he is cool and he is Sliver 's Father which is one of my favourite characters.Whoa!!!!!!!

[Akio123]

I am using the Singapore Version. Names I said (Angie, Ark, Marge etc.) are FROM SINGAPORE VERSION! I don't know where did you get names from Poll.


SHELLY?! I hear it first time.
Really, because as far as I know I have been using the same version. Anyway we both know who they are and if not, don't post here.

[Pro_EV]

Feh, you should see the chinese version. All three fireheads are named after their skills

[Akio123]

That is a good idea. ANyway, I was wondering if Giovanni would come back.

[Maxim]

Really, because as far as I know I have been using the same version. Anyway we both know who they are and if not, don't post here.
Now I know who are they. But before I really didn't know who are they. I still wonder where did you get these names. Hoenn Pokemon Special wasn't released in USA and Singapore version uses the name that I posted.

Feh, you should see the chinese version. All three fireheads are named after their skills
Post their names, please.

Anyway my favourite villain is Kyou. He's so cool...
Also Wataru. He's cool in Pokespecial.
I also like Kagari and Izumi from the female villains.
And I like Sabrina ;d

[Akio123]

Sabrina technically is not a villanin anymore.

[Charaxes]

I would say the first threat, the original Rockets would earn my favorite slot. Team Rocket 1.0 not only had a convoluted but deeply intricate master plot, on top of that, they had a backup for their vanguard (Mewtwo) with the next best thing: the Legardary Birds, the powerhouses secondary to Mewtwo at that point. And with their money and ambition had five Gym Leader in their pockets, corruption and manipulation at its finest.

With one of the most powerful Gym Leaders, Sabrina, she was becoming into quite the extension for Giovanni, as the showdown in Silph proved. They certainly were not the joke the anime makes you think they are. That and a lovely pairing for me, makes them the top choice.

Lance/Wataru, while a unique approach with the eco terrorism, wrecked the Champion's image.

The Mask of Ice was simply weird...

Team Aqua, of the two in Hoenn, seems more professional. Working on at a base, with powerful media connections/leads with Archie's status as head of the Hoenn TV station(?) Whereas Maxie and Team Magma are more elusive to stop but also more threadbare and almost disorganized with Maxie's constant moving status. The power base is almost nothing.

Given that, I'd give Team Aqua the number two for at least being more professional and cohesive of the Rocket successors while not being insane (Lance) or convoluted (Mask of Ice).

Silver is Giovanni's son? God, am I out of the loop.

Of course I don't glance at Special spoilers much, so yeah.

[Akio123]

I hope Giovanni comes back eventually.

[Charaxes]

Well, in the recent issues, Giovanni was actually seen at the Sevii (or those islands in FR/LG are) islands, and looking quite sickly. Obviously a new artist who needs some more experience with the older characters, I guess.

He had taken quite the hiatus since Lance, so I'm glad he's back in the game, but for what? Your guess is as good as mine.

[innuendo]

I chose Giovanni. He's great but I prefer Koga ( villain in PS )

[Charaxes]

Koga is interesting in that he's the maverick of the Rockets. He didn't care for the Elite Triad as he and Sabrina had quite the cat and mouse game going, and he and Giovanni had quite the tension, particularly at the end of the Yellow arc when he bolted from them. I think he joined Surge and Sabrina in the Yellow arc as his final obligation to them as he moved on to clearly better things.

But it's also interesting that of the Elite Triad, Koga had the most writing for him as he's had the most interactions with the younger Trainers. It's interesting and even be more interesting if his time with the Rockets could lapse into future criminal behavior.

Oh to dream.

[SubZer0]

Giovanni is absolutely the best. He always has a plan. Hes the type of guy that sees twenty moves ahead when he plays chess and thats how he aproaches life. Not only that but he is responsible for creating MEWTWO which is so awesome. Unfortunately he wasnt able to hold on to him. The only downfall Giovanni has is that he hires some really dumb and incompetent henchmen.

