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Greed
February 24th, 2004, 04:31 PM
Correct me if the title of the movie is wrong =P

Anyways, there's a movie about Jesus Christ produced by Mel Gibson.

Gibson hopes that this movie will make people see about Jesus's sacrifice to pay for all of our sins. (Which I think is very nice of him to do so, knowing that this darned earth there are so many buttholes roaming around)

But some people think the movie is saying the message that Jews are "Christ-Killers". I think people who think this are taking things TOO darn seriously.

I believe Jesus didn't die because of the Jews. He died because of all of us. He wanted to give us a second chance, and he did. That's my opinion O_o; Yours?

Oh, and I'm gonna see it on Saturday, it comes out at February 25. Can't wait to see it, people say its REALLY good ^_^

*won't die*

DragonTrainer
February 24th, 2004, 04:41 PM
Jesus died for God to forgive everyone's sins

I will see this movie, it looks so awesome!

Maryland
February 24th, 2004, 04:50 PM
What DragonTrainer said...XD

I would really like to see it alot. I've been hearing a lot about it on the radio, and everyone says it's pretty good. Ive heard it's pretty graphic is VERY real, though.

Greed
February 24th, 2004, 04:52 PM
It looks really cool ^_^ Ima use my allowance to see it.

Its Rated-R though o_o; I heard cus it is a bit tad too strong or sumthing *shrugs*

I'm searching for more information about it on Yahoo!
Oh! I found some info..

http://us.ent4.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/newmarket/the_passion_of_the

2 hrs. 15 min. This film tells the story of the last 12 hours in the life of Jesus (Caviezel), on the day of his crucifixion in Jerusalem. This film's script is based upon several sources, including the diaries of St. Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824) as collected in the book, "The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ", "The Mystical City of God" by St. Mary of Agreda, and the New Testament books of John, Luke, Mark and Matthew.
Release Date: February 25th, 2004 .
MPAA Rating: R for sequences of graphic violence.
Distributor: Newmarket Film Group

Chicago Sun-Times, Roger Ebert
"I was moved by the depth of feeling, by the skill of the actors and technicians, by their desire to see this project through no matter what."

Chicago Tribune, Michael Wilmington
"...a passionate but gruesomely physical picture."

filmcritic.com, Sean O'Connell
"...an exquisite spiritual masterpiece..."

The ratings are good so far! I can't wait ^_^

Maryland
February 24th, 2004, 04:58 PM
my mom says I should see it WITH her. Heh. She really wants to see it though. It looks pretty good for a grusome(sp?) movie. Heck, it may make more gross than Titanic did. IMO atleast...

Kairi
February 24th, 2004, 05:10 PM
Its really, really, really gory DT, I hope you can handle it. =\ Its The Passion of The Christ BTW. ^_^;

Roxas
February 24th, 2004, 05:53 PM
My mum's rather interested in seeing it. I just think it's going to be rather controversial... Heh, I overused 'rather.' But I thought the name of the movie was The Passions of the Christ, with an 's' rather than a singular name.

There'll be nudity most likely, sexual insinuations, cursing, and blood... Lots of blood. I don't plan to see it.

Blaine
February 24th, 2004, 06:01 PM
hm...i might see it. sound very interesting. but what i dont like, is that mel gibson's father is saying alot of stuff that has nothing to do with Mel and the movie, but people are putting him in this all of a sudden. i heared this stuff on the news.....

anyways, it sound like it's good. especially since it must have lots of blood. :laugh: but, seriousely, it sounds like a deep movie.


BTW, Oro?

Roxas
February 24th, 2004, 06:14 PM
Blood isn't so appealing to me... Yuck... But what do ya'll think of the religionism that's obviously in the movie?

Dizzy
February 24th, 2004, 07:10 PM
My Whole Family ( and I'm talkin not just my mom but everyone and thats like..3 543759874594375 people) wants to see this movie lol... I wanna see it :)

Arcanine
February 24th, 2004, 09:01 PM
I want to see it (theater or DVD). Around here churches is renting out the whole theater so the church members can all go see it. They say the pre-sells to this movie is only second to Lord of the Rings: Return of the King.

Sayuri no Hoshi
February 25th, 2004, 12:17 PM
I heard that Mel Gibson was trying to depict that the Romans actually killed Jesus, not the Jews. Well, at least that's what my Dad gathered from the news...O_o;

Teara
February 25th, 2004, 12:44 PM
One of my friend's goes to a church that's showing it soon. I think I'll probably go see it there. I have no problem with blood...in movies anyways-___-

Shining Arcanine
February 25th, 2004, 01:10 PM
CaRtoon, please reduce your signature size, it takes up to much of my screen vertically.

Anyway, it is what happened. If people have a problem with that, then they can blame the snake (one guess who he was... btw, don't answer that) who talked Eve into eating the Apple from the Tree of Knowledge and unite with God against him (do not sin for the rest of your existance, that includes after death).

Cherrim
February 25th, 2004, 01:20 PM
._. We can sin after death? *shrugs as she didn't understand the above post*

I'll almost indefinitely go see this. o.o; In fact, my school is trying to see if the people who are taking Religion this semester can go see it as an excursion. Sadly, I took Religion last semester, but I'd still like to see it. Even if I don't really believe in it, I think it'll be a good movie to have seen anyway.

@_@ I bet my mom'll be too lazy to take me, though.

Ryoutarou
February 25th, 2004, 01:53 PM
I saw The Passion about four hours ago, and it still has quite a hold on me. If you want to get underneath it all, you can judge the filming, the script, the acting, etc. But this is one film I don't think I'll ever do it with. If you're a film major or the like, I could understand taking this film apart and looking at it from different angles. But this movie was produced for an emotional response, not a technical one.
When the movie ended, everyone was quiet, and no one left the theater until the end of the credits. Everyone was quiet as they left the theater too, until they got to the Lobby wherein they begin to discuss it among friends and family.
It is really that sort of movie. You do not clap for this movie, but you may very well pray and/or cry at its end.
This is probably the most emotional, heart-wrenching, and horrifying film I have yet to see. It is quite graphic, very brutal in fact in some areas, from when Jesus is being whipped to when he is being nailed on the cross. I could hear people crying or making sounds of anguish around me. I cried myself and had to close my eyes from time to time when the graphic nature of the film became a bit too hard, a bit too real, to take. It is truly a hard thing to sit through comfortably.
The Passion is the sort of film that may shake your religion foundations roughly, depending on your own personal experiences and relationship with God and Jesus. I know it touched everyone in that theater in a uniquely different way.
For a Rated R movie I, along with those accompanying me, were shocked that some families had brought young children with them. For some people, they feel this is something everyone should experience, no matter the age. But from a general standpoint, most people couldn't believe anyone under 16 saw this film....they just could understand how anyone younger than that could possibly deal with this film's content. Heck, I knew some 23 year olds who had a hard time with the film and they were shocked that someone as young as 9 had seen the same movie.
I was really touched with seeing The Passion, and I can imagine that a lot of people are grateful for Mel Gibson having this put onto the big screen. It's the sort of film that will make money (all the theaters in our area are already sold out to Saturday), but it was definitely not made for that singular purpose - which may make it that more meaningful. It was done for the people, for all believers in Christ, and it was great to see groups of friends and family's going in to see it together.

I'm 16 and i still cant belive i saw it twice.

Imakuni?
February 25th, 2004, 02:40 PM
the people across the street from me... they own a church and the rented the whole theater and im goin to see it in like... an hour...
~BOO YA! XD

Imakuni?
February 25th, 2004, 06:43 PM
I just got back... i am sooooo disturbed at the brutality... i never thought anyone could be sooo mean! that movie was ... please noone go see this... it is soo disturbing! i know it really happened but i was soo sad after it happened... sorry for the dp... nm

John Denver
February 25th, 2004, 07:27 PM
no need to double post Imaku-

WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY!?!?!?

(breathe)

Well anywho, on the movie, I heard that a a lot of jewish people gathered around and said that the movie portrayed jewish people as a bad....uh duuuurrr! That's what actually happened, durr!

foolish little guys

BOO ya! and a HA!

Imakuni?
February 26th, 2004, 03:51 AM
I KNOW THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED! There was nothing wrong with that movie... It was a true story i just dont like extreme violence. it was the saddest movie i have seen... people never take small children to this movie

Kayleigh
February 26th, 2004, 09:02 AM
Okay, enough with the caps guys. O_o It makes it look like you're virtually yelling at someone, and.. that didn't make sense.

Anyways, I'm going sometime with my mom to see it. I've heard the same things that blue explained, about it showing a lot of blood and being very brutal. It looks like a very deep movie, and I've heard that it's saved a lot of people. I'm already a Christian, but I've heard a lot of other ones talking about how good of a movie this is.

Greed
February 26th, 2004, 02:39 PM
There'll be nudity most likely, sexual insinuations, cursing, and blood... Lots of blood. I don't plan to see it.

I heard the movie's rated R only for graphic scenes O_o;;

I heard that Mel Gibson was trying to depict that the Romans actually killed Jesus, not the Jews. Well, at least that's what my Dad gathered from the news...O_o;
Its really only like that if the Jews make it that way ^^; They take the movie too seriously =P They (the sarcastic ones) should get a life..

I saw The Passion about four hours ago, and it still has quite a hold on me. If you want to get underneath it all, you can judge the filming, the script, the acting, etc. But this is one film I don't think I'll ever do it with. If you're a film major or the like, I could understand taking this film apart and looking at it from different angles. But this movie was produced for an emotional response, not a technical one.
I heard about it just like you said it on the radio. I really wanna see it, and a lot of people in my family want to too ^_^ I really hope its like they say. I heard Mel Gibson put all of his money on the film, but he says he didn't do it for fame, but to make people realize Christ's sacrifice ;-;

Heres more stuff I found out from Yahoo!

Audience: 17 and up
MPAA Rating: R for sequences of graphic violence.
Profanity: None
Nudity/Sex None
Alcohol/Drugs: None
Violence/Scariness: Extremely graphic and intense violence, including whipping and crucifixion
Diversity Issues: A theme of the movie; some may be sensitive about the portrayal of Jewish elders


See? No sex or nudity. I'm glad ^_^

The Official "Passion of The Christ" Website (http://www.thepassionofthechrist.com/)

I got this information from this website...
Yahoo! Info on "Passion of the Christ" (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/movies/info/lnav/moviemain/?http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1808434070&cf=info)

Here's some pictures the movie..

http://us.ent3.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/newmarket/the_passion_of_the_christ/_group_photos/maia_morgenstern5-th.jpg
http://us.ent3.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/newmarket/the_passion_of_the_christ/_group_photos/hristo_jivkov6-th.jpg

http://us.ent3.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/newmarket/the_passion_of_the_christ/passion-th.jpg

http://us.ent3.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/newmarket/the_passion_of_the_christ/passion-th.jpg

WARNING The following picture has blood in it! IF YOU HATE THAT STUFF, DON'T LOOK BELOW!!!!!!



http://us.ent3.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/newmarket/the_passion_of_the_christ/james_caviezel/passion3-th.jpg

http://us.ent3.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/newmarket/the_passion_of_the_christ/james_caviezel/passion2-th.jpg

digi-kun
February 26th, 2004, 03:46 PM
u knwo, i heard(from my social science teacher) that some of the ones(churches) that pushed so hard to get the rating systems(G,PG,PG13,R...) are actually taking the entire church on a "field trip" to see that movie
anyway...his friend is a movie geek and says that it was the bloodiest movie in his life.

JoWood
February 26th, 2004, 04:20 PM
Hmmm, talking about this is going to create some problems. I haven't seen the movie but the violence aint that harsh.
If you've only read a couple of portions in the bible, you'll understand that violence was only half of the struggle for Jesus and his followers.
As 4 the Jewish stuff, I dont think that people would make a movie to offend other religions. I live by Washing D.C. & so far nobody has went crazy.

Shining Arcanine
February 26th, 2004, 04:39 PM
._. We can sin after death? *shrugs as she didn't understand the above post*

I'll almost indefinitely go see this. o.o; In fact, my school is trying to see if the people who are taking Religion this semester can go see it as an excursion. Sadly, I took Religion last semester, but I'd still like to see it. Even if I don't really believe in it, I think it'll be a good movie to have seen anyway.

@_@ I bet my mom'll be too lazy to take me, though.

You didn't hear about the angel that turned against God? Michael the Arcangel fought him (he won). If that doesn't ring a bell, I'll give you another hint, he is the reason heck exists, he also talked Eve into eating the Apple...

John Denver
February 26th, 2004, 05:33 PM
I think this movie is gonna be huge even if it isn't the greatest movie ever...every one will see it out of concious...yep

BOO durr!

Imakuni?
February 27th, 2004, 04:01 AM
mmm, talking about this is going to create some problems. I haven't seen the movie but the violence aint that harsh.
If you've only read a couple of portions in the bible, you'll understand that violence was only half of the struggle for Jesus and his followers.
As 4 the Jewish stuff, I dont think that people would make a movie to offend other religions. I live by Washing D.C. & so far nobody has went crazy. IT HAS EXTREME VIOLENCE dont you listen... sorry but it was that 'harsh'
i have seen it id know

Greed
February 27th, 2004, 10:40 AM
Children these days see things a heck lot worse than Jesus being killer =/ They watch pornography, violent movies, and sensual movies, I think they should see the movie even tho it may be graphic. Its realistic graphic, not violent graphic.

The radio, TV, and my school keep on talkin about it. I'm eager already to see it ^-^

Shining Arcanine
February 27th, 2004, 03:36 PM
You didn't hear about the angel that turned against God? Michael the Arcangel fought him (he won). If that doesn't ring a bell, I'll give you another hint, he is the reason heck exists, he also talked Eve into eating the Apple...
By the way, regarding my previous post, Michael the ArcAngel beat the evil angel whose name I'm not going to post.

Cherrim
February 27th, 2004, 04:48 PM
No, I didn't hear about that, pathetically enough. ._. My religion classes consist mostly of reflections and morals, not specifically on the bible. I only had an interest in reading the bible at the age of 7, so I don't remember any of what I read. *sweatdrop*

I dunno about wanting to see the movie now, though. My english teacher saw it and she said it was really, really gruesome just because it was so realistic and because it's not fiction. People really were crucified back then. ._.; Therefore... I probably wouldn't have the stomach to watch the thing through. I mean, I like gore and stuff in movies, but that's when you know the plot is fictional... not when you've been raised on it. (Even though I don't really believe, it's still... unnerving.)

