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Chiru
January 9th, 2006, 06:49 PM
This is me thinking about stuff too much again, just so you know.

Has anyone ever wondered what type of government the Pokemon world has, or what sort of laws? We've seen officer Jenny and the occasional town mayor or something, but we've never heard anything about a president or king or emporer or anything. So, how do you think their world is run? For some reason, I used to think the gym leaders had some sort of political power. It doesn't seem realistic, but it's be pretty cool X3.

Yeah. Discuss.

jasonresno
January 9th, 2006, 07:18 PM
It's probably a democracy, there's probably a president

kohei
January 9th, 2006, 08:45 PM
I also think there is a president.

But, I also think there is a mayor in every major city as well.

But what I find strange is that the military force is only located in Vermillion, assuming Lt.Serge is part of it.

Hiroshi Sotomura
January 9th, 2006, 10:36 PM
Actually, it'd be notable that Lt. Surge is actually an American soldier.

kohei
January 9th, 2006, 10:37 PM
Actually, it'd be notable that Lt. Surge is actually an American soldier.But America doesn't seem to exist in the world of Pokemon.

Hiroshi Sotomura
January 9th, 2006, 11:59 PM
Blame the TV show's directors, the game text writers, and the dubbers for that. Even officially in the game, he is stated to be American.

phunboy
January 10th, 2006, 12:22 AM
I would suspect that the government in the world of Pokmon would be close to the kind you expect to find in and around Japan as much of the geography in the games are based on geography in and around Japan.

nick-xx
January 10th, 2006, 03:25 AM
You know problaby is a president but if has a king will be very interesting!

kohei
January 10th, 2006, 06:16 AM
I would suspect that the government in the world of Pokmon would be close to the kind you expect to find in and around Japan as much of the geography in the games are based on geography in and around Japan.Yup, you noticed it. The world of Pokemon is basically the map of Japan, but it's flipped around a bit, to look different.

You know problaby is a president but if has a king will be very interesting!That'll be very interesting. There might be people chanting, "ALL HAIL KING BLAHBLAH!" in the game O_0.

Eon-Rider
January 10th, 2006, 06:23 AM
>_> That text is so distracting...

I think the Gym Leaders are the leaders (duh) and the guardians of the towns they own a gym in...

Chairman Kaga
January 10th, 2006, 12:41 PM
There are all countries in the pokemon world: Beauty and the Beach's Japanese title is "Holiday at Acapulco", there are references to Las Vegas in the episode with Melvin the Magician; a reference to Paris in The School of Hard Knocks, infinite Japanese references and celebration of Japanese festivals (Boys' Day, for instance. Give me time and I can get the image of Brock in samurai armor and the traditional koi (koikingu in this case) flag), etc. Damien from Charmander, the Stray Pokemon was British; and there are many other people with European, Asian, Slavic, Indian, Hispanic, etc. accents who have cameo appearances throughout the show. Also let me take a page from John's book and invoke the Global Police here; a multinational (albeit incompetent) force created to destroy Team Rocket.

Amusing that I use all references from the first season; it's the one I remember the best.

As far as government; the land is in relative peace, so I would suspect a federalistic, democratic government.

Bocky
January 10th, 2006, 12:47 PM
For me, i think they'd have like, a Prime Minister or a Furher. I can just imagine Officer Jenny saying something like "The Prime Minister ordered us to..." or "The Furher wants us to..." i dont know, thats just me. but you guys are probably right in the whole president thing...

Alex The Great Master
January 10th, 2006, 02:05 PM
Don't forget Meowth lived in Hollywood for some time. There was a city mayor in one episode, and there were elections, so I'm assuming it's a democracy. However, the Pokemon World is divided into regions instead of countries. Lt.Surge is retired, I guess, and I don't think there is any military force because there are Pokemon trainers now.

Otter Mii-kun
January 10th, 2006, 02:58 PM
This might be a bit off-topic, but I belive that individual leagues like Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, etc. are each governed by their own voter-elected board of directors, usually consisting of several trustees, a secretary (appointed in some leagues), treasurer, vice president (appointed in some leagues), and a president. Many rules governing trainers, or gyms within a league are set by the league's Board of Directors.

-ottermi619-
Does it sound like a local school district's Board of Education?

Sunflorazumarill
January 10th, 2006, 03:08 PM
I better just give my two cents on my beliefs with the Pok骯n world government.

