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SubZer0
October 10th, 2005, 05:29 PM
Which Pokemon do you think is the most powerful overall?


I have the true listing of all of them and how they compare due to research done by Pokescience web sites but I would like to know everyones opinion about this.

Have fun thanx for voting. I will be putting the true listing of which is most powerful and in what order once there are enough votes. I asure you the final results which I will post will be quite accurate.

Zaikiro
October 10th, 2005, 05:44 PM
None of them are to be honest.

But I vote Kyogre.

Neko64
October 10th, 2005, 05:56 PM
I voted for Myuu <3<3

You all know cuteness pwns all XD X3

SubZer0
October 10th, 2005, 06:14 PM
Thanx for voting so far. Lets try to get some more. Just to let you know these choices are of of the top 15 list. I know allot of people have a deep connection with certain pokemon, but this info is based on statistics, performance, TM and HM compatability, and overall survival rate in battles. The information is based on true game studies done by mathematicians that have not much better to do. LOL. Im just interested in everyones opinion.

Thanx again.

Rukia
October 10th, 2005, 09:36 PM
I voted for Latios. I got a funny strategy with it that can beat almost everyone.
Latios @ Soul Dew:
Psychic
Recover
Calm Mind
Dragon Claw

Keep using calm mind till you're almost dead, then use recover, keep these attacks till your sp. atk and sp. def rose to maximum. Go for psychic/dragon claw.

Cybex Mewtwo
October 11th, 2005, 03:30 AM
I would say Celebi. With the time travel factor it can really put a hurting on other pokemon.....

Hinoshi-chan
October 11th, 2005, 03:33 AM
I dont know why im voting this, but rayquazza, cause it IS my strongest pokemon

--_-- though anything could beat it , even that stupid Raticate at lvl 37 ( my rayquazza was 100 )
O_O that was weird

Smarties-chan
October 11th, 2005, 03:40 AM
Well, none of those is the strongest pokemon because the strongest pokemon is dunsparce, but my vote goes for kyogre. All kyogre's stats (except attack) are imbalancedly high.

Eon-Rider
October 11th, 2005, 04:17 AM
I voted for Deoxys. I actually mean Attack Deoxys though.

Shiny Meganium
October 11th, 2005, 07:11 AM
I voted Lugia. It can learn strong moves like Aeroblast and has high stats.

The Angel of Darkness
October 11th, 2005, 07:33 AM
I voted Tyranitar. A good dual combo, and it can learn most of the powerful elemental moves. It also my fave pokemon as well, and a level 100 one is virtually unbeatable.

Dragonite Tamer
October 11th, 2005, 07:35 AM
I would say Lugia as well because it learns brilliant attacks and has great special stats

Charaxes
October 11th, 2005, 09:17 AM
Litmus test is always, who is left standing at the end of the battle.

Skipping Mewtwo because he's God anyway. Lugia is a strong defender and take a strong beating and strike back hard. Tyrantiar is strong enough to survive but not like a Legendary and thus withstand the abuse.

Groudon/Kyorge have abilites and moves to compensate and being so...just about Godlike, I'd say they'd be below Lugia.

But otherwise, the rest are strong but they're more "strikes first, wins". Ironic as defense can often win the game.

Wait, no Regis? I'd think they'd make the list in some capacity.

Otherwise, Lugia.

SubZer0
October 11th, 2005, 01:16 PM
Wow, awesome guys! Thanx for all the votes. I do respect everyones opinion, but dont forget I do have the top 15 list and these are deffinitely on top. Many experts agree. Rukia, awesome strategy! Props man props! Do not forget however an Ice type attack will ruin the day for Latios.

Cybex Mewtwo, I like your thinking, but remember that Celebi is a naturaly good pokemon so I highly doubt he will travel back in time to assasinate his enemies when they are still eggs Dr. Doom style. Celebi beleives in balance and a natural order that needs to be kept, much like Doc from "Back to the Future," or a Paladin character from D&D. It is true however Celebi is a powerhouse in battle but watch out for Fire and Ice type attacks because he is also a Grass type pokemon. Bug type moves like Twineedle and Pin Missile will seriousely hurt Celebi due to the fact he is Grass/Psychic. That means 4x the damage. :dead:

Dont worry Seto_girl, Raticate has a well known cheap strike attack known as Super Fang which automaticaly hits pokemon for 50% of their existing HP. Level 35 beating a level 100 I have never seen before though. Anything is possible.