Arcanine
February 27th, 2004, 05:43 PM
Every one says this movie was violent. Well what they did to Jesus in the bible was a lot more violent then what they did in the movie.
And there is a lot more movies out there that has a lot more violence in it.

Shining Arcanine
February 27th, 2004, 05:44 PM
The truth hurts, doesn't it? When I see the movie in a few days, it will hurt and I know it. Knowing that Jesus suffered and died to save me hurts.

Greed
February 27th, 2004, 06:14 PM
Every one says this movie was violent. Well what they did to Jesus in the bible was a lot more violent then what they did in the movie.
And there is a lot more movies out there that has a lot more violence in it.

I agree. So why should so many parents be so concerned about their children seeing it? Heck, the movi Titanic had nudity and sex, so what's so wrong about Passion of the Christ?

The truth hurts, doesn't it? When I see the movie in a few days, it will hurt and I know it. Knowing that Jesus suffered and died to save me hurts.
Agreed too. What stinks is that so many people are so ungrateful.. =/

jirachi_pt
February 27th, 2004, 08:29 PM
I need ta go c it. I think it's about time something like this has come out in the middle of some of the worst times. So much bad stuff in the news (war, gay marriges, ect.).

Imakuni?
February 28th, 2004, 05:03 AM
i know it is like a drink of water in the sahara refreshing all who see its belief in god and in jesus and his struggle. i felt refreshed and disturbed after the movie. refreshed at what he did for all of us and disturbed at how some people treated him.

Greed
February 28th, 2004, 07:56 PM
*sighs* I just saw the movie today.. I believe it is one of the most emotional and beautiful movies of all time.. Its so brave of Jesus to have gone through all that suffering just to save us, the animals that treated him so bad. It was graphic, but every time they mistreated him, it made me cry.. ;-;

I cried at the part where Mary has a flashback of little kid Jesus tripping, and she coming to his aid.. It really made me cry a lot, I mean, Mary is such a strong woman to endure that pain of seeing her son suffering. ;-;

Anyways, after it ended, me and my family just sat there for five minutes and left the theater. Me and my mum sobbed like crazy while my lil bro just stayed quiet the whole time. Such a touching movie. I recommend anyone to see it *possibly except small children* Very very very very good movie. ^-^

Teara
February 28th, 2004, 08:28 PM
I just saw the movie this morning with a couple of my friends...It was sooooooo deep. It excellent though! I'm with you Cartoon, everyone but really little kids should see it...and they should see it once their older. The part that really got me was when Mary had to leave while watching Jesus being whiped. I can't begin to imagine what it must have been like to have to watch your son in so much pain, especially someone that wants so badly to help others. The gore wasn't what got to me, rather the thought of the pain he felt made me have to look away. When my parents go to see it I think I'll go again.

Greed
February 28th, 2004, 08:34 PM
Oh yes, hardly any mother ca resist that, to see their kid beaten.. And yes, the gore didn't got to me either.. Just the pain on Jesus's face.. Poor dude, suffering all that for us.. I feel pretty grateful now ^-^ I agree with you, Teara

Kenny_C.002
February 28th, 2004, 08:44 PM
Yeah. I've heard it's a very powerful film that has made it into the movies for a very long time. This, IMO, is also the MOST personal film that one could watch (all of the responses to this film are unique). And it is because of this idea, I do not recommend anyone to go see it or not go see it, but rather let the person go see it if they so desire.

As a non-Christian, I see this as more of a historical POV than a religious POV. So my response will not have anything about "him saving us" or anything like that, but more of a historical "how can the Romans/Jewish community in general do such a thing?".

It's also a very good opurtunity to be exposed to the Latin language, so I think I might actually go see it (from a historic POV thank you).

Personal responses:

My Latin teacher: loved it (she's a mother and a very religious person in general)
Her husband: hated it
Another teacher (went with my Latin teacher): loved it
that teacher's date: hated it

*my post does not intend to offend anyone. If I did, sorry. I'm also not planning to change my religion (to those who are offended), so please don't flame me religiously. I've seen that too many times.*

Teara
February 28th, 2004, 08:48 PM
Oh yes, hardly any mother ca resist that, to see their kid beaten.. And yes, the gore didn't got to me either.. Just the pain on Jesus's face.. Poor dude, suffering all that for us.. I feel pretty grateful now ^-^ I agree with you, Teara
eheh, I don't think I've ever heard Jesus called a dude...l83
^_^ But, yeah, I'm defanetaly gratefull now. I think anyone that sees it, even really obnoxious people have to stop and think about what's been sacraficed for em.
BTW Did anyone that saw the movie think they spent a little too much time on the dead donky about half way through the movie? The one shown just before the hanging? I think they worked too hard on it and had the camera on it for about 5 seconds tooooooo long...maggots coming out of eye socets don't blow over me well@,@

Greed
February 28th, 2004, 09:17 PM
XD I just call anyone dude. I once saw this Jesus movie, but everyone was hippies O_o;

The donkey scene was meant to tempt Judas to suicide, I believe. Or probably was because Satan was making Judas believe his soul was rotten, just like the donkey's body. Satan wants to make us do bad stuff so he can claim our souls, luckily, Jesus gave us the chance to be forgiven.

Tempest
February 29th, 2004, 04:24 AM
I really want to go and see this film when it's out in the UK. My mum won't see it because of the reviews and I don't think any of my mates will except for one because they all think it's just fiction, and to be 100% honest I'm not too sure what I believe at the moment either, because I've been Pagan for the last year and I've recently become very interested in Christianity and started reading the new testament last Wednesday, I also had a very strange dream about speaking in tongues but I didn't know what that was till Friday when I asked my Religious Studies teacher. I think that seeing the film will be a really good experience though.

Michelle x

Sayuri no Hoshi
February 29th, 2004, 06:03 AM
What I'm about to say doesn't really relate too much to the movie. I always go off topic, lol. There's a statue inside of a Catholic church in Medford, Massachusetts, a town near where I live, of Mary crying. This had never happened before up until maybe close to 3 or 4 days ago...I think when the Christ movie came to theaters. There's been talk on the news and radio about how she's probably crying because the movie The Passion of Christ depicts the true story of how Jesus was killed. The woman that painted the statue of Mary with her daughter went on a local radio station to talk about it and she commented about how the Catholic religion is based on signs. She's right and the statue is going to be investigated further to see if there was any moisture built up inside of it to cause the "tears" trickling down Mary's face. If there's no scientific explanation for it...then it just has to have a religious, spiritual meaning behind it.

latiosspud
February 29th, 2004, 07:30 AM
I really want to see this movie but my parents won't let me because according to them, the movie is fake and very violent.

latios tamer
February 29th, 2004, 06:22 PM
i would never see that in my life, not because it is gory but because it makes the jews look like a bunch of wild animals who have no care for anyone. in fact, did you know that jesus was jewish, and ontop of that the jews never killed jesus anyway

Teara
February 29th, 2004, 06:28 PM
i would never see that in my life, not because it is gory but because it makes the jews look like a bunch of wild animals who have no care for anyone. in fact, did you know that jesus was jewish, and ontop of that the jews never killed jesus anyway
To me it seemed as though the movie quite evenly balanced the Romans and the Jews brutality. I'm sure Mel Gibson tried his best not to start a religous war so he made sure not to make either side too careless...or that's how it looked to me at least>,<

sdp
March 1st, 2004, 06:08 PM
This movie is nothing but shock value to get people talking about it.
It was ok, too bad they did it all for the shock.

John Denver
March 2nd, 2004, 08:58 AM
Umm, I dun think Gibson did it just for Shock value there buddy...it has a deeper meaning...cause nowadays peopel are like...

"He was beat up, died on the cross blah blah blah..."

And no one takes into account that he actually went through all that and probably worse...I knwo that movie is gonna kill at the oscars..

that's how it's BOO ya!

Greed
March 2nd, 2004, 10:50 AM
i would never see that in my life, not because it is gory but because it makes the jews look like a bunch of wild animals who have no care for anyone. in fact, did you know that jesus was jewish, and ontop of that the jews never killed jesus anyway

I don't think Gibson did the movie to get back at Jews. If he did, he'd be offending Jesus too *since he's Jewish*

So many other movies came out for that, and some were a lot worse. One movie was about Jesus being a womanizer >__<;; The other one of him being a homosexual. I have nothing against homosexuality *hey, you all know me* but God made a man and a woman to fit together, I doubt Jesus would disobey his father's rules. ^^;

This movie is nothing but shock value to get people talking about it.
It was ok, too bad they did it all for the shock.

No it wasn't. It was to get people thinking. Especially sinners, to let them know that a brave man suffered so that his father would forgive us. I doubt Mr. Gibson did that, this is his first directed movie, I would say that if his career was going down as a director. Then that'd probably be a reason. But for shock? No. Thinking? Making you feel bad for your sins? Yes.

I find it hard to believe when people say, "its just a movie/shock" I mean, does anyone think its just a movie when a man gets beaten to death for us? I don't think so =/

BTW: Yes, I spelled the title wrong, sorry dudes ^_^;;

*explodes*

Teara
March 2nd, 2004, 02:23 PM
I saw this movie on Saturday with Teara and another one of my friends. I cried through so much of it, Of course Teara's eyes waterd and my other friend cried a little but it was very little compared to me. It was so sad, I always knew that happend but I have never actually pictured it. It really puts life into perspective, I think so anyways...I really hope I didn't offend anyone, if I did so please tell me and I'll delete this right away.

sdp
March 2nd, 2004, 05:14 PM
Hate to break it to you but millions of people were tortured like that or worse during the Roman Empire.

Chairman Kaga
March 3rd, 2004, 04:58 PM
Technically, only a small fraction of those abused by the roman empire were crucified, and at that, this is Jesus we're talking about...believer or non-believer, it's still a disturbing thought to imagine the Son of God being mocked, tortured, and executed by the people who he cared for so incredibly much.

I really, really want to see The Passion of The Christ. It's coming to the local theater soon so I'm excited that I might be able to go. The people who claim that this film is antisemetic are just looking to pick a fight with the faithful. The Jews didn't kill Jesus, the Romans didn't kill Jesus. It was all of mankind who is responsible for his death, not one individual faction. I wish people would just realize that this is a movie that is trying to give a realistic portrayal of the final hours of Christ before the crucifixion...I'm glad that people aren't desensitized to this type of violence...it shows that people still have a heart and the ability to feel Christ's pain and the overwhelming guilt knowing that mankind did this to him. This movie is about his pain, his devotion to mankind, his Passion, as the title of the movie states. I recommend it to everyone although I haven't watched it yet. It's the one film out that can change lives for the better. I can't wait to experience this film...it's going to be awe-inspiring to say the least.

Imakuni?
March 3rd, 2004, 06:16 PM
that movie mad me almost cry it is touching and emotional

sdp
March 3rd, 2004, 07:11 PM
Technically, only a small fraction of those abused by the roman empire were crucified, and at that, this is Jesus we're talking about...believer or non-believer, it's still a disturbing thought to imagine the Son of God being mocked, tortured, and executed by the people who he cared for so incredibly much.

I really, really want to see The Passion of The Christ. It's coming to the local theater soon so I'm excited that I might be able to go. The people who claim that this film is antisemetic are just looking to pick a fight with the faithful. The Jews didn't kill Jesus, the Romans didn't kill Jesus. It was all of mankind who is responsible for his death, not one individual faction. I wish people would just realize that this is a movie that is trying to give a realistic portrayal of the final hours of Christ before the crucifixion...I'm glad that people aren't desensitized to this type of violence...it shows that people still have a heart and the ability to feel Christ's pain and the overwhelming guilt knowing that mankind did this to him. This movie is about his pain, his devotion to mankind, his Passion, as the title of the movie states. I recommend it to everyone although I haven't watched it yet. It's the one film out that can change lives for the better. I can't wait to experience this film...it's going to be awe-inspiring to say the least.
It is a good movie.
Realistic?
not very, they over do the torture, the cgi and devil scenes most defenately not realistic. and the biggest mistake, Jesus is played by a white man.

btw you contradict yourself when you talk about even if you are a non-beleiver you have to realize he died for us?(wtf?) if you are a non-beleiver you don't.

And actually the crucifiction was very popular at that time.

And if you haven't seen the movie, i highly recommend you to not see it unless you have a strong stomach. I know a lot of people that got sick watching it. just a little tip.

Kenny_C.002
March 3rd, 2004, 07:58 PM
Yeah. Many people thought there was too much violence in it that even the adults were having trouble with their stomach at times. So it's something to take into consideration.

bna_li
March 3rd, 2004, 08:14 PM
By the way, regarding my previous post, Michael the ArcAngel beat the evil angel whose name I'm not going to post.
Lucifer. Yeah, he wanted to be God himself. Satan, he is now called. Why not, though?

silverfrost
March 3rd, 2004, 10:22 PM
Hm, yeah. I actually felt quite nauseous through certain parts, and normally I can handle nearly everything. It was emotionally draining overall. However, it left quite an impression on me despite the fact that I'm not religious.

John Denver
March 5th, 2004, 05:30 AM
My mom's been throught doctor school and she brought her crap home with her, so I have a very strong stomach.

It wasn't the pain that was the burden on jesus, it was more the burden of every sin he had to bear...And none of us really know what jesus looked like SDP. He could have been white or black or tan or bald, it doesn't really matter...

yeah drop the BOO ya!

Chairman Kaga
March 5th, 2004, 12:38 PM
I'm most certainly not contradicting myself, but then again, all sentences ever written have been open to interpretation...to quote the sentence in question:

"...believer or non-believer, it's still a disturbing thought to imagine the Son of God being mocked, tortured, and executed by the people who he cared for so incredibly much."

I meant to say that it can still be a powerful story to those who don't believe in God. If something had to be true to be a powerful story than no movie out there would ever affect people.

And I must say that I don't think that the violence could be overdone...people just aren't used to seeing such realistic violence. I was horrified when I first saw Gangs of New York because the violence was the most realistic I'd ever seen.

And you're right, Jesus couldn't have been white. He was likely rather dark-skinned like most people in that part of the Roman Empire 2000 years ago.

I still hope to see the movie...I'm not sure when it's coming to the theater. If anything I'll bet it's a cinematic masterpiece. No matter how much I think I'd be prepared for the gore I know I could never be...a lot of the things in that movie are likely too horrifying to watch. It's not gore for the sake of gore, though. I know that at least.

