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Aegis
February 4th, 2006, 08:11 AM
Why is Jynx considereed rascist? They haven'tt been airing episodes that have it in them, why?

Chiru
February 4th, 2006, 08:27 AM
I'm not sure. I thought it was because she looked like a prostitute or something.

This website I'm looking at now said it was banned because she looked to be a stereotype of (let's be politically correct) african american women. Apparently a group of people sent in a long persuasive essay to prove their point to the producers.

*sigh* Some people take things way too seriously. You can't even show Speedy Gozoles any more -_-

Charaxes
February 4th, 2006, 08:49 AM
Stupid website eating my answer.

About three weeks after the "Holiday Hi-Jynx" episode premiered on Kids' WB!, Carole B. Weatherford wrote her famous essay about how Rougela is a racist stereotype of African Americans. The fact that there are a bunch of Rougela employed as workers for Santa plus that the Pokdex describes it as "the human-shaped pokemon" certainly helped her argument.

Essay: http://www.bulbagarden.net/~dogasu/bashing/racist_jynx_01.html

Her skin has since been done in purple in the games but as far as the American end of things and 4Kids goes, she doesn't exist. Even going as far as banning one episode, editing a sequence in the first Hoenn Contest episode and not showing the next three episodes here just to avoid her.

I think she is a parody of the black face minstel look white performers used to do to look black and parody the race.

Yep.

~Amethyst_Callista_Moon~
February 4th, 2006, 09:01 AM
But they're gonna be showing Jynx in the Pacifidlog episodes. How come they didn't ban Jynx yet?

Charaxes
February 4th, 2006, 09:07 AM
I made a thread about the Pacificlog episodes in TV shows and Movies, but I think they can't do a deus ex machina and remove her because fans will be wondering..."where is she?"

She's kinda popular, probably annoys the American end that Japan still uses her and won't retire her plus the fanbase. That's my theory.

Dragonite Tamer
February 4th, 2006, 09:36 AM
I reckon it's stupid to get so worked up about something like that. To my knowledge nobody else has complained.

coachwhipneoship
February 4th, 2006, 01:08 PM
This website I'm looking at now said it was banned because she looked to be a stereotype of (let's be politically correct) african american women. Apparently a group of people sent in a long persuasive essay to prove their point to the producers.

*sigh* Some people take things way too seriously. You can't even show Speedy Gozoles any more -_-


Yeah, I agree with you. I think it gets kind of ridiculous. I see nothing insulting about Jynx.
x.x

Gokey Shuckle
February 4th, 2006, 03:19 PM
The Episodes were shown in the UK with Jynx in them. They also got the Donphan episode which was skipped in America along with both Pacifidlog Contest episodes.

Shiny_golem
February 4th, 2006, 03:23 PM
WHy was the Donphan episode skipped?

phunboy
February 4th, 2006, 04:13 PM
I reckon it's stupid to get so worked up about something like that.
Yes, to get mad over something so trivial is just that trivial.

Jynx looks was an amalgamation of varying things including the black face actors as well as opera singers as well as other stuff.

Complaining about Jynx would be like complaining about Mr. Mime and his portrayal of clowns and mimes and I think we all can agree to complain about that would be laughable at best.

Wolf_Goddess
February 4th, 2006, 08:44 PM
Oy Vey...this is getting way out of hand.

Really now, society today is getting a little...well, over dramatic.

I mean, with the holidays, they wanted to change the Christmas tree to the...Holiday tree. Merry Christmas into...Happy Holidays. Heck, I'm Jewish and I don't mind if people come up to me and say "Merry Christmas." I know their being polite, and I can just come around and say "Happy Chanukah." >.<

I don't know why, it's just bothering me that they're doing this to a TV show. Jynx is clearly not African American, and even if she resembles it...she does nothing that would put the African Americans to shame. To some she looks like a prostitute, but still...she does nothing of the sort. She's a Pokemon for goodness sake...

kohei
February 4th, 2006, 09:11 PM
Why is Jynx considereed rascist? They haven'tt been airing episodes that have it in them, why?Because of Carole Boston Weatherford. She is an African American writer who took offence to Jynx, calling her a negative stereotype of Afro-Americans.

More info here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carole_Boston_Weatherford) and here (http://hk.geocities.com/poke124mon282).

Btw, its funny how she tried to change the Darlie toothpaste's name here in Hong Kong.

Latios-Latias
February 5th, 2006, 05:37 AM
Also in the Hoen region episodes, they changed the colour of Jynx's skin to purple, because it was claimed to be racist.

Aegis
February 5th, 2006, 05:35 PM
Oh i see but that seems kinda [for lack of a better word] stupid (no offense to any1). So there NOT gonna show the Paciflog episodes?

DarkThunder
February 5th, 2006, 05:43 PM
Oh i see but that seems kinda [for lack of a better word] stupid (no offense to any1). So there NOT gonna show the Paciflog episodes?
They could decide to show it (which I doubt).
Still...I don't see anything offensive about the purple faced Jynx (or the black one).

Aegis
February 5th, 2006, 05:50 PM
I really hope the show it but your prolly right. I always thought that Jynx was okay. But i first noticed something wrong when someboyd at my books-a-million wouldnt let me play a Jynx with the original Black skin, then the annoncment on PPN

Cloud_boy
February 5th, 2006, 05:54 PM
Jynx's original design bore a striking, but possibly coincidental, resemblance to entertainers in blackface. A strong case can be made for Jynx being a parody of or homage to the Japanese Ganguro and Yamanba fashion trends, which were extremely popular when Pokmon was first released, but it can't be denied that blackface-influenced characters have appeared elsewhere in anime and manga - examples can be found near the beginning of Osamu Tezuka's early graphic novel, Metropolis.

As Pokmon became more popular in the US, this similarity to a particularly racist image from America's past offended some. In particular, it had offended children's book author Carole Boston Weatherford, who accused Jynx of being a racist stereotype in an article titled Politically Incorrect Pokmon in the magazine Black World Today, shortly after the anime episode Holiday Hi-Jynx aired.

In response to this controversy, in 2002, Nintendo changed Jynx's face from black to purple and its hands from blue to purple in Pokmon games, a change which would be reflected in the anime three years later in Advanced Generation.

That is what I know.

DarkThunder
February 5th, 2006, 06:09 PM
Jynx's images:
Before:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/Ani124.gif
After:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9d/124jynx.png
Notice anything offensive about any of the designs? In my opinion no.

DoubleWide
February 5th, 2006, 09:19 PM
*sigh* Some people take things way too seriously. You can't even show Speedy Gozoles any more -_-

Actually Boomerang has been showing several Speedy Gonzoles cartoons during The Acme Hour and various Looney Tunes shows.

Marc9334
February 7th, 2006, 02:14 PM
I suppose there is nothing offencive about jynx, I was not even aware they had banned her! The only little thing some parents may not like is jynx's erm.. bossom:P

Drifblim
February 7th, 2006, 08:27 PM
It's the extent people will go to in order to make a fuss. Jynx is just a Japanese character; there was no thought when it was released that it would seem to be a slap on black women.

kohei
February 8th, 2006, 01:02 AM
It's the extent people will go to in order to make a fuss. Jynx is just a Japanese character; there was no thought when it was released that it would seem to be a slap on black women.But yet, some people like Carole Boston Weatherford exist, and see some offence in Jynx... sad, sad world we live in...