Smarty_arty, I respect that you cherish your pokemon very much and thats comendable, but Dunsparse is nowhere near the top 15 unfortunately. The only thing Dunsparse has that is great is his HP which means it can take allot of punishment. His maximum HP is higher than Kyogre's maximum HP. However his maximum Attack, Special Attack, and Speed are rated professionally as mediocre to somewhat low. Max stat Kyogre has way more Attack than a max stat Dunsparse. A M-Stat Wigglytuff is faster than a M-Stat Dunsparse. M-Stat Muks have better Special Attack. Dunsparse have an extreemely low Deffence and Special Deffence. Clefables have a better Deffence. Luvdiscs have a better Special Deffence. Thanx for voting though, and these are facts by the way.

Coolmaster, thanx for voting. Deoxys was a pretty evil villan in the movie huh. Thanx Angel of Darkness, Tyranitar is a pretty tough customer, but thats not who I voted for. Hey he still made the top 15 though. Dragonite Tamer, Lugia is awesome and one of my favorites too. It still has to watch out for Electric, Ice, and Rock type attacks because it is a Flying type as well as Psychic. Don't forget most professional trainers employ lots of Ice, and Electric moves.

Same goes to you Dark Wheezing, however I like how you said Mewtwo is god. LOL. Everyone so far thanx allot for voting this poll means allot and so do your opinions :D

RyanGT
October 11th, 2005, 01:33 PM
Mewtwo, hands down..he's the best period. :P

jc_rcw
October 11th, 2005, 01:35 PM
Well I love lugia but mewtwo is the most powerful one.

Charaxes
October 11th, 2005, 01:45 PM
Same goes to you Dark Wheezing, however I like how you said Mewtwo is god. LOL. Everyone so far thanx allot for voting this poll means allot and so do your opinions :D

Well, I rather not give Mewtwo a mention because he's so cheap in his power but I would be remiss if I didn't acknowledge him in some capacity. Personally, he annoys me because he has few limitations, conversely Mew is a powerhouse but she isn't covered in the stats that Mewtwo has.

But yeah.

And sub zero, please space your paragraphs, I had an eyeache, squinting my eyes like that.

SubZer0
October 11th, 2005, 02:09 PM
Sorry Dark Wheezing. I'll Try to work on that. True Mewtwo is cheap and banned in most nonsanctioned tourneys, but I have been to competitions in Japan and if you dont have Mewtwo on your team, they call you a fool and laugh at you over there. Mewtwo is beatable but with the right strategy. My Tangela whooped a Mewtwo a few times.

Both of them were Max-Stat. Tangela had: Double Team, Toxic, Wrap, Swords Dance
Mewtwo had: Recover, Psychic, Metronome, Fire Blast

Mewtwo goes first: uses Fire Blast... Misses... Tangela goes: Double Team... Mewtwo goes: Fire Blast (Fire Blast has a low hit rate)... Misses... Tangela goes: D-Team... Mewtwo goes: Psychic... Misses... Tangela goes: Swords Dance... Mewtwo goes: Metronome... Mewtwo uses Clamp (HAHAHAHAHA Water type attack) Hits... Tangela (Laughing) goes: Toxic... Hits... Mewtwo goes: Psychic... Hits... Tangela has 50 HP left and goes: Wrap... Hits... Wraped for 5 turns... Mewtwo faints.

Toxic will kill anything in Maximum 7 turns prooven. Double Team is a life saver. Swords Danced Wrap still sux but the Toxic does the work for me. Yes guys Mewtwo is awesome thanx for voting.

Laser
October 11th, 2005, 03:29 PM
Mewtwo. Mewtwo was great in that first movie. My pick.

Zephyr+
October 12th, 2005, 05:53 PM
Plusle. XD

No, I seriously think Mew is. Okay, so its stats aren't phenomenal, but the ability to learn almost every move in every type with the stats to cover it is just ridiculous. Plus, it's a cute flying pink kitty.

Natsuki
October 12th, 2005, 05:59 PM
I think they're all relatively powerful in their own way -all Pokemon are, really. ^^; But if I had to pick, I'd go with Dragonite. >=3 It's so adorable yet so powerful too. =D *remembers her old Dragonite on her Silver version* <33

~Kelsey

Normal
October 12th, 2005, 06:34 PM
I voted Dragonite, although I believe that Snorlax, if he reached full potential..would DESTROY THEM ALL!

The Fallen
October 12th, 2005, 07:16 PM
They all have their strong points and weak points. Some are weak against others and some are not. Ho-oh has yet to be in a movie(not for long) so I'll go with him, since I haven't seen him battle. They are all good pokemon though.

~tang~
October 13th, 2005, 12:53 AM
Can you really pick a strongest pokemon? I think it would be unfair if nintendo made just one that could beat anything... I like the way they've done it.