Greed
March 5th, 2004, 04:15 PM
Hm, yeah. I actually felt quite nauseous through certain parts, and normally I can handle nearly everything. It was emotionally draining overall. However, it left quite an impression on me despite the fact that I'm not religious.

I'm not so religious myself, and I got very impressed by it too =D

...And none of us really know what jesus looked like SDP. He could have been white or black or tan or bald, it doesn't really matter...

Hmmm.. You're right, the race doesn't matter.. Besides, it doesn't say on the Bible what his race was. Maybe it was meant to prevent people of certain races to believe they were superior.

"...believer or non-believer, it's still a disturbing thought to imagine the Son of God being mocked, tortured, and executed by the people who he cared for so incredibly much."

I meant to say that it can still be a powerful story to those who don't believe in God. If something had to be true to be a powerful story than no movie out there would ever affect people.

True, true. Makes them feel sorry for the sorry things they've done. And maybe even question their own sins.

I just heard on the radio, that Mel Gibson invested 30,000,0000 dollars on the movie. The movie alone got 90,000,000 dollars. Phew! I guess that hard work really paid off O_O;

Teara
March 5th, 2004, 04:31 PM
Yeah. Many people thought there was too much violence in it that even the adults were having trouble with their stomach at times. So it's something to take into consideration.
I never seem to have problems with my stomache at movies, no matter how gory...although I did have to look away when they nailed Jesus to the cross, that wouldn't have made me sick, it just would have scard me for life :cross-eye My mom refuses to go see it untill it comes out on video so she can leave the room if it gets too gory-_- Like I said before, it's not so much the gore, but the thought of his pain;.;

Greed
March 5th, 2004, 05:02 PM
I never seem to have problems with my stomache at movies, no matter how gory...although I did have to look away when they nailed Jesus to the cross, that wouldn't have made me sick, it just would have scard me for life :cross-eye My mom refuses to go see it untill it comes out on video so she can leave the room if it gets too gory-_- Like I said before, it's not so much the gore, but the thought of his pain;.;
Exactly, heck, I didn't pay attention to the blood. The pain he went through mattered.. What? Did yall think they just whipped him without hurting him so much and he just died? Heck no, they made him go through heck.

And The Enemy was always watcing hoping Jesus would give up, and not complete his porpuse. *by the enemy, I mean satan, I just don't like typing or saying his name..*

If anyone pays attention to the gore, then it'll appear like a movie. If you pay attention to the pain, then it'll be worth it.

silverfrost
March 5th, 2004, 05:27 PM
Exactly, heck, I didn't pay attention to the blood. The pain he went through mattered.. What? Did yall think they just whipped him without hurting him so much and he just died? Heck no, they made him go through heck.

And The Enemy was always watcing hoping Jesus would give up, and not complete his porpuse. *by the enemy, I mean satan, I just don't like typing or saying his name..*

If anyone pays attention to the gore, then it'll appear like a movie. If you pay attention to the pain, then it'll be worth it.

Yes, I agree with that. It wasn't the gore that affected me, but the fact that he went through all that pain for what proclaiming himself as the son of god. It was one of those movies that I simply could not stop thinking about afterwards.

PM2008
March 5th, 2004, 05:31 PM
Who cares it is just a movie, I don't care. I don't like people who complain about the dumbest things. :laugh:

Teara
March 5th, 2004, 05:37 PM
Who cares it is just a movie, I don't care. I don't like people who complain about the dumbest things. :laugh:
Complaining? We arn't complaining. We're just dizzcuzing the movie, did you even go to zee it? If you did I find it hard to belive you're talking about it like that.

Greed
March 5th, 2004, 05:43 PM
Who cares it is just a movie, I don't care. I don't like people who complain about the dumbest things. :laugh:
Dude, its okay to say you didn't like it.. But please restrain from saying it was DUMB...some of us don't think its a DUMB movie, okay? By saying this, you may be insulting Jesus' sacrifice... If you don't have nothing nice to say, get out of here, got it? It touched a bunch of people, and like Teara said, I cannot believe you said that. *points to door* Out..

silverfrost
March 5th, 2004, 05:47 PM
Who cares it is just a movie, I don't care. I don't like people who complain about the dumbest things. :laugh:

Erm... No one was complaining. x_x; Plus, it's a very controversial subject so we all have the right to discuss it like so...

Greed
March 5th, 2004, 05:51 PM
Oh yeah, and I was gonna mention.. Yes, we're discussing.. And like I said before.. DO NOT say it was a dumb movie, just say you dislike it. By saying that, you are asking for a fight. And you all PC members know I do not like fights cus I always seem to just fan the flames of war =/ So please, PM2008, do not ask for one. Just leave us alone, and go into your own little world. We don't want this thread closed because of you..

So, please no asking for flame wars. Let's just move on.

Teara
March 5th, 2004, 05:55 PM
Oh yeah, and I was gonna mention.. Yes, we're discussing.. And like I said before.. DO NOT say it was a dumb movie, just say you dislike it. By saying that, you are asking for a fight. And you all PC members know I do not like fights cus I always seem to just fan the flames of war =/ So please, PM2008, do not ask for one. Just leave us alone, and go into your own little world. We don't want this thread closed because of you..

So, please no asking for flame wars. Let's just move on.
Couldn't have zaid it better myzelf!
Mehehe, I'm juzt looking for reazonz to zhow off my new trade mark^_-
But yeah, zaying zomething like that about a religiouz movie iz zorta azkin for a flame war>,<

silverfrost
March 5th, 2004, 06:03 PM
Couldn't have zaid it better myzelf!
Mehehe, I'm juzt looking for reazonz to zhow off my new trade mark^_-
But yeah, zaying zomething like that about a religiouz movie iz zorta azkin for a flame war>,<

Yep. =/ Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but there's no need to be so harsh.

Greed
March 5th, 2004, 06:06 PM
Yeah, that's asking for a war. I mean, this offends people who really got touched by the movie. And it really meant something. So, if he comes here, he better be sorry =/

And like I said, I'm a flame war type of person. Whenever people tick me off, I fight, end of story =P

Anyways, I didn't knew the Lucifer thing existed..

Jinona
March 5th, 2004, 06:54 PM
You guys that got to see it are lucky I go to a christian school and almost the entire school has seen it and said it was very very good but got pretty nasty at some points I so want to see it. the amazeing thing was about 6 or 7 of our schools biggest tough guys (ya know they never cry or anything)went to see The Passion and they all cried after seeing it. My mum won't let me see it cause it's rated R and it can get gory so I have to wait til her and my dad go see it and I endup getting a relay of the movie from them and hope they remember it all.

Teara
March 5th, 2004, 06:58 PM
You guys that got to see it are lucky I go to a christian school and almost the entire school has seen it and said it was very very good but got pretty nasty at some points I so want to see it. the amazeing thing was about 6 or 7 of our schools biggest tough guys (ya know they never cry or anything)went to see The Passion and they all cried after seeing it. My mum won't let me see it cause it's rated R and it can get gory so I have to wait til her and my dad go see it and I endup getting a relay of the movie from them and hope they remember it all.
U can't zee it? That ztinkz! Maybe u zhould try zeeing it when your older. I think everyone zhould zee when the're ready^_-

Greed
March 6th, 2004, 11:55 AM
You guys that got to see it are lucky I go to a christian school and almost the entire school has seen it and said it was very very good but got pretty nasty at some points I so want to see it. the amazeing thing was about 6 or 7 of our schools biggest tough guys (ya know they never cry or anything)went to see The Passion and they all cried after seeing it. My mum won't let me see it cause it's rated R and it can get gory so I have to wait til her and my dad go see it and I endup getting a relay of the movie from them and hope they remember it all.
Why not tell your parents that the gore is not meant to be payed attention to? Only the pain ^_^; Cus my mum told me "we're gonna go see it, so you can learn about His sacrifice and make you think about all the pain he went through" That's all she said. I went there, and cried so hard. I think I even yelped a little O_o;; Man, so THAT's why people stared at me o_O;

Yep. =/ Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but there's no need to be so harsh.

I agree, but there's no need for anyone to insult other opinions. Besides, opinion is not the truth, I don't know why so many people can't understand that =/

*drowns*

Ice Master
March 11th, 2004, 12:13 PM
Exactly, heck, I didn't pay attention to the blood. The pain he went through mattered.. What? Did yall think they just whipped him without hurting him so much and he just died? Heck no, they made him go through heck.

And The Enemy was always watcing hoping Jesus would give up, and not complete his porpuse. *by the enemy, I mean satan, I just don't like typing or saying his name..*

If anyone pays attention to the gore, then it'll appear like a movie. If you pay attention to the pain, then it'll be worth it.
They Really Made Him Go Through Heck When He Died He Went To **** To Cast The Sins Of All The People There People Dont Know That Either I Agree With Cartoon

Greed
March 11th, 2004, 04:40 PM
Yes, the gore is not meant to be putted attention on. Some people say its a "movie", well, I think its a lesson, and a reminder. So many people are talking about it, at a girl in my class said she cried. ;-; Its a real touching movie =) Actually, the entire movie was beautiful, and the acting too. Let's not forget the realism in it. I really enjoyed it, I cannot see how some people can say its just a movie Oo;; I mean, even if you're not religious, it must have touched some, cus they used to do that.. Those poor dudes..

*dies*

Teara
March 11th, 2004, 04:49 PM
Yes, the gore is not meant to be putted attention on. Some people say its a "movie", well, I think its a lesson, and a reminder. So many people are talking about it, at a girl in my class said she cried. ;-; Its a real touching movie =) Actually, the entire movie was beautiful, and the acting too. Let's not forget the realism in it. I really enjoyed it, I cannot see how some people can say its just a movie Oo;; I mean, even if you're not religious, it must have touched some, cus they used to do that.. Those poor dudes..

*dies*
Yup, I'm not a very religous perzon but I ztill know what happend zo the movie ment alot to me.
I don't underztand why people got zo mad at Gibbson for. If he hadn't made the movie then zome one elze waz bound to eventually:\ Pluz, people need to know about theze thingz. There are zome people who don't think it'z necicary to know about it and would rather juzt go to theaterz, zo making a movie about it waz a good way to reach people like that...that made no zence huh?

Ice Master
March 11th, 2004, 05:23 PM
People Say It Is Against The Jews It Is Just What Happened

BlastBurn
March 11th, 2004, 05:38 PM
I have seen the movie and the although it was more gorier than most movies it was not as gory as I expected. Maybe thats because I was so ready for it that it didnt seem gory. It was gory though I just mean there are more gory movies like "The Mummy" were you see the mummy with everything but skin. The Passion of Chrsit is a good movie. I would recommend seeing it.

22sa
March 11th, 2004, 09:02 PM
I think I heard Satan scream in the movie, since the God has won the war after the Son of Man went through all that spiritual and physical torture.

Anyway, I find it ..err... Why did those punishers do so much against Jesus? They didn't follow their orders. >=\ They should be punished themselves for that.

Greed
March 12th, 2004, 10:47 AM
I can't understand why those Jews are so against the movie.. I mean, nobody seems to be making a big deal of it, only those Jews are. They are just almost asking for others to call them "christ-killers". Jesus, what has gone to these peeps?

I agree with 22sa. All Jesus was doing was preaching, and saying he was the son of God, why'd they kill him? Meanies..

And let's take Teara as an example, she's not religious, but the movie touched her, so I don't understand peeps who say its just a movie.. O_o;;

Ice Master
March 12th, 2004, 11:12 AM
Most Of The people Thought That He Was Lying And That Is A Sin To Say Your God. He Went Through A Lot For Us And People Dont Accept That

Greed
March 12th, 2004, 03:16 PM
Yeah, that's really frigged up. Some people are grateful *This is NOT to people who are different religions, I just mean Christians* Some people have their own religions, I'm not saying they are ungrateful, I just mean the Christians that do innaproppiate things. =/ I don't like that they just do weird stuff, now every time I am about to sin, I think about the movie and the sacrifice Jesus-dude did for us, and most of the time it works. ^^; It was a really good movie. Beautifully done.

*dies*

Lanceiscool
March 13th, 2004, 06:56 AM
Hey. My 2: I heard Ebert say that the movie proves that there will never be an NC-17 for violence.

People need to remember there is a non-biblical side to Christ.

Just for a little humor on the subject...

<a href "Http://theonion.com/news/index.php?i=2> Jesus Demands Creative Control Over His Next Mvie </a>

baby*j
March 16th, 2004, 07:27 AM
I can't understand why those Jews are so against the movie.. I mean, nobody seems to be making a big deal of it, only those Jews are. They are just almost asking for others to call them "christ-killers". Jesus, what has gone to these peeps?

It's because they are the ones being shown as the monster, bad guys in
the film. I'm not a Jew but if I were I think I'd be offended. Wouldn't you be?

Greed
March 16th, 2004, 10:30 AM
I just think those Jews should just get angry at the mean jews, not at Mr. Gibson cus he made the movie. Its just like the movie "Shindler's List" by Steven Spielberg, its about the Holocaust, I never once in the movie thought that Germans were evil, and I never heard germans boycotting it cus it was about their people killing jews, homosexuals, and disabled people.

I just think these boycottin' Jews should not make a big deal of it.. If I were a Jew, I'd be sucking it up and saying, "At least I didn't kill Jesus." O_o; These Jews didn't kill Jesus, maybe their ancestors did, but then why are they making a mountain out of a anthill? o_o;

John Denver
March 16th, 2004, 02:11 PM
it's not showing jews as ravenous animals...I mean, that's what really happened, maybe they don't want to face reality....

huuuuuuuHHHHHHHHHH!?!

Chairman Kaga
March 16th, 2004, 02:59 PM
Yeah...centuries ago Christians committed atrocities against the Jews and I wouldn't be offended if they made a film that portrayed those atrocities...it's what happened. But I would be offended if there was a movie done today that portrayed all Christians in a negative way...anyone ever seen the old version of Inherit the Wind? That's one example...the thing is that not every Jew was against Jesus...just the heads of state (who were Roman) and the mobs who listened to the Romans and participated in the crucifixion...those who screamed "Let his blood be on our children!" and that sort...just the mention of anything having to do with Jesus gets people in an uproar these days, and this film is one example. The Jews just don't like anything that portrays Judaism in a negative light, and although The Passion of the Christ doesn't do that, they've faced so much hatred over many millenia that they see this movie as representing all Jews when it most certainly doesn't and react to it with fear. It's a mix of misguided fear and malicious press that's made people consider this movie so incredibly controversial. There's no controversy that I can see...no generalizations are made in the movie, it's just who was there at the time. As has been said before, it's about love, not hate.

latiosspud
March 16th, 2004, 03:30 PM
Mel Gibson is the same guy who starred and produced in the 2002 movie, "We Were Soldier." The way he showed the Jews in, "The Passion of the Christ," is probably the same way he showed the North Vietnamese people if not worse.