[Akio123]

We are talking about the villains from the Pokemon Special Manga, not the TV show. Pleease read where you are posting before you post here.

[Charaxes]

Actually, Sub-Zero is right in a way. Giovanni in the Special manga, is quite analytical and plots out metriculous battle plans. His true plot with the ferrying of Pokemon throughout Kanto in the first arc, that is more of a chess move, complete with contingenices (Mewtwo bailed, use the next best thing: the three Birds).

The anime version is more, plans as he goes. But the Mewtwo connection makes him more distinctive. The Special one had no time with his bio-weapon (which is why they've corrected this by giving him Deoxys).

The Special's flaw: a little arrogance but more lost due to his rigidity and not adjusting to surprises in the field. He has to be bureaucatic in his approach to plan...almost.

[Akio123]

I guess technically he could have been talking about either, but there is a problem. See technically when he speaks of Giovanni, its soulds as if he were peaking of the first movie. Sorry if you were talking about the manga, but with the statement "lost control of Mewtwo." That really refers to the first movie rather then the manga in which it was more Blaine that lost control of Mewtwo.

[Charaxes]

Indeed, he lost the point. Although you could say he was talking about "losing Mewtwo" in a metaphorical sense as Giovanni needed a backup to Mewtwo for his greatest weapon. But yeah, too many first movie overtones.

And I guess anime with the henchmen, because he had Sabrina, Koga, and Surge. You can't go much wrong with a team like that.

[Ibuberu]

I'd say Courtney(Marge).She kinda rubs off on me in a good way,even though she's evil.And what was she going on about when she was fighting Ruby in Rusturf Tunnel.

I burn everything to soot black crisps.(Or maybe something different,memory lacking.XD)

Pwhe!!That lady has attitude!

[Articuno Power]

Sabrina technically is not a villanin anymore.

What did you say O_o !??????
For me she is a big vilain , she scares me ...
With her powers ... :confused:

[Akio123]

What did you say O_o !??????
For me she is a big vilain , she scares me ...
With her powers ... :confused:
How in anyway is she a villain? I mean she just has powers and that's it. Is it kinda like how Lucy-intimidation or something? I don't get how she is scary at all.

[Charaxes]

How in anyway is she a villain? I mean she just has powers and that's it. Is it kinda like how Lucy-intimidation or something? I don't get how she is scary at all.

She was second in command of Team Rocket with Surge and Koga as the series began. As the showdowns deepen, Sabrina taken over for command: her rank right under Giovanni, (her duties became more high profile, such as spying on Erika) and had command of the Rockets' main weapon: the fusion of the Legendary Birds. Surge and Sabrina tried to resurrect the Rockets without Giovanni's help, (the Boss Rocket ordered them to wait at their gyms while he would train and return) and gave it up for their original jobs as Gym Leaders. I think that's right, but don't quote me if we get to the Johto arc.

Although of the intimidation, she has her edge with the powers. Blue herself acknowledged Sabrina's might as a psychic.

And given her powers and her fright factor, her dark side could always return.

So yes, she's a villain.

[Fls4eva]

I say Courtney or rather Marge.. She's cute.. And she's hot.. in a sense that she can burn everything or anything she wants into crisps.. Whoa.. I just love her attitude..

[Charaxes]

I do agree about the female Firehead. She certainly has a flair and a cuteness to boot with her ambition to burn everything in sight. Whereas Sabrina is more dark attraction and the gothic bent.

I have to admit, when she's battle damaged, she does have more of a sexiness. Not quite to Sabrina's level, but quite close.

[Akio123]

She was second in command of Team Rocket with Surge and Koga as the series began. As the showdowns deepen, Sabrina taken over for command: her rank right under Giovanni, (her duties became more high profile, such as spying on Erika) and had command of the Rockets' main weapon: the fusion of the Legendary Birds. Surge and Sabrina tried to resurrect the Rockets without Giovanni's help, (the Boss Rocket ordered them to wait at their gyms while he would train and return) and gave it up for their original jobs as Gym Leaders. I think that's right, but don't quote me if we get to the Johto arc.

