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Misty Lover17
December 23rd, 2005, 11:56 AM
Well, I'm surprized no ones posted this here yet, but I found this at Serebii and Bulbagarden.

Originally Posted by PPN
Pokmon USA Moves Licensing In-House In 2006
4Kids Entertainment Inc., which licenses entertainment names and personalities aimed at children, on Friday said it would not renew its license to the Japanese cartoon character Pokemon once it expires at the end of this year. 4Kids Entertainment Inc.

Pokemon USA Inc., a subsidiary of Japan's Pokemon Co., will oversee all Pokemon licensing outside of Asia starting next year, 4Kids said in a statement. The decision to move the licensing activity in-house was a brand management decision, it added.

Full Press Release:
4Kids Entertainment To Transition Its Representation Of Pokmon

NEW YORK (December 23, 2005) - 4Kids Entertainment, Inc. (NYSE: KDE) and Pokmon USA, Inc., announced today that they have agreed not to renew the Pokmon representation agreement set to expire on December 31, 2005. Beginning in 2006, Pokmon USA, Inc.’s in-house licensing group will handle all Pokmon licensing outside of Asia.Pokemon USA

“We felt it was in the best interest of the Pokmon property for Pokmon USA, Inc., to assume all aspects of licensing,” said Akira Chiba, President of Pokmon USA, Inc. “This was a brand management decision. We would like to thank 4Kids for all of its great work over the last eight years in helping to establish Pokmon as one of the leading children’s brands in the world.”

“4Kids has had a successful eight-year exclusive relationship with the Pokmon property that will be expiring at year end,” said Alfred R. Kahn, Chairman and CEO of 4Kids Entertainment. “Over the next month, 4Kids will assist Pokmon USA, Inc., in its transition to in-house representation. We wish Pokmon USA much success going forward.”



Under the terms of the expiring Pokmon USA, Inc. - 4Kids representation agreement, 4Kids will continue to receive commissions for the next several years on payments made under existing Pokmon license agreements whose term expires after December 31, 2005. It is expected that commissions earned by 4Kids from the Pokmon property will decline over the course of the next several years. 4Kids will also continue next year to produce the current eighth season of Pokmon television episodes.

4Kids said it will still receive commissions over the next several years from existing Pokemon license deals that will expire after Dec. 31, 2005, but said commissions from Pokemon are expected to decline over the next several years.

Pokemon, first launched in Japan in 1996 on Nintendo's Game Boy video game console, was introduced in North America in 1998. The character has generated over $25 billion in worldwide retail sales, fueled by playing cards, a television show and other merchandise. 4Kids held the Pokemon license for eight years.

Sammi
December 23rd, 2005, 12:02 PM
...are you serious? <3
Please don't tell me this is some sort of sick joke ;_;

I hope they do better with the anime than 4kids. ^^~

Miss Reyna
December 23rd, 2005, 12:04 PM
So is this a good thing or a bad thing?

I mean. 4Kids don't really do much changing to the original Japanese verison except make bad pun titles and jokes. It not as bad as One Piece and other animes. What the difference? Then they said that 4Kids will still work with Pokemon USA on dubbing. Then what change will come to the anime? So not much change you ask me.

Hoshi-chan
December 23rd, 2005, 01:20 PM
Man, finally! I do hope for some VA changes, not all. Just James, mainly. -_-;

Hopefully they also stick more to the original version. >.>;;

*celebrates*

Syaoran-Kun
December 23rd, 2005, 02:10 PM
This is a Christmas miracle. =P

Maybe now we will actually get a more decent and better dub...and Onigiri that's actually onigiri. :P

Jeremy
December 23rd, 2005, 02:46 PM
Sweeties, you just pray, and pray, and pray, and when the day finnaly comes...you don't know what to say! *Tears of Joy.* This IS a Christmas Mircale! XD

Neko64
December 23rd, 2005, 03:21 PM
OMG I....I TOTALLY CAN'T AGREE MORE!! :'D *cries* Its so..so...so.......I can't even describe it X3

Mystic
December 23rd, 2005, 04:06 PM
This could be good news. I hope it does mean some good changes. But for some reason, James' voice has grown on me, lol.

Now we need to get someone better for One Piece too......

PokemonTrainerLisa
December 23rd, 2005, 04:52 PM
No, I carefully read this same article at Bulbagarden.

And guess what?

I think the only thing that Pokemon USA is getting is the liscensing of Pokemon.

They're not getting the production.

And I think that's a really good thing, because I wouldn't want them to get the production too, cause the 4Kids VAs do a great job doing their characters' voices and stuff. ^_^

Icelilly
December 23rd, 2005, 04:57 PM
I'm... speechless O_O; I never thought such thing would happen. But I'm hoping for a better dub!