Chairman Kaga
March 16th, 2004, 03:50 PM
Again, whatever's shown isn't representative of an entire culture of people. I haven't seen We Were Soldiers, but if the North Vietnamese were portrayed in a gruesome way, it was likely the guerilla soldiers who were fighting the Americans. War isn't pretty...all parties in war are brutal, and the Viet Cong especially so when they fought us...but let's not get into that. Not all North Vietnamese were violent, murderous people, and not many Jews at the time of Jesus were like the ones in the crowds at the crucifixion.

latiosspud
March 16th, 2004, 04:17 PM
Again, whatever's shown isn't representative of an entire culture of people. I haven't seen We Were Soldiers, but if the North Vietnamese were portrayed in a gruesome way, it was likely the guerilla soldiers who were fighting the Americans. War isn't pretty...all parties in war are brutal, and the Viet Cong especially so when they fought us...but let's not get into that. Not all North Vietnamese were violent, murderous people, and not many Jews at the time of Jesus were like the ones in the crowds at the crucifixion.
Don't you mean defending? But that's not the point, all I'm trying to say is Mel Gibson always makes movies in favour of him.

Duke R
March 16th, 2004, 11:20 PM
I've not read all posts but I think that THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST is only a movie:
1. Watch the movie(or not)
2. Think about it(or not)
3. Sleep, and dream 'bout it(or not)(no, this you can't control)

But what I think is that: Don't be a nazi; the actor was 33, the lightning, maintain... blah-blah-blah; and ANY RELIGION IS OVER POKMON, don't be like someones(that I'll not say the name) that abandon PC and all for God(blergh), Jesus(blergh), Wicca(duh) or another religion like these...

baby*j
March 17th, 2004, 07:16 AM
This is kinda off the topic, but who's to say the Jews did actually kill Jesus?
That's what we think happened but none of us can be really sure since it happened
a very long time ago ... and I don't think any of us are thousands of years old?

Also, a few critics have been saying that the story portrayed by Mel was off ...

Greed
March 17th, 2004, 10:44 AM
I think that THE PASSION OF DE CHRIST is only a movie
I disagree, it was meant to make people remember. And to make them feel bad for being so evil.

ANY RELIGION IS OVER POKMON, don't be like someones(that I'll not say the name) that abandon PC and all for God(blergh), Jesus(blergh), Wicca(duh) or another religion like these...

If the person left PC cus of their religion, don't diss em, dude. That ain't cool..

This is kinda off the topic, but who's to say the Jews did actually kill Jesus?
That's what we think happened but none of us can be really sure since it happened
a very long time ago ... and I don't think any of us are thousands of years old?

You got a point there, no one really knows. But like Chairman_Kaga said, not all Jews killed Jesus or anything like that o_o

Chairman Kaga
March 17th, 2004, 02:03 PM
Defending? If memory serves me right, the Viet Cong was against the U.S. But I haven't seen the movie, do I don't know about this particular group of North Vietnamese.

But anyway...I think that Mel only took minor artistic licenses with the movie. Only things that don't go against scripture but help get points across. I'm not going to debate about the Jew/Roman/etc thing anymore because I've made my point several times, and I've said all that can be said in this situation.

But I thank you all for keeping this civil, at many other boards this would have spiraled out of control in five posts ^_^

Greed
March 17th, 2004, 04:12 PM
But I thank you all for keeping this civil, at many other boards this would have spiraled out of control in five posts ^_^

Yep, maybe because this was a pretty sensitive topic. Ya know what I mean, religious topic. People have to be careful not to offend anybody and that stuff =3 Actually, I'm pretty surprised this thread didn't go out of control. o.o; Most of the times some jerk just comes and says something mean *wehad one here* but other than that, nobody has caused problems. =)

latiosspud
March 17th, 2004, 06:11 PM
Defending? If memory serves me right, the Viet Cong was against the U.S. But I haven't seen the movie, do I don't know about this particular group of North Vietnamese.

First, the Viet Cong were a group of pro-Communist South Vietnamese. Second, it was the US who came to Vietnam not the other way around so therefore it's the Communists who are defending and the Americans who are attacking. The NVA and the Viet Cong along with North Korea and the Soviet Union all fought against the US sometime during the Vietnam War. But this is a thread about a movie not history.

It's very possible that the Jews didn't kill Jesus but it's also very possible that they did too.

Duke R
March 18th, 2004, 12:27 AM
If the person left PC cus of their religion, don't diss em, dude. That ain't cool..
Excuse me, but this is what I think... I think... I'm atheist and I believe that the one wasn't cool too... Now he/she is back, but I was sad, thinking that the one'd never more like pokmon, and the world'd lose a PokLover...

Greed
March 18th, 2004, 09:12 AM
Excuse me, but this is what I think... I think... I'm atheist and I believe that the one wasn't cool too... Now he/she is back, but I was sad, thinking that the one'd never more like pokmon, and the world'd lose a PokLover...


I don't care about what you think, that person left for his/her beliefs. If they wanna go, let em go. You can't just insult someone for the things they believe in. You wouldn't like it if I said something insulting to the things you believe in. If we lost a member, no biggie, just let that person go. We lose members, and we can't stop it. So please no insulting..

Chairman Kaga
March 18th, 2004, 01:49 PM
Oh...I for some reason I thought you meant the North Vietnamese were defending the U.S... @_@

And on another note, I can see an argument on the horizon...let's keep it cool, ok? ^^;;

Duke R
March 19th, 2004, 01:51 AM
I don't care about what you think, that person left for his/her beliefs. If they wanna go, let em go. You can't just insult someone for the things they believe in. You wouldn't like it if I said something insulting to the things you believe in. If we lost a member, no biggie, just let that person go. We lose members, and we can't stop it. So please no insulting..
I'm insulting??? I just said that what I think is that I believe that any religion is over pokmon, and I haven't like what that one did... Excuse me, but now you're being rude... I think... I didn't said that the one is better or worse than anyone...

Greed
March 19th, 2004, 08:19 AM
Okay, okay, fine. Maybe I misunderstood you. Let's please end this silly argument, alright, I admit its my fault. So errr, let's get back on topic. I thought you were saying that stuff to be mean to other people ()o.o;

*dies*

pkmn-source
March 19th, 2004, 03:13 PM
Jews killed Jesus Christ. But it's Jesus destiny to burden all the sins of mankind. The movie is not actually racist. Mel Gibson is just trying to show to the world how did Jesus really got killed and who killed him. Jews are against the movie because maybe a lot of people will blame the Jews that they're the one who caused Jesus's death which is actually true.

Oh well... I think Mel Gibson's film is great and I don't see anything wrong about it.

Why did Hitler killed thousand of Jews without doin anythin? Isn't it like the like the life of Jesus Christ? Jesus Christ got killed without doing anything. Well, that's sad :(

Greed
March 19th, 2004, 05:53 PM
Who knows the real truth? Hmm.. I really don't like to blame anyone for Jesus' death. I'd be insulting them ;-; But hey, who really knows?

But not all Jews are against it, tho. There was this rabbi talking in this radio show, and he was furious his people were boycotting the movie for such foolishness. He said he sees nothing wrong with it. Neither do I. ^^

pkmn-source
March 19th, 2004, 06:54 PM
the real truth is in the bible.

Greed
March 19th, 2004, 07:05 PM
The Bible? Then maybe I should read it more, my mum always forces me to read the bible or she'll lecture me that God will send me to Heck if I'm not good. =P I just can't understand it ;-;

*dies*

Duke R
March 20th, 2004, 12:14 AM
The Bible? I don't believe the truth is in The Bible... The truth is in History books... Mel Gibson just made a movie talking about the truth, the real truth, Gibson's truth... If he has money and all to make a movie, leave he and he's truth... I think... And if the truth is in The Bible,,, we must admit that the movie is TOTALLY based on it... I think...

piyoko
March 20th, 2004, 05:57 AM
duuuuuuuuuude.my mom won't let me see the passion because she says "it's too gruesome,and will give you nightmares" i haven't had nightmares from movies sice i was like,five O-0

duke,your post confuzzeled me :confused:

pkmn-source
March 20th, 2004, 10:14 AM
If you don't believe the actual events in the movie really happen, it's up to you. Don't you think the death of million Jews is just a KARMA to them for asking to kill Jesus in the past? That's what I think. But Jews are cool, I don't know why Hitler killed all Jews :(


Well the movie has the combination of History and Hollywood.


Mel Gibson didn't spend much money on the Film. I think it's around 1-2 million dollars for the movie.

Greed
March 20th, 2004, 11:07 AM
Actually, Mel Gibson invested 30, million dollars on The Passion of the Christ. And like Piyoko said, Dauke's post confused me @@;;

Well, some people really believe the truth is in the Bible. I'm not sure myself --;;

*dies*

Chairman Kaga
March 20th, 2004, 01:04 PM
Karma comes from Hinduism, not Christianity ;P God would not allow millions of Jews to be slaughtered at the hands of Hitler as a vengeance. He has his reasons for everything, but none of them are ever malevolent. It is and shall always be a mystery. Of course the Jews havent deserved any of the anti-Semitism theyve suffered over the years, but still...all this is beside the point. I think that asking who killed Jesus is irrelevant to the point of the movie...the movie is about Jesus dying for the sins of the world, and this bickering is detracting from that point.

About the point of truth lying in the Bible, I personally believe that it is a good guide on how to life ones life, but in the end it depends on the opinion of the individual person. But I think were going off on too many tangents here...and again, lets keep it civil, ok ^^;;

Duke R
March 20th, 2004, 03:18 PM
Ok. But I don't speak English... I just said that you do what you wanna do... You can see the movie and see what Gibson think 'bout the true. Believe or not believe, that's the question...

shep
April 1st, 2004, 09:59 PM
The Bible? Then maybe I should read it more, my mum always forces me to read the bible or she'll lecture me that God will send me to Heck if I'm not good. =P I just can't understand it ;-;

*dies*

I am sorry for posting so late but I havnt been around much to check out all the other threads than Pokemon Dimension. Cartoon as a christian I also struggle with continually reading my bible. Your mother telling you your going to **** isnt a great way to provoke bible study. I suggest a NIV study bible like this:
here (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?cat=18841&dept=3920&product_id=1822540&path=0%3A3920%3A18841%3A18842%3A18844%3A21753)
The NIV version of the bible is very easy to read. This particular bible I have, it has a very very easy to follow reading plan for what to read everyday and has sections for most of the chapters of each book and explains what is going on. It has a great index to look up topics like "Sex" "homosexuality" "murder" and a great section on important people to know. This is a great bible and I hope you pick it up or a similar one. A devotional is also something useful to pick up. Hope I could help! :classic:

Duke R
April 2nd, 2004, 12:23 AM
shep, you're Yankee.
No Yankee ones can tell something useful'bout religion, 'coz since you (Yankees) burn your parents tell you what you have to be and believe. 'Bout "sex", "homossexuality" and "murder" (I don't know what the last means) it's not something "WHAT!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE!!! OH, HORRIFYING!!!" that's an option of theirselves... ...
...
This PIV must be better than the "Capitalist-Lie-Book" (Bible)... ... Excuse me if Yankee is offensive ... I don't speak English ... ... GOOD SIG PIYOKO! ...

TeamRocket
April 2nd, 2004, 05:16 AM
This is my straight opinion:
The Jews didn't place Jesus on the cross
The Romans didn't place Jesus on the cross
The Disciples didn't place Jesus on the cross
HIS LOVE FOR US PLACED HIM ON THE CROSS
He would rather die than live without us - his children

Greed
April 2nd, 2004, 10:43 AM
I am sorry for posting so late but I havnt been around much to check out all the other threads than Pokemon Dimension. Cartoon as a christian I also struggle with continually reading my bible. Your mother telling you your going to **** isnt a great way to provoke bible study. I suggest a NIV study bible like this:
here (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?cat=18841&dept=3920&product_id=1822540&path=0%3A3920%3A18841%3A18842%3A18844%3A21753)
The NIV version of the bible is very easy to read. This particular bible I have, it has a very very easy to follow reading plan for what to read everyday and has sections for most of the chapters of each book and explains what is going on. It has a great index to look up topics like "Sex" "homosexuality" "murder" and a great section on important people to know. This is a great bible and I hope you pick it up or a similar one. A devotional is also something useful to pick up. Hope I could help! :classic:
Wow, thanks for the advice =D I just checked out this other book that explains the Bible and its really interesting. It explained so many things I couldn't understand. I'll check it out, shep. Thanx for the advice =3

Anyways, in latest news, I have recently found out "Dawn of the Dead" has actually beaten Passion's record. It sold more than the Passion could, and that just pisses me off.. Christianity is one of the biggest religions in the US, I'm surprised to know that so many Christians rather see senseless violence than know how a brave man suffered for us..

Chairman Kaga
April 2nd, 2004, 03:05 PM
Actually, The Passion of the Christ is going to beat Dawn of the Dead by hundreds of millions of dollars...Dawn of the Dead only beat Passion of the Christ in weekend box-office sales. I think TPOTC might go back to number one around Easter though.

Greed
April 2nd, 2004, 03:58 PM
Hmm, maybe you're right. Actually, didja know that the Passion of the Christ is still in the USA? Soon, the movie will premier around the world. Dang, Mr. Gibson is gonna be a billionaire ^-^

Also, I just heard a Priest died in Brazil.. I think. I dunno, but another person died. I can see why, the movie's very touching ;-;

Teara
April 2nd, 2004, 04:03 PM
Yup! I herd a girl had a sezure from watching it. It'z gory but if you think you're ready you zhould ztill zee it.

Greed
April 2nd, 2004, 04:31 PM
Those poor peeps who died. ;-; Honestly, its a strong emotional movie. When I saw it, I could swear I felt my heart starting to slow down O.o; Sure, I know it sounds weird, but it made me so sad ;-;

Chairman Kaga
April 2nd, 2004, 04:41 PM
I'm not surprised some people died from seeing it...the shock and horror could cause heart attacks I suppose...anyone remember the wave of horrible flashbacks (and likely deaths even) that WWII vets had when they went to watch Saving Private Ryan in theaters? That movie was intense, somewhat like the Passion of the Christ...