In the Pok骯n anime timeline, the government that exists is called the World Alliance. The World Alliance is run by a President, much like our country is (not a Bush, however). As for military, there is POCE (pronounced like "Pok馱), or the Peacekeeper Organization of Commanding Elites. POCE specializes in using armies of high-tech robots to protect the planet. Look for both or references of both in my Pok骯n fanfics.

Otter Mii-kun
January 10th, 2006, 03:18 PM
In the Pokmon anime timeline, the government that exists is called the World Federation. The World Federation is run by a President, much like our country is (not a Bush, however).
I once believed that it was a galactic empire similar to Star Wars, run by a tyrant who came to power by deception in the Old Republic.

Supreme Edgeboy Max
January 11th, 2006, 02:23 AM
Erm... Leagues anyone? The Pokemon Leagues where the champions rule. If seen in a trainer's view, they're the strongest trainers of the region. But if seen from other ways ..
"The Pokemon League governs all the trainers of the region"
.. can be applied to the people too. Since most crime and wars are done with the help of Pokemon, the League is all the people needs for government.

Lets believe the Pokemon world is completely in peace, except for a few random world domination plans by random evil teams that suck.

kohei
January 11th, 2006, 03:04 AM
Erm... Leagues anyone? The Pokemon Leagues where the champions rule. If seen in a trainer's view, they're the strongest trainers of the region. But if seen from other ways ..
"The Pokemon League governs all the trainers of the region"
.. can be applied to the people too. Since most crime and wars are done with the help of Pokemon, the League is all the people needs for government.

Lets believe the Pokemon world is completely in peace, except for a few random world domination plans by random evil teams that suck.Hmm, but to me, it sounds screwed up for the E4 to govern the whole country.

I think it's not a good idea to give both too much physical power and political power to a small group of people.

Supreme Edgeboy Max
January 11th, 2006, 03:18 AM
See there, that's where the last part of my post come in.

Lets believe the Pokemon world is completely in peace, except for a few random world domination plans by random evil teams that suck.Since there isn't anything too much going on, the E4 League .. ELITES .. can handle all that power. And besides, they're not going to actually go corrupt you know. 'Cause if they did, the millions of Pokemon trainers all around the world would simply rebel and put up new and less dictatorish people for the E4.

Deathspector
January 11th, 2006, 05:07 AM
I agree, but not in the same way. I do think that the League governs the country, but I don't believe that the League consists of only Elite Four members. They must be in control of all the Pokmon oriented stuff, but the Elite Four must have a boss, who is evidently the President/King/Prime Minister/ Anything else that I can't think of.

Anyone read Pokmon MASTER by Acey?

DS

Supreme Edgeboy Max
January 11th, 2006, 06:53 AM
League Champions anyone? The right amount of maturity and sense inside them is enough.
Lance, Wallace, Steven.

kohei
January 12th, 2006, 01:59 AM
League Champions anyone? The right amount of maturity and sense inside them is enough.
Lance, Wallace, Steven.Lance and Wallace seems to be able as a leader.
But I have problems with Steven because:

a) Steven seems to enjoy collecting stones more.

b) He seems to be exploring all the time.

poke lover
January 12th, 2006, 03:31 AM
I think the Pokemon world has a Prime minister, just like all other countries have. They are probably dremocratic.

Johto Boy
January 12th, 2006, 11:23 AM
I would think Gym Leaders would be something like governers. The Elite 4 members would be something like the Supreme Court. And the Elite 4 Champion(s) would be like the President.

Drifblim
January 12th, 2006, 06:38 PM
No, the Pokmon League wouldn't be any court or anything of the sort — they wouldn't even be the government.

A Pokmon government would be nothing more than a department in a national government. In the United States I can see a Department of Road Training which would set battling guidelines, possibly empowerment of the FDA to control supplements such as Protein, Iron, and Rare Candy, and clinical board as well.

kohei
January 13th, 2006, 01:44 AM
No, the Pokmon League wouldn't be any court or anything of the sort they wouldn't even be the government.

A Pokmon government would be nothing more than a department in a national government. In the United States I can see a Department of Road Training which would set battling guidelines, possibly empowerment of the FDA to control supplements such as Protein, Iron, and Rare Candy, and clinical board as well.It seems to me your theory makes the most sense, and most realism as well :)

I still wonder why the Pokemon Center can operate for free...
Wait, maybe taxes?