Although of the intimidation, she has her edge with the powers. Blue herself acknowledged Sabrina's might as a psychic.

And given her powers and her fright factor, her dark side could always return.

So yes, she's a villain.
No, she was first as you can see no longer a Tem Rocket Elite member. Secondly, I don't quite think that she really knew the remifications of what she was doing when they (as in her and the original TR) created Zapmolcuno (The fusion of The Legendary birds). I mean she obviously became good when she wanted to help Yellow and the rest of the heroes save Red. Also, she went back to her job as a reguler good gymleader. She is not a villain. She has truly repented for her horrible acts. Don't you think?

[Charaxes]

No, she was first as you can see no longer a Tem Rocket Elite member. Secondly, I don't quite think that she really knew the remifications of what she was doing when they (as in her and the original TR) created Zapmolcuno (The fusion of The Legendary birds). I mean she obviously became good when she wanted to help Yellow and the rest of the heroes save Red. Also, she went back to her job as a reguler good gymleader. She is not a villain. She has truly repented for her horrible acts. Don't you think?

I think...she'd be more anti hero currently. She doesn't embrace the ideals like her counterpart, Erika would. She'll always seem to have that dark edge to her. I think if given the right motivation, she can switch back to the Rocket side of her, as she had the time of her life as a Rocket. See her with the Zapmolwhoosits, she [I]knew[I] what she was doing and found an outlet for her emotions (particularly as she had that crush on Giovanni. Had to come from somewhere).

I think with her, she might see her time as a Rocket as her rebellious side, her teenager phase if you will and yes, moved on but she doesn't have the redemption mixed with contemplation that Blaine embodies or contempt (Koga) with that aspect of her past. But I don't read the current issues so I could be wrong.

So given her harshness, too much of an anti hero, which is close to be villain for my tastes. After reading so many American comics, I'd like to think my radar is more honed for labels.

But it doesn't mean I'm right all the time either. Just call it as I see it.

[Akio123]

Alright, you realize that not all the gymleader have to be like Erika or Mitsy to be good. I mean we are not disscussing the anti-hero. We are disscussing actual villains. Do you honetlt think every gymleader is like Erika. I mean Claire is a perfect example. She is selfish and kinda rude. Sabrina is like that in a sense that doesn't mean that she is a villain. Secondly, you admitly said she seemed to only served Giovanni, because she loved him. If he is no longer truly even apart of it, what motivation does she have? Finally, I think that trying to help save the world in the Yellow saga counts for redemption don't you?

[Charaxes]

I think what I meant to say that with Sabrina, she was a villain in her time with the Rockets, so what I'm going for here, is a captured moment of time and I'm dwelling on her time as a Rocket. Not after (particularly since I don't have access for future offerings in a real way), that should clear up some things.

I think with Sabrina, it wouldn't be hard to turn her back because she had quite the rush as a Rocket, that emotional release she seeks, is the power in the battle and the temptation of being "bad" and the power angle is the most obvious. Check her performance at Silph with the tri bird and then compare her before that to see the range she possesses.

Although yes, with Giovanni out of the way, her reasons quite dampened and the edge went away and then comes the suppression training that makes Sabrina notorious. But that doesn't mean that edge is forever buried. I'm just saying the temptation can exist. Thus to me, she can be a villain more easily than others, hence my wording, in that she's more likely to show more villainous traits than others or more easily.

Plus, we shouldn't forget her feared image as a psychic Gym Leader should we? No doubt Sabrina's feared image would carry there as well. Although that big tour at the beginning (middle, end?) at Johto, obviously she carried that image as far she could, to give her an edge in battle.

And I think the head Rockets' role in Yellow was more self preservation and "what good is a world destroyed" kind of logic. Although the time with Blue might have changed her priorites, so I'll concede that point.

[Akio123]

I just realized another favorite villain I have is Shelly.