But as teara sorta said, it's a very rare occurance and that's no reason not go to see a movie..only if you have some serious heart condition or something...any big excitement or shock can trigger cardiac arrest, actually o_o

Greed
April 2nd, 2004, 04:47 PM
Yep, just like a rollercoaster except it ain't for fun. Sensible people should take precautions, because they can get too excited or anything. Those poor dudes..

I never saw Saving Private Ryans, there are too many WWWII movies out there, that I taken disinterest in them =P

shep
April 2nd, 2004, 07:51 PM
shep, you're Yankee.
No Yankee ones can tell something useful'bout religion, 'coz since you (Yankees) burn your parents tell you what you have to be and believe. 'Bout "sex", "homossexuality" and "murder" (I don't know what the last means) it's not something "WHAT!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE!!! OH, HORRIFYING!!!" that's an option of theirselves... ...
...
This PIV must be better than the "Capitalist-Lie-Book" (Bible)... ... Excuse me if Yankee is offensive ... I don't speak English ... ... GOOD SIG PIYOKO! ...

Listen here child. Yes I am from America but that does not mean I have no useful opinions on religion. How narrowminded of you to assume that I have blindly followed a religion. You do not know me, my background, what I have been through in life. That post was directed to Cartoon, I don't know why you think it was even directed to you, those are topics that are easily catergorized in this bible I was reccomending. I was giving examples on how easy it was to look up topics on specific things. The "NIV" bible is a different translation in the bible that is easier for this generation to comprehend. It stands for the "New Internation Version." I don't even know why I am adressing your post because I find people that do not respect other beleives to be a waste of time. I don't go around calling the holy book of Koran stupid, or any of the teachings of Buddha ridiculous. Learn some respect, and respect other cultures. Do not be so narrow minded.

Chairman Kaga
April 2nd, 2004, 08:30 PM
Exactly...I didn't even see that post, but now that I do, I just don't get it...this isn't the place to sling your intolerance and hatred around. Shep covered it, but ...

Tu odio es innecesario... El frase <<yanqui>> y tus manchas de nuestro religin son insultante--no es amable, as no lo haces, por favor!

If you can't understand everything in english, hopefully you can understand a bit of jumbled spanish...

This topic is not a religious debate, it is the discussion of a movie. Please don't turn it into anything else. People on both sides are easily stirred up if people try to make it something it isn't. Now, if you don't mind, I don't want to see any more religious slurs in here. It's sickening and absolutely base.

Greed
April 3rd, 2004, 03:46 PM
shep, you're Yankee.
No Yankee ones can tell something useful'bout religion, 'coz since you (Yankees) burn your parents tell you what you have to be and believe. 'Bout "sex", "homossexuality" and "murder" (I don't know what the last means) it's not something "WHAT!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE!!! OH, HORRIFYING!!!" that's an option of theirselves... ...
...
This PIV must be better than the "Capitalist-Lie-Book" (Bible)... ... Excuse me if Yankee is offensive ... I don't speak English ... ... GOOD SIG PIYOKO! ...

I noticed it, but ignored it. I didn't want to make any trouble =P But since this is offending to people, yes, Duke, STOP IT RIGHT NOW!! If you don't, we'll just have to drag an mod to put your frigging bolts back in.. And besides, mods DO NOT like to be disturbed =P

So will ya quit it? I mean, if you hate it, keep it to yourself... =/ I don't wanna hear your hater stuff =P You don't see me insulting whatever the heck you are.. --;;

*dies*

Arcanine
April 5th, 2004, 05:55 PM
Well I guess I am the last one here to see the movie.
This movie is powerful, moving, and very sad.

And I don't have the time to read all that up there but what ever it is stop it.

Duke R
April 10th, 2004, 03:21 PM
.. ... *serious* I don't know what you all understood and I don't care if this word exists... I don't posted what you all understood... ... excuse me for the trouble...

Greed
April 11th, 2004, 03:34 PM
Well, your posts above sound pretty discriminating, Dukie-boi. If you didn't mean to sound that way, you should have thought about what you were writing.. It sounds offensive and stuff =/ So quit it, alright?

Anyways, Passion of the Christ has made it on to top of movies again! Here's the list.. ^^;

1. The Passion of The Christ
2. Hellboy
3. Johnson Family Vacation
4. The Alamo
5. Walking Tall
6. Home on the Range
7. Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed
8. The Whole Ten Yards
9. Ella Enchanted
10. The Girl Next Door

Shch, that Girl Next Door movie sounds really cracky.. =P

*dies*

latiosspud
April 11th, 2004, 03:47 PM
Well, your posts above sound pretty discriminating, Dukie-boi. If you didn't mean to sound that way, you should have thought about what you were writing.. It sounds offensive and stuff =/ So quit it, alright?

Anyways, Passion of the Christ has made it on to top of movies again! Here's the list.. ^^;

1. The Passion of The Christ
2. Hellboy
3. Johnson Family Vacation
4. The Alamo
5. Walking Tall
6. Home on the Range
7. Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed
8. The Whole Ten Yards
9. Ella Enchanted
10. The Girl Next Door

Shch, that Girl Next Door movie sounds really cracky.. =P

*dies*
The Passion of The Christ was first just because it was Easter and I heard it could make up to 400 million bucks.

It's sad that "The Girl Next Door" was in 10th place as it was pretty good. I don't see why it was rated R, it should have been PG13 if you ask me. It doesn't matter though since I saw it anyways.

22sa
April 12th, 2004, 12:11 PM
I'm not surprised some people died from seeing it...the shock and horror could cause heart attacks I suppose...anyone remember the wave of horrible flashbacks (and likely deaths even) that WWII vets had when they went to watch Saving Private Ryan in theaters? That movie was intense, somewhat like the Passion of the Christ...

But as teara sorta said, it's a very rare occurance and that's no reason not go to see a movie..only if you have some serious heart condition or something...any big excitement or shock can trigger cardiac arrest, actually o_o
It seems everyone thinks Saving Private Ryan is very bloody and intense...

I saw it last year in a grade ten social studies classroom, like wow, they could show that stuff at my school? o.o But anyway... =) It didn't seem too bad at all to me. I've simply seen worse, I guess.

Christ's sufferings on the cross. Well, first of all, the movie really focused on the physical sufferings of Christ. Since I have been educated (somewhat) that the spiritual suffering of Christ on the cross was perhaps even more significant - he took the spritual punishment for mankind's sins and defeated the devil by doing so. But I hardly knowticed any, if at all in this movie.

Conscience
April 12th, 2004, 12:30 PM
I went to see the movie , and i dare say i wasnt very impressed.
I thought it was biased and very pro-christian. Mind you it was a christian movie so go figure. Maybe i just didnt like it because im not christian , but i thought the movie was very "hollywood".

( Dont mean to offend anyone )

Greed
April 12th, 2004, 05:03 PM
The Passion of The Christ was first just because it was Easter and I heard it could make up to 400 million bucks.


Yep, I noticed. They said that on the radio this morning.

I went to see the movie , and i dare say i wasnt very impressed.
I thought it was biased and very pro-christian. Mind you it was a christian movie so go figure. Maybe i just didnt like it because im not christian , but i thought the movie was very "hollywood".
I believe in order to "feel" it, one must be very determined, and somewhat Christian. One doesn't have to be a religious christian to enjoy it. =P And I believe one has to believe in Jesus, I don't think it affects anyone non-christian. =/

*dies*

Frostweaver
April 12th, 2004, 05:05 PM
It seems everyone thinks Saving Private Ryan is very bloody and intense...

I saw it last year in a grade ten social studies classroom, like wow, they could show that stuff at my school? o.o But anyway... =) It didn't seem too bad at all to me. I've simply seen worse, I guess.

Christ's sufferings on the cross. Well, first of all, the movie really focused on the physical sufferings of Christ. Since I have been educated (somewhat) that the spiritual suffering of Christ on the cross was perhaps even more significant - he took the spritual punishment for mankind's sins and defeated the devil by doing so. But I hardly knowticed any, if at all in this movie.
I dunno... I didn't pay much attention to you when I was watching the movie... I was either staring at my cup to stop myself from crying but not looking at the mvoie, or is crying o.o;

the fact that I was one of those freaks who was holding that cat-o-9tail... it's just sad and makes me want to cry... and everyone who did see the movie also participated playing the role as one of those soldiers who were torturing Christ. We all have sins, and Jesus wouldn't have to go through all those beatings if it isn't for these sins we have. We are the one who play the roles of those soldiers sending him up the cross... seeing that in action just how brutal it really is compare to just what's written in words is just very moving and astonishing.

Greed
April 12th, 2004, 05:14 PM
Very well, said, Frosty ^-^

What made me cry mostly about the movie is not really blood or guts or anything. What made me cry is that he did all that for our sins, he saved us, we were unworthy of his mercy, but he still suffered for us. Its pretty moving imo. It was mostly all of our faults he had to go through all that mean stuff ;-;

*dies*

Wing Zero
April 12th, 2004, 05:17 PM
i just want to know, how can a god die...? anything you say i can probably arue and win it...so whats the explination...
and yes it is an excellent movie...have any of you seen The Least Temptation Of Christ? that has the same impact if not better of the passion of christ...

Teara
April 12th, 2004, 05:24 PM
No! I juzt pozted here!...it didn't pozt ;.;

Anywayz, like I've zaid, it'z not the pain, it'z the thought of it.

Woah! Did anyone elze hear about the guy who admitted to killing hiz girlfriend becauze of the the movie? He zaid it touched him zo much that he had to confezz.
Way ta go Gibson!

Greed
April 12th, 2004, 05:25 PM
i just want to know, how can a god die...? anything you say i can probably arue and win it...so whats the explination...
and yes it is an excellent movie...have any of you seen The Least Temptation Of Christ? that has the same impact if not better of the passion of christ...
Jesus was a God alright, heck he had the power to kill all the soldiers, free himself from the cross, and heal himself. Heck, he could have chosen to be invincible, but he chose to suffer so he could save all of us. He died *he didn't just have to die, he had to suffer* so that he could give all humanity a second chance. So that the Enemy would not claim our souls that easily. That's all I gotta say, kid. =P

*dies*

latiosspud
April 12th, 2004, 05:26 PM
i just want to know, how can a god die...? anything you say i can probably arue and win it...so whats the explination...
and yes it is an excellent movie...have any of you seen The Least Temptation Of Christ? that has the same impact if not better of the passion of christ...
The point is you both have different beliefs so in the end no one will win. :P

Greed
April 12th, 2004, 05:31 PM
Woah! Did anyone elze hear about the guy who admitted to killing hiz girlfriend becauze of the the movie? He zaid it touched him zo much that he had to confezz.
Oh yeah! My ma told me, that movie is so very amazing. Look at how it made these people think! ^^

The point is you both have different beliefs so in the end no one will win.
Exactly, I'd like to see how can Wing Zero possibly win this. =P

*dies*

Wing Zero
April 12th, 2004, 05:31 PM
god-A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.

how could a creator or surpream being die? its just not pracitical...and how do we know religion hasnt been bended inorder to meet the deamands of society? do you really belive we are reading the same exact text as it was written in ancient time?!
also, when you translate things they lose the meaning...just look at japanees haikus...

Teara
April 12th, 2004, 05:35 PM
Bazicly he didn't have to die, he chooze to in order to zave uz. It'z pretty zimple Wing Zero. Zorry, but thiz iz a religouz topic, that meanz it'z built on belifez, and that meanz there are a million thingz people can argue about them, it all dependz on your own perzonal belifez.
It'z really not even an arguement, juzt comparing.

Greed
April 12th, 2004, 05:36 PM
god-A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.

how could a creator or surpream being die? its just not pracitical...and how do we know religion hasnt been bended inorder to meet the deamands of society? do you really belive we are reading the same exact text as it was written in ancient time?!
also, when you translate things they lose the meaning...just look at japanees haikus...
Teara's right. Jesus chose to die, didn't you read meh explanation? He suffered and died for our rins, besides, he didn't really die. He ressurected three days after being crucified.

*dies*

Wing Zero
April 12th, 2004, 05:37 PM
okay fine...but you never adressed my second question which is about the ible and other religious books...if those proved inaccurate then that would change all peopls beliefs becuas the beeifs are based on what is in the bible either pro it or against it..right?..i love debate!

Greed
April 12th, 2004, 05:43 PM
okay fine...but you never adressed my second question which is about the ible and other religious books...if those proved inaccurate then that would change all peopls beliefs becuas the beeifs are based on what is in the bible either pro it or against it..right?..i love debate!
*gets dizzy* I can hardly understand what you're asking. @@;; I can hardly make out your spelling mistakes.. @__@; Can you clarify the question?

*dies*

Teara
April 12th, 2004, 05:43 PM
You make a good point Wing Zero, we really don't know. But to think that they changed zomething...would they really have a reazon to?
But think about how fiercly people defend their religion, people die for it all the time. Do you really think that if they(who ever the heck "they" are) changed it, that people would change what they belived in? I highly doubt it! Juzt think about the evolution theory, zcientiztz came up with excellent proof and yet many people ztill keep their belifez.

Wing Zero
April 12th, 2004, 05:45 PM
okay fine...but you never adressed my second question which is about the bible and other religious books...if those proved inacurate then that would change all peoples beliefs becuas the beleifs are based on what is in the bible, either pro it or against it..right?..i love debate! ^happy i corrected it...and my question was:

how do we know religion hasnt been bended inorder to meet the deamands of society? do you really belive we are reading the same exact text as it was written in ancient time?!
also, when you translate things they lose the meaning...just look at japanees haikus...

i see teara answred faster than i could correct...
but anyways...yep so all im saying is that well never know...so i guess we will never end this debate...o well ~_^

Teara
April 12th, 2004, 05:53 PM
i see Teara answred faster than i could correct...
but anyways...yep so all im saying is that well never know...so i guess we will never end this debate...o well ~_^
Zo then why'd you zay you could win? Huh? :P

Wing Zero
April 12th, 2004, 05:54 PM
well you didnt win either and your post didnt totaly sway the discussion to your side...meaning my question is till left out in the open meaning i have not been beaten...

all in all ifs a very touching and meaningfull...