Karasuma
December 23rd, 2005, 05:09 PM
Wait, does this mean that they may show some blood now since its not 4kids anymore? If thats the case then I gotta cry *cries tears of joy* What an awesome gift.

Hiroshi Sotomura
December 23rd, 2005, 05:12 PM
Hell no. 4Kids has control over dubbing still. Licensing and distribution is now Pokmon USA Inc.'s responsibility.

Miss Reyna
December 23rd, 2005, 05:36 PM
So is that what it means? Licensing and distribution? I mean if Pokemon USA gets the show I bet they keep the VAs.

Still what is the change? I mean the story plot will be the same anyways.

Can anybody explain what this means?

PokemonTrainerLisa
December 23rd, 2005, 05:45 PM
Reyna_de_la_fire, the liscensing has absolutely nothing to do with the anime.

It's just who gets to keep what properties and rights with Pokemon and stuff....

So, anyway, the production of the anime is sill with 4Kids, thankfully. ^_^

And I'm so glad that it is, because I couldn't handle any new people doing any of the main characters' voices (especially Ash's voice, I love his voice!).

Soul-Music
December 23rd, 2005, 06:02 PM
Reyna_de_la_fire, the liscensing has absolutely nothing to do with the anime.

It's just who gets to keep what properties and rights with Pokemon and stuff....

So, anyway, the production of the anime is sill with 4Kids, thankfully. ^_^

And I'm so glad that it is, because I couldn't handle any new people doing any of the main characters' voices (especially Ash's voice, I love his voice!).

I agree. i'm not quite sure what would be my reaction if that happened.

I don't know about the news, is it a good or bad news?

Ryoutarou
December 23rd, 2005, 06:23 PM
Reyna_de_la_fire, the liscensing has absolutely nothing to do with the anime.

It's just who gets to keep what properties and rights with Pokemon and stuff....

So, anyway, the production of the anime is sill with 4Kids, thankfully. ^_^

And I'm so glad that it is, because I couldn't handle any new people doing any of the main characters' voices (especially Ash's voice, I love his voice!).
Liscensing has almost everything to do with the anime. It says who gets the rights to dub it, but it won't be 4Kids. One of the show's voice actors has already confirmed that all the current cast will still continue dubbing, just with a different studio. Production wise, the anime is only with 4Kids until the end of this season. After that, 4Kids won't have anything to do with Pokemon.

Dubbing wise, 4Kids has an almost flawless script. They hardly 'dumb down' Pokemon as it was always like that. They do change some jokes, but often those are jokes meant for the Japanese and not one a native English speaker would understand, and of course there are some episodes that can't be shown due to content differences in Japanese and American children. Since the new script will be written by Nintendo, it'll be about the same, but chances are it will have a lot more jokes thrown into it since Nintendo does have a habbit of doing that.

Jack O'Neill
December 23rd, 2005, 06:25 PM
Hell no. 4Kids has control over dubbing still.
**** it all to hell, then. This "Christmas miracle" may ultimately prove to be hollow. Seriously. Bandai, Geneon, FUNimation, or the Ocean Group should be given control over dubbing. 4Kids has already done enough damage to Pokmon.

Strawberry Delcatty
December 23rd, 2005, 06:42 PM
Hell no. 4Kids has control over dubbing still. Licensing and distribution is now Pokmon USA Inc.'s responsibility.
What?

And I just posted the news to here (http://www.livejournal.com/community/4bastards/)!

The 4Kids boycott continues...

Miss Reyna
December 23rd, 2005, 06:46 PM
4Kids have done nothing to the dubbing of Pokemon except adding bad jokes and making horrible pun titles like "A Whalord of a Time"

I don't give a care who have dubbing rights as long as they still show the show. That all that matters to me. I just want to know what this dubbing rights thing has to do with the anime itself.

What does it matters if 4Kids gives up dubbing on Pokemon. They don't make that much changes to it. It is nothing compare to what they do to One Piece. I don't really care about dubbing anyways. As long as I able to watch my animes easy by TV then it is ok with me.

Ari-chan
December 23rd, 2005, 07:11 PM
Liscensing has almost everything to do with the anime. It says who gets the rights to dub it, but it won't be 4Kids. One of the show's voice actors has already confirmed that all the current cast will still continue dubbing, just with a different studio. Production wise, the anime is only with 4Kids until the end of this season. After that, 4Kids won't have anything to do with Pokemon.