But from experience... I'd say tyranitar is the hardest to topple

Houndour2005
October 13th, 2005, 02:15 AM
I have also voted for Mewtwo.

SubZer0
October 13th, 2005, 09:29 AM
Hi everyone. This poll is really coming out to be great thanx everyone for voting. Remmember if I say something that conflicts whith your opinion, its just me stating the facts. Im the type of person that always has to show the posative when all that people look at is the negative, and vice versa. Laser thanx for voting. Yes Mewtwo rocks.

ZephyrPlusle, Yes Mew is great but his stats are low. Yes of course Mew can learn any TM, but with that comparison you might as well compare Mew to Ditto. Im not saying Mew isnt awesome in a battle, it does pull its weight. Do not forget however even in the first Pokemon movie Mew did not defeat Mewtwo. Mewtwo was defeated by reason and the fact he did not realize that human and pokemon bonds are important. Mew could not defeat Mewtwo. Thanx for voting.

Typhlozion, hey there. Havent heard from ya in a while. Dragonite is by far one of my favorites too. Dragonite took the number one spot for physical Attack power back in the days of Red/Blue/Yellow. Dragonite best possible move to know is Hyper Beam which as we all know is devastating. Hyper Beam is only worth it though when a pokemon with good Attack uses it. Hyper Beams damage does not work off of Special Attack.Thanx for voting.

Normal, hey whats up. Thanx for voting. Yes Snorlax is quite a good candidate to take on any of the top 15. This is due to his high HP, Deffense, and Special Deffense. So Snorlax can can deffinitely take the pain better than most. Snorlax has a mediocre attack though. Forget Special Attack because its really really low. Never teach Snorlax elemental Attacks unless he has Amnesia. If you like Snorlax then you'll like Slaking.

Bobby, thanx for voting. Ho-Oh is an amazing pokemon, but I never understood why Nintedo came out with two Legendary Flying/Fire type pokemon. I would have made Ho-Oh a Dark/Flying legend, to be the opposite of Lugia. Watch out for those T-Bolts though.

~tang~, of course you can pick the strongest pokemon. That does not mean it is undefeatable. Like you see earlier in this thread I posted how my Tangela whooped a Mewtwo. I have seen a Houndoom rip right through Jirachi, I would choose my Beedrill to decimate Celebi. Anything is possible but statisticaly there is such a thing as the most powerful pokemon ever. This means the pokemon has the highest chances of any pokemon out there to win battles, and survive allot of punishment. Thanx for voting.

Houndour2005, thanx for voting. Now remmember everyone my criticizms are not ment to insult, but to inform, and help you. Its all good, but if you're comments are ridiculous, like as if you say Bellsprout is the most powerfull, I really wont know what to do. I'll either go on a rant, or have a heart attack from laughing. LoL im sure most of you would too. See ya later and keep the votes comming.

Mr.Mime
October 13th, 2005, 09:33 AM
I vote Lugia Aeroblast is an amazing move !!!

SubZer0
October 13th, 2005, 12:36 PM
Just to let everyone know I will be posting in a few days the actual list of which one is rated the best, and why. I will also post the sites that inspired this poll, and had the listing. Thanx for voting. Try to turn some of your friends on to vote here so we have more results. Thanx and have a great day.

Shining Lericon
October 13th, 2005, 04:30 PM
I pick Mewtwo, because of it's very strong Special Attack stat.

.::Tsunami::.
October 14th, 2005, 05:55 AM
none really but i choose tyranitar

SubZer0
October 17th, 2005, 02:36 PM
Hey guys results are in! In the P-Files website there is a ratings list constructed by reverse engineering the games. Note: This website did have Nintendo's permission to do a limited scan of data to help improove trainer tips. The ratings were based on comparing base stats and comparing average values of the pokemon to determine which ones are more valulable in a battle situation.

TM/HM compatability, equipment, training techniques, move tutors, stat variances, species abilities, and most importantly the chances of which pokemon species opponents would most likely use when battling each other are also variables that were tested to see which pokemon has the superior ratings.

The Pokemon Elite 2000 website's information concurs with the results, and so does Pokemon Palace Network. Here (http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/index.html) is the link to Pokemon Elite 2000, and the link for Pokemon Palace Network can be found on the top on your web page on this forum. I would like to thank Pokemon Elite 2000, as well as Pokemon Palace Network for their provided information that allowed this poll to take place. I greately thank the P-Files for rating, and listing the pokemon. Your info has greately contributed to my poll. Last but deffinitely not least, I would like to thank all of the Pokemon Community Forum members for voting and contributing to this poll. Now, lets get to the listings and descriptions!