Corleone
January 13th, 2006, 09:09 PM
I'd say probably some kind of democracy. The game and anime both put a great deal of freedom and individualism into characters, which is something you see less of even in benevolent dictatorships. I just can't see people going off and wandering the entire country on a whim when they're barely out of gradeschool.

The league definitely isn't a government. It's an influential organization, and is probably overseen by a government agency and has a voice in government affairs, but it wouldn't work as an overall form of government. For starters, its structure is based on raw power, making it an ideal avenue for the rise of any number of tyrants, and it would change the context of Team Rocket substantially, as well, making them effectively a military force opposing the government and not some band of criminals trying to steal from kids out in the woods.

The league does have a potential use in government, though: They could be effectively used as a passive militia, to be called on during a crisis, natural disaster, or even civil defense.

There's one other form of government I haven't seen mentioned, and I think it could fit even better than democracy: A corporate state. There aren't very many corporations mentioned in the pokemon world, and it's said that both Sylph and Devon make a very wide variety of products. In the Kanto and Johto games, Sylph is credited with making virtually all pokemon-related products, and the same is said of Devon in Hoenn. With a slight stretch of the imagination, imagine these corporations making not just all of the pokemart products, but everything else too, basically controlling the entire economy of a region. That would easily explain how the pokecenters could be kept free, too. A corporate government hardly needs to tax the people - they already control their income and provide the goods they purchase.

This could also help to explain the huge tech gap the world shows. On one hand, you seem to have the bulk of the population living in conditions slightly less advanced than a typical American household today, but on the other hand, technology is clearly immensely advanced. The pokeball alone is beyond comprehension, and then there's things like digital storage of physical objects, teleportation, and occasional bits in the anime of highly advanced weapons and vehicles.

Supreme Edgeboy Max
January 14th, 2006, 12:20 AM
Silph and Devon are companies. Commercial companies that provide trainer-merchandise.

Well, talking about a post in the last page - STEVEN GOING AROUND WANDERING IS A GOOD THING. In a way its good, because well, that way they can do some of the peacekeeping, and if they spot any trouble they can immediately discuss with the other League members.
Anyone remember how Lance showed up in Mahogany Town to get rid of Team Rocket?

MegaLightBlaze
February 4th, 2006, 12:19 PM
I'd say probably some kind of democracy. The game and anime both put a great deal of freedom and individualism into characters, which is something you see less of even in benevolent dictatorships. I just can't see people going off and wandering the entire country on a whim when they're barely out of gradeschool.

The league definitely isn't a government. It's an influential organization, and is probably overseen by a government agency and has a voice in government affairs, but it wouldn't work as an overall form of government. For starters, its structure is based on raw power, making it an ideal avenue for the rise of any number of tyrants, and it would change the context of Team Rocket substantially, as well, making them effectively a military force opposing the government and not some band of criminals trying to steal from kids out in the woods.

The league does have a potential use in government, though: They could be effectively used as a passive militia, to be called on during a crisis, natural disaster, or even civil defense.

There's one other form of government I haven't seen mentioned, and I think it could fit even better than democracy: A corporate state. There aren't very many corporations mentioned in the pokemon world, and it's said that both Sylph and Devon make a very wide variety of products. In the Kanto and Johto games, Sylph is credited with making virtually all pokemon-related products, and the same is said of Devon in Hoenn. With a slight stretch of the imagination, imagine these corporations making not just all of the pokemart products, but everything else too, basically controlling the entire economy of a region. That would easily explain how the pokecenters could be kept free, too. A corporate government hardly needs to tax the people - they already control their income and provide the goods they purchase.

This could also help to explain the huge tech gap the world shows. On one hand, you seem to have the bulk of the population living in conditions slightly less advanced than a typical American household today, but on the other hand, technology is clearly immensely advanced. The pokeball alone is beyond comprehension, and then there's things like digital storage of physical objects, teleportation, and occasional bits in the anime of highly advanced weapons and vehicles.

No, the Pokmon League wouldn't be any court or anything of the sort they wouldn't even be the government.

A Pokmon government would be nothing more than a department in a national government. In the United States I can see a Department of Road Training which would set battling guidelines, possibly empowerment of the FDA to control supplements such as Protein, Iron, and Rare Candy, and clinical board as well.