Dubbing wise, 4Kids has an almost flawless script. They hardly 'dumb down' Pokemon as it was always like that. They do change some jokes, but often those are jokes meant for the Japanese and not one a native English speaker would understand, and of course there are some episodes that can't be shown due to content differences in Japanese and American children. Since the new script will be written by Nintendo, it'll be about the same, but chances are it will have a lot more jokes thrown into it since Nintendo does have a habbit of doing that.

Well then that sounds like good news to me. As long as the old voices are still there, I'm happy, and I'm all for more jokes. Though, now that 4kids wont in charge of Pokemon, maybe we can expect better DVD distribution too. I've never really been found of the DVDs 4Kids produce, so I'm kinda wondering how that'll turn out, either for better or for worse. Maybe we'll have less bad puns now too. Even though it wont be different entirly, since 4kids doesn't do much to the series now anyway, I'm hoping for alittle change, since its always nice to see how other do things.;)

PokemonTrainerLisa
December 23rd, 2005, 09:11 PM
For those of you who are still worried about the VAs, worry no more....

Here's a post (from Bulbagarden) that will probably make you feel better. ^_^

*copied and pasted from bmgf*

Water Pokemon Master:

I just talked to (a VA) and he said it's just the licensing of items. 4Kids used to handle the licensing when a company wanted to use Pokemon characters on a product, but now PUSA will. So, it really has nothing to do with the dub. It's just the company.
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So, there we go, he just spoke to the 4Kids VA, and he basically confirmed that the change with the liscensing won't affect the anime.

Sweet May
December 23rd, 2005, 10:24 PM
Well that's a relief. Some people thought that it also meant change in VAs. But glad it's cleared up.

But I could say that I'm glad that 4Kids isn't dubbing Pokemon. It's not about the titles they make, its the edits they put in the series to make it more "American" when it's only making the anime clueless. xP

Drew
December 24th, 2005, 02:59 PM
Well, if 4kids is still dubbing it, then that means that the voice actors won't be changing.... actually I'd prefer because I like the voices for the dub, mainly Veronica Taylor's voices.

Pogiforce-14
December 24th, 2005, 03:59 PM
People keep confusing me because they don't seem to have all their facts striaght, so let me put everyone on the same page by using a quote that seems to distinctly sum this all up. Liscensing has almost everything to do with the anime. It says who gets the rights to dub it, but it won't be 4Kids. One of the show's voice actors has already confirmed that all the current cast will still continue dubbing, just with a different studio. Production wise, the anime is only with 4Kids until the end of this season. After that, 4Kids won't have anything to do with Pokemon.

Dubbing wise, 4Kids has an almost flawless script. They hardly 'dumb down' Pokemon as it was always like that. They do change some jokes, but often those are jokes meant for the Japanese and not one a native English speaker would understand, and of course there are some episodes that can't be shown due to content differences in Japanese and American children. Since the new script will be written by Nintendo, it'll be about the same, but chances are it will have a lot more jokes thrown into it since Nintendo does have a habbit of doing that.

Kayota
December 24th, 2005, 04:21 PM
This is a Christmas miracle. =P

Maybe now we will actually get a more decent and better dub...and Onigiri that's actually onigiri. :P


XD When I got older and stopped watching pokemon and Mew_Akee explained to me what onigiri was I laughed at the idiots who made it doughnuts on Pokemon. I really thought they were doughnuts when I was little and I wondered wy they had no holes... ;_; XD

Kurosaki~Dragon
December 24th, 2005, 05:02 PM
At least 4kids won't be dubbing it anymore :/
alas if the same thing could have been done or will be done to the rockman.exe series ._.

opefully now the edits they make won't only be stupid non needed jokes ;.;

Drew
December 24th, 2005, 05:40 PM
I'm sure the new dubbing company will stay as close to the 4Kids version as humanly possible, and I also know that they'll probably keep the same voice actors, 4Kids and Funimation have alot of the same voice actors as well.

As for Rockman.EXE...yeah...that dub...I wouldn't call it BAD, it was just waaaay different then the Japanese. But just because something is different doesn't mean its horrible... x__x except for the god awful names changes... poor Blues...
Actually I'm awaiting the Stream dub. I'm watching Stream in Japanese right now.

Prince Kingdra
December 24th, 2005, 06:59 PM
I just hope that new owner can make an episode of Ash finally defeated by Team Rocket! :cool:

Miss Reyna
December 25th, 2005, 01:50 PM
4Kids has nothing to do with storywritting what so ever. It is the Japanese writers who decide who Ash beats and lose to. So Team Rocket defeating Ash have nothing to do with 4Kids. They just dub. I just want to say that to stop confusion like Kingdra just said.

Charaxes
December 25th, 2005, 02:17 PM
At least the dub will be fine. But I'm nervous with Nintendo's direct involvement in the dub now, particularly given their mismanagement of TCG. You'll excuse me if I be nervous.