Greed
April 12th, 2004, 05:55 PM
okay fine...but you never adressed my second question which is about the bible and other religious books...if those proved inacurate then that would change all peoples beliefs becuas the beleifs are based on what is in the bible, either pro it or against it..right?..i love debate! ^happy i corrected it...and my question was:

how do we know religion hasnt been bended inorder to meet the deamands of society? do you really belive we are reading the same exact text as it was written in ancient time?!
also, when you translate things they lose the meaning...just look at japanees haikus...

i see teara answred faster than i could correct...
but anyways...yep so all im saying is that well never know...so i guess we will never end this debate...o well ~_^
These kinds of debate never have quite an end @@; Anyways, all I know about the bible is that most of the things on it are changed. Heck, I looked at two bibles, and they had very different things. =P One is never sure if its changed >_<; But anyways, although it may have been changed, most beliefs are passed on that try not to be changed. None of us really know if what the Bible says is really what has been written ages ago.

BTW, LOL @ Teara. Good point XD

*dies*

Teara
April 12th, 2004, 06:02 PM
That'z why it'z a good idea to have ideaz inztead of belifez. Ideaz can be changed, belifez...if you're willing to die for them then it'z probably not very eazy to change them.

Thankz Cartoon, I actually feel zmart now :P

Zpeaking of rezurection, Cartoon, you zure die alot, imagine how many timez you've come back to life :P

Chairman Kaga
April 13th, 2004, 01:50 PM
On the subject of religions changing to meet the needs of society, I don't see that as the case with Christianity. Throughout the ages, those who have been entrusted with copying and translating scripture have been held to the standard of translating it verbatim. It's gone from Jewish to Greek and Latin to all the European vernaculars to all languages and the words haven't changed. Even if a few things can't be translated verbatim, all languages have equivalants to different phrases so it's not even a question if the language barrier has done anything to scripture. The message of the King James Version is no different than the New International Version (the most accurate version outside of Hebrew), only the wording is different. One is in plain english and one is in old english. But then there are versions like the Cotton Patch Version which are incredibly messed up...they turned the Bible into a story where Jesus was born in Georgia during the great depression. That's just irresponsible. But the devotion of the faithful holds them to the high translation standards that keep the Bible the way it has always been. I don't think I've heard of a major religion that would change itself just to suit society, especially seeing as popular society hates Christianity.

So I think that ought to answer your question, Wing Zero.

~Chairman Kaga

Jess
April 13th, 2004, 02:07 PM
I have seen this movie like 4 or 5 times. *I forgot which x.x*.. Last time I saw it was Easter.

Greed
April 13th, 2004, 03:24 PM
That'z why it'z a good idea to have ideaz inztead of belifez. Ideaz can be changed, belifez...if you're willing to die for them then it'z probably not very eazy to change them.

Thankz Cartoon, I actually feel zmart now

Zpeaking of rezurection, Cartoon, you zure die alot, imagine how many timez you've come back to life

That's a reason I'm not so religious, there is really no telling if those beliefs are real ;-; But hey, there must have been someone who must have created all of us. Trees and water didn't just sprout out of the earth and grew! ^^;

BTW, I come back to life everytime I post! ^-^ OMG! I was a walking and moving dead person!!! O_O;;

I have seen this movie like 4 or 5 times. *I forgot which x.x*.. Last time I saw it was Easter.

You're lucky, I so loved that movie. I only got to see it once, and that was the third day it came on theaters! XD

*dies*

Teara
April 13th, 2004, 03:27 PM
Lol, I got that from the movie Dogma :P
But I have an Idea that there iz zomeone up there watchin all of uz ^_^

Greed
April 13th, 2004, 03:45 PM
Lol, I got that from the movie Dogma :P
But I have an Idea that there iz zomeone up there watchin all of uz ^_^
Since when did you become so wise, Teara? XD Yeah, one reason I believe in god is cus there must be someone who made all of us. ^^

*dies*

Wing Zero
April 13th, 2004, 03:46 PM
science myfirend science...what came first the chicken or the egg? or how cna we prove there is ONE god if there are soo many denominations...therell be no way to ever find out sadly...but i think science is the birth of man kind and it will sadly lead the end to it also...sadly...

Greed
April 13th, 2004, 03:54 PM
science myfirend science...what came first the chicken or the egg? or how cna we prove there is ONE god if there are soo many denominations...therell be no way to ever find out sadly...but i think science is the birth of man kind and it will sadly lead the end to it also...sadly...
But there's always questions science can't answer. Such as, who created science then? And I don't believe science will destroy us, I believe we'll (us, people, ourselves) be the ones who shall lead ourselves to our ultimate downfall.

*dies*

Teara
April 13th, 2004, 03:58 PM
Since when did you become so wise, Teara? XD Yeah, one reason I believe in god is cus there must be someone who made all of us. ^^
Iziz alwayz been a zmart peopler! :P
Exactly, and I know I'm gonna regret zaying thiz but oh well, here I go >_<'''

When the thoery of evolution came out many people were offended greatly due to their religiouz belifez. They all dizagree with it inztantly azzuming that God iz a human therefor he came before apez and zo we couldn't have evolved from them. BUT what are the pozibilitiez that God wazn't human, zomeone had to create apez too right? Zure Jesus waz a man but God iz almighty therefore he could have created a human zon without being one himzelf. IF yo think about it both zidez could be right in their own wayz. While I belive we will never know the real truth about it untill perhapz we die, I do think that people tend to go overboard thinking that humanz are the very bezt of all creationz. What if we are juzt one of them? What makez uz zo pozitive that we are zo amazing that Of coureze God muzt be one of our own kind. We all know we wern't the very firzt creaturez on the planet zo why would God be human?

*takez a deep breath*
Phew! Glad I could finaly zay my ideaz out loud with out geting a detention from a teacher :P'''
BTW, zorry if I got zome of my factz wrong 0,o But that'z been on my mind for a looooong time.

Wing Zero
April 13th, 2004, 04:05 PM
has anyone read any of david von danikens books? hes an archaeologists, anthropologists he believs that the world to construction by aliens, rather than the work of the human people. His Chariots of the Gods included a theory that humankind arose because aliens came to earth and impregnated hominids.

thats the most prbable scientific explanation of the gods i have ever heard...just think about it...the supernatural appearance, strength...arnt the gods always protrayed as superior to man...and what about beams of light affiliated with the gods...dont aliens use beams of light for a unknow purpose? they link together...but some religious people refuse to belive this beacuse of their belifs..tisk tisk arrogance doesnt help...

*takes DEEP BREATH like Teara* ~_^

Greed
April 13th, 2004, 04:18 PM
That's a good point, Teara =D Can I call you "sempai"? XD

anthropologists he believs that the world to construction by aliens, rather than the work of the human people
The why don't our "creators" aka aliens, have arrived, or destroyed all of us? If I were them, I'd destroy the humans cus humans are pretty cracked up these days =P

but some religious people refuse to belive this beacuse of their belifs..tisk tisk arrogance doesnt help...
Don't say that again, if you do, you're the arrogant one for bad-mouthin' people for their beliefs =/

*dies*

Teara
April 13th, 2004, 04:26 PM
That's a good point, Teara =D Can I call you "sempai"? XD
Uhhhh...yeah zure...Pzzt, what'z that mean 0.0~??

Hmm, well, I don't know about allienz. I'm zure we're mizzing zomething out there but I've never thought of them az our creator, I zuppoze it'z a poziblity though. I'm actually at a lozz of wordz right now though(think I uzed em all up) about the idea zince I've never herd it before 0.0''

Greed
April 13th, 2004, 04:31 PM
Uhhhh...yeah zure...Pzzt, what'z that mean 0.0~??

Hmm, well, I don't know about allienz. I'm zure we're mizzing zomething out there but I've never thought of them az our creator, I zuppoze it'z a poziblity though. I'm actually at a lozz of wordz right now though(think I uzed em all up) about the idea zince I've never herd it before 0.0''

~Sempai - A Japanese word used to call people of higher class, a Japanese name of respect.

^^; The alien thing seems bogus, like I said, if they really did. They would probably want us as their slaves or sumthing, honestly. Or they'd kill us for going rotten ^^;

*dies*

Wing Zero
April 13th, 2004, 04:31 PM
i did not intent to hurt anyone...i meant it in no bad way, it was a misconception...all i am saying is that some perople, even wthnic groups are hindered by beliefs...i am assyrian which is located, or WAS located in the middle east in mesopitamia, but i am christian. now, for example at one point of time muslims were surpream lerners and held the most knowledge of the world...but look at them nowadaays..they have feastivals enforced by beleif to do things some think as absurd...(cutting themselves with macceties to sacrifice their wrong doings for allah, etc.)
all i am saying is that theya re hindered, but mean it in no offensive way...

latiosspud
April 13th, 2004, 04:32 PM
But there's always questions science can't answer. Such as, who created science then? And I don't believe science will destroy us, I believe we'll (us, people, ourselves) be the ones who shall lead ourselves to our ultimate downfall.

*dies*
Who created god then?

Teara
April 13th, 2004, 04:41 PM
~Sempai - A Japanese word used to call people of higher class, a Japanese name of respect.

^^; The alien thing seems bogus, like I said, if they really did. They would probably want us as their slaves or sumthing, honestly. Or they'd kill us for going rotten ^^;
Ohhhhh! Okay! ^_^

I dunno Wing Zero, technecly, we define allienz az beingz from another place, uzually a myzteriouz one, and izn't that zorta the caze with God? A being different from uz from a myzteriouz place...that'z my idea.

Wing Zero
April 13th, 2004, 04:47 PM
well all the archalogical findings von daniken has link man kinds creation to the aliens...
also, what about this theory: we are all gods...just listen i know its bogus but wait it makes sense...many ask why god, the almighty creator and surpream being, kills perople, creates murderes, killers, and bad people...or diverse people for that matter...
it is because he created us as a sort of probe, using us to fill his never ending hunger of what the world is like, he wants to experience things in different ways, i mean if you were a almighty being you cant say you would reamin suffice from the beginign to end without conflict...no i doubt you can...so since we are his prbes then we are a part of him, thus making us all gods in our own ways...

the alien theory is more probable...also just look at all cultures mithology of legendary men or people...have you ever noticed how they are reffered to as beings wiht supernatural abilities, apearnces, etc. anyways, if you dont belive ANY of this then, like i said, there are always the archeological finding to support it...

Chairman Kaga
April 13th, 2004, 05:50 PM
Aliens? No...I just don't see that as the case. Just hearing such a theory already labels it as very, very, improbable, and something that I, personally, do not believe.

I am a Christian, and I believe in divine creation. The thing is, I find that it's ok to not take some things literally in the Bible. Some things are only for God to fully understand...understanding the universe is beyond our grasp as mere humans, and I realize that. For one thing, I have no idea whether the world was created in six literal days or not...to quote from the Bible, to God "a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day" ... time is not an issue when one is immortal. I'm sure God could have allowed epochs and ages to pass and would consider it a "day", but it would be an age to us. I just believe all things were set into motion by God. Also, some elements of evolution and creation can blend perfectly. Microevolution: adaptive changes in a species: are quite evident. Just look at bacteria, they're able to mutate and fight off antibiotics. But I personally do not believe in macroevolution, or the gradual change of one species into another.

I don't understand the misconception that people see God as human, just like the rest of us. He isn't human, He is a separate being. Jesus, the human third of the Trinity, was, indeed, human, but through God was able to do what he did. He did a human death, he returned to heaven, and as God in heaven again he resurrected himself on earth. Jesus was indeed human while he was on earth. God has never been human.

Why has God ever done violence? He has only done violence when it has been necessary to do so if his church on earth is in absolute danger of being irradicated. Thus, the great flood, Soddom and Gommorah, etc. In those instances, the church was on the verge of destruction and God had the need to reassert himself. Long, long ago he was in communication with some choice followers in the continued effort for humans to safely establish the church so that they may spread their faith.

Who created God? There was no creation, as I said the ways of the universe are too mysterious for us to grasp. We know nothing of anything that goes on in our universe although we'd like to claim that we know everything. This is faith, the action of believing in something without seeing it.

This should answer anyones' questions, but let me say this: this is a topic about a movie, but it has spiraled down into a theological debate, which like all theological debates, cannot be resolved between opposing parties. I would very much like to continue talking about The Passion of the Christ, not this. This debate can only get worse and continue to divide us when we need not be divided.

Also, this topic is not meant to offend anyone of any religion, belief, or lack thereof. I have tried to be polite and explain things as I see them in a manner that, in a very basic sense, answers questions that have now arisen in this topic. I have the power to clarify things so it is only fitting that I exercise that power.

~Chairman Kaga

22sa
April 14th, 2004, 12:11 AM
I dunno... I didn't pay much attention to you when I was watching the movie... I was either staring at my cup to stop myself from crying but not looking at the mvoie, or is crying o.o;

the fact that I was one of those freaks who was holding that cat-o-9tail... it's just sad and makes me want to cry... and everyone who did see the movie also participated playing the role as one of those soldiers who were torturing Christ. We all have sins, and Jesus wouldn't have to go through all those beatings if it isn't for these sins we have. We are the one who play the roles of those soldiers sending him up the cross... seeing that in action just how brutal it really is compare to just what's written in words is just very moving and astonishing.
lol, You shouldn't be paying attention to me during a movie anyway. =b I... really don't remember if I was crying or not but I guess I understand why most people would be. Christ died for us believers. That's really something to be joyful and thankful for, if you ask me, and not something to be sad about!

All those slashes on Him... that servant who made sure Jesus was dead on the cross, and those cruel out of control people were pretty sad though.

The movie was beautiful, at times, I'll not be more specific. Ohh, shoot it's so late now. =( I better go.

Jess
April 14th, 2004, 08:41 AM
heh.. I have heard the story of Jesus a zillion x a zillion x.x Every x-mas I here about the birth and Easter about the death.. And my church pounds it into ya mind every year x.x

Wing Zero
April 14th, 2004, 08:45 AM
Why has God ever done violence? He has only done violence when it has been necessary to do so if his church on earth is in absolute danger of being irradicated. Thus, the great flood, Soddom and Gommorah, etc. In those instances, the church was on the verge of destruction and God had the need to reassert himself. Long, long ago he was in communication with some choice followers in the continued effort for humans to safely establish the church so that they may spread their faith.

~Chairman Kaga
well then why does he create rapists? or murderers? or killers? or gangsters? or evil people that do arm to others? whatbout adolf hitler, why did god create him?
well my secondary theory listed could explain that right?