I agree that it's probably one of these, especially the first one.
Deffinently somthing like the GLs and EFs being part of some type of military branch or National Militia.
Considering there is multiple schools shown, there is clearly some type of education system. My assumption would be that they would some how make it so not as many years of school would be neccisary, like combining some curriculums for different grades together. and have the last two years of highscool be optional. If you decide to stick arround and finish High School, you can take certain part-time courses to get you credits for different colleges. Then you get into college around the age of 16. Doing this would allow you to get Doctorate a by 24.

Chiru
February 4th, 2006, 05:37 PM
I think Corleone's theory makes the most sense so far. *applause*

Anyway, I think it's safe to say that the government is a more "free" one as opposed to something like a dictatorship.

I've been wondering about how in the games you have to have certain badges before you can use moves like cut, fly, etc. It's a possibility that that could be some sort of safety law to insure that trainers know how to handle their pokemon before they try to fly long distances on them. If that's the case, then the gym leaders would be at least somewhat influential in the government. However, that doesn't seem to exist in the anime, so my guess is that it's just something thrown in the game to make it more challenging.

Aegis
February 6th, 2006, 01:35 PM
I don't think your supposed to ask about it lol. But I guess everything is in the hands of officer Jenny {?}

RaikouRider243
February 8th, 2006, 07:56 AM
As far as possession of Pokmon in the first place, I would say there are different levels of trainer licensing. When you become of age (I would guess 12 or 13 years, and CERTAINLY not 10 years like in the games/anime), you can take a test to get a level 1 license. The wilder and/or more destructive a Pokmon is, the more authorization is required to legally own it. There probably would be six levels of licensing: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and M. It's sorta like there are different types of driver's licenses. You wouldn't want someone with a general license driving a semi. Same thing: you don't want a newbie trainer trying to command a Salamence.

Level 1 would contain weaker Pokmon and starter Pokmon, and Ditto. However, Ditto cannot maintain a transformed state of a higher-level Pokmon outside of battle unless the trainer has the necessary authorization.

Level 2 would contain weaker evolved forms and some Pokmon that are naturally stronger. The Eeveelutions fall into this category.

Level 3 would contain stronger evolutions and weaker second evolutions. Most fully-evolved starters go here, with the exception of Charizard. The initial forms of many Dragon-type Pokmon (Dratini, Bagon, etc.) are also here.

Level 4 would contain the more powerful fully-evolved Pokmon and second-level dragons (Dragonair, Shelgon, etc.) Flygon would also be in this level. All Pokmon captures and evolutions of this level and up must be filed with the government before using them. This is the level most "semi-serious" trainers get to.

Level 5 would contain only the most powerful Pokmon, such as fully-evolved dragons (Dragonite, Salamence, etc.) Metagross and Tyranitar also require this level of authorization to legally train. Very few Pokmon are in this category. This is the highest level most people can achieve, and boasts a difficult test to pass.

Level M is a special license granted to hunters of Legendary Pokmon. In the event that the hunted Pokmon is captured, it must be specially registered with the government, and behavior patterns of the legend and the trainer are closely monitored for 12 months. During this time period, there are many restrictions on what can be done.

This means that if, say, your Charmeleon evolved into Charizard, you could not use it at all until you held a level 4 trainer's license. Therefore, it would be wise to avoid evolving your Pokmon until you have the necessary authorization to use the evolved form.

People convicted of Pokmon-related felonies lose many of their Pokmon privileges for a time proportional to their license level. To regain their former status, they must take all the trainer tests again. For trainers level 4 or higher, they are never allowed to take a test of their former level or higher.

Level 1: 1 year
Level 2: 4 years
Level 3: 10 years
Level 4: 20 years
Level 5: 20 years to life (And possibly a prison sentence)
Level M: Life (And possible punishment by death or lengthy prison sentence)

People convicted of Pokmon-related misdemeanors also may suffer sentences, but no license revocation is mandatory until at least level 3. License revocation is still possible at lower levels and is at the discretion of the local agencies involved. Level 5 license holders committed of misdemeanors lose all privileges for one year and can only exercise level 4 privileges for five years thereafter. Level M license holders convicted lose all privileges for 18 months and can only exercise level 5 privileges for life.

So basically if you want to train a legendary, you better be pure. You are allowed no forgiveness at all. One mistake and your privileges are gone.

Geometric-sama
February 8th, 2006, 08:28 AM
I figure there's some kind of national regulatory body, much like those in sports, to make sure the rules of League are followed. Apart from that, it seems that local governments are the way to go.