4Kids hasn't promoted it as well, no, so I'm not opposed to the switch in the outright sense, just...given Nintendo's past track record, well, you can see it for yourself.

And for those who thought the dub would change and be happy for a new team dubbing things, well, shame on you.

BigCN401
December 25th, 2005, 08:51 PM
Would we expect the original score (music) in the series (instead of replacing them with crap) and movies in widescreen on DVD in the future? That's all I care. Current VA fine so I'm glad to see they're still using them.

Rukario
December 26th, 2005, 09:19 AM
No, I carefully read this same article at Bulbagarden.

And guess what?

I think the only thing that Pokemon USA is getting is the liscensing of Pokemon.

They're not getting the production.

And I think that's a really good thing, because I wouldn't want them to get the production too, cause the 4Kids VAs do a great job doing their characters' voices and stuff. ^_^
From recent discussions about this topic, we've learned that Pokemon USA will have full control over all licensed use of the Pokemon property. This will include overseeing the translations, games, anime etc.

Now about the anime; It will stay with 4Kids thru the eighth season (and the VA's aren't on contract at 4Kids, so they can be hired by PokeUSA) and then PokeUSA will take over running the dubation.. That DOESN'T mean that they will do it all themselves (in fact 4Kids may be 'contracted' to do it) but that they'll find a production co to do the acual work (at least I think so)

Since this is fairly new news, a lot of info is up in the air (and getting facts is quite hard due to the non-disclosure of the 4Kids contracts) so we'll just have to wait for official news briefs and see where this lead the Pokemon world.

Sikono
December 26th, 2005, 10:16 AM
Still, I can't beleive this! xD Its a miracle. People won't hide that they like pokemon because of all the wierdess in the dubbing 4Kids made. xD

Ryoutarou
December 26th, 2005, 12:29 PM
Would we expect the original score (music) in the series (instead of replacing them with crap) and movies in widescreen on DVD in the future? That's all I care. Current VA fine so I'm glad to see they're still using them.
I was under the impression that most of the music used in the current season was the original score.

Charaxes
December 27th, 2005, 10:05 AM
End of the seventh season, they were. But this current season, we've been getting First Dub Movie score but lately the second Dub and third Dub movies, which is good as we haven't heard them as much.

But the recent episodes, have been killing the second Dub movie score, just like they killed the first Dub movie one in the fifth season.

Hiroshi Sotomura
December 27th, 2005, 05:45 PM
According to Dogasu's Backpack (http://www.bulbagarden.net/~dogasu):
So you may have heard a few days ago the news (http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20051223005061&newsLang=en) about 4Kids passing on the rights of Pokemon to PUSA. There's been all this crazy speculation about what the press release means and the future of the dub, and I for one am sick of the amount of misinformation being spread around the Internet about it. So let me see if I can spell this out as clearly as possible:

THE DUB WILL NOT BE AFFECTED IN ANY WAY.

The only thing that's changing is the merchandising; from now on, PUSA will be getting all the profits from any Pokemon merchandise sold, not 4Kids. THAT'S IT. No VA changes, no changes in the show's translation, nothing. JUST THE MERCHANDISING. It's really crazy to see people who still believe that they're going to stop dubbing the show and that we'll be getting subbed DVD's all of a sudden. I think part of it has to do with the report on Anime News Network (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=8081) that supposedly "confirms" that 4Kids won't be dubbing the show anymore, but the line that everyone's been quoting (In addition, ANN has learned that 4Kids will not be producing or distributing the English language version of the next Pokemon TV series to be released in North America, Battle Frontier) doesn't prove jack squat. "ANN has learned"? From whom? PUSA? 4Kids? A fansite? Pokemon message boards? People are so quick to believe Anime News Network just because it's Anime News Network that they ignore the fact that the article in question doesn't list any sources and is therefore not all that reliable. Sorry folks.

If there is any change, though, I predict that it'll be similar to the change that occurred when Miramax took over the movie rights from Warner Brothers. Which really wasn't that big a change at all.

MAR Heaven
December 27th, 2005, 05:58 PM
No its not fair only the merchandising is being changed.... This is really dissapointing I guess there is no christmas miracle If its only the merchandising then nothing not even the VA will change a bit

Kurosaki~Dragon
December 28th, 2005, 12:52 PM
._.

oh well I guess there is nothing to do but continue dreaming... ><

Charaxes
December 28th, 2005, 01:24 PM
I'd say that would disprove EVERYTHING.

I'll leave this thread up for the rest of the day for lamenting but yeah, I don't want this to be a dub bash/whining fest.