Jess
April 14th, 2004, 08:49 AM
heh... The cool thing is God knew that everything in the future would happen.He knew when ya were gonna wake up this morning. XD! And he knew Hitler was gonan be a stupid person..And that Saddam was gonna get captured, and that 9/11 was gonna happen x.x

Wing Zero
April 14th, 2004, 08:55 AM
then my question is, what kind of god whould allow that and for what reasons? why would he allow mass murders, killings, executions?
by the way i myself am a christian

Jess
April 14th, 2004, 08:56 AM
heh.. Im no Minister/Preacher/Pastor ...If ya is a Christian then ask ya Minister/Preacher person x.x

Wing Zero
April 14th, 2004, 08:58 AM
no im sending this question out to all who opposed me in this discussion...
ill repeat it why would god create killers, murderes, wars, plauge, death, adolf hitler, sadaam husane, osa bin laden, pearl harbour? why would he allow that?

Greed
April 14th, 2004, 09:41 AM
no im sending this question out to all who opposed me in this discussion...
ill repeat it why would god create killers, murderes, wars, plauge, death, adolf hitler, sadaam husane, osa bin laden, pearl harbour? why would he allow that?

God has not allowed it, the Enemy has gotten into their heads. God's intentions for all of us to be pure, unfourtunately, the Enemy wants to make us bad. And besides, that's why God gave us a conscience. To know from good or bad.

Who created god then?

That is a question that still remains unanswered in my head @@;

*dies*

Wing Zero
April 14th, 2004, 09:44 AM
God has not allowed it, the Enemy has gotten into their heads. God's intentions for all of us to be pure, unfourtunately, the Enemy wants to make us bad. And besides, that's why God gave us a conscience. To know from good or bad.

*dies*
you never answered my question...you just said something insane...
you admit that god is the ultimate power and creator of man, based on what you have previously said.
now when i ask you why he created these evil people you say the "enemy has gotten into their heads." that makes no sence considering god creted all man, including the enimy...so your just saying something thats didnt answer my question, as if your trying to evade it..

Greed
April 14th, 2004, 09:55 AM
you never answered my question...you just said something insane...
you admit that god is the ultimate power and creator of man, based on what you have previously said.
now when i ask you why he created these evil people you say the "enemy has gotten into their heads." that makes no sence considering god creted all man, including the enimy...so your just saying something thats didnt answer my question, as if your trying to evade it..
Hypocrite.. Yes, God created the enemy, but the enemy was an angel! He turned against the Good Dude, and decided to rule the world. God DID not allow bad guys, WE HAVE.. They have! God ain't some meanie who's gonna control their minds, those bad guys went bad cus they decided it! GET IT?! And don't call whatever I said insane, that's insulting my beliefs too.. --;;

*dies*

Wing Zero
April 14th, 2004, 09:57 AM
you said that god, the surpreim being knows out destiny and creates us knowing the outcome of the world...if that is the case then how could WE have created the enimy if god had destined it to happen this way?

Greed
April 14th, 2004, 09:58 AM
you said that god, the surpreim being knows out destiny and creates us knowing the outcome of the world...if that is the case then how could WE have created the enimy if god had destined it to happen this way?
I'll answer it when I get back, the school bell rang.I have to go, darn..

*dies*

katiobod
April 14th, 2004, 10:00 AM
you post mad fast wing. I'm in school right now so i can't stay long

Wing Zero
April 14th, 2004, 10:02 AM
CaRtOON how come i have the feeling your trying to avoid me?
ps- your not the most hated girl on PC your one of the coolest ive met, with a brilliant mind, your the best to have a discussion with ~_^

Chairman Kaga
April 14th, 2004, 01:06 PM
Allow me to explain to the best of my understanding, Wing.

God originally had to intention of allowing things to happen on Earth, because in his original plan there would be no such thing as sin. But, the angel Lucifer desired God's power, and since he could not attain it, he managed to get a third of the angels of heaven to become separatists, and thus the angels fell and became demons, Lucifer became Satan. God had set an ultimate test up for Adam and Eve, one of faithfulness. The tree of knowledge was off limits in the Garden of Eden to man. Why was it off limits? For no reason except that God wanted to see if man would obey him, and there was no reason for man not to obey God until Eve was tempted by Satan in the form of a snake, and since man failed the test of faithfulness, sin was allowed in the world. Since God punished man by making him imperfect, he was now suceptible to the influence of evil. Only a perfect being, that being God, cannot be corrupted by Satanic influence. Why does God allow horrible things to happen on earth? He is a caring God (if he wasn't than we would either have been destroyed long ago or we would be slaves) but also one of justice, and man is being made to go through these horrors for the first disobedience. We did not create the evil which is destroying us, and neither did God. Also, there is no destiny. God knows which choices we will make, but we make our own choices, not influenced by him (unless we ask for guidance, where He can give us ideas which may change our entire future.) So, this is why we go through what we go through...this is merely justice for our disobediance.

~Chairman Kaga

Wing Zero
April 14th, 2004, 01:09 PM
fine but god created us knowing our deastiny if they were destined to diobey then he knew they would...
also, is it just me that thinks its sadistic or ludacrist that just for one set of peoples doings we are all condemned to eternal suffering through god just for having adam and eve disobey?

Chairman Kaga
April 14th, 2004, 01:17 PM
Those faithful are only condemned to suffering on earth. Remember that heaven place, eh? God Himself does not inflict suffering on us. We are left to our own devices, and whatever happens happens.

Wing Zero
April 14th, 2004, 01:18 PM
then what about destiny...doesnt it say that we are predestined before we come to earth?

Chairman Kaga
April 14th, 2004, 01:26 PM
Only the Puritans, a now-extinct division of Christianity, believed in predestination...all the rest of us these days believe that we make our own choices in life.

Greed
April 14th, 2004, 03:05 PM
CaRtOON how come i have the feeling your trying to avoid me?
ps- your not the most hated girl on PC your one of the coolest ive met, with a brilliant mind, your the best to have a discussion with ~_^
Dun worry, I ain't avoiding ya, I'm back. The school bell rang and I had to get to class, >__<;; And thanks for your comment, it made my day! ^-^ You're a pretty good debator too, they are really brain poppers. XD Anyways, about your question..

you said that god, the surpreim being knows out destiny and creates us knowing the outcome of the world...if that is the case then how could WE have created the enimy if god had destined it to happen this way?

Ah yes, about that.. errr... This is hard, hmmm.. Well, my Mum told me that since God has a good destiny for all of us. Only if we choose to follow it. By that, I guess it means that if we wanna become bad guys, our destiny will be bad. I guess it depends on what someone feels it determines their destiny. Be good, you'll have it good, be bad, you'll have it bad. ^^; That's the best answer I can give @@; I know, I know, my answers are not always good ^^;

Actually, these kinds of debates don't ever have an end. Maybe because we don't have answers, and when we do, more questions arise. Its confusing, darn it! >_<

*dies*

Wing Zero
April 14th, 2004, 03:07 PM
but we agreed at one point that are destiny is pre set...see thats why i dont belive destiny is preset, even though im a christian doesnt mean i follow the book by ALL the rules... theres a little atehist in me....*doges bible*... plz dont kill me, theres method to my madness...

Dizzy
April 14th, 2004, 03:13 PM
I'm actually afraid of God @_@, I don't know why, but Since CapeVerdeans and Portuguese people have weird stories to tell about stuff lol They tell me stories about how God kills you if He dont like you and crap, but then they say that if you eat and take a bath later you'll die!

Greed
April 14th, 2004, 03:17 PM
but we agreed at one point that are destiny is pre set...see thats why i dont belive destiny is preset, even though im a christian doesnt mean i follow the book by ALL the rules... theres a little atehist in me....*doges bible*... plz dont kill me, theres method to my madness...

I don't follow the Book by all its rules. Heck, I'm not a good example of a Christian mehself =P I believe in God, but I just can't do all those rules. Too many restrictions.. Actually, I don't think I'll ever be a good Christian. The only reason I read the Bible or go to church is cus mah mum makes me do it >_<;

I'm actually afraid of God @_@, I don't know why, but Since CapeVerdeans and Portuguese people have weird stories to tell about stuff lol They tell me stories about how God kills you if He dont like you and crap, but then they say that if you eat and take a bath later you'll die!
I know how you feel. I have this terrible fear of going to H***. I thought everyone who died rested in peace, but the Bible says does who are bad, go down. Darn it! I done too many bad things, and the thing I was most looking forward to death was to rest in peace. How is that suppoused to happen if a H*** exists? X_x;;

*dies*

Chairman Kaga
April 14th, 2004, 05:11 PM
One of the biggest parts of Christianity is repenting and salvation...if you pledge your life to following the rules in the Bible to the best of your ability through the action of baptism, then as long as you try to do the right thing you need have no fear of ****. A lot of people know about the bad things and the scary things in Christianity, but there's also the good part, the repentence/salvation part.

Oh, and God does not strike people down these days. As I said before, He only did that long ago when there were individuals who were threats to the certain destruction of the church.

I'm so glad I'm able to give such accurate information ^_^

~Chairman Kaga

22sa
April 14th, 2004, 06:31 PM
I don't follow the Book by all its rules. Heck, I'm not a good example of a Christian mehself =P I believe in God, but I just can't do all those rules. Too many restrictions.. Actually, I don't think I'll ever be a good Christian. The only reason I read the Bible or go to church is cus mah mum makes me do it >_<;


I know how you feel. I have this terrible fear of going to H***. I thought everyone who died rested in peace, but the Bible says does who are bad, go down. Darn it! I done too many bad things, and the thing I was most looking forward to death was to rest in peace. How is that suppoused to happen if a H*** exists? X_x;;

*dies*
Well... bad can simply be spoiled good. Those who goto h*ll are those who are not ultamitely concerned, in other words..... without faith.

Greed
April 15th, 2004, 02:28 PM
One of the biggest parts of Christianity is repenting and salvation...if you pledge your life to following the rules in the Bible to the best of your ability through the action of baptism, then as long as you try to do the right thing you need have no fear of ****. A lot of people know about the bad things and the scary things in Christianity, but there's also the good part, the repentence/salvation part.


Well... bad can simply be spoiled good. Those who goto h*ll are those who are not ultamitely concerned, in other words..... without faith.

Well, I do feel bad for my sins (and they're very VERY bad..) but my mum says that ain't enough to go to heaven. My church also says very few people will go to heaven.. What are the chances of just anyone going there? ;-; But you two got pretty good points! ^_^

*dies*

Dizzy
April 15th, 2004, 02:35 PM
But the thing is everyone has a couple really bad sins.. So pretty much no one would go to heaven... I already know I'm not going to heaven but nothing good happens to me anyways, I only have like 3 years left of life.

Wing Zero
April 15th, 2004, 02:36 PM
sometimes i think religion is just a means of controll...they sut restricitions, which inderectly affect law, etc. they peobably chage the religious books to meet the deamnds of the current people...there is NO way the bible is the same as it was when it was first written...

Dizzy
April 15th, 2004, 02:38 PM
The Gaian Texts fortold Jesus' existance so it must be true :) Gaianism was an offshoot of Greek Paganism from many thousand years ago.. It was considered a cult though.

Greed
April 15th, 2004, 02:43 PM
But the thing is everyone has a couple really bad sins.. So pretty much no one would go to heaven... I already know I'm not going to heaven but nothing good happens to me anyways, I only have like 3 years left of life.


You do have a point. ^^ I dunno how many years of life I have left @@; But I have a hunch I'll be either killed by someone, or I'll blow mah brains out. XD Either of the two, but I think I'll most probably be killed by someone else =P

they peobably chage the religious books to meet the deamnds of the current people...there is NO way the bible is the same as it was when it was first written...

I think so too. The Bible is against homosexualism, NOW THAT I think is plain bogus. I think some stupid homophobe wrote that in. They do nuthin' to people, but yet, the Bible says they'll burn >__<;; The Bible most probably has some additional things added, that's for sure.

*dies*

Chairman Kaga
April 15th, 2004, 02:45 PM
Some churches believe that only the purest of the pure and most pious of the pious Christians will ever go to heaven, but I firmly believe they're wrong. In the Bible it says that one can enter the kingdom of heaven if they have "the faith of a mustard seed"...do you know how big a mustard seed is? A little bigger than this period >>> . Faith is faith, and all people have faults...I'm a Christian myself but very far from perfect. The plan for salvation, as I said, is simple. The act of baptism, symbolic of shedding off your old life and pledging your life to Christ, is all you need. Even if you have just the smallest amount of faith but hold that faith strongly and strive to follow the way, that's enough. Your dedication to your belief and the act of baptism is all you need.

~Chairman Kaga

Dizzy
April 15th, 2004, 02:46 PM
Actually that actually came from Sodomites and since Gays have Sodomite Sex.. There all considered Sodomites I guess.... But thats freekin stupid.. RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION.. The Church needs to be Reformed into the Church of Rome.. Aka Neo-Roman Catholocism

Dizzy
April 15th, 2004, 02:47 PM
Some churches believe that only the purest of the pure and most pious of the pious Christians will ever go to heaven, but I firmly believe they're wrong. In the Bible it says that one can enter the kingdom of heaven if they have "the faith of a mustard seed"...do you know how big a mustard seed is? A little bigger than this period >>> . Faith is faith, and all people have faults...I'm a Christian myself but very far from perfect. The plan for salvation, as I said, is simple. The act of baptism, symbolic of shedding off your old life and pledging your life to Christ, is all you need. Even if you have just the smallest amount of faith but hold that faith strongly and strive to follow the way, that's enough. Your dedication to your belief and the act of baptism is all you need.

~Chairman Kaga

Sorry for the Double post.

Uhh you would know you are related to Louis the Pious King of The Holy Roman Empire. THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE

Wing Zero
April 15th, 2004, 02:48 PM
ahhh look what i have created a discussion monster/monsters!
ok so now that weve had enough discussion, mabey we should get back to the MOVIE a bit more, and you know cut down on the beliefs...o well what do i care it was fun while it lasted!

Dizzy
April 15th, 2004, 02:50 PM
But the Movie is about spirituality, and I think everyone at PC needs to Discover Spirituality again....

Chairman Kaga
April 15th, 2004, 02:51 PM
I think so too. The Bible is against homosexualism, NOW THAT I think is plain bogus. I think some stupid homophobe wrote that in. They do nuthin' to people, but yet, the Bible says they'll burn >__<;; The Bible most probably has some additional things added, that's for sure.