SubZer0
October 17th, 2005, 05:11 PM
15) Tyranitar

Tyranitar comes in at number 15. Its brute power and good defense make it a tough opponent to topple. It has great HP and decent speed. Naturaly such a ferocious pokemon deserves to make the top 15. The new gneration move set that has made Tyranitar so famous is:

Tyranitar, Item: Leftovers, Nature: Adamant, Ability: Sand Stream,
EV's: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Moves: Dragon Dance, Earthquake, Rock Slide, Aerial Ace

14) Dragonite

Dragonite has come in at 14 no small part due to him being the father of all dragon types. (Figuratively speaking that is.) Dragonite has always been a big fan favorite due to his looks, charm, and dominant fighting style. Hard to catch and raise, this pokemon set the battling standard in Red/Blue/Yellow versions. Till this day he remains one to use caution against and let me show you why:

Dragonite: Item: Chesto Berry, Nature: Adamant, Ability: Inner Focus,
EV's: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Moves: Dragon Dance, Rest, Earthquake, Wing Attack/Brick Break

13) Latios

Latios comes in at 13 as a great masterpiece in the third generation of pokemon. Half Dragon and Half Psychic, he is one of the most dominant pokemon on the battlefield. Why? Well let's see shal we:

Latios: Items: Leftovers/Shell Bell/Soul Dew, Nature: Modest, Ability: Levitate, EV's: 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Moves: Dragon Claw, Psychic, Thunderbolt, Calm Mind

12) Latias

Now Latias comes in at 12 only due to the fact most people prefer Latias over Latios. This is not due to one being better than the other, but to her being favored by people more. They are equaly powerful and have the same moveset that instills fear into their opponents. It's just a matter of prefrence that brings Latias at 12, with the same description:

Latias: Items: Leftovers/Shell Bell/Soul Dew, Nature: Modest. Ability: Levitate, EV's: 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Moves: Dragon Claw, Psychic, Thunderbolt, Calm Mind

11) Deoxys

Deoxys, the terror of the pokemon universe has come in at 11. Deoxys is one of the most evil villans in the pokemon movie world, but also rates as one of the toughest, and cleverest battlefield combatants. Deoxys has two different trainer versions that are most feared:

Deoxys (1): Item: Leftovers, Nature: Calm, Ability: Pressure,
EV's: 252 HP, 129 Defense, 129 Special Defense
Moves: Calm Mind, Cosmic Power, Toxic, Rest

Deoxys (2): Items: Leftovers/Shell Bell, Nature: Modest, Ability: Pressure,
EV's: 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Moves: Calm Mind, Psychic, Seismic Toss, Thunderbolt/Ice Beam

10) Jirachi

Jirachi comes in at 10 ready and waiting to battle. This small, good natured pokemon is still one tough customer in the battle arena. Known as Jirachi, the Wishmaker, prooves his worth with this widowmaker set up:

Jirachi: Items: Leftovers/Shell Bell/Chesto Berry, Nature: Modest, Ability: Serene Grace, EV's: 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Moves: Psychic, Cosmic Power, Rest, Thunderbolt/Water Pulse

9) Celebi

The time travelin Celebi showes up on the list at 9. This spot is well earned due to his determination, and toughness. Celebi keeps the forests green, and the battlefield scared with these two movesets:

Celebi (1): Item: Leftovers, Nature: Impish, Ability: Natural Cure,
EV's: 252 HP, 129 Defense, 129 Special Defense
Moves: Ancient Power, Calm Mind, Giga Drain, Baton Pass

Celebi (2): Item: Leftovers, Nature: Impish, Ability: Natural Cure,
EV's: 252 HP, 129 Defense, 129 Special Defense
Moves: Giga Drain, Psychic, Leech Seed, Recover

8) Mew

Mew comes in at number 8, not just for being cute, but also being the most versatile, and knowleged TM user. Fabled to be the first pokemon ever in existance makes it one not to overlook. If you ever see one take the moment in. If you battle one prepare for one of the toughest battles you ever had, because of this:

Mew: Items: Leftovers/Petaya Berry, Nature: Modest, Ability: Synchronize, EV's: 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Moves: Calm Mind, Psychic, Thunderbolt, Softboiled

7) Groudon

Deep from beneath the earth comes Groudon at number 7. Probably dad to Rhydon... LOL... Groudon is a tough legend that controls the earth. He sure looks like you do not wish to meet in a dark alley, and here are the two reasons why:

Groudon (1): Items: Leftovers/Shell Bell, Nature: Docile, Ability: Drought,
EV's: 252 Speed, 129 Special Attack, 129 Attack
Moves: Solarbeam, Flamethrower, Earthquake, Rest/Brick Break/Ancient Power

Groudon (2): Items: Leftovers/Shell Bell, Nature: Adamant, Ability: Drought, EV's: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Moves: Bulk Up, Ancient Power, Earthquake, Slash/Brick Break/ Rest

6) Kyogre

In the deep blue sea lies the powerful number 6, Kyogre. He controls the oceans, and I deffinitely would love to have one of these on my team:

Kyogre: Item: Leftovers, Nature: Modest, Ability: Drizzle,
EV's: 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Moves: Surf, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Calm Mind

5) Slaking

Not legendary, not too rare, hard to train, and very lazy are just some of the phrases that describe Slaking. What makes Slaking number 5 is his defense, and massive attack. I think he's Snorlax's big brother. Why? Well:

Slaking (1): Item: Choice Band, Nature: Adamant, Ability: Truant,
EV's: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Moves: Hyper Beam, Shadow Ball, Earthquake, Brick Break

Slaking (2): Item: Leftovers, Nature: Careful, Ability: Truant,
EV's: 252 Defense, 252 Special Defense, 6 HP
Moves: Hyper Beam, Amnesia, Curse, Rest

4) Rayquaza

The long serpentlike dragon flying in the earth's ozone makes number 4. This is Rayquaza. Deadly, and crazy looking make it look fearsome, but its power makes it deadly. Let's have a look:

Rayquaza (1): Items: Leftovers/Shell Bell, Nature: Adamant, Ability: Air Lock, EV's: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Moves: Ancient Power, Aerial Ace, Dragon Dance, Extreemespeed/Earthquake

Rayquaza (2): Items: Leftovers/Shell Bell, Nature: Modest, Ability: Air Lock, EV's: 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Moves: Dragon Claw, Crunch, Flamethrower, Surf/Ice Beam/Thunderbolt

3) Ho-Oh

Ho-Oh to some peoples surprise hits number 3. Wow, it's statisticaly a behemoth. A sharp beak, and an attitude to match make it a devastating opponent. See for your self:

Ho-Oh: Item: Leftovers, Nature: Modest, Ability: Pressure,
EV's: 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Moves: Calm Mind, Sacred Fire, Thunderbolt, Psychic

2) Lugia

Oh yes guardian of the earth, defeater of Zapdos, Articuno, and Moltres, comes in at number 2. Lugia! Second most powerful pokemon in the pokeworld. I wonder what made it so fierce:

Lugia: Item: Leftovers, Nature: Modest, Ability: Pressure,
EV's: 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Moves: Calm Mind, Psychic, Ice Beam, Recover

1) Mewtwo

Finaly! At long last coming in at number 1 is Mewtwo, the genetic nightmare. Resurected from Mew's fossil, but not before altering and improoving his genetic material, Mewtwo arose. In the world of pokemon Mewtwo was able to turn off all other pokemon's special attacks and abilities. His presence strikes fear even into the most experianced trainer. Lets have a looksee at these two different versions:

Mewtwo (1): Item: Leftovers, Nature: Modest, Ability: Pressure,
EV's: 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Moves: Calm Mind, Psychic, Recover, Thunderbolt/Ice Beam/Flamethrower

Mewtwo (2): Item: Leftovers, Nature: Calm, Ability: Pressure,
EV's: 252 HP, 252 Speed, 6 Special Attack
Moves: Toxic, Barrier, Amnesia, Psychic/Recover

I would like to thank the Gamespy Psypoke website for these amazing movesets, which you can find here (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~psypoke/index.php) . I would also like to make a very special thanx to the P-Files website which inspired, and helped in the making of this poll. You can find the ratings list here (http://pokedex.kary.ca/rsrank.txt) just in case youre skeptical about the top 15 list. The P-Files website can be found here (http://pokedex.kary.ca/) . I would also like to make a very special thanks to you voters who helped me out with my pokemon poll. Remember though, I am qute sure there could be better movesets out there for the top 15 that were shown here today. These were the standard movesets that shocked pokefans with how powerful and efficient they were. If you think you have a better one kewl. Everything is open for disscussion. Thanx allot and see ya around.

.::Tsunami::.
October 17th, 2005, 07:29 PM
i like tyranitar he's cool^_^

Samurai X
October 18th, 2005, 05:39 PM
SubZer0: That was a cool....whatever you did.

I voted for Mewtwo, he can pretty much control everything and is powerful in the anime but he is equally strong in the game(s).

.::Tsunami::.
October 18th, 2005, 06:54 PM
Yay mew two is cool and strong i like him too

Recknin
October 19th, 2005, 01:30 PM
grudon defenetly just look at the size of it