*dies*

I hate to double post, but I have to add this in...

There's a difference between being against homosexuality because of your moral code and homophobia...homosexuality is simply against the moral code of the Bible. Nothing in the Bible teaches anyone to fear them or hate them...it tells us to treat all people equally. "Hate the sin, not the sinner." You can disagree with someone's actions and still get along with a person...I do it all the time. There are people who do things that I don't really agree with but I find them to be kind overall. The Bible hasn't had anything added to it since around 90 A.D. around there, and that was the book of Revelations. People have made sure to keep it the way it originally was, because it's such a huge responsibility to translate something like that perfectly. There's nothing in the Bible that has ever taught us to hate, but only to respect.

Greed
April 15th, 2004, 02:52 PM
Some churches believe that only the purest of the pure and most pious of the pious Christians will ever go to heaven, but I firmly believe they're wrong. In the Bible it says that one can enter the kingdom of heaven if they have "the faith of a mustard seed"...do you know how big a mustard seed is? A little bigger than this period >>> . Faith is faith, and all people have faults...I'm a Christian myself but very far from perfect. The plan for salvation, as I said, is simple. The act of baptism, symbolic of shedding off your old life and pledging your life to Christ, is all you need. Even if you have just the smallest amount of faith but hold that faith strongly and strive to follow the way, that's enough. Your dedication to your belief and the act of baptism is all you need.

How come although I feel petrified about the thought of H*ll, somehow you make H*ll seem less scary? ^^ You're so encouraging, now I don't feel so scared than I was before! ^.^

Actually that actually came from Sodomites and since Gays have Sodomite Sex.. There all considered Sodomites I guess.... But thats freekin stupid.. RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION.. The Church needs to be Reformed into the Church of Rome.. Aka Neo-Roman Catholocism

Yeah, that kinda ticks me off. What do gays do to hurt people? All they doin' is loving someone in their own preference. It ain't fair to make em look like such sinners. People who do worse are rapers, murderers, etc.

*dies*

Chairman Kaga
April 15th, 2004, 02:56 PM
I'm glad I can help your fears like that...all you need is faith and baptism, and then everything'll be a-ok ^_^

In my opinion, gays don't hurt people, but (and I'm not trying to sound callous) sin is sin...we could ask these same questions about liars, thieves, and all those people, but this subject comes up and is more controversial than other things *shrugs*

Wing Zero
April 15th, 2004, 02:57 PM
the only reason i dont like gay marrige is because of the influence they hold...
i mean one day theyre gonna want to have a kid, and they cant naturaly so they go and adopt one...and then they cant help but to influence them, or keep their secret for long, thus greatly impacting the child...

Greed
April 15th, 2004, 03:15 PM
the only reason i dont like gay marrige is because of the influence they hold...
i mean one day theyre gonna want to have a kid, and they cant naturaly so they go and adopt one...and then they cant help but to influence them, or keep their secret for long, thus greatly impacting the child...
But they'll adopt kids! ^^ That way so many unwanted children can go home to parents who'll love em. ^^

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Wing Zero
April 15th, 2004, 03:17 PM
yes i know that, but dont you think that their parents homosexuality will at all stun the child? just look at it in a psychological aspect...i would be shocked if my parents were homosexuals and i probably would then think it was okay to act like that and thus myslef be like them, and doesnt it spread aids =/

Greed
April 15th, 2004, 03:21 PM
yes i know that, but dont you think that their parents homosexuality will at all stun the child? just look at it in a psychological aspect...i would be shocked if my parents were homosexuals and i probably would then think it was okay to act like that and thus myslef be like them, and doesnt it spread aids =/
If I was a parent with a partner my same gender, I'd tell my kid to do whatever he/she wants. I don't think love has any restrictions. But gay porn really ticks me off.. That ain't love, that's just being dirty >_<;

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Wing Zero
April 15th, 2004, 03:22 PM
yea but i mean even if they said that id see my parents like that and automaticaly assume that it was an okay, if not the right way, to have a mate...pluse it spreads aids =/

Chairman Kaga
April 15th, 2004, 03:27 PM
We're getting a bit off-topic here >_<;; Let's just settle this now before it spirals downward like most debates of this nature do...sorry for saying this, I just don't want to see a good topic get messed up ^^;;

Wing Zero
April 15th, 2004, 03:29 PM
okay what ever you say, i feel that all there was to be expressed was expressed and, like relgion, will never be settled because its based on personal beleifs and morals, etc...anywas BACK ON TOPIC!

Jess
April 23rd, 2004, 04:53 PM
Okay I don`t think this movie is still in theaters..

Greed
April 24th, 2004, 10:44 AM
I'm not sure, I saw it on Tinseltown last saturday. O.o; Who knows? Maybe it went to the dollar theaters? ^^

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Scyther5
April 24th, 2004, 02:10 PM
Well, i just cant get worked up about seeing this. I dont really want to see Jesus die, but I think I need to see this movie.

Greed
April 24th, 2004, 05:34 PM
Well, i just cant get worked up about seeing this. I dont really want to see Jesus die, but I think I need to see this movie.
Its not about seeing him die, its about seeing how he suffered to forgive us. I know, I sound corny now =P But yeah, its not just about Jesus' death, but about what he was willing to go for all of us. I highly recommend it ^^

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22sa
April 25th, 2004, 09:52 AM
But the Movie is about spirituality, and I think everyone at PC needs to Discover Spirituality again....
It... is? I thought that was exactly what it lacked. :\ Ah well.

Jess
May 3rd, 2004, 04:35 PM
hm..when does it go to DVD & VHS?

Pokedragonfire
May 3rd, 2004, 06:02 PM
Hello all you christians, jews, whatever ya R I'm no religion. I'm nothing at all. Personally, I think there are good stuff and bad stuff about the religion. 1 is promoting a bad movie, plus wars sometimes are about religions and conversions (mostly a long time ago in christianity and jewish religions) and also not being open to new ideas like evolution, big bang, etc. The good thing is it really can help you with your problems, and can help you throught life. No, religion is NOT a bad thing, of course not. It has pros and cons like everything in the world. One of my best friends is a christian and helps at church a lot and is deeply religiosly involved. She wanted to see the R-rated movie, like it was her duty or something (she is in 7th grade). It is her duty to be sin free, not see a half true R-rated movie. This religion stuff is confusing, it promotes goodness, but ends up promoting some bad stuff too. Now I am so definity NOT trying to offend anyone okay. Like I was saying, my friend is like 100% religious. I mean, half the wars in history was over religion. It has pros and cons, that is all I'm saying. Really sorry, if I sound mean. Really sorry.

Chairman Kaga
May 4th, 2004, 06:06 PM
In the middle ages, Christianity went through a phase where they forgot some of the teachings of the bible...today we are actually very tolerant, and I, for one, regret the crusades and conquests and stake-burnings. The masses were uninformed on the truths of their own religion, and began to make up things. We are reformed now and regret any violence that our ancestors carried out. They had forgotten that the way to minister is through kindness, not violence. But that was then, this is now, and we're different. Some people still act like we're ignorant conquistadors still, though, which enrages me.

Might I add that not believing in some scientific theories does not make us bad. It is simply a choice of beliefs all people must make. I, personally, believe in adaptive evolution (changes within a single species to make it adapt to an environment), but not macroevolution...science and religion go very well together.

And about the "duty to see the movie" issue, I doubt people feel a duty to see it, but are strongly compelled. Your friend was very excited and desired to see the movie, and if she actually felt it was her duty then there's nothing wrong with that. This movie can only help peoples' lives, eh? And the R-rating doesn't make it bad. They couldn't make Jesus's suffering realistic and not get an R-rating, and people who have seen it know that the suffering was meant to touch, not disgust, people. They did what they had to.

I don't think you sound offensive at all, and have stated your opinion quite civilly, like most other people in this topic, and I'm glad it's stayed civil this long. Thanks for your input!

~Chairman Kaga

Pokedragonfire
May 5th, 2004, 03:44 AM
You can belive what you want but my friend thinks animals are made to serve humans. I don't really agree at all. That sounds like we are the most supeior and can kill animals whenever we want, not just for food but for sport. That is wrong to me. I don't like how people treat chickens for meat. They lock them in a cage that is smaller then they are and don't let them out. They give them lots of food and kill them. I think they should be nice and let them run around, let them live a good life, then kill them. That would be nicer to chickens, but still no eliminating eating them. Same with cows, except for the cages.

Chairman Kaga
May 5th, 2004, 11:28 AM
We can't fight the meat industry..sure it's brutal but I try to not think about it.

And on the record, I don't think we're supposed to be cruel to animals...we should take advantage of what they can do for us, but in a responsible way.

I still don't think that one thinking that humans are the masters of animals is extremeism though...but this has next to nothing to do with the topic at hand, now doesn't it?

Pokedragonfire
May 5th, 2004, 12:37 PM
It has to do with christianity. I like cows and chickens and I don't want them to die!!! I think animals are equal as human. So what if they don't think the same way we do, they still have feelings. My dog has feelings. Chickens and cows have feelings. So do all the animals. It is not fair to be mean to animals just because we are smarter or bigger. We are like big bullies who the animals are slaves.

Ryoutarou
May 5th, 2004, 12:38 PM
Ya but you have to think that as human we have to survive so we do have to kill it's something that we can not avoid. But the thing is that the killing must be kept in moderration and that pleasure may never come fromit.

Pokedragonfire
May 5th, 2004, 01:38 PM
No, actually we can all be vegitarians. We kill enough animals when we destroy their habitat. Why do we have to kill more? We build over where they were first, that is pretty mean and selfish. And why do we have to eat chickens? How about monkeys? Lizards? A crow? We can eat any animal, so why do we pick on chickens and cows?

Greed
May 5th, 2004, 01:51 PM
No, actually we can all be vegitarians. We kill enough animals when we destroy their habitat. Why do we have to kill more? We build over where they were first, that is pretty mean and selfish. And why do we have to eat chickens? How about monkeys? Lizards? A crow? We can eat any animal, so why do we pick on chickens and cows?
I think cruelty to animals is so unfair.. ;-; I mean, we humans, our lives are already messed up, there's no reason to mess up animal lives too. ;-;

Anyways, I heard Mel Gibson didn't like that people rated it R. And I agree, I mean the movie doesn't have $ex or anything..

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Chairman Kaga
May 5th, 2004, 02:04 PM
It has to do with christianity. I like cows and chickens and I don't want them to die!!! I think animals are equal as human. So what if they don't think the same way we do, they still have feelings. My dog has feelings. Chickens and cows have feelings. So do all the animals. It is not fair to be mean to animals just because we are smarter or bigger. We are like big bullies who the animals are slaves.

So you're saying Christianity = cruelty to animals? That's absurd! We have a world to feed here, and the poor starving children in Africa, for example, can't be picky about what they eat. If they can get their hands on a chicken or even a rat or a bird, it's going to give them life. As I said, I don't think it's right to pen up animals their whole lives, but it's a necessity. I doubt any of us builds or makes progress in the world with the intent of destroying animals...we're doing what we need to do, and that is the way of it. Animals are not our slaves, but we put them to good use. Sure I eat meat (and I have no regrets for doing so) but it's not like I go around kicking puppies and pulling the wings off of dragonflies.

This is a moot point. This has nothing to do with the motion picture we are supposed to be discussing in this topic, by the way. This is a tangent that's just going to erupt into a pointless debate over things two parties cannot agree on. I suggest we leave this where it is now and continue on the topic at hand.

Pokedragonfire
May 5th, 2004, 02:09 PM
Okay, okay. See what I mean about the offending? And no, I don't mean christianity=creulness to animals. I mean like, people kill the rain forest, people kill the desert with atomic bombs, people in GENRAL are crueal not just christians. And um sorry for sounding mean and sorry for being off topic.

Chairman Kaga
May 5th, 2004, 02:20 PM
No problem...misunderstandings tend to snowball like this >_<

Greed
May 5th, 2004, 02:24 PM
I heard that somewhere in the Bible it said fishes were meant to be food for humans. @@; Didn't Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden have all the animals to eat? Oo;

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Pokedragonfire
May 5th, 2004, 02:29 PM
Fishes can be food 4 sharks and bears and dolphins and orca and herons and a million more animals. Why does it say specifically people? I never read any of the bible, unless it was some quote in my social studies book.

Chairman Kaga
May 5th, 2004, 02:38 PM
More technically, we are stewards of the earth...in the Bible it says animals were provided to man...we are meant to coexist, but man does have some privileges over other creatures.

Greed
May 5th, 2004, 02:50 PM
More technically, we are stewards of the earth...in the Bible it says animals were provided to man...we are meant to coexist, but man does have some privileges over other creatures.

I have nothing against killing animals if they're hurting someone for no apparent reason.. O.O;; I just feel bad for them dying just to satisfy our needs, at least they'll go to heaven. ^^;

*Dies*

ryan
May 10th, 2004, 03:35 PM
cartoon, "Didn't Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden have all the animals to eat?" the bible says that some animals (eg. pigs and rabbits) are unclean and shouldn't be eaten (somewhere in genesis, i forget wear) but, it was a cool movie, and i love jesus! there should be a pokemon/bible combination club... maybe i should start it... 150 pokemon, 150 psalms... maybe it means something?! let's see... my favorite psalm is 34... that means... nidoking (in accordance with nationaldex) hmm... that's not so bad...

Greed
May 11th, 2004, 04:48 PM
cartoon, "Didn't Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden have all the animals to eat?" the bible says that some animals (eg. pigs and rabbits) are unclean and shouldn't be eaten (somewhere in genesis, i forget wear) but, it was a cool movie, and i love jesus! there should be a pokemon/bible combination club... maybe i should start it... 150 pokemon, 150 psalms... maybe it means something?! let's see... my favorite psalm is 34... that means... nidoking (in accordance with nationaldex) hmm... that's not so bad...
I heard in the Bible that drinking either human or animal blood is sin. =) At least animals are saved there ^^

I like your idea, if would attract so much people! ^.^

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ryan
May 11th, 2004, 05:03 PM
you mean the club? ya, i'm working on it... our logo's gonna be that little electric sheep dude. get it? huh huh? do ya?

Shelz4U
June 22nd, 2004, 05:22 AM
I heard in the Bible that drinking either human or animal blood is sin. =) At least animals are saved there ^^

I like your idea, if would attract so much people! ^.^

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People drink animal blood? O_O

John Denver
June 22nd, 2004, 06:15 AM
Shelz don't revive old topics...

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